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Praise | Praise - Shawn Bolz - January 6, 2022 | January 7, 2022
- [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT
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- - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON "PRAISE,"
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- ON "PRAISE," FROM LOS ANGELES,
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- FROM LOS ANGELES, AUTHOR, PRODUCER,
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- AUTHOR, PRODUCER, AND MINISTER...
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- AND MINISTER... SHAWN BOLZ.
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- SHAWN BOLZ. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] - ANNOUNCER: AND NOW
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- - ANNOUNCER: AND NOW BOBBY SCHULLER.
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- BOBBY SCHULLER. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] - BOBBY SCHULLER: WELCOME
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- - BOBBY SCHULLER: WELCOME TO "PRAISE,"
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- TO "PRAISE," COMING TO YOU ALL THE WAY
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- COMING TO YOU ALL THE WAY FROM LOS ANGELES.
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- FROM LOS ANGELES. I AM SO EXCITED TONIGHT TO
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- I AM SO EXCITED TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU, MY FRIEND,
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- TALK TO YOU, MY FRIEND, SHAWN BOLZ.
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- THERE ARE TIMES IN LIFE
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- THERE ARE TIMES IN LIFE WHERE ALL OF US,
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- WHERE ALL OF US, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE A PASTOR,
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- EVEN WHEN YOU'RE A PASTOR, YOU'RE JUST WONDERING,
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- YOU'RE JUST WONDERING, IN THAT DAY-TO-DAY ROTENESS
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- IN THAT DAY-TO-DAY ROTENESS OF LIFE, LIKE, "WHERE'S GOD?"
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- YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR
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- YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT AMAZING FEELING OF
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- THAT AMAZING FEELING OF THE SPIRIT THAT SOMETIMES
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- THE SPIRIT THAT SOMETIMES YOU GET IN A GREAT WORSHIP
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- YOU GET IN A GREAT WORSHIP SERVICE OR IN A TIME WHEN
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- SERVICE OR IN A TIME WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU JUST
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- YOU FEEL LIKE YOU JUST HEAR FROM GOD ON THE
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- HEAR FROM GOD ON THE MOUNTAINTOP, AND SOMETIMES,
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- MOUNTAINTOP, AND SOMETIMES, WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT VALLEY
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- WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT VALLEY SEASON,
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- SEASON, IT'S EASY TO FEEL LIKE GOD IS
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- IT'S EASY TO FEEL LIKE GOD IS FAR FROM YOU, OR MAYBE
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- FAR FROM YOU, OR MAYBE YOU'RE JUST LIKE,
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- YOU'RE JUST LIKE, "I DON'T EVEN KNOW
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- "I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I BELIEVE IN GOD,"
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- IF I BELIEVE IN GOD," OR YOU'RE LIKE,
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- OR YOU'RE LIKE, "I DON'T KNOW IF GOD'S
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- "I DON'T KNOW IF GOD'S HEARING MY PRAYERS,"
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- HEARING MY PRAYERS," OR IT'S LIKE SOME CONFUSING
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- OR IT'S LIKE SOME CONFUSING THING IN SCRIPTURE, OR,
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- THING IN SCRIPTURE, OR, MAYBE YOU HAVE A WEIRD,
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- MAYBE YOU HAVE A WEIRD, LIKE, A FRIEND THAT
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- LIKE, A FRIEND THAT TOLD YOU SOMETHING, AND
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- TOLD YOU SOMETHING, AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT
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- YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
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- TO DO WITH THAT. AND, JUST, SO OFTEN IN
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- AND, JUST, SO OFTEN IN LIFE, WE FIND OURSELVES IN
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- LIFE, WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PLACE WHERE WE'RE
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- THIS PLACE WHERE WE'RE JUST KIND OF, LIKE,
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- JUST KIND OF, LIKE, WONDERING WHERE GOD IS
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- WONDERING WHERE GOD IS TODAY ON A WEDNESDAY,
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- TODAY ON A WEDNESDAY, MONDAY, THURSDAY MORNING,
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- MONDAY, THURSDAY MORNING, YOU KNOW, WHEN LIFE IS
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- YOU KNOW, WHEN LIFE IS KIND OF BORING.
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- KIND OF BORING. IT'S, JUST, YOU'RE TRYIN'
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- IT'S, JUST, YOU'RE TRYIN' TO DRUM UP GOD, AND YOU'RE
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- TO DRUM UP GOD, AND YOU'RE LIKE, "WHERE IS HE?"
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- LIKE, "WHERE IS HE?" AND TODAY MY HOPE IS THAT,
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- AND TODAY MY HOPE IS THAT, IF YOU WATCH THIS WHOLE
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- IF YOU WATCH THIS WHOLE THING, YOU'RE GONNA LEARN
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- THING, YOU'RE GONNA LEARN SOMETHING NEW ABOUT HOW TO
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- SOMETHING NEW ABOUT HOW TO HEAR FROM AND RECEIVE FROM
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- HEAR FROM AND RECEIVE FROM GOD IN WHAT YOU WOULD
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- GOD IN WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK OF AS THE
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- NORMALLY THINK OF AS THE MOST BORING THINGS IN THE
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- MOST BORING THINGS IN THE WORLD OR SOMETIMES THE
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- WORLD OR SOMETIMES THE MOST EXCITING THINGS THAT
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- MOST EXCITING THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE NOT FROM GOD
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- YOU THINK ARE NOT FROM GOD OR SOME OF THE MOST
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- OR SOME OF THE MOST INTERESTING, ENTERTAINING
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- INTERESTING, ENTERTAINING THINGS THAT FEEL LIKE,
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- THINGS THAT FEEL LIKE, "WELL, THAT'S THE WORLD."
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- "WELL, THAT'S THE WORLD." AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT
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- AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY, AND SHAWN BOLZ
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- THAT TODAY, AND SHAWN BOLZ IS AN EXPERT IN THIS IDEA.
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- IS AN EXPERT IN THIS IDEA. SHAWN, IT'S SO GREAT TO BE
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- SHAWN, IT'S SO GREAT TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN, MAN.
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- WITH YOU AGAIN, MAN. THANK YOU.
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- THANK YOU. - SHAWN BOLZ: I LOVE OUR
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- - SHAWN BOLZ: I LOVE OUR CONVERSATIONS.
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- CONVERSATIONS. I LOVE HAVING THEM--
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- I LOVE HAVING THEM-- - BOBBY: I DO TOO.
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- - BOBBY: I DO TOO. - SHAWN: -- THESE TIMES.
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- - SHAWN: -- THESE TIMES. - BOBBY: WHEN WE TALK,
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- - BOBBY: WHEN WE TALK, WHEN I'M INTERVIEWING YOU,
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- WHEN I'M INTERVIEWING YOU, HONESTLY, I AM-- LIKE,
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- HONESTLY, I AM-- LIKE, EVEN TODAY, COMING HERE,
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- EVEN TODAY, COMING HERE, I WAS LIKE, "I CAN'T WAIT TO
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- I WAS LIKE, "I CAN'T WAIT TO TALK TO SHAWN ABOUT THIS
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- TALK TO SHAWN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT AND THESE THINGS I
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- SUBJECT AND THESE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE
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- WAS THINKING ABOUT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY
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- I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY INTERESTING YOUR
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- INTERESTING YOUR BACKGROUND IN, OF ALL THINGS,
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- BACKGROUND IN, OF ALL THINGS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
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- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT
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- VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT AND HOW YOU TALKED ABOUT,
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- AND HOW YOU TALKED ABOUT, LIKE, YOU USED TO BE,
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- LIKE, YOU USED TO BE, MODERATE VIDEO GAME SHOWS
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- MODERATE VIDEO GAME SHOWS AND STUFF AND THEN BEING
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- AND STUFF AND THEN BEING IN THE WORLD OF L.A.
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- IN THE WORLD OF L.A. AND ENTERTAINMENT AND
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- AND ENTERTAINMENT AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT
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- PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE
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- OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN POP CULTURE,
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- HAPPENING IN POP CULTURE, AND, YET THROUGH IT ALL,
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- AND, YET THROUGH IT ALL, GOD IS TEACHING YOU
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- GOD IS TEACHING YOU THINGS, AND YOU'RE NOT IN A--
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- THINGS, AND YOU'RE NOT IN A-- YOU'RE A PASTOR,
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- YOU'RE A PASTOR, BUT YOU'RE NOT IN A
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- BUT YOU'RE NOT IN A TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW,
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- TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY MORNING, PASTOR,
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- SUNDAY MORNING, PASTOR, PEWS, CHURCHES, AND
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- PEWS, CHURCHES, AND HYMNALS-TYPE OF
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- HYMNALS-TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
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- ENVIRONMENT. - SHAWN: YEAH.
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- - SHAWN: YEAH. - BOBBY: SO YOU REALLY
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- - BOBBY: SO YOU REALLY FELT LIKE GOD PUT THIS ON
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- FELT LIKE GOD PUT THIS ON YOUR HEART TO TALK TO THIS--
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- YOUR HEART TO TALK TO THIS-- TO OUR AUDIENCE TONIGHT
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- TO OUR AUDIENCE TONIGHT ABOUT HOW GOD IS IN
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- ABOUT HOW GOD IS IN EVERYDAY THINGS,
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- EVERYDAY THINGS, AND YOU USED THIS WORD,
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- AND YOU USED THIS WORD, "DUALISM."
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- "DUALISM." WHAT IS DUALISM?
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- WHAT IS DUALISM? - SHAWN: WELL, DUALISM IS
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- - SHAWN: WELL, DUALISM IS WHEN YOU THINK THAT
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- WHEN YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SPIRITUAL THINGS,
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- THERE'S SPIRITUAL THINGS, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE
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- AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS CARNAL OR WORLDLY,
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- SO YOU COULD ONLY
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- SO YOU COULD ONLY PARTICIPATE WITH THE
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- PARTICIPATE WITH THE CHRISTIAN MUSIC INDUSTRY,
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- CHRISTIAN MUSIC INDUSTRY, OR YOU CAN ONLY
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- OR YOU CAN ONLY PARTICIPATE WITH SOMETHING
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- PARTICIPATE WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS A SCRIPTURE ON
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- THAT HAS A SCRIPTURE ON IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF
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- IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CHRISTIANS WHO'VE FALLEN
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- CHRISTIANS WHO'VE FALLEN INTO THE TRAP OF DUALISM,
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- INTO THE TRAP OF DUALISM, NOT REALIZING THAT, WHEN
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- NOT REALIZING THAT, WHEN GOD CREATED THINGS IN THE
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- GOD CREATED THINGS IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WAS NO
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- BEGINNING, THERE WAS NO SCRIPTURE ON EVERYTHING.
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- IT WAS THE CREATION AROUND
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- IT WAS THE CREATION AROUND HIM SUNG HIS GLORY AND HIS
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- HIM SUNG HIS GLORY AND HIS PRAISE, AND SO MUCH OF
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- PRAISE, AND SO MUCH OF WHAT GOD DOES IS HIDDEN IN
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- WHAT GOD DOES IS HIDDEN IN CULTURE, AND WE DEMONIZE
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- CULTURE, AND WE DEMONIZE AND VILLAINIZE ALL OF
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- AND VILLAINIZE ALL OF CULTURE BECAUSE OF SOME OF
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- CULTURE BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE BAD EGGS OF CULTURE
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- THE BAD EGGS OF CULTURE VERSUS LOOKING AT THE ARTS.
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- VERSUS LOOKING AT THE ARTS. LIKE, ONE OF THE FIRST
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- LIKE, ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE WHO
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- PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE WHO WAS FILLED WITH GOD'S
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- WAS FILLED WITH GOD'S SPIRIT WAS BEZALEL, WHO
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- SPIRIT WAS BEZALEL, WHO WAS FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT
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- WAS FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO CREATE THE ARTS
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- OF GOD TO CREATE THE ARTS AND THE CREATIVITY THAT
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- AND THE CREATIVITY THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO REALLY
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- WOULD BE NEEDED TO REALLY SEE GOD FOR WHO HE IS.
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- SEE GOD FOR WHO HE IS. - BOBBY: SAY THAT AGAIN.
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- - BOBBY: SAY THAT AGAIN. SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH
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- SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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- WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS IN THE BIBLE?
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- THIS IS IN THE BIBLE? - SHAWN: THIS IS IN THE
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- - SHAWN: THIS IS IN THE BIBLE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
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- BIBLE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. BEZALEL IS THE FIRST
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- BEZALEL IS THE FIRST PERSON THAT GOD BREATHED ON.
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- PERSON THAT GOD BREATHED ON. NOW, REALIZE, GOD BREATHED
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- NOW, REALIZE, GOD BREATHED SEVERAL TIMES IN SCRIPTURE.
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- SEVERAL TIMES IN SCRIPTURE. HE BREATHED INTO ADAM, HE
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- HE BREATHED INTO ADAM, HE BREATHED INTO BEZALEL, HE
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- BREATHED INTO BEZALEL, HE BREATHED INTO THE
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- BREATHED INTO THE DISCIPLES, AND SO WE SEE
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- DISCIPLES, AND SO WE SEE THIS PICTURE OF GOD
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- THIS PICTURE OF GOD BREATHING HIS SPIRIT, AND
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- BREATHING HIS SPIRIT, AND THE FIRST TIME, AFTER
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- THE FIRST TIME, AFTER ADAM, WAS FOR AN ARTISAN,
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- ADAM, WAS FOR AN ARTISAN, AND THAT ARTISAN WAS TO
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- AND THAT ARTISAN WAS TO HELP BRING ABOUT THE
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- HELP BRING ABOUT THE REVELATION OF WHO GOD WAS
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- REVELATION OF WHO GOD WAS AND ALSO THE PLACE OF
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- AND ALSO THE PLACE OF WORSHIP, WHERE PEOPLE
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- WORSHIP, WHERE PEOPLE WOULD REALLY WORSHIP.
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- WOULD REALLY WORSHIP. - BOBBY: I'M SORRY.
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- - BOBBY: I'M SORRY. IT WAS BEZALEL--
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- IT WAS BEZALEL-- WHAT STORY IS THAT LOCATED
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- WHAT STORY IS THAT LOCATED IN INITIALLY?
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- IN INITIALLY? - SHAWN: SO HE'S IN EXODUS.
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- - SHAWN: SO HE'S IN EXODUS. I THINK IT'S 38, AND IT'S
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- I THINK IT'S 38, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT MOSES AND
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- ALL ABOUT MOSES AND BUILDING THE TABERNACLE
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- BUILDING THE TABERNACLE AND THE TEMPLE AND THE
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- AND THE TEMPLE AND THE ARTICLES.
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- ARTICLES. - BOBBY: OKAY, I THINK I
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- - BOBBY: OKAY, I THINK I REMEMBER THIS NOW.
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- REMEMBER THIS NOW. SO HE WAS-- SO GOD
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- SO HE WAS-- SO GOD BREATHED ON HIM AN
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- BREATHED ON HIM AN ARTISTRY TO CREATE A LOT
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- ARTISTRY TO CREATE A LOT OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS
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- OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT WERE--
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- THAT WERE-- - SHAWN: YEAH, IT SAYS THE
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- - SHAWN: YEAH, IT SAYS THE CRAFTSMANSHIP, ARTISTRY.
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- CRAFTSMANSHIP, ARTISTRY. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT
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- THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT
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- CAME OUT OF THAT INDWELLING OF THE
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- INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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- HOLY SPIRIT. - BOBBY: I KNOW THERE'S A
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- - BOBBY: I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF MILLENNIALS
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- NUMBER OF MILLENNIALS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LIKE
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- RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LIKE BEZALEL.
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- BEZALEL. - SHAWN: YEAH, LIKE,
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- - SHAWN: YEAH, LIKE, "THAT'S MY CHILD'S NAME."
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- "THAT'S MY CHILD'S NAME." - BOBBY: YEAH, "MY
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- - BOBBY: YEAH, "MY CHILD'S NAME."
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- CHILD'S NAME." [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] - SHAWN: BABY DEDICATIONS
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- - SHAWN: BABY DEDICATIONS WILL HAVE BEZALELS.
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- WILL HAVE BEZALELS. BUT, YEAH, THERE'S JUST
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- BUT, YEAH, THERE'S JUST THIS PRINCIPLE THAT SO
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- THIS PRINCIPLE THAT SO MUCH OF WHAT WE CAN
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- MUCH OF WHAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE WITH THAT WE
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- PARTICIPATE WITH THAT WE HAVE PERMISSION TO FROM
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- HAVE PERMISSION TO FROM GOD, WE DON'T TAKE AS
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- GOD, WE DON'T TAKE AS CHRISTIANS BECAUSE WE
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- CHRISTIANS BECAUSE WE DEMONIZE SO MANY THINGS
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- DEMONIZE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FROM GOD
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- THAT ARE ACTUALLY FROM GOD FIRST.
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- FIRST. - BOBBY: SO I ALREADY
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- - BOBBY: SO I ALREADY KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF
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- KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE
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- PEOPLE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LISTENING, THAT ALARMS ARE
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- LISTENING, THAT ALARMS ARE GOING OFF, RIGHT?
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- GOING OFF, RIGHT? WHEN I WAS HIGH SCHOOL,
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- WHEN I WAS HIGH SCHOOL, I HAD THIS VERY STRONG
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- I HAD THIS VERY STRONG CONVICTION THAT I WASN'T
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- CONVICTION THAT I WASN'T GONNA LISTEN TO ANY MUSIC
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- GONNA LISTEN TO ANY MUSIC EXCEPT FOR CHRISTIAN
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- EXCEPT FOR CHRISTIAN MUSIC, AND SO THIS WAS
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- MUSIC, AND SO THIS WAS AFTER I GOT SAVED, RIGHT?
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- AFTER I GOT SAVED, RIGHT? SO IT WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO
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- SO IT WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO YEARS IN MY LIFE BECAUSE,
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- YEARS IN MY LIFE BECAUSE, BEFORE THAT, MUSIC WAS--
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- BEFORE THAT, MUSIC WAS-- LIKE, A LOT OF MUSIC I
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- LIKE, A LOT OF MUSIC I LISTENED TO WAS-- I LOVED IT,
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- LISTENED TO WAS-- I LOVED IT, A LOT OF IT HAD, LIKE,
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- A LOT OF IT HAD, LIKE, DEFINITELY SOME OCCULT
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- DEFINITELY SOME OCCULT STUFF IN IT, A LOT OF
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- STUFF IN IT, A LOT OF LANGUAGE, A LOT OF, LIKE,
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- LANGUAGE, A LOT OF, LIKE, DRUGS AND THINGS, BUT I
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- DRUGS AND THINGS, BUT I JUST LOVED THE MUSIC.
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- JUST LOVED THE MUSIC. SO, FOR ME, I FELT LIKE--
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- SO, FOR ME, I FELT LIKE-- - SHAWN: "I DIDN'T
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- - SHAWN: "I DIDN'T LISTEN FOR THE LYRICS,
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- LISTEN FOR THE LYRICS, JUST THE BEAT," THAT'S
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- JUST THE BEAT," THAT'S WHAT MY KIDS WOULD SAY.
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- WHAT MY KIDS WOULD SAY. - BOBBY: I MEAN,
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- - BOBBY: I MEAN, HIP-HOP WAS BARELY
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- HIP-HOP WAS BARELY TAKIN' OFF.
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- TAKIN' OFF. THIS WAS IN THE '90s
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- THIS WAS IN THE '90s WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL,
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- WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT I REMEMBER, LIKE,
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- BUT I REMEMBER, LIKE, FEELING A SENSE OF,
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- FEELING A SENSE OF, LIKE, DEVOTION AND
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- LIKE, DEVOTION AND CLOSENESS TO GOD THAT I,
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- CLOSENESS TO GOD THAT I, SORT OF, MADE THE
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- SORT OF, MADE THE SACRIFICE TO HIM, AND I
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- SACRIFICE TO HIM, AND I LOOK BACK ON THOSE
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- LOOK BACK ON THOSE TIMES, AND I'M LIKE THERE
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- TIMES, AND I'M LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING MAYBE GOOD
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- WAS SOMETHING MAYBE GOOD MY HEART IN DOING THAT,
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- MY HEART IN DOING THAT, I THINK.
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- I THINK. I MEAN, I REMEMBER
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- I MEAN, I REMEMBER BREAKING ALL THE CDs AND
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- BREAKING ALL THE CDs AND STUFF, AND, YET I DON'T
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- STUFF, AND, YET I DON'T HAVE THAT RULE ANYMORE,
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- HAVE THAT RULE ANYMORE, AND, I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S
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- AND, I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
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- THE FIRST QUESTION. I KNOW A LOT OF CHRISTIANS
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- I KNOW A LOT OF CHRISTIANS WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT
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- WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST FEEL LIKE
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- NOW, THEY JUST FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO
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- THEY SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING BUT CHRISTIAN
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- ANYTHING BUT CHRISTIAN MUSIC OR WORSHIP MUSIC.
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- MUSIC OR WORSHIP MUSIC. - SHAWN: WELL, AND I
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- - SHAWN: WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD WHEN
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- THINK THAT'S GOOD WHEN YOU'RE LEARNING TO--
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- YOU'RE LEARNING TO-- MAYBE EVEN IMBALANCED,
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- MAYBE EVEN IMBALANCED, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
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- AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AS THERE'S A
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- DESCRIBING AS THERE'S A SEASON WHERE YOU IMBALANCE
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- SEASON WHERE YOU IMBALANCE YOURSELF WITH THINGS OF
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- YOURSELF WITH THINGS OF THE WORLD, AND SO YOU GOT
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- THE WORLD, AND SO YOU GOT ADDICTION OR A HABITUAL
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- ADDICTION OR A HABITUAL BEHAVIOR THAT'S TAKING YOU
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- BEHAVIOR THAT'S TAKING YOU AWAY FROM RELATIONSHIPS
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- AWAY FROM RELATIONSHIPS AND ESPECIALLY RELATIONSHIP
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- AND ESPECIALLY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, AND SO SOMETIMES
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- WITH GOD, AND SO SOMETIMES HE HAS YOU SET YOURSELF
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- HE HAS YOU SET YOURSELF APART FOR A SEASON, BUT
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- APART FOR A SEASON, BUT GOD MADE US TO BE BALANCED
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- GOD MADE US TO BE BALANCED PEOPLE SO WE CAN EXPRESS
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- PEOPLE SO WE CAN EXPRESS OURSELVES BETTER THROUGH
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- OURSELVES BETTER THROUGH BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE
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- BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE WITH GOOD THINGS THAT ARE
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- WITH GOOD THINGS THAT ARE ON THE EARTH, IN BALANCE,
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- ON THE EARTH, IN BALANCE, AND WE'RE A BETTER WITNESS
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- AND WE'RE A BETTER WITNESS THAN WHEN WE TOTALLY
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- THAN WHEN WE TOTALLY RESTRAIN FROM EVERYTHING
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- RESTRAIN FROM EVERYTHING AND GO, "IT MIGHT BE EVIL,
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- AND GO, "IT MIGHT BE EVIL, AND IT MIGHT SOAK INTO US
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- AND IT MIGHT SOAK INTO US SOMEHOW."
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- SOMEHOW." THAT'S WHY I THINK,
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- THAT'S WHY I THINK, FOR ME, PERSONALLY,
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- FOR ME, PERSONALLY, LIKE, I THINK OF ONE OF
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- LIKE, I THINK OF ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I'LL ASK
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- THE FIRST THINGS I'LL ASK PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY,
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- PEOPLE WHEN THEY SAY, "WELL, WHAT-- I DON'T KNOW
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- "WELL, WHAT-- I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC
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- IF I CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC AND HAVE A SPIRITUAL
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- AND HAVE A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE."
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- EXPERIENCE." I'M LIKE,
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- I'M LIKE, "DO YOU AND YOUR WIFE HAVE A
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- "DO YOU AND YOUR WIFE HAVE A SONG THAT YOU FELL IN LOVE
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- SONG THAT YOU FELL IN LOVE TO?"
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- TO?" "OH, YEAH."
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- "OH, YEAH." "WELL, IS THAT SPIRITUAL
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- "WELL, IS THAT SPIRITUAL OR NOT SPIRITUAL?"
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- OR NOT SPIRITUAL?" 'CAUSE THE FIRST
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- 'CAUSE THE FIRST COMMANDMENT IS "LOVE GOD
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- COMMANDMENT IS "LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART."
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- WITH ALL YOUR HEART." THE SECOND IS "LOVE YOUR
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- THE SECOND IS "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
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- NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." SO YOU'RE LEARNING HOW TO
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- SO YOU'RE LEARNING HOW TO LOVE THROUGH MUSIC THAT'S
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- LOVE THROUGH MUSIC THAT'S NOT DIRECTLY WORSHIP,
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- NOT DIRECTLY WORSHIP, BUT IT'S A MUSIC THAT HELPS YOU
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- BUT IT'S A MUSIC THAT HELPS YOU TO LEARN HOW TO LOVE AND HOW
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- TO LEARN HOW TO LOVE AND HOW TO EXPERIENCE THAT, AND,
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- TO EXPERIENCE THAT, AND, FOR ME, I MEAN, I NEEDED
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- FOR ME, I MEAN, I NEEDED LOVE SONGS.
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- LOVE SONGS. I NEEDED SONGS TO HELP ME
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- I NEEDED SONGS TO HELP ME TO FEEL WHAT I FELT WITH
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- TO FEEL WHAT I FELT WITH CHERIE, MY WIFE, AND IT
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- CHERIE, MY WIFE, AND IT HELPED ME TO EXPRESS
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- HELPED ME TO EXPRESS MYSELF AND TO EXPERIENCE
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- MYSELF AND TO EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE DEPTHS OF
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- SOME OF THE DEPTHS OF EMOTION, AND THAT WAS
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- EMOTION, AND THAT WAS SPIRITUAL TOO, BUT A LOT
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- SPIRITUAL TOO, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE LOOK AT
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- OF TIMES, PEOPLE LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND GO--
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- THESE THINGS AND GO-- BECAUSE THEY'LL LOOK AT
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- BECAUSE THEY'LL LOOK AT THE EXTREME FORM, AND
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- THE EXTREME FORM, AND THEY'LL SAY, "BECAUSE OF
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- THEY'LL SAY, "BECAUSE OF THAT, I CAN'T DO THIS,"
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- THAT, I CAN'T DO THIS," AND THEY DO IT ON EVERY
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- AND THEY DO IT ON EVERY GENRE WHETHER IT'S FOOD,
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- GENRE WHETHER IT'S FOOD, WHETHER IT'S MUSIC,
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- WHETHER IT'S MUSIC, WHETHER IT'S SPORTS.
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- WHETHER IT'S SPORTS. WE SEE THE IMBALANCE, AND
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- WE SEE THE IMBALANCE, AND WE REACT TO IT VERSUS
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- WE REACT TO IT VERSUS RESPONDING WITH PERMISSION
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- RESPONDING WITH PERMISSION THAT GOD'S A GOD, WHO'S
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- THAT GOD'S A GOD, WHO'S SAYING, "I WAS CREATOR FIRST.
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- SAYING, "I WAS CREATOR FIRST. THAT'S HOW I REVEALED
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- THAT'S HOW I REVEALED MYSELF, AND I WANT YOU TO
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- MYSELF, AND I WANT YOU TO ENGAGE IN CREATIVITY.
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- ENGAGE IN CREATIVITY. I'VE GIVEN YOU THE ABILITY
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- I'VE GIVEN YOU THE ABILITY TO REST DEEPLY THROUGH
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- TO REST DEEPLY THROUGH ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT,
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- ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, THROUGH SPORTS, THROUGH
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- THROUGH SPORTS, THROUGH VACATIONS IN THE BAHAMAS,"
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- VACATIONS IN THE BAHAMAS," WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO.
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- WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S
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- AND, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S THIS PLACE INSIDE OF US,
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- THIS PLACE INSIDE OF US, SOMETIMES, WHERE, EVEN AS
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- SOMETIMES, WHERE, EVEN AS A CHRISTIAN, WHEN WE SLOW
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- A CHRISTIAN, WHEN WE SLOW DOWN TO REST IN A
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- DOWN TO REST IN A VACATION, WE FEEL GUILTY
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- VACATION, WE FEEL GUILTY OR SHAMED BECAUSE WE FEEL
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- OR SHAMED BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING
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- LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING SPIRITUAL.
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- SOMETHING SPIRITUAL. NOW, AGAIN, EVERYTHING
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- NOW, AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT GOD PUT ON THE EARTH
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- THAT GOD PUT ON THE EARTH IS SPIRITUAL UNLESS IT'S
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- IS SPIRITUAL UNLESS IT'S CARNAL.
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- CARNAL. - BOBBY: OR IT'S TOO MUCH
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- - BOBBY: OR IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY.
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- MONEY. LIKE, A LOT OF TIMES, WHEN
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- LIKE, A LOT OF TIMES, WHEN PEOPLE SPEND MONEY ON
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- PEOPLE SPEND MONEY ON VACATIONS, THEY SAY-- OH,
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- VACATIONS, THEY SAY-- OH, THEY KIND OF ALMOST THINK
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- THEY KIND OF ALMOST THINK OF THE JUDAS WORDS,
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- OF THE JUDAS WORDS, "THIS COULD'VE BEEN USED
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- "THIS COULD'VE BEEN USED FOR THE POOR."
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- FOR THE POOR." AND, OBVIOUSLY, AS
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- AND, OBVIOUSLY, AS CHRISTIANS, WE HAVE A
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- CHRISTIANS, WE HAVE A HEART FOR THE POOR.
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- HEART FOR THE POOR. WE HAVE A HEART FOR
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- WE HAVE A HEART FOR ORPHANAGES,
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- ORPHANAGES, THAT IS A REALLY INTERESTING--
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- THAT IS A REALLY INTERESTING-- SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO
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- SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF,
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- CUT YOU OFF, BUT I KNOW THERE'S
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- BUT I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE AT HOME THAT THE
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- PEOPLE AT HOME THAT THE BIGGER THING IS GONNA BE
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- BIGGER THING IS GONNA BE THE MONEY.
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- THE MONEY. - SHAWN: THESE ARE ALL
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- - SHAWN: THESE ARE ALL THE REAL ARGUMENTS.
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- THE REAL ARGUMENTS. THEY'RE ALL THE REAL THINGS.
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- THEY'RE ALL THE REAL THINGS. THEY'RE LIKE, "BUT WHAT
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- THEY'RE LIKE, "BUT WHAT ABOUT--" YOU KNOW, LIKE,
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- ABOUT--" YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU'RE USING THAT HOBBY,
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- YOU'RE USING THAT HOBBY, AND YOU HAVE A HOBBY, AND
- 00:08:09.078 --> 00:08:09.545
- AND YOU HAVE A HOBBY, AND SO, THEREFORE, YOU'RE
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- SO, THEREFORE, YOU'RE USING MONEY AND TIME AND
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- USING MONEY AND TIME AND ENERGY IN THAT HOBBY, BUT
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- ENERGY IN THAT HOBBY, BUT WHAT WE DON'T REALIZE IS
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- WHAT WE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT, EVEN
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- THAT, EVEN PSYCHOLOGICALLY,
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- PSYCHOLOGICALLY, SPIRITUALLY, NATURALLY,
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- SPIRITUALLY, NATURALLY, WE'RE MADE WHERE WE GET
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- WE'RE MADE WHERE WE GET RESET TO REST.
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- RESET TO REST. WE REST PART OF OUR BRAIN
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- WE REST PART OF OUR BRAIN THAT'S OCCUPYING SO MUCH
- 00:08:20.089 --> 00:08:21.891
- THAT'S OCCUPYING SO MUCH STUFF OF WHERE WE HAVE
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- STUFF OF WHERE WE HAVE TO WORK, AND WE HAVE TO
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- TO WORK, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE DUTIES,
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- HAVE DUTIES, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL
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- AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS, AND IF WE'RE
- 00:08:26.429 --> 00:08:27.830
- THOSE THINGS, AND IF WE'RE JUST-- IF OUR IDENTITY IS
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- JUST-- IF OUR IDENTITY IS IN WHAT WE DO, AND THAT
- 00:08:28.464 --> 00:08:29.699
- IN WHAT WE DO, AND THAT BECOMES WHO WE ARE, AND WE
- 00:08:29.765 --> 00:08:30.633
- BECOMES WHO WE ARE, AND WE HAVE NO PLACE OF REST, WE
- 00:08:30.700 --> 00:08:31.734
- HAVE NO PLACE OF REST, WE HAVE NO PLACE OF REST BUT
- 00:08:31.801 --> 00:08:33.836
- HAVE NO PLACE OF REST BUT WE HAVE NO PLACE OF
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- WE HAVE NO PLACE OF ENJOYMENT IN WHAT WE'RE
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- ENJOYMENT IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IN THE NATURE OF
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- DOING AND IN THE NATURE OF WHO WE ARE, THEN WE'RE
- 00:08:36.172 --> 00:08:37.340
- WHO WE ARE, THEN WE'RE IMBALANCED, AND THAT'S
- 00:08:37.406 --> 00:08:38.040
- IMBALANCED, AND THAT'S WHAT SO MUCH OF CHRISTIANITY--
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- WHAT SO MUCH OF CHRISTIANITY-- WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE,
- 00:08:39.275 --> 00:08:39.775
- WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE, "WHAT ARE YOU--"
- 00:08:39.842 --> 00:08:40.910
- "WHAT ARE YOU--" "WHO ARE YOU IN GOD?"
- 00:08:40.977 --> 00:08:42.745
- "WHO ARE YOU IN GOD?" WE ASK EACH OTHER,
- 00:08:42.812 --> 00:08:44.313
- WE ASK EACH OTHER, "WHAT'S YOUR DESTINY?
- 00:08:44.380 --> 00:08:45.314
- "WHAT'S YOUR DESTINY? WHAT'S YOUR CALLING?"
- 00:08:45.381 --> 00:08:46.115
- WHAT'S YOUR CALLING?" AND THAT GIVES US VALUE,
- 00:08:46.182 --> 00:08:47.416
- AND THAT GIVES US VALUE, BUT THE REALITY IS WE
- 00:08:47.483 --> 00:08:48.351
- BUT THE REALITY IS WE CAN'T GIVE EACH OTHER ANY
- 00:08:48.417 --> 00:08:49.518
- CAN'T GIVE EACH OTHER ANY MORE VALUE THAN WE ARE
- 00:08:49.585 --> 00:08:50.419
- MORE VALUE THAN WE ARE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD,
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- SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD, AND IN THE MIDST OF BEING
- 00:08:51.454 --> 00:08:52.555
- AND IN THE MIDST OF BEING SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD,
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- SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD, WE GET TO DO THINGS WITH
- 00:08:53.556 --> 00:08:54.123
- WE GET TO DO THINGS WITH GOD, AND WE ALSO GET TO
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- GOD, AND WE ALSO GET TO REST ON THE SEVENTH DAY.
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- REST ON THE SEVENTH DAY. HE RESTED IN THE GLORY OF
- 00:08:57.393 --> 00:08:59.095
- HE RESTED IN THE GLORY OF HIS CREATION, AND SO,
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- HIS CREATION, AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF
- 00:09:00.596 --> 00:09:01.030
- AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN THEY LOOK AT
- 00:09:01.097 --> 00:09:02.698
- PEOPLE, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE WORLD, THEY LOOK AT
- 00:09:02.765 --> 00:09:03.232
- THE WORLD, THEY LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE WORLDLY
- 00:09:03.299 --> 00:09:04.100
- THINGS THAT ARE WORLDLY BECAUSE THAT TERM,
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- BECAUSE THAT TERM, "WORLD," AND ESPECIALLY
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- "WORLD," AND ESPECIALLY ENGLISH OR LATIN-BASED
- 00:09:06.302 --> 00:09:08.337
- ENGLISH OR LATIN-BASED LANGUAGES, WHEN PAUL USES
- 00:09:08.404 --> 00:09:11.240
- LANGUAGES, WHEN PAUL USES THE WORD FOR "CARNAL," A
- 00:09:11.307 --> 00:09:12.708
- THE WORD FOR "CARNAL," A LOT OF US HAVE INTERPRETED
- 00:09:12.775 --> 00:09:15.378
- LOT OF US HAVE INTERPRETED IT IN OUR SCRIPTURES OR
- 00:09:15.444 --> 00:09:15.911
- IT IN OUR SCRIPTURES OR OUR BIBLES AS "WORLDLY."
- 00:09:15.978 --> 00:09:16.946
- OUR BIBLES AS "WORLDLY." NOW, "WORLDLY" CAN BE BAD,
- 00:09:17.013 --> 00:09:17.980
- NOW, "WORLDLY" CAN BE BAD, AND "OF THIS WORLD" CAN
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- AND "OF THIS WORLD" CAN ALSO BE GOOD.
- 00:09:19.949 --> 00:09:21.450
- ALSO BE GOOD. LIKE, WHEN JOHN SAYS,
- 00:09:21.517 --> 00:09:22.351
- LIKE, WHEN JOHN SAYS, "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD,"
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- "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD," WHICH MEANS HE DIDN'T JUST
- 00:09:23.819 --> 00:09:24.854
- WHICH MEANS HE DIDN'T JUST LOVE HUMANS.
- 00:09:24.920 --> 00:09:25.688
- LOVE HUMANS. HE LOVED EVERYTHING HE
- 00:09:25.755 --> 00:09:26.455
- HE LOVED EVERYTHING HE CREATED, AND HE SENT JESUS
- 00:09:26.522 --> 00:09:28.357
- CREATED, AND HE SENT JESUS TO RESTORE IT ALL BACK
- 00:09:28.424 --> 00:09:28.858
- TO RESTORE IT ALL BACK INTO HIS ORIGINAL PLAN
- 00:09:28.924 --> 00:09:29.859
- INTO HIS ORIGINAL PLAN AGAIN, AND SO, AS
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- AGAIN, AND SO, AS CHRISTIANS, AS WE'RE
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- CHRISTIANS, AS WE'RE CREATING, THAT BECOMES
- 00:09:32.128 --> 00:09:33.896
- CREATING, THAT BECOMES WORSHIP EVEN IF WE'RE NOT
- 00:09:33.963 --> 00:09:35.498
- WORSHIP EVEN IF WE'RE NOT CREATING A WORSHIPFUL
- 00:09:35.564 --> 00:09:35.965
- CREATING A WORSHIPFUL THING.
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- THING. AS BUSINESSPERSONS, WE DO
- 00:09:37.633 --> 00:09:39.402
- AS BUSINESSPERSONS, WE DO OUR BUSINESS FOR GOD, WITH
- 00:09:39.468 --> 00:09:39.969
- OUR BUSINESS FOR GOD, WITH GOD.
- 00:09:40.036 --> 00:09:40.403
- GOD. IT BECOMES A PLACE OF
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- IT BECOMES A PLACE OF WORSHIP AND CONNECTEDNESS
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- WORSHIP AND CONNECTEDNESS TO GOD.
- 00:09:42.138 --> 00:09:42.638
- TO GOD. AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
- 00:09:42.705 --> 00:09:43.606
- AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LIFE DIFFERENTLY THAN
- 00:09:43.673 --> 00:09:44.807
- LIFE DIFFERENTLY THAN "THIS IS CARNAL,"
- 00:09:44.874 --> 00:09:45.675
- "THIS IS CARNAL," "THIS IS SECULAR,"
- 00:09:45.741 --> 00:09:46.575
- "THIS IS SECULAR," "THIS IS REALLY CHRISTIAN,
- 00:09:46.642 --> 00:09:47.943
- "THIS IS REALLY CHRISTIAN, SO THAT'S GOOD,"
- 00:09:48.010 --> 00:09:48.611
- SO THAT'S GOOD," BECAUSE, OTHERWISE,
- 00:09:48.678 --> 00:09:49.478
- BECAUSE, OTHERWISE, WE GET CONFUSED AND
- 00:09:49.545 --> 00:09:50.446
- WE GET CONFUSED AND DIVIDED, AND WE ACTUALLY
- 00:09:50.513 --> 00:09:51.814
- DIVIDED, AND WE ACTUALLY SEND MIXED MESSAGES TO THE
- 00:09:51.881 --> 00:09:52.415
- SEND MIXED MESSAGES TO THE PEOPLE AROUND US.
- 00:09:52.481 --> 00:09:53.916
- PEOPLE AROUND US. - BOBBY: YEAH, IT'S
- 00:09:53.983 --> 00:09:54.517
- - BOBBY: YEAH, IT'S REALLY HARD BECAUSE, I
- 00:09:54.583 --> 00:09:55.785
- REALLY HARD BECAUSE, I THINK, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU
- 00:09:55.851 --> 00:09:56.919
- THINK, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE A YOUNG CHRISTIAN OR A
- 00:09:56.986 --> 00:09:59.055
- ARE A YOUNG CHRISTIAN OR A SINCERE CHRISTIAN-- WHEN I
- 00:09:59.121 --> 00:10:00.556
- SINCERE CHRISTIAN-- WHEN I SAY, "YOUNG," I MEAN,
- 00:10:00.623 --> 00:10:01.190
- SAY, "YOUNG," I MEAN, "NEW TO THE FAITH"--
- 00:10:01.257 --> 00:10:02.725
- "NEW TO THE FAITH"-- YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE THAT
- 00:10:02.792 --> 00:10:03.693
- YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE THAT SOME MEDIA COULD COST YOU.
- 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.961
- SOME MEDIA COULD COST YOU. LIKE, I'M ALWAYS PREACHING
- 00:10:06.028 --> 00:10:06.529
- LIKE, I'M ALWAYS PREACHING TO MEDIA WHEN YOU'RE
- 00:10:06.595 --> 00:10:07.630
- TO MEDIA WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT-- SO I'M
- 00:10:07.697 --> 00:10:08.731
- TALKING ABOUT-- SO I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF
- 00:10:08.798 --> 00:10:09.732
- THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF MOVIES AND MUSIC.
- 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:11.133
- MOVIES AND MUSIC. THERE'S OTHER THINGS,
- 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:11.867
- THERE'S OTHER THINGS, OBVIOUSLY, TOO, TV SHOWS
- 00:10:11.934 --> 00:10:13.636
- OBVIOUSLY, TOO, TV SHOWS AND, SOME PEOPLE, EVEN, GAMES,
- 00:10:13.703 --> 00:10:16.639
- AND, SOME PEOPLE, EVEN, GAMES, VIDEO GAMES WE WERE
- 00:10:16.706 --> 00:10:17.973
- VIDEO GAMES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LOT,
- 00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:20.476
- TALKING ABOUT A LOT, BUT I THINK IT'S HARD
- 00:10:20.543 --> 00:10:22.078
- BUT I THINK IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE WANNA HAVE,
- 00:10:22.144 --> 00:10:22.545
- BECAUSE WE WANNA HAVE, LIKE, A CLEAR RULE.
- 00:10:22.611 --> 00:10:23.979
- LIKE, A CLEAR RULE. "WHAT'S THE RULE?
- 00:10:24.046 --> 00:10:24.413
- "WHAT'S THE RULE? DO I STOP-- CAN I LISTEN
- 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.414
- DO I STOP-- CAN I LISTEN TO MUSIC AS LONG AS IT
- 00:10:25.481 --> 00:10:26.882
- TO MUSIC AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CUSS OR DEFAME GOD?"
- 00:10:26.949 --> 00:10:28.050
- DOESN'T CUSS OR DEFAME GOD?" YOU KNOW, WE WANNA CREATE
- 00:10:28.117 --> 00:10:29.618
- YOU KNOW, WE WANNA CREATE THESE RULES, AND IT'S
- 00:10:29.685 --> 00:10:31.120
- THESE RULES, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS,
- 00:10:31.187 --> 00:10:32.354
- INTERESTING BECAUSE I WAS, LIKE, SPENDING A LOT OF
- 00:10:32.421 --> 00:10:33.989
- LIKE, SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THE SERMON ON THE
- 00:10:34.056 --> 00:10:35.725
- TIME ON THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT, AND YOU SEE JESUS,
- 00:10:35.791 --> 00:10:36.325
- MOUNT, AND YOU SEE JESUS, LIKE, PUSHING PEOPLE AWAY
- 00:10:36.392 --> 00:10:39.261
- LIKE, PUSHING PEOPLE AWAY FROM RULES AND SAYING,
- 00:10:39.328 --> 00:10:39.829
- FROM RULES AND SAYING, LIKE, "NO, NO, YOU'RE
- 00:10:39.895 --> 00:10:40.329
- LIKE, "NO, NO, YOU'RE THINKING--" I ALMOST FEEL
- 00:10:40.396 --> 00:10:41.197
- THINKING--" I ALMOST FEEL LIKE RULES ARE A LAZY WAY
- 00:10:41.263 --> 00:10:42.098
- LIKE RULES ARE A LAZY WAY OF THINKING.
- 00:10:42.164 --> 00:10:43.599
- OF THINKING. IT'S NOT-- GOD DOESN'T
- 00:10:43.666 --> 00:10:45.801
- IT'S NOT-- GOD DOESN'T WANNA GIVE YOU A NEW LIST
- 00:10:45.868 --> 00:10:47.036
- WANNA GIVE YOU A NEW LIST OF RULES.
- 00:10:47.103 --> 00:10:47.703
- OF RULES. HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU A NEW
- 00:10:47.770 --> 00:10:48.270
- HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU A NEW HEART.
- 00:10:48.337 --> 00:10:48.771
- HEART. - SHAWN: THAT'S SO GOOD.
- 00:10:48.838 --> 00:10:49.572
- - SHAWN: THAT'S SO GOOD. - BOBBY: RIGHT?
- 00:10:49.638 --> 00:10:50.005
- - BOBBY: RIGHT? HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU A NEW
- 00:10:50.072 --> 00:10:50.906
- HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU A NEW HEART.
- 00:10:50.973 --> 00:10:51.373
- HEART. - SHAWN: HE WANTS TO GIVE
- 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:51.941
- - SHAWN: HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU A RELATIONAL APPROACH,
- 00:10:52.007 --> 00:10:52.508
- YOU A RELATIONAL APPROACH, NOT A RULE-BASED
- 00:10:52.575 --> 00:10:53.109
- NOT A RULE-BASED APPROACH, AND THE WAY THAT
- 00:10:53.175 --> 00:10:53.642
- APPROACH, AND THE WAY THAT I EXPERIENCE ARTS AND
- 00:10:53.709 --> 00:10:55.144
- I EXPERIENCE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT IS DIFFERENT
- 00:10:55.211 --> 00:10:56.512
- ENTERTAINMENT IS DIFFERENT THAN FROM YOU.
- 00:10:56.579 --> 00:10:57.947
- THAN FROM YOU. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE
- 00:10:58.013 --> 00:10:59.081
- AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF MY FRIENDS, SHE CAME
- 00:10:59.148 --> 00:11:00.149
- OF MY FRIENDS, SHE CAME OUT OF WITCHCRAFT, SO WHEN
- 00:11:00.216 --> 00:11:00.716
- OUT OF WITCHCRAFT, SO WHEN SHE SAW "LORD OF THE
- 00:11:00.783 --> 00:11:01.317
- SHE SAW "LORD OF THE RINGS," IT FELT EVIL TO
- 00:11:01.383 --> 00:11:02.251
- RINGS," IT FELT EVIL TO HER, AND IT TRIGGERED HER
- 00:11:02.318 --> 00:11:03.085
- HER, AND IT TRIGGERED HER TRAUMA OF HER PAST LIFE.
- 00:11:03.152 --> 00:11:03.886
- TRAUMA OF HER PAST LIFE. WHEN I SAW "LORD OF THE
- 00:11:03.953 --> 00:11:04.386
- WHEN I SAW "LORD OF THE RINGS" WITH, YOU KNOW,
- 00:11:04.453 --> 00:11:05.621
- RINGS" WITH, YOU KNOW, J.R.R. TOLKIEN'S STORY
- 00:11:05.688 --> 00:11:07.723
- J.R.R. TOLKIEN'S STORY COME TO LIFE ON FILM WITH
- 00:11:07.790 --> 00:11:08.758
- COME TO LIFE ON FILM WITH THE INCREDIBLE FILM DESIGNERS
- 00:11:08.824 --> 00:11:09.391
- THE INCREDIBLE FILM DESIGNERS AND DEVELOPERS,
- 00:11:09.458 --> 00:11:10.126
- AND DEVELOPERS, I WAS SO EXCITED,
- 00:11:10.192 --> 00:11:12.294
- I WAS SO EXCITED, AND I HAD A GREAT
- 00:11:12.361 --> 00:11:12.695
- AND I HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
- 00:11:12.762 --> 00:11:13.896
- EXPERIENCE WITH IT. SO SHE-- HER STORY WAS--
- 00:11:13.963 --> 00:11:14.964
- SO SHE-- HER STORY WAS-- SHE PREACHED TO EVERYBODY
- 00:11:15.030 --> 00:11:16.165
- SHE PREACHED TO EVERYBODY 'CAUSE SHE'S A PREACHER--
- 00:11:16.232 --> 00:11:16.966
- 'CAUSE SHE'S A PREACHER-- THAT "LORD OF THE RINGS"
- 00:11:17.032 --> 00:11:17.800
- THAT "LORD OF THE RINGS" WAS EVIL, AND THEY
- 00:11:17.867 --> 00:11:18.267
- WAS EVIL, AND THEY SHOULDN'T BRING IT TO HER
- 00:11:18.334 --> 00:11:19.401
- SHOULDN'T BRING IT TO HER HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE SHE SAW
- 00:11:19.468 --> 00:11:20.903
- HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE SHE SAW DEMONS THAT WERE IN THE
- 00:11:20.970 --> 00:11:21.437
- DEMONS THAT WERE IN THE MOVIE THAT SHE SAW IN REAL
- 00:11:21.504 --> 00:11:22.238
- MOVIE THAT SHE SAW IN REAL LIFE, IN HER OPINION, AND
- 00:11:22.304 --> 00:11:23.139
- LIFE, IN HER OPINION, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER AND
- 00:11:23.205 --> 00:11:24.173
- WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER AND OVER, WHERE SOMEBODY HAS A
- 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:25.107
- OVER, WHERE SOMEBODY HAS A REALLY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
- 00:11:25.174 --> 00:11:26.208
- REALLY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF THEIR PAST
- 00:11:26.275 --> 00:11:27.610
- BECAUSE OF THEIR PAST TRAUMA AND BECAUSE OF WHAT
- 00:11:27.676 --> 00:11:28.811
- TRAUMA AND BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN THEMSELVES
- 00:11:28.878 --> 00:11:30.246
- THEY'VE GIVEN THEMSELVES TO OR WHAT WAS DONE TO
- 00:11:30.312 --> 00:11:31.981
- TO OR WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM, AND THEY PROJECT.
- 00:11:32.047 --> 00:11:33.716
- THEM, AND THEY PROJECT. LIKE, I'VE HAD FRIENDS WHO
- 00:11:33.783 --> 00:11:34.283
- LIKE, I'VE HAD FRIENDS WHO SAW CERTAIN TYPES OF WAR
- 00:11:34.350 --> 00:11:35.317
- SAW CERTAIN TYPES OF WAR MOVIES, AND BECAUSE THEY
- 00:11:35.384 --> 00:11:35.851
- MOVIES, AND BECAUSE THEY HAD A WAR BACKGROUND, THEY
- 00:11:35.918 --> 00:11:36.385
- HAD A WAR BACKGROUND, THEY COULDN'T WATCH IT.
- 00:11:36.452 --> 00:11:36.952
- COULDN'T WATCH IT. IT BECAME HARD FOR THEM,
- 00:11:37.019 --> 00:11:37.787
- IT BECAME HARD FOR THEM, AND SOME OF THE TIMES,
- 00:11:37.853 --> 00:11:38.487
- AND SOME OF THE TIMES, THEY WOULD DEMONIZE IT AND
- 00:11:38.554 --> 00:11:39.655
- THEY WOULD DEMONIZE IT AND SAY, "WELL, THAT MOVIE,
- 00:11:39.722 --> 00:11:40.422
- SAY, "WELL, THAT MOVIE, 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN,' WAS
- 00:11:40.489 --> 00:11:41.190
- 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN,' WAS EVIL."
- 00:11:41.257 --> 00:11:41.690
- EVIL." WELL, FOR SOME PEOPLE,
- 00:11:41.757 --> 00:11:42.525
- WELL, FOR SOME PEOPLE, LIKE ME, "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN"
- 00:11:42.591 --> 00:11:43.659
- LIKE ME, "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN" WAS LIKE IT MADE ME WANNA
- 00:11:43.726 --> 00:11:45.127
- WAS LIKE IT MADE ME WANNA BE A CHAMPION.
- 00:11:45.194 --> 00:11:45.995
- BE A CHAMPION. IT MADE ME WANNA SACRIFICE
- 00:11:46.061 --> 00:11:46.996
- IT MADE ME WANNA SACRIFICE MY LIFE FOR JESUS AND
- 00:11:47.062 --> 00:11:47.763
- MY LIFE FOR JESUS AND OTHERS.
- 00:11:47.830 --> 00:11:48.364
- OTHERS. AND SO WE HAVE A PERSONAL
- 00:11:48.430 --> 00:11:49.665
- AND SO WE HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP TO HOW THE
- 00:11:49.732 --> 00:11:50.733
- RELATIONSHIP TO HOW THE ARTS AFFECT US.
- 00:11:50.800 --> 00:11:51.667
- ARTS AFFECT US. FOR ME, END-TIME MOVIES,
- 00:11:51.734 --> 00:11:53.469
- FOR ME, END-TIME MOVIES, BECAUSE I WAS SHOWN SO
- 00:11:53.536 --> 00:11:54.203
- BECAUSE I WAS SHOWN SO MANY WHEN I WAS LITTLE,
- 00:11:54.270 --> 00:11:55.137
- MANY WHEN I WAS LITTLE, TRIGGERED ME FOR SO LONG
- 00:11:55.204 --> 00:11:56.138
- TRIGGERED ME FOR SO LONG THAT I HATED EVERY
- 00:11:56.205 --> 00:11:57.206
- THAT I HATED EVERY END-TIME MOVIE, AND I WAS
- 00:11:57.273 --> 00:11:58.574
- END-TIME MOVIE, AND I WAS MAD AT ANYBODY FOR MAKING
- 00:11:58.641 --> 00:11:59.141
- MAD AT ANYBODY FOR MAKING THEM FOR A LONG TIME.
- 00:11:59.208 --> 00:11:59.775
- THEM FOR A LONG TIME. I WAS IN MY 20s OR WHATEVER.
- 00:11:59.842 --> 00:12:01.243
- I WAS IN MY 20s OR WHATEVER. AND I HAVE OTHER FRIENDS
- 00:12:01.310 --> 00:12:02.945
- AND I HAVE OTHER FRIENDS WHO, LIKE, THEY GOT THE
- 00:12:03.012 --> 00:12:03.779
- WHO, LIKE, THEY GOT THE URGENCY TO FOLLOW JESUS
- 00:12:03.846 --> 00:12:05.447
- URGENCY TO FOLLOW JESUS BECAUSE OF SOME END-TIME
- 00:12:05.514 --> 00:12:06.715
- BECAUSE OF SOME END-TIME MOVIES, AND SO I THINK WE
- 00:12:06.782 --> 00:12:08.250
- MOVIES, AND SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE THIS PERSONAL
- 00:12:08.317 --> 00:12:10.319
- ALL HAVE THIS PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE
- 00:12:10.386 --> 00:12:11.353
- RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE PROJECT THE RELATIONSHIP
- 00:12:11.420 --> 00:12:12.454
- PROJECT THE RELATIONSHIP AS A RULE ON SOMEONE ELSE.
- 00:12:12.521 --> 00:12:13.022
- AS A RULE ON SOMEONE ELSE. "THIS IS HOW I WAS
- 00:12:13.088 --> 00:12:13.789
- "THIS IS HOW I WAS AFFECTED, SO YOU WILL BE
- 00:12:13.856 --> 00:12:14.623
- AFFECTED, SO YOU WILL BE AFFECTED THIS WAY."
- 00:12:14.690 --> 00:12:15.591
- AFFECTED THIS WAY." WE'VE ACTUALLY VILLAINIZED OR
- 00:12:15.658 --> 00:12:17.159
- WE'VE ACTUALLY VILLAINIZED OR DEMONIZED OR TAKEN AWAY
- 00:12:17.226 --> 00:12:18.594
- DEMONIZED OR TAKEN AWAY THE POWER THEY HAVE TO
- 00:12:18.661 --> 00:12:20.262
- THE POWER THEY HAVE TO HAVE RELATIONSHIP TO THAT
- 00:12:20.329 --> 00:12:22.498
- HAVE RELATIONSHIP TO THAT ART THEMSELVES AND LET GOD
- 00:12:22.565 --> 00:12:23.732
- ART THEMSELVES AND LET GOD SPEAK THROUGH THE ART
- 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:24.800
- SPEAK THROUGH THE ART THEMSELVES, JUST LIKE
- 00:12:24.867 --> 00:12:25.501
- THEMSELVES, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY WHO LISTENED TO
- 00:12:25.568 --> 00:12:27.536
- EVERYBODY WHO LISTENED TO THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT
- 00:12:27.603 --> 00:12:28.437
- THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT HEARD IT VERY DIFFERENTLY,
- 00:12:28.504 --> 00:12:29.438
- HEARD IT VERY DIFFERENTLY, AND THE DISCIPLES WERE
- 00:12:29.505 --> 00:12:30.539
- AND THE DISCIPLES WERE ALWAYS ASKING JESUS, LIKE,
- 00:12:30.606 --> 00:12:31.340
- ALWAYS ASKING JESUS, LIKE, "WHY AREN'T YOU SPEAKING
- 00:12:31.407 --> 00:12:31.974
- "WHY AREN'T YOU SPEAKING CLEARLY?
- 00:12:32.041 --> 00:12:32.708
- CLEARLY? JUST GIVE US THE RULES.
- 00:12:32.775 --> 00:12:33.242
- JUST GIVE US THE RULES. GIVE US THE INSTRUCTIONS."
- 00:12:33.309 --> 00:12:34.376
- GIVE US THE INSTRUCTIONS." AND HE SAID, "NO, I WANT
- 00:12:34.443 --> 00:12:35.444
- AND HE SAID, "NO, I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT READY
- 00:12:35.511 --> 00:12:36.078
- PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT READY INSIGHT WITHIN THEMSELVES,"
- 00:12:36.145 --> 00:12:37.346
- INSIGHT WITHIN THEMSELVES," MATTHEW 18:18,
- 00:12:37.413 --> 00:12:37.813
- MATTHEW 18:18, WHICH I USED ON OUR LAST
- 00:12:37.880 --> 00:12:38.380
- WHICH I USED ON OUR LAST SHOW TOGETHER, WHICH
- 00:12:38.447 --> 00:12:39.381
- SHOW TOGETHER, WHICH WAS JESUS TOLD STORIES
- 00:12:39.448 --> 00:12:40.983
- WAS JESUS TOLD STORIES 'CAUSE HE SAID, "IF I DON'T
- 00:12:41.050 --> 00:12:42.651
- 'CAUSE HE SAID, "IF I DON'T TELL IT IN A STORY FORM--"
- 00:12:42.718 --> 00:12:43.652
- TELL IT IN A STORY FORM--" HE WAS THE ORIGINAL
- 00:12:43.719 --> 00:12:44.653
- HE WAS THE ORIGINAL STORYTELLER--
- 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:45.120
- STORYTELLER-- "IF I DON'T TELL IT IN THIS
- 00:12:45.187 --> 00:12:46.188
- "IF I DON'T TELL IT IN THIS FORM, THEY'LL STARE INTO
- 00:12:46.255 --> 00:12:47.423
- FORM, THEY'LL STARE INTO THEY'RE BLUE IN THE FACE,
- 00:12:47.489 --> 00:12:48.490
- THEY'RE BLUE IN THE FACE, TRYING TO GET ORDERS AND
- 00:12:48.557 --> 00:12:49.024
- TRYING TO GET ORDERS AND DIRECTIVES FROM ME, BUT IF
- 00:12:49.091 --> 00:12:50.059
- DIRECTIVES FROM ME, BUT IF I TELL IT THIS WAY, IT CAN
- 00:12:50.125 --> 00:12:52.228
- I TELL IT THIS WAY, IT CAN CHANGE THE CULTURE OF
- 00:12:52.294 --> 00:12:53.229
- CHANGE THE CULTURE OF THEIR HEART," WHICH IS WHY
- 00:12:53.295 --> 00:12:53.796
- THEIR HEART," WHICH IS WHY THE ARTS ARE SO AMAZING
- 00:12:53.863 --> 00:12:54.697
- THE ARTS ARE SO AMAZING AND WHY WE WANT CERTAIN TV
- 00:12:54.763 --> 00:12:55.598
- AND WHY WE WANT CERTAIN TV SHOWS THAT TEACH US ABOUT
- 00:12:55.664 --> 00:12:56.165
- SHOWS THAT TEACH US ABOUT LOOKING AT OTHER RACES OR
- 00:12:56.232 --> 00:12:58.367
- LOOKING AT OTHER RACES OR DISABILITIES OR PEOPLE
- 00:12:58.434 --> 00:12:59.668
- DISABILITIES OR PEOPLE GROUPS IN WAYS THAT WE
- 00:12:59.735 --> 00:13:01.237
- GROUPS IN WAYS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO BECAUSE
- 00:13:01.303 --> 00:13:02.471
- DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO BECAUSE WE WEREN'T RAISED IN THAT
- 00:13:02.538 --> 00:13:03.639
- WE WEREN'T RAISED IN THAT CULTURE, OR WE WATCH A
- 00:13:03.706 --> 00:13:04.740
- CULTURE, OR WE WATCH A CERTAIN TED TALK, OR WE
- 00:13:04.807 --> 00:13:05.975
- CERTAIN TED TALK, OR WE LISTEN TO A CERTAIN SONG,
- 00:13:06.041 --> 00:13:08.544
- LISTEN TO A CERTAIN SONG, AND IT CAUSED US TO THINK
- 00:13:08.611 --> 00:13:10.846
- AND IT CAUSED US TO THINK OUTSIDE OF OUR
- 00:13:10.913 --> 00:13:11.547
- OUTSIDE OF OUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS OR
- 00:13:11.614 --> 00:13:12.081
- SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS OR OUTSIDE OF MAYBE THE BASE
- 00:13:12.147 --> 00:13:13.883
- OUTSIDE OF MAYBE THE BASE NATURE OF PSYCHOLOGY THAT
- 00:13:13.949 --> 00:13:14.950
- NATURE OF PSYCHOLOGY THAT WE HAD GROWING UP BECAUSE
- 00:13:15.017 --> 00:13:15.517
- WE HAD GROWING UP BECAUSE OUR PARENTS DIDN'T
- 00:13:15.584 --> 00:13:15.951
- OUR PARENTS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THINGS.
- 00:13:16.018 --> 00:13:16.385
- UNDERSTAND THINGS. AND SO, ALL OF A SUDDEN,
- 00:13:16.452 --> 00:13:17.253
- AND SO, ALL OF A SUDDEN, GOD DISCIPLES US THROUGH
- 00:13:17.319 --> 00:13:18.187
- GOD DISCIPLES US THROUGH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT
- 00:13:18.254 --> 00:13:19.021
- SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TRADITIONAL ONE-ON-ONE
- 00:13:19.088 --> 00:13:19.955
- TRADITIONAL ONE-ON-ONE CHRISTIANITY DISCIPLESHIP
- 00:13:20.022 --> 00:13:21.757
- CHRISTIANITY DISCIPLESHIP BUT MAYBE IT'S EMOTIONAL
- 00:13:21.824 --> 00:13:22.958
- BUT MAYBE IT'S EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE OR IT'S GOD,
- 00:13:23.025 --> 00:13:25.294
- INTELLIGENCE OR IT'S GOD, YOU KNOW, THE FATHER
- 00:13:25.361 --> 00:13:27.396
- YOU KNOW, THE FATHER SPEAKING INTO OUR SONSHIP
- 00:13:27.463 --> 00:13:28.063
- SPEAKING INTO OUR SONSHIP THROUGH SOMETHING THAT
- 00:13:28.130 --> 00:13:29.064
- THROUGH SOMETHING THAT MAYBE OUR CHURCH HAS NEVER
- 00:13:29.131 --> 00:13:30.165
- MAYBE OUR CHURCH HAS NEVER SPENT TIME ON BECAUSE OUR
- 00:13:30.232 --> 00:13:31.233
- SPENT TIME ON BECAUSE OUR CHURCH-- I'VE HAD CHURCHES
- 00:13:31.300 --> 00:13:32.301
- CHURCH-- I'VE HAD CHURCHES I'VE CONSULTED THAT HAVE
- 00:13:32.368 --> 00:13:33.168
- I'VE CONSULTED THAT HAVE SPOKEN ONE PASSAGE OF
- 00:13:33.235 --> 00:13:34.637
- SPOKEN ONE PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE FOR A WHOLE
- 00:13:34.703 --> 00:13:35.905
- SCRIPTURE FOR A WHOLE YEAR, AND THERE'S SO MUCH
- 00:13:35.971 --> 00:13:37.106
- YEAR, AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT
- 00:13:37.172 --> 00:13:37.907
- MORE TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT HOW TO BE A THRIVING
- 00:13:37.973 --> 00:13:38.507
- HOW TO BE A THRIVING PERSON.
- 00:13:38.574 --> 00:13:39.141
- PERSON. - BOBBY: AND SO,
- 00:13:39.208 --> 00:13:40.276
- - BOBBY: AND SO, LISTENING TO YOU TALK,
- 00:13:40.342 --> 00:13:40.843
- LISTENING TO YOU TALK, I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION
- 00:13:40.910 --> 00:13:42.144
- I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH-- IN A GROUP OF
- 00:13:42.211 --> 00:13:43.412
- I HAD WITH-- IN A GROUP OF FRIENDS, ALL GUYS, AND
- 00:13:43.479 --> 00:13:44.380
- FRIENDS, ALL GUYS, AND WE'RE ALL COMMITTED
- 00:13:44.446 --> 00:13:45.581
- WE'RE ALL COMMITTED CHRISTIANS, AND SOME OF
- 00:13:45.648 --> 00:13:47.416
- CHRISTIANS, AND SOME OF US, WE ALL ARE A LITTLE
- 00:13:47.483 --> 00:13:48.083
- US, WE ALL ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AND
- 00:13:48.150 --> 00:13:49.518
- DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS,
- 00:13:49.585 --> 00:13:50.452
- ONE OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, WHO'S A LITTLE
- 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:51.487
- YOU KNOW, WHO'S A LITTLE MORE LEGALISTIC, WE WERE
- 00:13:51.553 --> 00:13:54.056
- MORE LEGALISTIC, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EXACT
- 00:13:54.123 --> 00:13:54.623
- TALKING ABOUT THIS EXACT THING, SOMETHING LIKE
- 00:13:54.690 --> 00:13:55.424
- THING, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
- 00:13:55.491 --> 00:13:55.858
- THIS. HE WAS LIKE, "Y'ALL ARE
- 00:13:55.925 --> 00:13:56.692
- HE WAS LIKE, "Y'ALL ARE JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE
- 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:57.359
- JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO SIN."
- 00:13:57.426 --> 00:13:58.160
- TO SIN." THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
- 00:13:58.227 --> 00:13:59.828
- THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. AND WHEN HE SAID THAT,
- 00:13:59.895 --> 00:14:00.462
- AND WHEN HE SAID THAT, THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY
- 00:14:00.529 --> 00:14:01.630
- THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY COMPELLING ABOUT IT,
- 00:14:01.697 --> 00:14:02.097
- COMPELLING ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY, TO BE HONEST
- 00:14:02.164 --> 00:14:02.865
- ACTUALLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
- 00:14:02.932 --> 00:14:03.332
- WITH YOU. IN THE DAY THAT WE'RE IN
- 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.567
- IN THE DAY THAT WE'RE IN TODAY, THAT'S BECOME SO
- 00:14:05.634 --> 00:14:07.002
- TODAY, THAT'S BECOME SO RELATIVISTIC.
- 00:14:07.069 --> 00:14:07.703
- RELATIVISTIC. THERE IS A PART OF ME
- 00:14:07.770 --> 00:14:09.772
- THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT, WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS
- 00:14:09.838 --> 00:14:11.140
- THAT, WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS BRAVELY TO ALL OF HIS PEERS,
- 00:14:11.206 --> 00:14:13.375
- BRAVELY TO ALL OF HIS PEERS, "Y'ALL ARE JUST LOOKING
- 00:14:13.442 --> 00:14:14.343
- "Y'ALL ARE JUST LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO SIN,"
- 00:14:14.410 --> 00:14:16.345
- FOR AN EXCUSE TO SIN," THERE'S A PART OF ME
- 00:14:16.412 --> 00:14:17.212
- THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT'S LIKE, "YEAH," LIKE,
- 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:18.080
- THAT'S LIKE, "YEAH," LIKE, THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT
- 00:14:18.147 --> 00:14:18.781
- THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT LIKES THAT.
- 00:14:18.847 --> 00:14:20.849
- LIKES THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS,
- 00:14:20.916 --> 00:14:21.617
- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT, WHEN I STUDY THE
- 00:14:21.684 --> 00:14:22.685
- BUT, WHEN I STUDY THE SCRIPTURE, WHAT WE WERE
- 00:14:22.751 --> 00:14:23.452
- SCRIPTURE, WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WAS
- 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.421
- ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WAS RATED-R MOVIES, "CAN YOU
- 00:14:25.487 --> 00:14:25.955
- RATED-R MOVIES, "CAN YOU WATCH RATED-R MOVIES?"
- 00:14:26.021 --> 00:14:27.089
- WATCH RATED-R MOVIES?" BUT YOU JUST NAMED ONE.
- 00:14:27.156 --> 00:14:29.658
- BUT YOU JUST NAMED ONE. THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE
- 00:14:29.725 --> 00:14:30.626
- THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A MOVIE PROBABLY A LOT
- 00:14:30.693 --> 00:14:31.660
- OF A MOVIE PROBABLY A LOT OF CHRISTIANS SHOULD WATCH,
- 00:14:31.727 --> 00:14:32.728
- OF CHRISTIANS SHOULD WATCH, "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN,"
- 00:14:32.795 --> 00:14:33.228
- "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN," RIGHT?
- 00:14:33.295 --> 00:14:33.896
- RIGHT? IT'S RATED "R" BECAUSE OF
- 00:14:33.963 --> 00:14:35.030
- IT'S RATED "R" BECAUSE OF THE VIOLENCE, BUT IT
- 00:14:35.097 --> 00:14:36.465
- THE VIOLENCE, BUT IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO SEE IF
- 00:14:36.532 --> 00:14:38.634
- ALLOWS PEOPLE TO SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING--
- 00:14:38.701 --> 00:14:39.868
- THEY'RE WILLING-- AND, ACTUALLY, WASN'T "THE
- 00:14:39.935 --> 00:14:40.402
- AND, ACTUALLY, WASN'T "THE PASSION" RATED "R"?
- 00:14:40.469 --> 00:14:41.437
- PASSION" RATED "R"? - SHAWN: YEAH.
- 00:14:41.503 --> 00:14:41.904
- - SHAWN: YEAH. - BOBBY: SO, "THE
- 00:14:41.971 --> 00:14:43.072
- - BOBBY: SO, "THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST"?
- 00:14:43.138 --> 00:14:43.872
- PASSION OF THE CHRIST"? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT?
- 00:14:43.939 --> 00:14:44.974
- MAYBE, MAYBE NOT? - SHAWN: THE MOST SEEN
- 00:14:45.040 --> 00:14:45.741
- - SHAWN: THE MOST SEEN MOVIE IN HISTORY.
- 00:14:45.808 --> 00:14:46.342
- MOVIE IN HISTORY. - BOBBY: YEAH, YEAH, SO
- 00:14:46.408 --> 00:14:47.576
- - BOBBY: YEAH, YEAH, SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF
- 00:14:47.643 --> 00:14:48.510
- THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF FILMS THAT MAINLY BECAUSE
- 00:14:48.577 --> 00:14:49.111
- FILMS THAT MAINLY BECAUSE OF VIOLENCE.
- 00:14:49.178 --> 00:14:49.845
- OF VIOLENCE. THERE'S OTHER RATED-R
- 00:14:49.912 --> 00:14:50.379
- THERE'S OTHER RATED-R FILMS THAT, FOR SURE,
- 00:14:50.446 --> 00:14:51.547
- FILMS THAT, FOR SURE, WOULD BE, LIKE,
- 00:14:51.613 --> 00:14:52.414
- WOULD BE, LIKE, "Y'ALL WANNA SIN.
- 00:14:52.481 --> 00:14:53.449
- "Y'ALL WANNA SIN. THAT'S WHY YOU WANNA WATCH
- 00:14:53.515 --> 00:14:54.016
- THAT'S WHY YOU WANNA WATCH IT," YOU KNOW?
- 00:14:54.083 --> 00:14:55.617
- IT," YOU KNOW? BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,
- 00:14:55.684 --> 00:14:56.485
- BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S WE WANNA LOOK FOR--
- 00:14:56.552 --> 00:15:00.055
- IT'S WE WANNA LOOK FOR-- WE ARE, SO MANY OF US,
- 00:15:00.122 --> 00:15:02.925
- WE ARE, SO MANY OF US, LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS
- 00:15:02.992 --> 00:15:04.226
- LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF SIN, AND NOW I'M
- 00:15:04.293 --> 00:15:05.561
- OF SIN, AND NOW I'M GETTING ON ROCKY GROUND
- 00:15:05.627 --> 00:15:07.696
- GETTING ON ROCKY GROUND HERE, AND REBUKE ME IF I'M
- 00:15:07.763 --> 00:15:09.398
- HERE, AND REBUKE ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, OKAY?
- 00:15:09.465 --> 00:15:09.999
- WRONG HERE, OKAY? [LAUGHTER]
- 00:15:10.065 --> 00:15:10.933
- [LAUGHTER] BUT I THINK IT IS KIND OF
- 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:12.868
- BUT I THINK IT IS KIND OF LIKE IN REAL JESUS-LOVING
- 00:15:12.935 --> 00:15:14.970
- LIKE IN REAL JESUS-LOVING CHRISTIANITY, THERE'S A
- 00:15:15.037 --> 00:15:15.771
- CHRISTIANITY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TYPES OF
- 00:15:15.838 --> 00:15:17.373
- COUPLE OF TYPES OF CHRISTIANITY AT PLAY, AND
- 00:15:17.439 --> 00:15:18.974
- CHRISTIANITY AT PLAY, AND ONE IS, I THINK, A FALSE
- 00:15:19.041 --> 00:15:20.075
- ONE IS, I THINK, A FALSE GOSPEL, AND I KNOW BECAUSE
- 00:15:20.142 --> 00:15:21.510
- GOSPEL, AND I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS THERE FOR A LONG
- 00:15:21.577 --> 00:15:22.578
- I WAS THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
- 00:15:22.644 --> 00:15:23.078
- TIME. THAT'S THE GOSPEL OF SIN
- 00:15:23.145 --> 00:15:24.079
- THAT'S THE GOSPEL OF SIN MANAGEMENT.
- 00:15:24.146 --> 00:15:24.680
- MANAGEMENT. - SHAWN: TOTALLY.
- 00:15:24.747 --> 00:15:26.648
- - SHAWN: TOTALLY. - BOBBY: IT'S THAT THE
- 00:15:26.715 --> 00:15:27.583
- - BOBBY: IT'S THAT THE PURPOSE OF BEING-- OF A
- 00:15:27.649 --> 00:15:29.952
- PURPOSE OF BEING-- OF A BELIEVER IS TO GET SIN OUT
- 00:15:30.019 --> 00:15:31.820
- BELIEVER IS TO GET SIN OUT OF MY LIFE, AND THE REASON
- 00:15:31.887 --> 00:15:32.388
- OF MY LIFE, AND THE REASON THAT VIEW IS SO ALLURING
- 00:15:32.454 --> 00:15:33.856
- THAT VIEW IS SO ALLURING IS BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE
- 00:15:33.922 --> 00:15:36.091
- IS BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE REAL THING, BUT
- 00:15:36.158 --> 00:15:36.725
- TO THE REAL THING, BUT THAT GOSPEL OF SIN
- 00:15:36.792 --> 00:15:38.060
- THAT GOSPEL OF SIN MANAGEMENT WAS THE THING
- 00:15:38.127 --> 00:15:39.061
- MANAGEMENT WAS THE THING THAT THE PHARISEES WERE
- 00:15:39.128 --> 00:15:39.962
- THAT THE PHARISEES WERE BELIEVING IN, RIGHT?
- 00:15:40.029 --> 00:15:41.497
- BELIEVING IN, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, "HERE'S--"
- 00:15:41.563 --> 00:15:43.332
- IT'S LIKE, "HERE'S--" AND JESUS IS CONSTANTLY
- 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:44.700
- AND JESUS IS CONSTANTLY WORKING ON THIS:
- 00:15:44.767 --> 00:15:45.401
- WORKING ON THIS: "YOU HAVE SAID TO YOURSELF,
- 00:15:45.467 --> 00:15:46.568
- "YOU HAVE SAID TO YOURSELF, 'DO NOT MURDER, AND
- 00:15:46.635 --> 00:15:48.237
- 'DO NOT MURDER, AND ANYBODY WHO MURDERS SHALL
- 00:15:48.303 --> 00:15:49.471
- ANYBODY WHO MURDERS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO JUDGMENT,'
- 00:15:49.538 --> 00:15:51.640
- BE SUBJECT TO JUDGMENT,' BUT I TELL YOU, ANYBODY
- 00:15:51.707 --> 00:15:52.741
- BUT I TELL YOU, ANYBODY WHO IS ANGRY WITH HIS
- 00:15:52.808 --> 00:15:53.776
- WHO IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WILL BE SUBJECT TO
- 00:15:53.842 --> 00:15:54.810
- BROTHER WILL BE SUBJECT TO JUDGMENT."
- 00:15:54.877 --> 00:15:55.277
- JUDGMENT." SO YOU GO FROM SOMETHING
- 00:15:55.344 --> 00:15:56.445
- SO YOU GO FROM SOMETHING VERY CONCRETE, MURDER--
- 00:15:56.512 --> 00:15:58.280
- VERY CONCRETE, MURDER-- HE KILLED A GUY--
- 00:15:58.347 --> 00:15:59.515
- HE KILLED A GUY-- TO SOMETHING KIND OF
- 00:15:59.581 --> 00:16:00.516
- TO SOMETHING KIND OF ABSTRACT:
- 00:16:00.582 --> 00:16:01.083
- ABSTRACT: "IF YOU HAVE ANGER
- 00:16:01.150 --> 00:16:01.850
- "IF YOU HAVE ANGER IN YOUR HEART,"
- 00:16:01.917 --> 00:16:02.418
- IN YOUR HEART," AND IT'S LIKE, "WELL,
- 00:16:02.484 --> 00:16:03.419
- AND IT'S LIKE, "WELL, I'M ANGRY ALL THE TIME.
- 00:16:03.485 --> 00:16:04.286
- I'M ANGRY ALL THE TIME. THAT MEANS I'M A MURDERER?
- 00:16:04.353 --> 00:16:04.920
- THAT MEANS I'M A MURDERER? AND THAT'S NOT FAIR."
- 00:16:04.987 --> 00:16:05.421
- AND THAT'S NOT FAIR." AND SO WE HEAR THAT, AND WE'RE
- 00:16:05.487 --> 00:16:06.822
- AND SO WE HEAR THAT, AND WE'RE LIKE, "OH, JESUS IS GIVING
- 00:16:06.889 --> 00:16:08.290
- LIKE, "OH, JESUS IS GIVING US JUST A HARDER SET OF
- 00:16:08.357 --> 00:16:08.957
- US JUST A HARDER SET OF RULES: 'DON'T BE ANGRY,'
- 00:16:09.024 --> 00:16:10.259
- RULES: 'DON'T BE ANGRY,' AND NOW THAT'S EVEN MORE
- 00:16:10.325 --> 00:16:13.495
- AND NOW THAT'S EVEN MORE ABSTRACT," BUT THAT'S NOT
- 00:16:13.562 --> 00:16:15.364
- ABSTRACT," BUT THAT'S NOT CLEARLY WHAT JESUS IS SAYING.
- 00:16:15.431 --> 00:16:16.365
- CLEARLY WHAT JESUS IS SAYING. HE'S GIVING US-- HE WANTS
- 00:16:16.432 --> 00:16:17.633
- HE'S GIVING US-- HE WANTS US TO HAVE A NEW HEART,
- 00:16:17.699 --> 00:16:19.134
- US TO HAVE A NEW HEART, RIGHT?
- 00:16:19.201 --> 00:16:21.570
- RIGHT? HE WANTS US TO HAVE A--
- 00:16:21.637 --> 00:16:22.104
- HE WANTS US TO HAVE A-- - SHAWN: A NEW OPERATING
- 00:16:22.171 --> 00:16:23.305
- - SHAWN: A NEW OPERATING SYSTEM, AND I WOULD SAY
- 00:16:23.372 --> 00:16:23.839
- SYSTEM, AND I WOULD SAY HOLINESS ISN'T SIN
- 00:16:23.906 --> 00:16:24.873
- HOLINESS ISN'T SIN MANAGEMENT.
- 00:16:24.940 --> 00:16:25.474
- MANAGEMENT. HOLINESS IS ACTUAL
- 00:16:25.541 --> 00:16:26.575
- HOLINESS IS ACTUAL RELATIONAL MANAGEMENT.
- 00:16:26.642 --> 00:16:27.543
- RELATIONAL MANAGEMENT. SO, FOR ME, I LOOK AT IT--
- 00:16:27.609 --> 00:16:29.344
- SO, FOR ME, I LOOK AT IT-- THIS IS HOW MY DAD TAUGHT ME.
- 00:16:29.411 --> 00:16:30.045
- THIS IS HOW MY DAD TAUGHT ME. I REMEMBER I CAME HOME
- 00:16:30.112 --> 00:16:31.480
- I REMEMBER I CAME HOME FROM SCHOOL, AND I HAD
- 00:16:31.547 --> 00:16:33.382
- FROM SCHOOL, AND I HAD SEEN A PORNOGRAPHIC
- 00:16:33.449 --> 00:16:34.750
- SEEN A PORNOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE ON THE TRAIL IN A
- 00:16:34.817 --> 00:16:38.020
- MAGAZINE ON THE TRAIL IN A FOREST WITH MY FRIENDS,
- 00:16:38.087 --> 00:16:38.954
- FOREST WITH MY FRIENDS, AND I WAS LIKE, "DAD,
- 00:16:39.021 --> 00:16:39.688
- AND I WAS LIKE, "DAD, DAD--" I WAS, LIKE, 11,
- 00:16:39.755 --> 00:16:40.589
- DAD--" I WAS, LIKE, 11, WHICH IS A TERRIBLE AGE, I
- 00:16:40.656 --> 00:16:41.423
- WHICH IS A TERRIBLE AGE, I MEAN, 11, BUT IT'S EVEN
- 00:16:41.490 --> 00:16:42.024
- MEAN, 11, BUT IT'S EVEN MORE NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH
- 00:16:42.091 --> 00:16:42.991
- MORE NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH KIDS ON THE INTERNET.
- 00:16:43.058 --> 00:16:43.592
- KIDS ON THE INTERNET. AND I WAS TELLING HIM
- 00:16:43.659 --> 00:16:44.159
- AND I WAS TELLING HIM ABOUT IT, AND HE GOES,
- 00:16:44.226 --> 00:16:44.993
- ABOUT IT, AND HE GOES, "YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY
- 00:16:45.060 --> 00:16:45.727
- "YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY I DON'T LOOK AT THOSE
- 00:16:45.794 --> 00:16:47.029
- I DON'T LOOK AT THOSE MAGAZINES ANYMORE IS
- 00:16:47.096 --> 00:16:47.896
- MAGAZINES ANYMORE IS BECAUSE I MARRIED YOUR
- 00:16:47.963 --> 00:16:48.897
- BECAUSE I MARRIED YOUR MOM, AND THOSE THINGS TAKE
- 00:16:48.964 --> 00:16:50.099
- MOM, AND THOSE THINGS TAKE AWAY SOME OF MY PASSION
- 00:16:50.165 --> 00:16:51.100
- AWAY SOME OF MY PASSION FOR YOUR MOM, AND I LOVE
- 00:16:51.166 --> 00:16:52.701
- FOR YOUR MOM, AND I LOVE MY RELATIONSHIP SO MUCH
- 00:16:52.768 --> 00:16:54.069
- MY RELATIONSHIP SO MUCH THAT I SAY, "NO," TO THAT
- 00:16:54.136 --> 00:16:55.237
- THAT I SAY, "NO," TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M
- 00:16:55.304 --> 00:16:56.205
- BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, "YES," TO, AND I
- 00:16:56.271 --> 00:16:57.272
- SAYING, "YES," TO, AND I LOVE SAYING, "YES."
- 00:16:57.339 --> 00:16:58.507
- LOVE SAYING, "YES." AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH
- 00:16:58.574 --> 00:16:59.708
- AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH HOLINESS, IT'S ACTUALLY
- 00:16:59.775 --> 00:17:02.044
- HOLINESS, IT'S ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE
- 00:17:02.111 --> 00:17:02.511
- KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, "YES," TO AND
- 00:17:02.578 --> 00:17:04.012
- SAYING, "YES," TO AND BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP
- 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:04.580
- BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP AND PROTECTING THAT
- 00:17:04.646 --> 00:17:05.147
- AND PROTECTING THAT RELATIONSHIP 'CAUSE YOU
- 00:17:05.214 --> 00:17:05.981
- RELATIONSHIP 'CAUSE YOU LIKE IT AT ALL COSTS.
- 00:17:06.048 --> 00:17:06.482
- LIKE IT AT ALL COSTS. LIKE, I CAN DO ALL KINDS
- 00:17:06.548 --> 00:17:07.082
- LIKE, I CAN DO ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS EVERY
- 00:17:07.149 --> 00:17:08.150
- OF OTHER THINGS EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK, BUT I
- 00:17:08.217 --> 00:17:09.318
- NIGHT OF THE WEEK, BUT I WANNA SPEND TIME WITH MY
- 00:17:09.384 --> 00:17:10.085
- WANNA SPEND TIME WITH MY WIFE AND MY KIDS AND
- 00:17:10.152 --> 00:17:12.154
- WIFE AND MY KIDS AND SOMETIMES MY CORE
- 00:17:12.221 --> 00:17:13.222
- SOMETIMES MY CORE FRIENDSHIP GROUPS, BUT, I
- 00:17:13.288 --> 00:17:14.423
- FRIENDSHIP GROUPS, BUT, I MEAN, BEFORE I WAS
- 00:17:14.490 --> 00:17:15.357
- MEAN, BEFORE I WAS MARRIED, I WAS SO SOCIAL,
- 00:17:15.424 --> 00:17:16.225
- MARRIED, I WAS SO SOCIAL, AND I DID SO MANY THINGS,
- 00:17:16.291 --> 00:17:17.359
- AND I DID SO MANY THINGS, AND IT'S SO EASY TO SAY,
- 00:17:17.426 --> 00:17:18.527
- AND IT'S SO EASY TO SAY, "NO," TO ALL THOSE THINGS
- 00:17:18.594 --> 00:17:19.862
- "NO," TO ALL THOSE THINGS I HAD PERMISSION BEFORE
- 00:17:19.928 --> 00:17:21.196
- I HAD PERMISSION BEFORE BECAUSE I'M IN SOME CORE
- 00:17:21.263 --> 00:17:22.331
- BECAUSE I'M IN SOME CORE RELATIONSHIPS, A NUCLEAR
- 00:17:22.397 --> 00:17:23.765
- RELATIONSHIPS, A NUCLEAR FAMILY, THAT I'M SO
- 00:17:23.832 --> 00:17:24.600
- FAMILY, THAT I'M SO ENJOYING BUILDING, EVEN
- 00:17:24.666 --> 00:17:25.801
- ENJOYING BUILDING, EVEN WHEN IT'S HARD, THAT IT'S
- 00:17:25.868 --> 00:17:26.869
- WHEN IT'S HARD, THAT IT'S EASY TO SAY, "NO," TO A
- 00:17:26.935 --> 00:17:28.003
- EASY TO SAY, "NO," TO A LOT OF THINGS, AND THAT'S
- 00:17:28.070 --> 00:17:28.937
- LOT OF THINGS, AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SIN
- 00:17:29.004 --> 00:17:30.105
- HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SIN MANAGEMENT ISN'T SIN
- 00:17:30.172 --> 00:17:30.772
- MANAGEMENT ISN'T SIN MANAGEMENT.
- 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:31.540
- MANAGEMENT. IT'S ACTUALLY RELATIONAL,
- 00:17:31.607 --> 00:17:32.508
- IT'S ACTUALLY RELATIONAL, LIKE, "WHAT AM I SAYING,
- 00:17:32.574 --> 00:17:33.041
- LIKE, "WHAT AM I SAYING, 'YES,' TO?"
- 00:17:33.108 --> 00:17:33.642
- 'YES,' TO?" - BOBBY: YEAH, EXACTLY
- 00:17:33.709 --> 00:17:34.143
- - BOBBY: YEAH, EXACTLY RIGHT.
- 00:17:34.209 --> 00:17:34.776
- RIGHT. WELL, SO, THAT'S MY POINT
- 00:17:34.843 --> 00:17:35.711
- WELL, SO, THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT IT'S EASY, WHEN
- 00:17:35.777 --> 00:17:36.245
- IS THAT IT'S EASY, WHEN YOU'RE A COMMITTED
- 00:17:36.311 --> 00:17:37.279
- YOU'RE A COMMITTED CHRISTIAN, TO THINK OF,
- 00:17:37.346 --> 00:17:38.213
- CHRISTIAN, TO THINK OF, LIKE, THE MORE-- THE LESS
- 00:17:38.280 --> 00:17:39.414
- LIKE, THE MORE-- THE LESS SIN I HAVE IN MY LIFE, THE
- 00:17:39.481 --> 00:17:40.382
- SIN I HAVE IN MY LIFE, THE CLOSER I AM TO GOD," BUT
- 00:17:40.449 --> 00:17:41.617
- CLOSER I AM TO GOD," BUT THE TWO ARE NOT ALWAYS THE
- 00:17:41.683 --> 00:17:43.986
- THE TWO ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME IS, I GUESS, MY--
- 00:17:44.052 --> 00:17:44.820
- SAME IS, I GUESS, MY-- AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT--
- 00:17:44.887 --> 00:17:46.288
- AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT-- IT'S LIKE, "WELL, WHY
- 00:17:46.355 --> 00:17:47.389
- IT'S LIKE, "WELL, WHY WOULD YOU WANNA LISTEN TO
- 00:17:47.456 --> 00:17:48.557
- WOULD YOU WANNA LISTEN TO SECULAR MUSIC?
- 00:17:48.624 --> 00:17:50.526
- SECULAR MUSIC? WHY WOULD YOU WANNA SEE,
- 00:17:50.592 --> 00:17:51.793
- WHY WOULD YOU WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, SECULAR FILMS?
- 00:17:51.860 --> 00:17:52.928
- YOU KNOW, SECULAR FILMS? JUST WATCH CHRISTIAN FILMS."
- 00:17:52.995 --> 00:17:53.996
- JUST WATCH CHRISTIAN FILMS." AND THERE'S A GOOD ANSWER
- 00:17:54.062 --> 00:17:54.563
- AND THERE'S A GOOD ANSWER TO THAT IF YOU'RE
- 00:17:54.630 --> 00:17:55.297
- TO THAT IF YOU'RE NOT WRAPPED UP IN THE
- 00:17:55.364 --> 00:17:55.898
- NOT WRAPPED UP IN THE GOSPEL OF SIN MANAGEMENT,
- 00:17:55.964 --> 00:17:56.832
- GOSPEL OF SIN MANAGEMENT, RIGHT?
- 00:17:56.899 --> 00:17:58.167
- RIGHT? THE ANSWER IS-- WELL,
- 00:17:58.233 --> 00:17:59.234
- THE ANSWER IS-- WELL, THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS.
- 00:17:59.301 --> 00:18:00.102
- THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS. ONE, IT'S ENJOYABLE, AND
- 00:18:00.169 --> 00:18:01.370
- ONE, IT'S ENJOYABLE, AND GOD WANTS US TO ENJOY OUR
- 00:18:01.436 --> 00:18:02.704
- GOD WANTS US TO ENJOY OUR LIFE.
- 00:18:02.771 --> 00:18:03.172
- LIFE. - SHAWN: ABSOLUTELY, WHY
- 00:18:03.238 --> 00:18:04.072
- - SHAWN: ABSOLUTELY, WHY DO YOU GO TO DISNEYLAND?
- 00:18:04.139 --> 00:18:05.941
- DO YOU GO TO DISNEYLAND? WHY DO YOU GO TO THESE
- 00:18:06.008 --> 00:18:06.441
- WHY DO YOU GO TO THESE PLACES?
- 00:18:06.508 --> 00:18:07.142
- PLACES? - BOBBY: WE ACT AS IF,
- 00:18:07.209 --> 00:18:08.110
- - BOBBY: WE ACT AS IF, LIKE-- I DON'T KNOW--
- 00:18:08.177 --> 00:18:10.279
- LIKE-- I DON'T KNOW-- LIKE, THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT,
- 00:18:10.345 --> 00:18:11.079
- LIKE, THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, AND THEN WE LIE TO OURSELVES.
- 00:18:11.146 --> 00:18:12.281
- AND THEN WE LIE TO OURSELVES. IT IS IMPORTANT.
- 00:18:12.347 --> 00:18:13.248
- IT IS IMPORTANT. BEAUTY IS IMPORTANT.
- 00:18:13.315 --> 00:18:16.018
- BEAUTY IS IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I
- 00:18:16.084 --> 00:18:17.019
- IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I ENJOY BEAUTIFUL THINGS.
- 00:18:17.085 --> 00:18:17.753
- ENJOY BEAUTIFUL THINGS. ENTERTAINMENT, IN A WAY,
- 00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:19.221
- ENTERTAINMENT, IN A WAY, IS IMPORTANT.
- 00:18:19.288 --> 00:18:21.657
- IS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE MOST
- 00:18:21.723 --> 00:18:22.691
- I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, BUT IT'S
- 00:18:22.758 --> 00:18:23.725
- IMPORTANT THING, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT, AND IF WE DON'T
- 00:18:23.792 --> 00:18:25.027
- IMPORTANT, AND IF WE DON'T GET IT FROM THERE, WE GET
- 00:18:25.093 --> 00:18:28.530
- GET IT FROM THERE, WE GET IT-- LIKE, WE NEED MEANING
- 00:18:28.597 --> 00:18:29.431
- IT-- LIKE, WE NEED MEANING IN LIFE, AND THEN THE
- 00:18:29.498 --> 00:18:30.799
- IN LIFE, AND THEN THE SECOND THING WHICH IS A
- 00:18:30.866 --> 00:18:31.567
- SECOND THING WHICH IS A BIGGER THING IS THAT WE
- 00:18:31.633 --> 00:18:34.036
- BIGGER THING IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE ENGAGED WITH
- 00:18:34.102 --> 00:18:34.570
- HAVE TO BE ENGAGED WITH OUR CULTURE IF WE WANNA
- 00:18:34.636 --> 00:18:36.104
- OUR CULTURE IF WE WANNA WIN OUR CULTURE FOR THE
- 00:18:36.171 --> 00:18:37.039
- WIN OUR CULTURE FOR THE GOSPEL, AND THAT'S THE
- 00:18:37.105 --> 00:18:38.106
- GOSPEL, AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
- 00:18:38.173 --> 00:18:38.607
- OTHER THING. SO I DO KNOW THAT THERE
- 00:18:38.674 --> 00:18:40.976
- SO I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, A LOT OF
- 00:18:41.043 --> 00:18:41.510
- ARE PEOPLE WHO, A LOT OF TIMES, WHEN SOMEONE GOES
- 00:18:41.577 --> 00:18:42.811
- TIMES, WHEN SOMEONE GOES FROM THE WORLD OF SIN
- 00:18:42.878 --> 00:18:44.012
- FROM THE WORLD OF SIN MANAGEMENT INTO THIS
- 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:45.314
- MANAGEMENT INTO THIS MISSIONARY KIND OF WAY,
- 00:18:45.380 --> 00:18:46.815
- MISSIONARY KIND OF WAY, VIEWING THE WORLD, THEY
- 00:18:46.882 --> 00:18:47.883
- VIEWING THE WORLD, THEY JUST COMPLETELY FALL OFF A
- 00:18:47.950 --> 00:18:50.285
- JUST COMPLETELY FALL OFF A DEEP END, AND THEN THEY'RE
- 00:18:50.352 --> 00:18:50.819
- DEEP END, AND THEN THEY'RE LIKE, A LOT OF THEM WILL,
- 00:18:50.886 --> 00:18:51.653
- LIKE, A LOT OF THEM WILL, LIKE, SEEM LIKE THEY LOSE
- 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:52.354
- LIKE, SEEM LIKE THEY LOSE THEIR FAITH OR SOMETHING
- 00:18:52.421 --> 00:18:53.455
- THEIR FAITH OR SOMETHING TOO, SO I THINK THAT
- 00:18:53.522 --> 00:18:53.922
- TOO, SO I THINK THAT SCARES A LOT OF PEOPLE.
- 00:18:53.989 --> 00:18:54.790
- SCARES A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT'S LIKE, "WELL, IF I
- 00:18:54.856 --> 00:18:55.857
- IT'S LIKE, "WELL, IF I START ENGAGING WITH SOME
- 00:18:55.924 --> 00:18:57.025
- START ENGAGING WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE
- 00:18:57.092 --> 00:18:58.527
- OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE DOING WHAT--" YOU KNOW,
- 00:18:58.594 --> 00:19:00.596
- DOING WHAT--" YOU KNOW, BUT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE
- 00:19:00.662 --> 00:19:01.863
- BUT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE GOTTA HAVE A BRAND-NEW
- 00:19:01.930 --> 00:19:03.098
- GOTTA HAVE A BRAND-NEW HEART THAT'S TOTALLY IN
- 00:19:03.165 --> 00:19:04.166
- HEART THAT'S TOTALLY IN LOVE WITH GOD, AND THEN
- 00:19:04.233 --> 00:19:06.301
- LOVE WITH GOD, AND THEN CAN SEE THESE THINGS AS
- 00:19:06.368 --> 00:19:07.269
- CAN SEE THESE THINGS AS WAYS OF ENGAGING WITH OUR
- 00:19:07.336 --> 00:19:07.836
- WAYS OF ENGAGING WITH OUR CULTURE.
- 00:19:07.903 --> 00:19:08.704
- CULTURE. - SHAWN: WELL, THERE'S A
- 00:19:08.770 --> 00:19:09.271
- - SHAWN: WELL, THERE'S A WAY TO SEE GOD WHERE YOU
- 00:19:09.338 --> 00:19:10.272
- WAY TO SEE GOD WHERE YOU LOOK AT GOD IS THE GOD WHO
- 00:19:10.339 --> 00:19:12.174
- LOOK AT GOD IS THE GOD WHO OWNS EVERYTHING, THE
- 00:19:12.241 --> 00:19:12.808
- OWNS EVERYTHING, THE CATTLE ON EVERY HILL.
- 00:19:12.874 --> 00:19:14.243
- CATTLE ON EVERY HILL. HE OWNS ALL THE
- 00:19:14.309 --> 00:19:14.910
- HE OWNS ALL THE INDUSTRIES.
- 00:19:14.977 --> 00:19:15.510
- INDUSTRIES. WHEN SATAN BROUGHT JESUS
- 00:19:15.577 --> 00:19:16.878
- WHEN SATAN BROUGHT JESUS UP ON THE TEMPLE AND SAID,
- 00:19:16.945 --> 00:19:18.080
- UP ON THE TEMPLE AND SAID, "YOU CAN HAVE ALL OF THIS
- 00:19:18.146 --> 00:19:19.147
- "YOU CAN HAVE ALL OF THIS IF YOU JUST SERVE ME NOW,"
- 00:19:19.214 --> 00:19:20.382
- IF YOU JUST SERVE ME NOW," HE WAS LIKE, "THERE'S NO WAY.
- 00:19:20.449 --> 00:19:21.350
- HE WAS LIKE, "THERE'S NO WAY. I KNOW WHAT THE FATHER IS
- 00:19:21.416 --> 00:19:21.917
- I KNOW WHAT THE FATHER IS ABOUT TO DO, WHICH IS
- 00:19:21.984 --> 00:19:23.452
- ABOUT TO DO, WHICH IS GONNA RESTORE TO THE PLAN
- 00:19:23.518 --> 00:19:25.053
- GONNA RESTORE TO THE PLAN THAT I SAW WITH HIM, FROM
- 00:19:25.120 --> 00:19:25.721
- THAT I SAW WITH HIM, FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME,
- 00:19:25.787 --> 00:19:26.922
- THE BEGINNING OF TIME, WHERE I'LL OWN ALL THIS
- 00:19:26.989 --> 00:19:28.590
- WHERE I'LL OWN ALL THIS ANYWAYS, BUT I'LL OWN IT
- 00:19:28.657 --> 00:19:29.124
- ANYWAYS, BUT I'LL OWN IT OUT OF THE VIEWPOINT OF
- 00:19:29.191 --> 00:19:31.059
- OUT OF THE VIEWPOINT OF RELATIONSHIP, NOT OUT OF
- 00:19:31.126 --> 00:19:31.860
- RELATIONSHIP, NOT OUT OF THE VIEWPOINT OF, JUST,
- 00:19:31.927 --> 00:19:32.561
- THE VIEWPOINT OF, JUST, "I CAN BE THE DICTATOR," OR
- 00:19:32.628 --> 00:19:34.630
- "I CAN BE THE DICTATOR," OR "I CAN BE THE--" YOU KNOW?
- 00:19:34.696 --> 00:19:35.197
- "I CAN BE THE--" YOU KNOW? AND SO I LOOK AT THIS, AND
- 00:19:35.264 --> 00:19:35.731
- AND SO I LOOK AT THIS, AND I THINK SO MANY OF US
- 00:19:35.797 --> 00:19:39.134
- I THINK SO MANY OF US THINK THAT, AT ONE POINT,
- 00:19:39.201 --> 00:19:39.868
- THINK THAT, AT ONE POINT, THAT WE'RE GONNA TURN AWAY
- 00:19:39.935 --> 00:19:41.837
- THAT WE'RE GONNA TURN AWAY FROM THE WORLD.
- 00:19:41.903 --> 00:19:42.904
- FROM THE WORLD. IT'S ALL GONNA BURN UP,
- 00:19:42.971 --> 00:19:43.405
- IT'S ALL GONNA BURN UP, AND NONE OF THIS WILL
- 00:19:43.472 --> 00:19:44.072
- AND NONE OF THIS WILL EXIST ANYMORE, BUT THE
- 00:19:44.139 --> 00:19:44.973
- EXIST ANYMORE, BUT THE REALITY IS ALL ART WILL
- 00:19:45.040 --> 00:19:45.507
- REALITY IS ALL ART WILL LIVE ON BECAUSE IT'S PART
- 00:19:45.574 --> 00:19:46.074
- LIVE ON BECAUSE IT'S PART OF GOD.
- 00:19:46.141 --> 00:19:46.441
- OF GOD. YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE
- 00:19:46.508 --> 00:19:47.209
- YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE SOME FORM OF
- 00:19:47.276 --> 00:19:48.243
- SOME FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT.
- 00:19:48.310 --> 00:19:48.777
- ENTERTAINMENT. WE'LL HAVE SOME FORM OF
- 00:19:48.844 --> 00:19:49.645
- WE'LL HAVE SOME FORM OF STORYTELLING.
- 00:19:49.711 --> 00:19:50.979
- STORYTELLING. WE'LL HAVE SOME FORM OF
- 00:19:51.046 --> 00:19:52.447
- WE'LL HAVE SOME FORM OF MUSIC THAT WILL KEEP
- 00:19:52.514 --> 00:19:52.981
- MUSIC THAT WILL KEEP GOING, AND IT WON'T JUST
- 00:19:53.048 --> 00:19:53.882
- GOING, AND IT WON'T JUST ALL BE VERTICAL.
- 00:19:53.949 --> 00:19:54.783
- ALL BE VERTICAL. THERE'S GONNA BE-- IT'S
- 00:19:54.850 --> 00:19:56.118
- THERE'S GONNA BE-- IT'S ONE OF THE LANGUAGES OF
- 00:19:56.184 --> 00:19:57.386
- ONE OF THE LANGUAGES OF HOW WE RELATE TO EACH
- 00:19:57.452 --> 00:19:58.320
- HOW WE RELATE TO EACH OTHER, AND IF SOMETHING
- 00:19:58.387 --> 00:19:58.920
- OTHER, AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, LIKE, THE GREAT
- 00:19:58.987 --> 00:20:00.122
- HAPPENS, LIKE, THE GREAT RENAISSANCE PERIOD, WHERE,
- 00:20:00.188 --> 00:20:01.623
- RENAISSANCE PERIOD, WHERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, IDEAS
- 00:20:01.690 --> 00:20:04.126
- ALL OF A SUDDEN, IDEAS THAT THE CHURCH WOULDN'T
- 00:20:04.192 --> 00:20:05.260
- THAT THE CHURCH WOULDN'T SHARE AND GOVERNMENT
- 00:20:05.327 --> 00:20:05.861
- SHARE AND GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T SHARE AND
- 00:20:05.927 --> 00:20:06.795
- WOULDN'T SHARE AND EDUCATION WOULDN'T SHARE,
- 00:20:06.862 --> 00:20:08.096
- EDUCATION WOULDN'T SHARE, IT CAME OUT IN THE ARTS
- 00:20:08.163 --> 00:20:09.331
- IT CAME OUT IN THE ARTS AND MOVED CULTURE FORWARD
- 00:20:09.398 --> 00:20:09.898
- AND MOVED CULTURE FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE ARTS.
- 00:20:09.965 --> 00:20:10.832
- BECAUSE OF THE ARTS. LITERATURE AND ARTS AND
- 00:20:10.899 --> 00:20:12.267
- LITERATURE AND ARTS AND SCIENCE MOVED THE WORLD
- 00:20:12.334 --> 00:20:13.302
- SCIENCE MOVED THE WORLD FORWARD BECAUSE THE
- 00:20:13.368 --> 00:20:14.870
- FORWARD BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE OR
- 00:20:14.936 --> 00:20:15.470
- GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE OR THE CHURCH STRUCTURE
- 00:20:15.537 --> 00:20:16.471
- THE CHURCH STRUCTURE WASN'T WILLING TO GO THERE
- 00:20:16.538 --> 00:20:17.039
- WASN'T WILLING TO GO THERE YET, AND SO THE CHURCH
- 00:20:17.105 --> 00:20:18.006
- YET, AND SO THE CHURCH SOMETIMES WILL PREACH A
- 00:20:18.073 --> 00:20:19.841
- SOMETIMES WILL PREACH A THOUSAND MESSAGES IN
- 00:20:19.908 --> 00:20:21.143
- THOUSAND MESSAGES IN SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T
- 00:20:21.209 --> 00:20:22.444
- SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T GO DEEP INTO THE HEART
- 00:20:22.511 --> 00:20:22.978
- GO DEEP INTO THE HEART UNTIL IT'S SEEN IN THE
- 00:20:23.045 --> 00:20:25.247
- UNTIL IT'S SEEN IN THE ARTISTIC FORM WHERE, ALL
- 00:20:25.314 --> 00:20:25.847
- ARTISTIC FORM WHERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL OF
- 00:20:25.914 --> 00:20:26.648
- OF A SUDDEN, ALL OF CULTURE CAN CELEBRATE
- 00:20:26.715 --> 00:20:27.549
- CULTURE CAN CELEBRATE THIS.
- 00:20:27.616 --> 00:20:28.050
- THIS. AND I THINK OF, YOU KNOW,
- 00:20:28.116 --> 00:20:29.284
- AND I THINK OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S-- WE'RE REALLY
- 00:20:29.351 --> 00:20:30.419
- THERE'S-- WE'RE REALLY GOOD ABOUT PREACHING
- 00:20:30.485 --> 00:20:31.286
- GOOD ABOUT PREACHING AGAINST WHAT WE HATE,
- 00:20:31.353 --> 00:20:31.887
- AGAINST WHAT WE HATE, WHICH IS GOOD THAT WE KNOW
- 00:20:31.953 --> 00:20:33.655
- WHICH IS GOOD THAT WE KNOW HOW TO PREACH AGAINST WHAT
- 00:20:33.722 --> 00:20:34.222
- HOW TO PREACH AGAINST WHAT WE HATE, BUT HAVE WE
- 00:20:34.289 --> 00:20:35.257
- WE HATE, BUT HAVE WE IMPACTED AND CHANGED THE
- 00:20:35.324 --> 00:20:35.924
- IMPACTED AND CHANGED THE LEVEL AT ALL?
- 00:20:35.991 --> 00:20:37.592
- LEVEL AT ALL? AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK
- 00:20:37.659 --> 00:20:39.227
- AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK OF OTHER PEOPLE GROUPS WHO
- 00:20:39.294 --> 00:20:40.295
- OF OTHER PEOPLE GROUPS WHO PUT THEIR AGENDA IN SO
- 00:20:40.362 --> 00:20:41.296
- PUT THEIR AGENDA IN SO MANY FILMS AND TELEVISION
- 00:20:41.363 --> 00:20:42.464
- MANY FILMS AND TELEVISION SHOWS, AND SO THAT AGENDA
- 00:20:42.531 --> 00:20:43.598
- SHOWS, AND SO THAT AGENDA COME ACROSS VERY CLEARLY
- 00:20:43.665 --> 00:20:45.200
- COME ACROSS VERY CLEARLY NOW, BUT WE HAVEN'T PUT AN
- 00:20:45.267 --> 00:20:46.501
- NOW, BUT WE HAVEN'T PUT AN AGENDA OF, LIKE, LET'S
- 00:20:46.568 --> 00:20:47.602
- AGENDA OF, LIKE, LET'S SAY, IT'S ANTI-ABORTION.
- 00:20:47.669 --> 00:20:49.037
- SAY, IT'S ANTI-ABORTION. WE HAVEN'T SHOWN A LIFE OF
- 00:20:49.104 --> 00:20:50.238
- WE HAVEN'T SHOWN A LIFE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU KEEP
- 00:20:50.305 --> 00:20:51.340
- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU KEEP THE BABY THROUGH 50
- 00:20:51.406 --> 00:20:52.274
- THE BABY THROUGH 50 STORIES.
- 00:20:52.341 --> 00:20:54.209
- STORIES. LIKE, LET'S TELL 50 OF
- 00:20:54.276 --> 00:20:55.243
- LIKE, LET'S TELL 50 OF THOSE STORIES AND MOVIES
- 00:20:55.310 --> 00:20:56.178
- THOSE STORIES AND MOVIES THAT AREN'T JUST PREACHING
- 00:20:56.244 --> 00:20:57.045
- THAT AREN'T JUST PREACHING MOVIES BUT ARE BEAUTIFUL
- 00:20:57.112 --> 00:20:57.713
- MOVIES BUT ARE BEAUTIFUL STORIES OF THIS CHILD
- 00:20:57.779 --> 00:20:59.014
- STORIES OF THIS CHILD WHO'S NOW ALIVE AND WHAT
- 00:20:59.081 --> 00:21:00.115
- WHO'S NOW ALIVE AND WHAT THEY GET TO DO.
- 00:21:00.182 --> 00:21:01.016
- THEY GET TO DO. WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY-- WE
- 00:21:01.083 --> 00:21:02.117
- WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY-- WE OWE THE WORLD A DEBT OF
- 00:21:02.184 --> 00:21:03.418
- OWE THE WORLD A DEBT OF LOVE.
- 00:21:03.485 --> 00:21:04.186
- LOVE. THAT'S THE ONLY DEBT WE
- 00:21:04.252 --> 00:21:05.187
- THAT'S THE ONLY DEBT WE OWE THE WORLD, AND ONE OF
- 00:21:05.253 --> 00:21:06.254
- OWE THE WORLD, AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE COULD PAY IT
- 00:21:06.321 --> 00:21:07.189
- THE WAYS WE COULD PAY IT IS BY SHOWING WHAT A LIFE
- 00:21:07.255 --> 00:21:07.756
- IS BY SHOWING WHAT A LIFE IN GOD LOOKS LIKE,
- 00:21:07.823 --> 00:21:08.824
- IN GOD LOOKS LIKE, SOMETIMES WITHOUT USING
- 00:21:08.890 --> 00:21:10.158
- SOMETIMES WITHOUT USING THE WORDS "THE LIFE IN GOD."
- 00:21:10.225 --> 00:21:12.060
- THE WORDS "THE LIFE IN GOD." - BOBBY: YEAH, I MEAN,
- 00:21:12.127 --> 00:21:13.095
- - BOBBY: YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS SAD WHEN I THINK
- 00:21:13.161 --> 00:21:14.029
- IT IS SAD WHEN I THINK SOMETIMES ABOUT--
- 00:21:14.096 --> 00:21:15.464
- SOMETIMES ABOUT-- SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING,
- 00:21:15.530 --> 00:21:16.698
- SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, IT'S JUST, LIKE, YOU'RE
- 00:21:16.765 --> 00:21:18.100
- IT'S JUST, LIKE, YOU'RE NOT JUST SAYING, LIKE,
- 00:21:18.166 --> 00:21:18.900
- NOT JUST SAYING, LIKE, SOME OF THESE MOVIES AND
- 00:21:18.967 --> 00:21:19.968
- SOME OF THESE MOVIES AND MUSIC ARE NOT JUST
- 00:21:20.035 --> 00:21:20.669
- MUSIC ARE NOT JUST PERMISSIBLE.
- 00:21:20.736 --> 00:21:21.436
- PERMISSIBLE. WHAT IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY
- 00:21:21.503 --> 00:21:22.037
- WHAT IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY FROM GOD?
- 00:21:22.104 --> 00:21:22.637
- FROM GOD? LIKE, WHAT IF-- I DON'T
- 00:21:22.704 --> 00:21:23.772
- LIKE, WHAT IF-- I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT WHAT IF
- 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:24.673
- REALLY KNOW, BUT WHAT IF "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN"
- 00:21:24.740 --> 00:21:25.841
- "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN" IS FROM THE LORD SOMEHOW,
- 00:21:25.907 --> 00:21:27.142
- IS FROM THE LORD SOMEHOW, OR WHAT IF SOME OF THESE
- 00:21:27.209 --> 00:21:28.744
- OR WHAT IF SOME OF THESE MOVIES, GOD IS ACTUALLY IN
- 00:21:28.810 --> 00:21:30.345
- MOVIES, GOD IS ACTUALLY IN SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT
- 00:21:30.412 --> 00:21:32.080
- SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE ARE-- EVEN
- 00:21:32.147 --> 00:21:33.248
- WE ARE-- EVEN "LORD OF THE RINGS,"
- 00:21:33.315 --> 00:21:34.216
- "LORD OF THE RINGS," GOD'S IN "LORD OF THE RINGS,"
- 00:21:34.282 --> 00:21:34.850
- GOD'S IN "LORD OF THE RINGS," BUT WE CAN'T SEE IT
- 00:21:34.916 --> 00:21:36.084
- BUT WE CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY
- 00:21:36.151 --> 00:21:36.985
- BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY SEE THROUGH OUR TRAUMA?
- 00:21:37.052 --> 00:21:40.188
- SEE THROUGH OUR TRAUMA? AND AS I WAS LISTENING TO
- 00:21:40.255 --> 00:21:41.723
- AND AS I WAS LISTENING TO YOU TALK, I WAS THINKING
- 00:21:41.790 --> 00:21:43.158
- YOU TALK, I WAS THINKING ABOUT HOW, WHEN WE THINK
- 00:21:43.225 --> 00:21:43.859
- ABOUT HOW, WHEN WE THINK OF WHAT ARE THE GREATEST
- 00:21:43.925 --> 00:21:44.593
- OF WHAT ARE THE GREATEST WORKS OF ART OF ALL TIME,
- 00:21:44.659 --> 00:21:46.094
- WORKS OF ART OF ALL TIME, THOSE WERE THINGS THAT
- 00:21:46.161 --> 00:21:46.628
- THOSE WERE THINGS THAT USUALLY ARE COMING OUT OF
- 00:21:46.695 --> 00:21:49.097
- USUALLY ARE COMING OUT OF THE CHURCH WHEN YOU THINK
- 00:21:49.164 --> 00:21:50.098
- THE CHURCH WHEN YOU THINK OF SISTINE CHAPEL OR BACH,
- 00:21:50.165 --> 00:21:54.302
- OF SISTINE CHAPEL OR BACH, MY WORLD IS MUSIC, ESPECIALLY
- 00:21:54.369 --> 00:21:55.570
- MY WORLD IS MUSIC, ESPECIALLY WE STILL DO CLASSICAL
- 00:21:55.637 --> 00:21:56.071
- WE STILL DO CLASSICAL MUSIC IN OUR CHURCH.
- 00:21:56.138 --> 00:21:57.672
- MUSIC IN OUR CHURCH. - SHAWN: THAT'S AWESOME.
- 00:21:57.739 --> 00:21:58.240
- - SHAWN: THAT'S AWESOME. - BOBBY: AND, IF YOU ASK--
- 00:21:58.306 --> 00:21:59.374
- - BOBBY: AND, IF YOU ASK-- WE HAVE, LIKE, MULTIPLE GRAMMYS,
- 00:21:59.441 --> 00:22:00.509
- WE HAVE, LIKE, MULTIPLE GRAMMYS, MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
- 00:22:00.575 --> 00:22:02.310
- MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUNG IN THE MET AND
- 00:22:02.377 --> 00:22:03.478
- SUNG IN THE MET AND CARNEGIE HALL, AND LOTS OF
- 00:22:03.545 --> 00:22:05.347
- CARNEGIE HALL, AND LOTS OF VIOLINISTS AND CLASSICAL
- 00:22:05.414 --> 00:22:06.848
- VIOLINISTS AND CLASSICAL MUSICIANS.
- 00:22:06.915 --> 00:22:07.816
- MUSICIANS. IF YOU ASK MOST OF 'EM
- 00:22:07.883 --> 00:22:09.351
- IF YOU ASK MOST OF 'EM WHO'S THE GREATEST MUSICAL
- 00:22:09.418 --> 00:22:10.485
- WHO'S THE GREATEST MUSICAL COMPOSER OF ALL TIME,
- 00:22:10.552 --> 00:22:11.153
- COMPOSER OF ALL TIME, ALMOST ALL OF 'EM ARE
- 00:22:11.219 --> 00:22:11.953
- ALMOST ALL OF 'EM ARE GONNA SAY BACH,
- 00:22:12.020 --> 00:22:14.289
- GONNA SAY BACH, 'CAUSE HE WAS KIND OF THE
- 00:22:14.356 --> 00:22:15.157
- 'CAUSE HE WAS KIND OF THE FATHER OF ALL OF THAT,
- 00:22:15.223 --> 00:22:16.091
- FATHER OF ALL OF THAT, BUT HE WAS A CHURCH
- 00:22:16.158 --> 00:22:16.958
- BUT HE WAS A CHURCH ORGANIST AND WAS A LITTLE
- 00:22:17.025 --> 00:22:18.693
- ORGANIST AND WAS A LITTLE BIT OBSCURE.
- 00:22:18.760 --> 00:22:21.329
- BIT OBSCURE. I THINK HE'S FROM LEIPZIG,
- 00:22:21.396 --> 00:22:22.864
- I THINK HE'S FROM LEIPZIG, AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE
- 00:22:22.931 --> 00:22:23.398
- AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNEW HIM.
- 00:22:23.465 --> 00:22:23.865
- KNEW HIM. SO IT WAS, KIND OF, LIKE,
- 00:22:23.932 --> 00:22:25.500
- SO IT WAS, KIND OF, LIKE, AFTER HIS LIFE, ALL THIS
- 00:22:25.567 --> 00:22:26.435
- AFTER HIS LIFE, ALL THIS MUSIC WAS BEING DISCOVERED
- 00:22:26.501 --> 00:22:27.369
- MUSIC WAS BEING DISCOVERED AND KIND OF BECAME MORE
- 00:22:27.436 --> 00:22:28.503
- AND KIND OF BECAME MORE FAMOUS.
- 00:22:28.570 --> 00:22:29.004
- FAMOUS. HE WAS WELL KNOWN WHEN HE
- 00:22:29.070 --> 00:22:30.238
- HE WAS WELL KNOWN WHEN HE WAS ALIVE, BUT NOT LIKE,
- 00:22:30.305 --> 00:22:31.540
- WAS ALIVE, BUT NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF I UNDERSTAND
- 00:22:31.606 --> 00:22:32.974
- YOU KNOW, IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT-- I MIGHT BE A
- 00:22:33.041 --> 00:22:34.109
- IT RIGHT-- I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OFF ON THIS,
- 00:22:34.176 --> 00:22:35.444
- LITTLE BIT OFF ON THIS, BUT IT'S AMAZING TO THINK
- 00:22:35.510 --> 00:22:37.679
- BUT IT'S AMAZING TO THINK A CHURCH ORGANIST, YOU
- 00:22:37.746 --> 00:22:41.016
- A CHURCH ORGANIST, YOU KNOW, WAS WRITING MUSIC
- 00:22:41.082 --> 00:22:41.616
- KNOW, WAS WRITING MUSIC FOR GOD, WHO JUST LOVED
- 00:22:41.683 --> 00:22:42.484
- FOR GOD, WHO JUST LOVED GOD.
- 00:22:42.551 --> 00:22:43.351
- GOD. HE WAS VERY HUMBLE IN HIS
- 00:22:43.418 --> 00:22:43.985
- HE WAS VERY HUMBLE IN HIS CHURCH, JUST WROTE SOME OF
- 00:22:44.052 --> 00:22:44.753
- CHURCH, JUST WROTE SOME OF THE GREATEST PIECES OF
- 00:22:44.820 --> 00:22:45.654
- THE GREATEST PIECES OF MUSIC THAT HAVE BEEN
- 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:46.188
- MUSIC THAT HAVE BEEN UNSURPASSED NOW,
- 00:22:46.254 --> 00:22:47.189
- UNSURPASSED NOW, HUNDREDS OF YEARS LATER.
- 00:22:47.255 --> 00:22:48.590
- HUNDREDS OF YEARS LATER. - SHAWN: ABSOLUTELY,
- 00:22:48.657 --> 00:22:49.591
- - SHAWN: ABSOLUTELY, I JUST THINK THAT'S A
- 00:22:49.658 --> 00:22:52.127
- I JUST THINK THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE STUFF THAT
- 00:22:52.194 --> 00:22:52.694
- PICTURE OF THE STUFF THAT WE DO WITH GOD LASTS
- 00:22:52.761 --> 00:22:54.429
- WE DO WITH GOD LASTS AND HAS LEGACY TO IT
- 00:22:54.496 --> 00:22:55.964
- AND HAS LEGACY TO IT AND-- BUT THERE'S ALSO
- 00:22:56.031 --> 00:22:56.465
- AND-- BUT THERE'S ALSO THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED
- 00:22:56.531 --> 00:22:57.833
- THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK INTO THE CULTURE
- 00:22:57.899 --> 00:22:59.234
- TO SPEAK INTO THE CULTURE THROUGH THE POWER OF STORY
- 00:22:59.301 --> 00:23:00.202
- THROUGH THE POWER OF STORY OR SONG, OR SOMETIMES IT'S
- 00:23:00.268 --> 00:23:02.037
- OR SONG, OR SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, LIKE,
- 00:23:02.103 --> 00:23:02.938
- JUST A MATTER OF, LIKE, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO REST IN
- 00:23:03.004 --> 00:23:04.105
- ALLOWING PEOPLE TO REST IN THE FACT THAT-- AND THEN
- 00:23:04.172 --> 00:23:06.975
- THE FACT THAT-- AND THEN GIVE THEM THAT MOMENT OF
- 00:23:07.042 --> 00:23:07.509
- GIVE THEM THAT MOMENT OF ON THE SEVENTH DAY
- 00:23:07.576 --> 00:23:08.043
- ON THE SEVENTH DAY THEY RESTED.
- 00:23:08.109 --> 00:23:08.610
- THEY RESTED. CHRISTIANS, WE SHOULD BE
- 00:23:08.677 --> 00:23:10.912
- CHRISTIANS, WE SHOULD BE LEADERS IN THAT, NOT THE
- 00:23:10.979 --> 00:23:11.980
- LEADERS IN THAT, NOT THE ONES WHO ARE THE WORKAHOLICS.
- 00:23:12.047 --> 00:23:13.315
- ONES WHO ARE THE WORKAHOLICS. - BOBBY: AS I'M TALKING,
- 00:23:13.381 --> 00:23:13.982
- - BOBBY: AS I'M TALKING, I FEEL LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT
- 00:23:14.049 --> 00:23:14.749
- I FEEL LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT JUST PUT SOMETHING,
- 00:23:14.816 --> 00:23:15.484
- JUST PUT SOMETHING, KIND OF, ON MY HEART, AND
- 00:23:15.550 --> 00:23:16.485
- KIND OF, ON MY HEART, AND AS WE'RE TALKING, WHAT
- 00:23:16.551 --> 00:23:17.752
- AS WE'RE TALKING, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET
- 00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:18.720
- WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET ACROSS TO PEOPLE IS TO NOT
- 00:23:18.787 --> 00:23:19.688
- ACROSS TO PEOPLE IS TO NOT SEE THE WORLD THROUGH THIS
- 00:23:19.754 --> 00:23:21.056
- SEE THE WORLD THROUGH THIS DUALISTIC VIEW, RIGHT?
- 00:23:21.122 --> 00:23:21.756
- DUALISTIC VIEW, RIGHT? "SOME THINGS ARE
- 00:23:21.823 --> 00:23:22.290
- "SOME THINGS ARE SPIRITUAL, AND SOME THINGS
- 00:23:22.357 --> 00:23:23.558
- SPIRITUAL, AND SOME THINGS ARE WORLDLY, AND I ONLY DO
- 00:23:23.625 --> 00:23:24.092
- ARE WORLDLY, AND I ONLY DO SPIRITUAL THINGS."
- 00:23:24.159 --> 00:23:25.727
- SPIRITUAL THINGS." AND THEN I JUST WAS FEELING
- 00:23:25.794 --> 00:23:26.661
- AND THEN I JUST WAS FEELING LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT
- 00:23:26.728 --> 00:23:27.696
- LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW,
- 00:23:27.762 --> 00:23:30.031
- ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW, WHO JUST-- THEY'RE, LIKE,
- 00:23:30.098 --> 00:23:31.867
- WHO JUST-- THEY'RE, LIKE, ALMOST ABOUT TO TURN OFF.
- 00:23:31.933 --> 00:23:32.868
- ALMOST ABOUT TO TURN OFF. LIKE, THEY'RE JUST--
- 00:23:32.934 --> 00:23:33.502
- LIKE, THEY'RE JUST-- THEY'RE, LIKE, NOT INTO IT.
- 00:23:33.568 --> 00:23:34.803
- THEY'RE, LIKE, NOT INTO IT. THEY'RE LIKE, "IT'S FINE,
- 00:23:34.870 --> 00:23:35.370
- THEY'RE LIKE, "IT'S FINE, WHATEVER, SHAWN AND BOBBY.
- 00:23:35.437 --> 00:23:36.371
- WHATEVER, SHAWN AND BOBBY. YOU GUYS CAN SAY WHAT YOU
- 00:23:36.438 --> 00:23:37.072
- YOU GUYS CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT."
- 00:23:37.138 --> 00:23:37.539
- WANT." BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT
- 00:23:37.606 --> 00:23:38.306
- BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THEIR KIDS AND HOW,
- 00:23:38.373 --> 00:23:39.140
- THEIR KIDS AND HOW, VERY OFTEN, WHEN YOU HAVE
- 00:23:39.207 --> 00:23:40.475
- VERY OFTEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS VIEW, YOU ARE
- 00:23:40.542 --> 00:23:41.943
- THIS VIEW, YOU ARE ACTUALLY IMPUTING-- YOU'RE
- 00:23:42.010 --> 00:23:45.914
- ACTUALLY IMPUTING-- YOU'RE TAKING THIS PIOUS VIEW OF
- 00:23:45.981 --> 00:23:47.082
- TAKING THIS PIOUS VIEW OF LIFE AND PUTTING IT ON
- 00:23:47.148 --> 00:23:48.450
- LIFE AND PUTTING IT ON YOUR KIDS, WHO ARE MAYBE
- 00:23:48.517 --> 00:23:49.317
- YOUR KIDS, WHO ARE MAYBE TEENAGERS OR IN THEIR 20s,
- 00:23:49.384 --> 00:23:50.418
- TEENAGERS OR IN THEIR 20s, AND THERE'S A WEIRD WALL
- 00:23:50.485 --> 00:23:52.420
- AND THERE'S A WEIRD WALL NOW BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR
- 00:23:52.487 --> 00:23:53.922
- NOW BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR KIDS, WHERE YOUR KIDS WANT
- 00:23:53.989 --> 00:23:55.290
- KIDS, WHERE YOUR KIDS WANT THIS THING, BUT OUT OF A
- 00:23:55.357 --> 00:23:56.591
- THIS THING, BUT OUT OF A SENSE OF OBEDIENCE,
- 00:23:56.658 --> 00:23:57.359
- SENSE OF OBEDIENCE, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT OR--
- 00:23:57.425 --> 00:23:58.093
- THEY'RE NOT DOING IT OR-- AND YOU COULD BE A GUIDE
- 00:23:58.159 --> 00:24:01.530
- AND YOU COULD BE A GUIDE TO THEM ON HOW TO NAVIGATE
- 00:24:01.596 --> 00:24:02.964
- TO THEM ON HOW TO NAVIGATE THOSE THINGS WELL.
- 00:24:03.031 --> 00:24:06.001
- THOSE THINGS WELL. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
- 00:24:06.067 --> 00:24:06.935
- LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. WHAT DO YOU SAY?
- 00:24:07.002 --> 00:24:08.236
- WHAT DO YOU SAY? DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN
- 00:24:08.303 --> 00:24:09.437
- DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR PARENTING WHEN
- 00:24:09.504 --> 00:24:10.438
- ISSUE FOR PARENTING WHEN YOU THINK OF TEENAGERS,
- 00:24:10.505 --> 00:24:11.806
- YOU THINK OF TEENAGERS, COLLEGE STUDENTS?
- 00:24:11.873 --> 00:24:14.009
- COLLEGE STUDENTS? - SHAWN: NO, FOR LITTLE
- 00:24:14.075 --> 00:24:14.609
- - SHAWN: NO, FOR LITTLE KIDS, IT IS.
- 00:24:14.676 --> 00:24:15.577
- KIDS, IT IS. I MEAN, LIKE, THE
- 00:24:15.644 --> 00:24:16.344
- I MEAN, LIKE, THE REALITIES OF THE AVERAGE
- 00:24:16.411 --> 00:24:16.978
- REALITIES OF THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN FAMILY HOUSEHOLD
- 00:24:17.045 --> 00:24:18.280
- CHRISTIAN FAMILY HOUSEHOLD SPENDS, I THINK IT'S LIKE
- 00:24:18.346 --> 00:24:19.014
- SPENDS, I THINK IT'S LIKE FIVE TO SIX HOURS A DAY
- 00:24:19.080 --> 00:24:21.049
- FIVE TO SIX HOURS A DAY PER PERSON IN THE
- 00:24:21.116 --> 00:24:21.650
- PER PERSON IN THE HOUSEHOLD IN SOME SORT OF
- 00:24:21.716 --> 00:24:23.118
- HOUSEHOLD IN SOME SORT OF ENTERTAINMENT AND MEDIA,
- 00:24:23.184 --> 00:24:23.685
- ENTERTAINMENT AND MEDIA, WHETHER IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA,
- 00:24:23.752 --> 00:24:24.753
- WHETHER IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA, WHETHER IT'S MOVIES,
- 00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:25.687
- WHETHER IT'S MOVIES, TELEVISION, VIDEO GAMES,
- 00:24:25.754 --> 00:24:26.254
- TELEVISION, VIDEO GAMES, AND THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN
- 00:24:26.321 --> 00:24:27.622
- AND THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD, ACCORDING TO
- 00:24:27.689 --> 00:24:28.690
- HOUSEHOLD, ACCORDING TO THE BARNA GROUP, I THINK
- 00:24:28.757 --> 00:24:30.191
- THE BARNA GROUP, I THINK IT'S LIKE SEVEN MINUTES A
- 00:24:30.258 --> 00:24:31.726
- IT'S LIKE SEVEN MINUTES A DAY OR LESS, CHRISTIAN
- 00:24:31.793 --> 00:24:33.261
- DAY OR LESS, CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD IN PRAYER, SO
- 00:24:33.328 --> 00:24:33.795
- HOUSEHOLD IN PRAYER, SO THE-- AND THE CHRISTIAN
- 00:24:33.862 --> 00:24:34.596
- THE-- AND THE CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLDS WERE THE SAME
- 00:24:34.663 --> 00:24:35.830
- HOUSEHOLDS WERE THE SAME AS REGULAR HOUSEHOLDS,
- 00:24:35.897 --> 00:24:36.531
- AS REGULAR HOUSEHOLDS, AS FAR AS HOW MUCH
- 00:24:36.598 --> 00:24:37.065
- AS FAR AS HOW MUCH MEDIA WE CONSUME, SO
- 00:24:37.132 --> 00:24:37.866
- MEDIA WE CONSUME, SO PARENTS CAN, WHETHER
- 00:24:37.933 --> 00:24:40.635
- PARENTS CAN, WHETHER THEY'RE BEING RELIGIOUS
- 00:24:40.702 --> 00:24:41.503
- THEY'RE BEING RELIGIOUS AND THEY'RE SAYING,
- 00:24:41.570 --> 00:24:42.671
- AND THEY'RE SAYING, "YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS IN OUR
- 00:24:42.737 --> 00:24:43.738
- "YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS IN OUR HOUSE," OR
- 00:24:43.805 --> 00:24:44.306
- HOUSE," OR "THIS CAN'T BE A
- 00:24:44.372 --> 00:24:45.106
- "THIS CAN'T BE A PART OF US," OR
- 00:24:45.173 --> 00:24:45.707
- PART OF US," OR WHATEVER, "BECAUSE VIDEO
- 00:24:45.774 --> 00:24:46.374
- WHATEVER, "BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES ARE EVIL," OR
- 00:24:46.441 --> 00:24:47.375
- GAMES ARE EVIL," OR "THIS IS EVIL," OR THEY JUST
- 00:24:47.442 --> 00:24:47.976
- "THIS IS EVIL," OR THEY JUST SAY, "WE'RE NOT GONNA DO
- 00:24:48.043 --> 00:24:48.910
- SAY, "WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS KIND AND THIS KIND
- 00:24:48.977 --> 00:24:49.477
- THIS KIND AND THIS KIND AND THIS KIND,"
- 00:24:49.544 --> 00:24:50.478
- AND THIS KIND," AND THEY ENGAGE IT BY RULES
- 00:24:50.545 --> 00:24:51.613
- AND THEY ENGAGE IT BY RULES BUT NOT RELATIONSHIP,
- 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:52.380
- BUT NOT RELATIONSHIP, THEY MIGHT BE CAUSING
- 00:24:52.447 --> 00:24:53.582
- THEY MIGHT BE CAUSING REBELLION IN THEIR
- 00:24:53.648 --> 00:24:55.417
- REBELLION IN THEIR CHILDREN BECAUSE
- 00:24:55.483 --> 00:24:56.051
- CHILDREN BECAUSE THEIR CHILDREN ARE
- 00:24:56.117 --> 00:24:58.219
- THEIR CHILDREN ARE GOIN', "FUNDAMENTALLY,
- 00:24:58.286 --> 00:24:58.720
- GOIN', "FUNDAMENTALLY, THIS ISN'T WRONG MAYBE ON
- 00:24:58.787 --> 00:24:59.521
- THIS ISN'T WRONG MAYBE ON THIS THING, OR THIS THING
- 00:24:59.588 --> 00:25:00.655
- THIS THING, OR THIS THING ISN'T WRONG,"
- 00:25:00.722 --> 00:25:01.056
- ISN'T WRONG," BUT BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD,
- 00:25:01.122 --> 00:25:01.623
- BUT BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD, "THIS MIGHT ALL BE WRONG,"
- 00:25:01.690 --> 00:25:02.924
- "THIS MIGHT ALL BE WRONG," THAT OUR SALVATION'S AT STAKE,
- 00:25:02.991 --> 00:25:04.059
- THAT OUR SALVATION'S AT STAKE, "YOU'RE PUTTING THIS ON
- 00:25:04.125 --> 00:25:05.260
- "YOU'RE PUTTING THIS ON ME," AND IT'S NO LONGER
- 00:25:05.327 --> 00:25:06.561
- ME," AND IT'S NO LONGER ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP
- 00:25:06.628 --> 00:25:07.395
- ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.
- 00:25:07.462 --> 00:25:07.929
- WITH JESUS. "IT'S ABOUT RULES THAT I
- 00:25:07.996 --> 00:25:09.230
- "IT'S ABOUT RULES THAT I DON'T EVEN NEED TO FOLLOW."
- 00:25:09.297 --> 00:25:10.465
- DON'T EVEN NEED TO FOLLOW." AND IT'S PAUL'S ARGUMENT THAT,
- 00:25:10.532 --> 00:25:11.666
- AND IT'S PAUL'S ARGUMENT THAT, NOT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT,
- 00:25:11.733 --> 00:25:17.105
- NOT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, BUT EVERYTHING IS PERMISSIBLE,
- 00:25:17.172 --> 00:25:18.673
- BUT EVERYTHING IS PERMISSIBLE, AND WE WANNA DO THE THINGS
- 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:19.274
- AND WE WANNA DO THE THINGS THAT KEEP US IN THE LANE
- 00:25:19.341 --> 00:25:20.842
- THAT KEEP US IN THE LANE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
- 00:25:20.909 --> 00:25:22.677
- OF RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND WITH EACH OTHER, AND I
- 00:25:22.744 --> 00:25:23.244
- AND WITH EACH OTHER, AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO ERR ON
- 00:25:23.311 --> 00:25:24.646
- THINK PEOPLE WHO ERR ON THE RELIGIOUS SIDE, NOT
- 00:25:24.713 --> 00:25:25.580
- THE RELIGIOUS SIDE, NOT JUST THE FREEDOM SIDE BUT
- 00:25:25.647 --> 00:25:26.247
- JUST THE FREEDOM SIDE BUT THE RELIGIOUS SIDE ARE
- 00:25:26.314 --> 00:25:27.482
- THE RELIGIOUS SIDE ARE JUST AS BAD AS PEOPLE WHO
- 00:25:27.549 --> 00:25:28.049
- JUST AS BAD AS PEOPLE WHO ERR ON TAKING TOO MUCH
- 00:25:28.116 --> 00:25:28.883
- ERR ON TAKING TOO MUCH FREEDOM.
- 00:25:28.950 --> 00:25:29.417
- FREEDOM. IT'S GETTING TOO
- 00:25:29.484 --> 00:25:30.552
- IT'S GETTING TOO IMBALANCED BECAUSE PEOPLE
- 00:25:30.619 --> 00:25:32.120
- IMBALANCED BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO RELIGIOUS ARE
- 00:25:32.187 --> 00:25:33.922
- WHO ARE TOO RELIGIOUS ARE MISSING OUT ON WHAT GOD'S
- 00:25:33.989 --> 00:25:34.489
- MISSING OUT ON WHAT GOD'S DOING IN THE MIDDLE.
- 00:25:34.556 --> 00:25:35.557
- DOING IN THE MIDDLE. THEY'RE MISSING OUT ON
- 00:25:35.624 --> 00:25:36.057
- THEY'RE MISSING OUT ON INCREDIBLE STORIES THAT
- 00:25:36.124 --> 00:25:36.791
- INCREDIBLE STORIES THAT ARE BEING TOLD, INCREDIBLE
- 00:25:36.858 --> 00:25:37.759
- ARE BEING TOLD, INCREDIBLE MUSIC THAT CAN BE LISTENED
- 00:25:37.826 --> 00:25:38.793
- MUSIC THAT CAN BE LISTENED TO, INCREDIBLE SPORTS THAT
- 00:25:38.860 --> 00:25:39.327
- TO, INCREDIBLE SPORTS THAT ARE BEING PLAYED,
- 00:25:39.394 --> 00:25:40.328
- ARE BEING PLAYED, INCREDIBLE VACATIONS THEY
- 00:25:40.395 --> 00:25:40.895
- INCREDIBLE VACATIONS THEY COULD HAVE, INCREDIBLE
- 00:25:40.962 --> 00:25:41.863
- COULD HAVE, INCREDIBLE HOLIDAYS THEY COULD
- 00:25:41.930 --> 00:25:42.731
- HOLIDAYS THEY COULD ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE,
- 00:25:42.797 --> 00:25:43.531
- ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE, TRADITIONS WITH THEIR
- 00:25:43.598 --> 00:25:44.966
- TRADITIONS WITH THEIR FAMILIES WITH, AND THEY'RE
- 00:25:45.033 --> 00:25:45.900
- FAMILIES WITH, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY OPPRESSING OTHER
- 00:25:45.967 --> 00:25:47.502
- ACTUALLY OPPRESSING OTHER PEOPLE TOO, SO WHEN JESUS
- 00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:48.603
- PEOPLE TOO, SO WHEN JESUS WAS REBUKING THE PHARISEES
- 00:25:48.670 --> 00:25:50.205
- WAS REBUKING THE PHARISEES AND SAID, "NOT ONLY DO YOU
- 00:25:50.271 --> 00:25:50.772
- AND SAID, "NOT ONLY DO YOU KEEP YOUR EYES CLOSED, BUT
- 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:52.207
- KEEP YOUR EYES CLOSED, BUT YOU CLOSE EVERYONE ELSE'S
- 00:25:52.273 --> 00:25:52.774
- YOU CLOSE EVERYONE ELSE'S EYES TO HEAVEN,"
- 00:25:52.841 --> 00:25:54.509
- EYES TO HEAVEN," THERE'S THINGS IN THIS
- 00:25:54.576 --> 00:25:55.110
- THERE'S THINGS IN THIS WORLD THAT ARE NOT
- 00:25:55.176 --> 00:25:56.011
- WORLD THAT ARE NOT CARNAL THAT ARE GOD'S
- 00:25:56.077 --> 00:25:57.078
- CARNAL THAT ARE GOD'S THAT WE'RE KEEPING
- 00:25:57.145 --> 00:25:59.848
- THAT WE'RE KEEPING PEOPLE FROM VIEWING OR
- 00:25:59.914 --> 00:26:00.348
- PEOPLE FROM VIEWING OR BEING A PART OF BECAUSE OF
- 00:26:00.415 --> 00:26:01.316
- BEING A PART OF BECAUSE OF THE FEAR THAT WE MIGHT
- 00:26:01.383 --> 00:26:02.384
- THE FEAR THAT WE MIGHT BECOME UNHOLY, AND THAT,
- 00:26:02.450 --> 00:26:03.752
- BECOME UNHOLY, AND THAT, TO ME, IS LIKE THAT'S NOT
- 00:26:03.818 --> 00:26:05.153
- TO ME, IS LIKE THAT'S NOT A "FATHER OF ALL
- 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:07.088
- A "FATHER OF ALL THINGS"-BASED REALITY.
- 00:26:07.155 --> 00:26:10.258
- THINGS"-BASED REALITY. THAT'S A FEAR-BASED
- 00:26:10.325 --> 00:26:11.793
- THAT'S A FEAR-BASED REALITY, AND A LOT OF THIS
- 00:26:11.860 --> 00:26:12.394
- REALITY, AND A LOT OF THIS CAME FROM THE '70s AND '80s
- 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:14.462
- CAME FROM THE '70s AND '80s CHARISMATIC-PENTECOSTAL
- 00:26:14.529 --> 00:26:15.830
- CHARISMATIC-PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT WHERE THERE WAS
- 00:26:15.897 --> 00:26:16.431
- MOVEMENT WHERE THERE WAS SO MUCH DUALISM THEN,
- 00:26:16.498 --> 00:26:17.599
- SO MUCH DUALISM THEN, WHERE EVERYTHING COULD BE
- 00:26:17.666 --> 00:26:18.867
- WHERE EVERYTHING COULD BE EVIL, AND EVERY OBJECT IN
- 00:26:18.933 --> 00:26:19.634
- EVIL, AND EVERY OBJECT IN YOUR HOUSE YOU HAD TO PRAY
- 00:26:19.701 --> 00:26:20.268
- YOUR HOUSE YOU HAD TO PRAY OVER BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE
- 00:26:20.335 --> 00:26:21.002
- OVER BECAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE A DEMON.
- 00:26:21.069 --> 00:26:23.104
- A DEMON. AND SO, IF YOU BROUGHT
- 00:26:23.171 --> 00:26:24.005
- AND SO, IF YOU BROUGHT SOMEBODY WITH A BAD
- 00:26:24.072 --> 00:26:24.506
- SOMEBODY WITH A BAD PICTURE ON IT, IT COULD BE
- 00:26:24.572 --> 00:26:25.173
- PICTURE ON IT, IT COULD BE BAD, AND SO PEOPLE WERE
- 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:25.740
- BAD, AND SO PEOPLE WERE THROWING AWAY EVEN THE
- 00:26:25.807 --> 00:26:26.775
- THROWING AWAY EVEN THE BEST OF THE CHRISTIAN
- 00:26:26.841 --> 00:26:27.642
- BEST OF THE CHRISTIAN STUFF, LIKE WE SAID,
- 00:26:27.709 --> 00:26:29.010
- STUFF, LIKE WE SAID, C.S. LEWIS OR J.R.R. TOLKIEN.
- 00:26:29.077 --> 00:26:29.711
- C.S. LEWIS OR J.R.R. TOLKIEN. THEY WERE THROWING THAT
- 00:26:29.778 --> 00:26:30.545
- THEY WERE THROWING THAT AWAY BECAUSE THERE IS
- 00:26:30.612 --> 00:26:31.312
- AWAY BECAUSE THERE IS MAGIC IN THERE, BUT IT'S
- 00:26:31.379 --> 00:26:32.681
- MAGIC IN THERE, BUT IT'S FANTASY MAGIC, BUT
- 00:26:32.747 --> 00:26:33.148
- FANTASY MAGIC, BUT CHRISTIANS COULDN'T
- 00:26:33.214 --> 00:26:35.984
- CHRISTIANS COULDN'T SEPARATE THE DIFFERENCE
- 00:26:36.051 --> 00:26:36.518
- SEPARATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "THIS IS FANTASY,
- 00:26:36.584 --> 00:26:37.986
- BETWEEN "THIS IS FANTASY, AND THERE'S THE POWER OF
- 00:26:38.053 --> 00:26:38.520
- AND THERE'S THE POWER OF STORY WITHIN FANTASY," AND
- 00:26:38.586 --> 00:26:40.121
- STORY WITHIN FANTASY," AND "THIS IS REALITY," AND SO
- 00:26:40.188 --> 00:26:40.655
- "THIS IS REALITY," AND SO THEY PUT EVERYTHING IN
- 00:26:40.722 --> 00:26:42.123
- THEY PUT EVERYTHING IN THAT DUALISTIC VIEWPOINT
- 00:26:42.190 --> 00:26:42.624
- THAT DUALISTIC VIEWPOINT OF "IT'S ALL BAD."
- 00:26:42.691 --> 00:26:45.093
- OF "IT'S ALL BAD." - BOBBY: MM-HMM, YEAH, SO
- 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:45.627
- - BOBBY: MM-HMM, YEAH, SO I-- SO, OKAY, I REALIZED
- 00:26:45.694 --> 00:26:46.995
- I-- SO, OKAY, I REALIZED THAT ON THIS PARENT THING
- 00:26:47.062 --> 00:26:48.897
- THAT ON THIS PARENT THING STILL, 'CAUSE YOU'RE A
- 00:26:48.963 --> 00:26:50.265
- STILL, 'CAUSE YOU'RE A DAD, AND YOU HAVE YOUNGER
- 00:26:50.331 --> 00:26:50.832
- DAD, AND YOU HAVE YOUNGER KIDS.
- 00:26:50.899 --> 00:26:51.366
- KIDS. THEY'RE SIX AND EIGHT,
- 00:26:51.433 --> 00:26:52.500
- THEY'RE SIX AND EIGHT, RIGHT?
- 00:26:52.567 --> 00:26:53.668
- RIGHT? MY DAUGHTER'S TURNING 12.
- 00:26:53.735 --> 00:26:54.402
- MY DAUGHTER'S TURNING 12. I KNOW 100% SHE'S NOT
- 00:26:54.469 --> 00:26:56.104
- I KNOW 100% SHE'S NOT GONNA SEE THIS SHOW, SO I
- 00:26:56.171 --> 00:26:57.005
- GONNA SEE THIS SHOW, SO I CAN SAY THIS--
- 00:26:57.072 --> 00:26:57.772
- CAN SAY THIS-- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.507
- [LAUGHTER] I KNOW SHE WILL NOT WATCH
- 00:26:59.574 --> 00:27:00.775
- I KNOW SHE WILL NOT WATCH MY STUFF OR READ MY BOOKS
- 00:27:00.842 --> 00:27:02.143
- MY STUFF OR READ MY BOOKS OR ANY OF THAT, SO I'M
- 00:27:02.210 --> 00:27:03.211
- OR ANY OF THAT, SO I'M SAFE.
- 00:27:03.278 --> 00:27:05.380
- SAFE. I'VE REALIZED, YOU KNOW,
- 00:27:05.447 --> 00:27:06.347
- I'VE REALIZED, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I SPENT YEARS
- 00:27:06.414 --> 00:27:07.749
- MY WIFE AND I SPENT YEARS AS MISSIONARIES IN DOING
- 00:27:07.816 --> 00:27:08.783
- AS MISSIONARIES IN DOING SHORT-TERM MISSION TRIPS,
- 00:27:08.850 --> 00:27:10.385
- SHORT-TERM MISSION TRIPS, AND EVEN AS A PASTOR, I
- 00:27:10.452 --> 00:27:12.420
- AND EVEN AS A PASTOR, I THINK OF MYSELF MORE AS A
- 00:27:12.487 --> 00:27:13.621
- THINK OF MYSELF MORE AS A MISSIONARY, ESPECIALLY IN
- 00:27:13.688 --> 00:27:14.522
- MISSIONARY, ESPECIALLY IN A PLACE LIKE SOUTHERN
- 00:27:14.589 --> 00:27:16.157
- A PLACE LIKE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
- 00:27:16.224 --> 00:27:16.658
- CALIFORNIA. I FEEL LIKE A FOREIGNER IN
- 00:27:16.725 --> 00:27:17.759
- I FEEL LIKE A FOREIGNER IN A DISTANT LAND THAT HAS TO
- 00:27:17.826 --> 00:27:19.427
- A DISTANT LAND THAT HAS TO LEARN A LANGUAGE AND LEARN
- 00:27:19.494 --> 00:27:20.395
- LEARN A LANGUAGE AND LEARN THE CULTURE TO COMMUNICATE
- 00:27:20.462 --> 00:27:20.962
- THE CULTURE TO COMMUNICATE THE GOSPEL.
- 00:27:21.029 --> 00:27:21.596
- THE GOSPEL. I REALIZED A FEW WEEKS AGO
- 00:27:21.663 --> 00:27:23.832
- I REALIZED A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT, EVEN WITH MY KIDS, I
- 00:27:23.898 --> 00:27:25.500
- THAT, EVEN WITH MY KIDS, I NEED TO THINK ABOUT BEING
- 00:27:25.567 --> 00:27:27.502
- NEED TO THINK ABOUT BEING A MISSIONARY TO THEM AS
- 00:27:27.569 --> 00:27:29.237
- A MISSIONARY TO THEM AS WEIRD AS IT SOUNDS.
- 00:27:29.304 --> 00:27:30.438
- WEIRD AS IT SOUNDS. ON ONE HAND, I'M THEIR
- 00:27:30.505 --> 00:27:31.139
- ON ONE HAND, I'M THEIR FATHER, I LOVE THEM, I'M
- 00:27:31.206 --> 00:27:32.273
- FATHER, I LOVE THEM, I'M WITH THEM, I'M THERE, BUT
- 00:27:32.340 --> 00:27:33.608
- WITH THEM, I'M THERE, BUT THERE IS THIS
- 00:27:33.675 --> 00:27:34.843
- THERE IS THIS COMMUNICATING-- I CAN'T
- 00:27:34.909 --> 00:27:36.377
- COMMUNICATING-- I CAN'T JUST ASSUME THAT BY
- 00:27:36.444 --> 00:27:37.245
- JUST ASSUME THAT BY OSMOSIS OR EVEN BY JUST
- 00:27:37.312 --> 00:27:38.513
- OSMOSIS OR EVEN BY JUST TEACHING THEM PLAINLY
- 00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:40.115
- TEACHING THEM PLAINLY 'CAUSE, AS A MISSIONARY,
- 00:27:40.181 --> 00:27:41.483
- 'CAUSE, AS A MISSIONARY, IF YOU'RE TEACHING
- 00:27:41.549 --> 00:27:42.951
- IF YOU'RE TEACHING SOMEBODY IN A FOREIGN
- 00:27:43.017 --> 00:27:44.385
- SOMEBODY IN A FOREIGN LAND, YOU WOULDN'T TEACH
- 00:27:44.452 --> 00:27:45.620
- LAND, YOU WOULDN'T TEACH THEM PLAINLY RIGHT AWAY.
- 00:27:45.687 --> 00:27:46.121
- THEM PLAINLY RIGHT AWAY. YOU'D TELL THEM STORIES.
- 00:27:46.187 --> 00:27:47.322
- YOU'D TELL THEM STORIES. YOU'D EASE INTO IT.
- 00:27:47.388 --> 00:27:48.690
- YOU'D EASE INTO IT. YOU WOULDN'T GET UPSET IF
- 00:27:48.757 --> 00:27:50.091
- YOU WOULDN'T GET UPSET IF THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
- 00:27:50.158 --> 00:27:50.759
- THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. YOU WOULDN'T INSIST THAT
- 00:27:50.825 --> 00:27:54.329
- YOU WOULDN'T INSIST THAT THEY GET IT RIGHT AWAY.
- 00:27:54.395 --> 00:27:55.797
- THEY GET IT RIGHT AWAY. WITH OUR OWN KIDS, THERE
- 00:27:55.864 --> 00:27:56.598
- WITH OUR OWN KIDS, THERE IS THAT FEAR THAT THEY
- 00:27:56.664 --> 00:27:58.166
- IS THAT FEAR THAT THEY WON'T REALLY LOVE GOD OR
- 00:27:58.233 --> 00:28:00.535
- WON'T REALLY LOVE GOD OR THEY WON'T SEE WHAT YOU SEE;
- 00:28:00.602 --> 00:28:01.336
- THEY WON'T SEE WHAT YOU SEE; THEY'LL MISS OUT ON THE KINGDOM,
- 00:28:01.402 --> 00:28:03.071
- THEY'LL MISS OUT ON THE KINGDOM, SO YOU PRESS MORE,
- 00:28:03.138 --> 00:28:03.538
- SO YOU PRESS MORE, YOU'RE MORE INSISTENT,
- 00:28:03.605 --> 00:28:04.405
- YOU'RE MORE INSISTENT, AND I REALIZE,
- 00:28:04.472 --> 00:28:05.507
- AND I REALIZE, LIKE, WITH OUR KIDS, I
- 00:28:05.573 --> 00:28:06.808
- LIKE, WITH OUR KIDS, I HAVE TO BE A MISSIONARY TO
- 00:28:06.875 --> 00:28:08.143
- HAVE TO BE A MISSIONARY TO MY KIDS TOO, AND IF I
- 00:28:08.209 --> 00:28:11.780
- MY KIDS TOO, AND IF I CREATE THESE DUALISTIC
- 00:28:11.846 --> 00:28:13.448
- CREATE THESE DUALISTIC THINGS WHERE I'M LIKE,
- 00:28:13.515 --> 00:28:15.083
- THINGS WHERE I'M LIKE, "ARGH, YOU CAN'T PLAY
- 00:28:15.150 --> 00:28:17.685
- "ARGH, YOU CAN'T PLAY 'MINECRAFT,'" YOU KNOW?
- 00:28:17.752 --> 00:28:18.787
- 'MINECRAFT,'" YOU KNOW? [LAUGHTER]
- 00:28:18.853 --> 00:28:20.421
- [LAUGHTER] OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW?
- 00:28:20.488 --> 00:28:21.790
- OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW? "YOU HAVE TO DO
- 00:28:21.856 --> 00:28:23.024
- "YOU HAVE TO DO 'CHRISTIAN MINECRAFT,'"
- 00:28:23.091 --> 00:28:24.492
- 'CHRISTIAN MINECRAFT,'" IT CREATES A BARRIER BECAUSE
- 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:25.126
- IT CREATES A BARRIER BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHIN' WRONG WITH
- 00:28:25.193 --> 00:28:26.094
- THERE'S NOTHIN' WRONG WITH "MINECRAFT," YOU KNOW?
- 00:28:26.161 --> 00:28:26.561
- "MINECRAFT," YOU KNOW? IT CREATES A BARRIER
- 00:28:26.628 --> 00:28:27.929
- IT CREATES A BARRIER BETWEEN MY DAUGHTER AND ME.
- 00:28:27.996 --> 00:28:31.399
- BETWEEN MY DAUGHTER AND ME. SO HOW DO I LEARN TO PLAY
- 00:28:31.466 --> 00:28:32.767
- SO HOW DO I LEARN TO PLAY "MINECRAFT" WITH MY
- 00:28:32.834 --> 00:28:36.604
- "MINECRAFT" WITH MY DAUGHTER AND USE THAT IN A
- 00:28:36.671 --> 00:28:37.338
- DAUGHTER AND USE THAT IN A WAY TO TEACH THE GOSPEL
- 00:28:37.405 --> 00:28:37.872
- WAY TO TEACH THE GOSPEL LIKE A MISSIONARY?
- 00:28:37.939 --> 00:28:38.306
- LIKE A MISSIONARY? - SHAWN: I LOVE THAT
- 00:28:38.373 --> 00:28:38.807
- - SHAWN: I LOVE THAT 'CAUSE IT REALLY IS THE
- 00:28:38.873 --> 00:28:41.342
- 'CAUSE IT REALLY IS THE ENGAGEMENT, AND I THINK A
- 00:28:41.409 --> 00:28:42.610
- ENGAGEMENT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT
- 00:28:42.677 --> 00:28:43.278
- LOT OF THE ENTERTAINMENT GROUPS THAT ARE CHRISTIAN
- 00:28:43.344 --> 00:28:43.845
- GROUPS THAT ARE CHRISTIAN GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE
- 00:28:43.912 --> 00:28:44.445
- GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE TEACH IT REALLY WELL.
- 00:28:44.512 --> 00:28:45.046
- TEACH IT REALLY WELL. THEY SAY, "DO MOVIE NIGHTS
- 00:28:45.113 --> 00:28:45.613
- THEY SAY, "DO MOVIE NIGHTS AS A FAMILY FROM THE TIME
- 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:46.214
- AS A FAMILY FROM THE TIME YOUR KIDS ARE LITTLE."
- 00:28:46.281 --> 00:28:47.248
- - BOBBY: AND WE WANNA
- 00:28:50.084 --> 00:28:50.485
- - BOBBY: AND WE WANNA CLARIFY THERE'S NOTHING
- 00:28:50.552 --> 00:28:51.019
- CLARIFY THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH CHRISTIAN
- 00:28:51.085 --> 00:28:51.519
- WRONG WITH CHRISTIAN STUFF, RIGHT?
- 00:28:51.586 --> 00:28:51.986
- STUFF, RIGHT? - SHAWN: YEAH, THERE'S
- 00:28:52.053 --> 00:28:52.520
- - SHAWN: YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH--
- 00:28:52.587 --> 00:28:54.656
- WE'RE JUST GIVING ROOM FOR
- 00:28:55.290 --> 00:28:55.790
- WE'RE JUST GIVING ROOM FOR PERMISSION FOR EVERYTHING
- 00:28:55.857 --> 00:28:56.357
- PERMISSION FOR EVERYTHING ELSE AS WELL.
- 00:28:56.424 --> 00:28:56.724
- ELSE AS WELL. THAT IS, NOT "EVERYTHING
- 00:28:56.791 --> 00:28:57.258
- THAT IS, NOT "EVERYTHING ELSE," BUT THE THINGS THAT
- 00:28:57.325 --> 00:28:59.227
- ELSE," BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE NORMAL, AND I FEEL
- 00:28:59.294 --> 00:28:59.727
- ARE NORMAL, AND I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE'S "NORMAL"
- 00:28:59.794 --> 00:29:01.629
- LIKE EVERYONE'S "NORMAL" IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AND
- 00:29:01.696 --> 00:29:02.197
- IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, AND WE ALL HAVE TO TRUST EACH
- 00:29:02.263 --> 00:29:03.131
- WE ALL HAVE TO TRUST EACH OTHER TO GUIDE OUR OWN
- 00:29:03.198 --> 00:29:05.033
- OTHER TO GUIDE OUR OWN FAITH JOURNEY.
- 00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:05.500
- FAITH JOURNEY. I'M AN ADULT; YOU'RE AN
- 00:29:05.567 --> 00:29:06.067
- I'M AN ADULT; YOU'RE AN ADULT, SO WE HAVE TO GUIDE
- 00:29:06.134 --> 00:29:06.901
- ADULT, SO WE HAVE TO GUIDE OUR OWN JOURNEY, AND IF I
- 00:29:06.968 --> 00:29:07.702
- OUR OWN JOURNEY, AND IF I PUT MY JOURNEY ON YOU,
- 00:29:07.769 --> 00:29:09.037
- PUT MY JOURNEY ON YOU, IT'S DIFFERENT, AND IT'LL
- 00:29:09.103 --> 00:29:10.438
- IT'S DIFFERENT, AND IT'LL BE CONTROLLING,
- 00:29:10.505 --> 00:29:12.507
- BE CONTROLLING, MANIPULATIVE, AND ALL
- 00:29:12.574 --> 00:29:13.074
- MANIPULATIVE, AND ALL THOSE THINGS, SO WE HAVE
- 00:29:13.141 --> 00:29:13.641
- THOSE THINGS, SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO DO
- 00:29:13.708 --> 00:29:14.576
- TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO DO THAT ANYMORE IN THE
- 00:29:14.642 --> 00:29:15.043
- THAT ANYMORE IN THE CHURCH, BUT WITH CHILDREN,
- 00:29:15.109 --> 00:29:15.844
- CHURCH, BUT WITH CHILDREN, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
- 00:29:15.910 --> 00:29:16.878
- IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE TO GUIDE THEM
- 00:29:16.945 --> 00:29:17.378
- WE HAVE TO GUIDE THEM THROUGH AN EXPERIENCE.
- 00:29:17.445 --> 00:29:17.979
- THROUGH AN EXPERIENCE. IF THEY HAVE A LOVE FOR
- 00:29:18.046 --> 00:29:19.314
- IF THEY HAVE A LOVE FOR VIDEO GAMES, WE SHOULDN'T
- 00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:19.881
- VIDEO GAMES, WE SHOULDN'T OPPRESS IT.
- 00:29:19.948 --> 00:29:20.949
- OPPRESS IT. WE SHOULD ENGAGE IT.
- 00:29:21.015 --> 00:29:21.683
- WE SHOULD ENGAGE IT. IF THEY HAVE A LOVE FOR
- 00:29:21.749 --> 00:29:22.217
- IF THEY HAVE A LOVE FOR MOVIES, WHICH MOST KIDS
- 00:29:22.283 --> 00:29:22.717
- MOVIES, WHICH MOST KIDS DO, OR LOVE FOR
- 00:29:22.784 --> 00:29:23.651
- DO, OR LOVE FOR ENTERTAINMENT OR MEDIA OR
- 00:29:23.718 --> 00:29:24.185
- ENTERTAINMENT OR MEDIA OR WHATEVER, I THINK ENGAGING
- 00:29:24.252 --> 00:29:25.687
- WHATEVER, I THINK ENGAGING IT-- LIKE, WE FEEL SO
- 00:29:25.753 --> 00:29:26.354
- IT-- LIKE, WE FEEL SO POWERLESS SOMETIMES, BUT,
- 00:29:26.421 --> 00:29:28.256
- POWERLESS SOMETIMES, BUT, I MEAN, JUST ONE MOVIE
- 00:29:28.323 --> 00:29:29.090
- I MEAN, JUST ONE MOVIE NIGHT EVERY TWO WEEKS WITH
- 00:29:29.157 --> 00:29:30.558
- NIGHT EVERY TWO WEEKS WITH YOUR KIDS, TALK ABOUT THE
- 00:29:30.625 --> 00:29:33.161
- YOUR KIDS, TALK ABOUT THE MOVIE, MAYBE EVEN WATCH
- 00:29:33.228 --> 00:29:33.695
- MOVIE, MAYBE EVEN WATCH ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE
- 00:29:33.761 --> 00:29:34.295
- ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE MOVIES AND WATCH ONE OF
- 00:29:34.362 --> 00:29:35.663
- MOVIES AND WATCH ONE OF THEIR FAVORITE MOVIES AND
- 00:29:35.730 --> 00:29:36.231
- THEIR FAVORITE MOVIES AND TALKING ABOUT "WHAT'D YOU
- 00:29:36.297 --> 00:29:36.798
- TALKING ABOUT "WHAT'D YOU LOVE ABOUT IT?
- 00:29:36.865 --> 00:29:37.699
- LOVE ABOUT IT? "WHAT'D YOU HATE ABOUT IT?"
- 00:29:37.765 --> 00:29:39.334
- "WHAT'D YOU HATE ABOUT IT?" MY PARENTS DID IT WITH ME
- 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:39.901
- MY PARENTS DID IT WITH ME WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.
- 00:29:39.968 --> 00:29:40.401
- WHEN I WAS GROWING UP. I REMEMBER WE WENT AND SAW
- 00:29:40.468 --> 00:29:40.969
- I REMEMBER WE WENT AND SAW "THE GOONIES," WHICH I
- 00:29:41.035 --> 00:29:41.502
- "THE GOONIES," WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW ALMOST
- 00:29:41.569 --> 00:29:42.403
- DIDN'T REALIZE HOW ALMOST RATED-R MOVIE THAT WAS
- 00:29:42.470 --> 00:29:42.904
- RATED-R MOVIE THAT WAS UNTIL LATER.
- 00:29:42.971 --> 00:29:43.271
- UNTIL LATER. I HAD NO IDEA--
- 00:29:43.338 --> 00:29:43.671
- I HAD NO IDEA-- - BOBBY: I HAD THAT SAME
- 00:29:43.738 --> 00:29:44.305
- - BOBBY: I HAD THAT SAME EXPERIENCE.
- 00:29:44.372 --> 00:29:46.007
- EXPERIENCE. I HAD TO TURN IT OFF.
- 00:29:46.074 --> 00:29:47.175
- I HAD TO TURN IT OFF. - SHAWN: -- 'CAUSE IT
- 00:29:47.242 --> 00:29:47.675
- - SHAWN: -- 'CAUSE IT WAS, LIKE, ONE OF MY
- 00:29:47.742 --> 00:29:48.243
- WAS, LIKE, ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES, GROWING
- 00:29:48.309 --> 00:29:49.377
- FAVORITE MOVIES, GROWING UP, BUT I DIDN'T-- YOU
- 00:29:49.444 --> 00:29:49.878
- UP, BUT I DIDN'T-- YOU DON'T SEE IT ALL, BUT MY
- 00:29:49.944 --> 00:29:51.079
- DON'T SEE IT ALL, BUT MY PARENTS WERE LIKE, "OH, MY."
- 00:29:51.145 --> 00:29:52.280
- PARENTS WERE LIKE, "OH, MY." THEY ALMOST WALKED OUT,
- 00:29:52.347 --> 00:29:53.581
- THEY ALMOST WALKED OUT, LIKE, THREE TIMES,
- 00:29:53.648 --> 00:29:54.582
- LIKE, THREE TIMES, BUT THEY JUST KEPT US, AND
- 00:29:54.649 --> 00:29:55.950
- BUT THEY JUST KEPT US, AND WE WALKED OUT WITH, LIKE,
- 00:29:56.017 --> 00:29:57.285
- WE WALKED OUT WITH, LIKE, TREASURE-FINDING AND,
- 00:29:57.352 --> 00:29:58.219
- TREASURE-FINDING AND, LIKE, WITH ADVENTURE, AND
- 00:29:58.286 --> 00:29:59.354
- LIKE, WITH ADVENTURE, AND MY PARENTS WERE LIKE,
- 00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:00.421
- MY PARENTS WERE LIKE, "OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
- 00:30:00.488 --> 00:30:01.256
- "OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GOOD
- 00:30:01.322 --> 00:30:03.157
- LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GOOD AND THE BAD OF THE MOVIE.
- 00:30:03.224 --> 00:30:04.025
- AND THE BAD OF THE MOVIE. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE
- 00:30:04.092 --> 00:30:04.559
- WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE A
- 00:30:04.626 --> 00:30:05.193
- DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE A STORYWRITER?
- 00:30:05.260 --> 00:30:05.693
- STORYWRITER? WHAT WOULD YOU--"
- 00:30:05.760 --> 00:30:06.494
- WHAT WOULD YOU--" AND SO, WHEN WE LEARNED AND
- 00:30:06.561 --> 00:30:07.729
- AND SO, WHEN WE LEARNED AND DISCERNED-- AND THIS IS
- 00:30:07.795 --> 00:30:09.097
- DISCERNED-- AND THIS IS THE PART, DISCERNMENT IS
- 00:30:09.163 --> 00:30:10.331
- THE PART, DISCERNMENT IS THE GIFT FROM GOD TO KNOW
- 00:30:10.398 --> 00:30:11.165
- THE GIFT FROM GOD TO KNOW WHAT AFFECTS YOU WRONGLY
- 00:30:11.232 --> 00:30:11.699
- WHAT AFFECTS YOU WRONGLY ON THE INSIDE AND WHAT
- 00:30:11.766 --> 00:30:12.267
- ON THE INSIDE AND WHAT DOESN'T, TO KNOW WHAT
- 00:30:12.333 --> 00:30:14.068
- DOESN'T, TO KNOW WHAT GRIEVES YOUR HEART AND
- 00:30:14.135 --> 00:30:14.869
- GRIEVES YOUR HEART AND WHAT DOESN'T.
- 00:30:14.936 --> 00:30:15.536
- WHAT DOESN'T. YOUR DISCERNMENT DOESN'T
- 00:30:15.603 --> 00:30:16.204
- YOUR DISCERNMENT DOESN'T WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE
- 00:30:16.271 --> 00:30:17.372
- WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE ALWAYS THOUGH.
- 00:30:17.438 --> 00:30:19.374
- ALWAYS THOUGH. FOR SOMEONE SPIRITUAL IT DOES,
- 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.475
- FOR SOMEONE SPIRITUAL IT DOES, BUT MY DISCERNMENT, FOR ME,
- 00:30:20.541 --> 00:30:21.075
- BUT MY DISCERNMENT, FOR ME, IS DIFFERENT THAN MY
- 00:30:21.142 --> 00:30:22.810
- IS DIFFERENT THAN MY DISCERNMENT THAT I SHOULD
- 00:30:22.877 --> 00:30:24.812
- DISCERNMENT THAT I SHOULD USE FOR YOU, AND SO IF YOU
- 00:30:24.879 --> 00:30:25.380
- USE FOR YOU, AND SO IF YOU COME TO ME AND SAY, "HEY,
- 00:30:25.446 --> 00:30:26.114
- COME TO ME AND SAY, "HEY, I'M MAKING A BUSINESS
- 00:30:26.180 --> 00:30:26.614
- I'M MAKING A BUSINESS DECISION.
- 00:30:26.681 --> 00:30:26.981
- DECISION. WHAT DO YOU THINK I SHOULD
- 00:30:27.048 --> 00:30:27.849
- WHAT DO YOU THINK I SHOULD DO?"
- 00:30:27.916 --> 00:30:28.283
- DO?" AND I DON'T HAVE THAT
- 00:30:28.349 --> 00:30:28.883
- AND I DON'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE, AND I TRY AND
- 00:30:28.950 --> 00:30:29.984
- EXPERIENCE, AND I TRY AND USE MY DISCERNMENT, YOU'RE
- 00:30:30.051 --> 00:30:30.551
- USE MY DISCERNMENT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IT
- 00:30:30.618 --> 00:30:31.552
- GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IT AGAINST YOUR OWN
- 00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:32.020
- AGAINST YOUR OWN DISCERNMENT AND MAKE YOUR
- 00:30:32.086 --> 00:30:32.687
- DISCERNMENT AND MAKE YOUR CHOICE.
- 00:30:32.754 --> 00:30:33.154
- CHOICE. YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CHOICE
- 00:30:33.221 --> 00:30:34.989
- YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CHOICE I WOULD MAKE FOR YOU, OR
- 00:30:35.056 --> 00:30:35.790
- I WOULD MAKE FOR YOU, OR ELSE IT'S A CONTROL, OR
- 00:30:35.857 --> 00:30:37.225
- ELSE IT'S A CONTROL, OR IT'S YOU'RE BECOMING A
- 00:30:37.292 --> 00:30:38.693
- IT'S YOU'RE BECOMING A SUBSERVIENT DISCIPLE, AND
- 00:30:38.760 --> 00:30:39.961
- SUBSERVIENT DISCIPLE, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT JESUS
- 00:30:40.028 --> 00:30:40.995
- THAT'S NOT WHAT JESUS CREATED.
- 00:30:41.062 --> 00:30:42.163
- CREATED. HE CREATED EACH ONE OF US
- 00:30:42.230 --> 00:30:42.730
- HE CREATED EACH ONE OF US AS JUSTIFIED BY OUR OWN
- 00:30:42.797 --> 00:30:44.299
- AS JUSTIFIED BY OUR OWN FAITH.
- 00:30:44.365 --> 00:30:44.732
- FAITH. BUT MY DISCERNMENT IS A
- 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:45.500
- BUT MY DISCERNMENT IS A POWERFUL TOOL IN MY LIFE
- 00:30:45.566 --> 00:30:46.701
- POWERFUL TOOL IN MY LIFE TO SHOW ME, AND ALL OF US
- 00:30:46.768 --> 00:30:47.835
- TO SHOW ME, AND ALL OF US KNOW THOSE MOMENTS WHEN WE
- 00:30:47.902 --> 00:30:49.604
- KNOW THOSE MOMENTS WHEN WE WATCH NETFLIX FOR TOO
- 00:30:49.671 --> 00:30:50.571
- WATCH NETFLIX FOR TOO LONG, OR WE DID SOMETHING
- 00:30:50.638 --> 00:30:51.739
- LONG, OR WE DID SOMETHING TOO MUCH, OR WE BECAME TOO
- 00:30:51.806 --> 00:30:52.774
- TOO MUCH, OR WE BECAME TOO GREAT OF A FAN FOR SOME
- 00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:54.175
- GREAT OF A FAN FOR SOME TEAM, AND WE JUST CROSS
- 00:30:54.242 --> 00:30:54.742
- TEAM, AND WE JUST CROSS THE LINE WHERE WE'VE GIVEN
- 00:30:54.809 --> 00:30:56.511
- THE LINE WHERE WE'VE GIVEN SOME OF OUR IDENTITY AND
- 00:30:56.577 --> 00:30:57.578
- SOME OF OUR IDENTITY AND OUR TIME THAT BELONGS
- 00:30:57.645 --> 00:30:58.880
- OUR TIME THAT BELONGS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
- 00:30:58.947 --> 00:30:59.614
- SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE'RE OCCUPYING THAT SPACE
- 00:30:59.681 --> 00:31:01.716
- WE'RE OCCUPYING THAT SPACE FOR GOD AND FOR FAMILY AND
- 00:31:01.783 --> 00:31:03.117
- FOR GOD AND FOR FAMILY AND FOR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE
- 00:31:03.184 --> 00:31:04.786
- FOR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, AND WE'VE
- 00:31:04.852 --> 00:31:05.586
- IMPORTANT, AND WE'VE DISCERNED IT BECAUSE WE
- 00:31:05.653 --> 00:31:07.522
- DISCERNED IT BECAUSE WE CAN FEEL GRIEVED.
- 00:31:07.588 --> 00:31:08.289
- CAN FEEL GRIEVED. WE CAN FEEL LIKE, "THIS IS
- 00:31:08.356 --> 00:31:08.823
- WE CAN FEEL LIKE, "THIS IS LESS THAN, THIS IS EASIER,
- 00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:10.992
- LESS THAN, THIS IS EASIER, BUT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT
- 00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:11.859
- BUT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT GOD'S CALLED ME TO LIVE."
- 00:31:11.926 --> 00:31:12.460
- GOD'S CALLED ME TO LIVE." AND THAT DISCERNMENT
- 00:31:12.527 --> 00:31:13.428
- AND THAT DISCERNMENT SHOULD BE A GREAT TOOL.
- 00:31:13.494 --> 00:31:14.963
- SHOULD BE A GREAT TOOL. IT SHOULDN'T BRING, LIKE,
- 00:31:15.029 --> 00:31:16.030
- IT SHOULDN'T BRING, LIKE, A SENSE OF BAD GUILT BUT A
- 00:31:16.097 --> 00:31:17.632
- A SENSE OF BAD GUILT BUT A SENSE OF GREAT CONVICTION
- 00:31:17.699 --> 00:31:18.299
- SENSE OF GREAT CONVICTION THAT SAYS, "I HAVE TO DO
- 00:31:18.366 --> 00:31:19.767
- THAT SAYS, "I HAVE TO DO BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S
- 00:31:19.834 --> 00:31:20.368
- BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S MORE OF GOD HE WANTS TO
- 00:31:20.435 --> 00:31:20.902
- MORE OF GOD HE WANTS TO GIVE ME THAT THIS IS
- 00:31:20.969 --> 00:31:21.502
- GIVE ME THAT THIS IS OCCUPYING.
- 00:31:21.569 --> 00:31:22.203
- OCCUPYING. YOU KNOW, JOHN'S INTENT IS
- 00:31:22.270 --> 00:31:26.207
- YOU KNOW, JOHN'S INTENT IS "GIVE ME A LIFE THAT'S AN
- 00:31:26.274 --> 00:31:27.275
- "GIVE ME A LIFE THAT'S AN ABUNDANT LIFE," ABUNDANTLY
- 00:31:27.342 --> 00:31:27.842
- ABUNDANT LIFE," ABUNDANTLY MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.
- 00:31:27.909 --> 00:31:28.543
- MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. THE ENEMY'S COME TO STEAL,
- 00:31:28.609 --> 00:31:29.410
- THE ENEMY'S COME TO STEAL, KILL, AND DESTROY, BUT
- 00:31:29.477 --> 00:31:29.877
- KILL, AND DESTROY, BUT GOD'S GIVEN ME LIFE THAT
- 00:31:29.944 --> 00:31:31.612
- GOD'S GIVEN ME LIFE THAT WE SHOULD, AS CHRISTIANS,
- 00:31:31.679 --> 00:31:32.747
- WE SHOULD, AS CHRISTIANS, BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE
- 00:31:32.814 --> 00:31:33.348
- BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE WITH THINGS EVEN MORE THAN
- 00:31:33.414 --> 00:31:34.449
- WITH THINGS EVEN MORE THAN OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE WE
- 00:31:34.515 --> 00:31:35.583
- OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW TO DISCERN, AND
- 00:31:35.650 --> 00:31:37.285
- KNOW HOW TO DISCERN, AND AS WE DISCERN, WE GO,
- 00:31:37.352 --> 00:31:38.453
- AS WE DISCERN, WE GO, "I'M HAVIN' A GREAT TIME
- 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:39.320
- "I'M HAVIN' A GREAT TIME WATCHING THIS MOVIE,"
- 00:31:39.387 --> 00:31:39.821
- WATCHING THIS MOVIE," OR "I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME
- 00:31:39.887 --> 00:31:41.155
- OR "I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH MY SPORTS," OR "I'M
- 00:31:41.222 --> 00:31:41.656
- WITH MY SPORTS," OR "I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH
- 00:31:41.723 --> 00:31:42.223
- HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH THIS VACATION.
- 00:31:42.290 --> 00:31:44.659
- THIS VACATION. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE
- 00:31:44.726 --> 00:31:45.593
- I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO DO MORE WORKS TO BE
- 00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:46.094
- TO DO MORE WORKS TO BE LOVED BY GOD, ACCEPTED, OR
- 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:46.828
- LOVED BY GOD, ACCEPTED, OR TO BE GOOD."
- 00:31:46.894 --> 00:31:47.895
- TO BE GOOD." - BOBBY: I ALMOST WANT YOU
- 00:31:47.962 --> 00:31:48.496
- - BOBBY: I ALMOST WANT YOU TO SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE
- 00:31:48.563 --> 00:31:49.063
- TO SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE CRUX
- 00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:50.431
- I THINK THAT IS THE CRUX OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION
- 00:31:50.498 --> 00:31:51.366
- OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION WHERE WE'RE TALKING IS
- 00:31:51.432 --> 00:31:52.700
- WHERE WE'RE TALKING IS THIS WORD "DISCERNMENT."
- 00:31:52.767 --> 00:31:53.568
- THIS WORD "DISCERNMENT." I MEAN, THAT'S A CENTRAL
- 00:31:53.634 --> 00:31:54.635
- I MEAN, THAT'S A CENTRAL WORD TO YOUR MINISTRY.
- 00:31:54.702 --> 00:31:55.803
- WORD TO YOUR MINISTRY. YOU'RE VERY OFTEN
- 00:31:55.870 --> 00:31:56.938
- YOU'RE VERY OFTEN DISCERNING GOD'S VOICE FOR
- 00:31:57.005 --> 00:31:58.973
- DISCERNING GOD'S VOICE FOR CULTURE, FOR YOUR PERSONAL
- 00:31:59.040 --> 00:32:00.608
- CULTURE, FOR YOUR PERSONAL LIFE, FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR
- 00:32:00.675 --> 00:32:02.643
- LIFE, FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR FRIENDS, OR EVEN PEOPLE
- 00:32:02.710 --> 00:32:04.112
- FRIENDS, OR EVEN PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO
- 00:32:04.178 --> 00:32:05.480
- THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO HERE ON TBN, AND "DISCERNMENT"
- 00:32:05.546 --> 00:32:07.115
- HERE ON TBN, AND "DISCERNMENT" IS THE TOOL THAT--
- 00:32:07.181 --> 00:32:08.349
- IS THE TOOL THAT-- I THINK WITHOUT DISCERNMENT,
- 00:32:08.416 --> 00:32:10.952
- I THINK WITHOUT DISCERNMENT, THAT'S WHEN WE BECOME REALLY
- 00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:12.353
- THAT'S WHEN WE BECOME REALLY TEMPTED BY WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS
- 00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:13.688
- TEMPTED BY WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND LEGALISM BECAUSE IT'S TOO
- 00:32:13.755 --> 00:32:16.824
- AND LEGALISM BECAUSE IT'S TOO HARD SOMETIMES TO SORT OUT
- 00:32:16.891 --> 00:32:17.892
- HARD SOMETIMES TO SORT OUT "IS 'GOONIES' OKAY?
- 00:32:17.959 --> 00:32:21.896
- "IS 'GOONIES' OKAY? THEY JUST SAID THE 'F' WORD,
- 00:32:21.963 --> 00:32:23.097
- THEY JUST SAID THE 'F' WORD, BUT I SAW IT DO SOMETHING
- 00:32:23.164 --> 00:32:23.664
- BUT I SAW IT DO SOMETHING REALLY GOOD FOR MY KIDS,
- 00:32:23.731 --> 00:32:25.900
- REALLY GOOD FOR MY KIDS, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT--"
- 00:32:25.967 --> 00:32:31.339
- BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT--" AND SO IF YOU CAN DISCERN,
- 00:32:31.406 --> 00:32:32.173
- AND SO IF YOU CAN DISCERN, AND WHAT I EVEN HEARD
- 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:32.774
- AND WHAT I EVEN HEARD YOU SAY BEFORE IS THAT,
- 00:32:32.840 --> 00:32:33.374
- YOU SAY BEFORE IS THAT, WELL, FOR SOME, YOU
- 00:32:33.441 --> 00:32:34.642
- WELL, FOR SOME, YOU KNOW-- LIKE, LET'S NOT USE
- 00:32:34.709 --> 00:32:35.843
- KNOW-- LIKE, LET'S NOT USE "GOONIES," OKAY, BUT HOW ABOUT--
- 00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:36.477
- "GOONIES," OKAY, BUT HOW ABOUT-- [LAUGHTER]
- 00:32:36.544 --> 00:32:36.978
- [LAUGHTER] - SHAWN: JUST A LITTLE
- 00:32:37.045 --> 00:32:37.945
- - SHAWN: JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
- 00:32:38.012 --> 00:32:38.479
- BIT EASIER. - BOBBY: "LORD OF THE RINGS"
- 00:32:38.546 --> 00:32:39.113
- - BOBBY: "LORD OF THE RINGS" IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
- 00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:39.747
- IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, TOLKIEN WAS A
- 00:32:39.814 --> 00:32:43.184
- YOU KNOW, TOLKIEN WAS A COMMITTED CATHOLIC.
- 00:32:43.251 --> 00:32:44.285
- COMMITTED CATHOLIC. HE WORKED IN-- LIKE,
- 00:32:44.352 --> 00:32:45.920
- HE WORKED IN-- LIKE, "TOM BOMBADIL" IS PROBABLY
- 00:32:45.987 --> 00:32:46.487
- "TOM BOMBADIL" IS PROBABLY SUPPOSED TO BE A JESUS
- 00:32:46.554 --> 00:32:47.455
- SUPPOSED TO BE A JESUS KIND OF CHARACTER THAT
- 00:32:47.522 --> 00:32:47.955
- KIND OF CHARACTER THAT POPS IN.
- 00:32:48.022 --> 00:32:49.957
- POPS IN. HE WAS THIS AMAZING,
- 00:32:50.024 --> 00:32:50.458
- HE WAS THIS AMAZING, AND HE'S WORKING IN
- 00:32:50.525 --> 00:32:51.359
- AND HE'S WORKING IN ALL OF THESE VERY
- 00:32:51.426 --> 00:32:52.660
- ALL OF THESE VERY CHRISTIAN THEMES, AND FOR ME,
- 00:32:52.727 --> 00:32:53.694
- CHRISTIAN THEMES, AND FOR ME, PERSONALLY, WHEN I READ
- 00:32:53.761 --> 00:32:54.662
- PERSONALLY, WHEN I READ "LORD OF THE RINGS,"
- 00:32:54.729 --> 00:32:56.297
- "LORD OF THE RINGS," WHICH I LOVED READING
- 00:32:56.364 --> 00:32:57.665
- WHICH I LOVED READING THOSE BOOKS, IT DEFINITELY
- 00:32:57.732 --> 00:32:58.866
- THOSE BOOKS, IT DEFINITELY MAKES ME FEEL CLOSER TO GOD.
- 00:32:58.933 --> 00:33:00.334
- MAKES ME FEEL CLOSER TO GOD. LIKE, IT HELPS ME SEE,
- 00:33:00.401 --> 00:33:01.502
- LIKE, IT HELPS ME SEE, LIKE, GIVES YOU A
- 00:33:01.569 --> 00:33:03.304
- LIKE, GIVES YOU A CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW,
- 00:33:03.371 --> 00:33:05.106
- CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW, AS WEIRD AS THAT SOUNDS,
- 00:33:05.173 --> 00:33:06.307
- AS WEIRD AS THAT SOUNDS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A
- 00:33:06.374 --> 00:33:06.874
- EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FANTASY BOOK.
- 00:33:06.941 --> 00:33:07.308
- FANTASY BOOK. SO, BUT FOR SOMEBODY WHO
- 00:33:07.375 --> 00:33:07.842
- SO, BUT FOR SOMEBODY WHO CAME FROM WITCHCRAFT, IT'S
- 00:33:07.909 --> 00:33:09.010
- CAME FROM WITCHCRAFT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR HER.
- 00:33:09.077 --> 00:33:09.577
- PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR HER. - SHAWN: OR THAT JUST
- 00:33:09.644 --> 00:33:10.978
- - SHAWN: OR THAT JUST DOESN'T EVEN LIKE FANTASY.
- 00:33:11.045 --> 00:33:12.513
- DOESN'T EVEN LIKE FANTASY. IT TURNS THEM OFF.
- 00:33:12.580 --> 00:33:13.147
- IT TURNS THEM OFF. - BOBBY: ABSOLUTELY,
- 00:33:13.214 --> 00:33:13.614
- - BOBBY: ABSOLUTELY, AND SO OUR TEMPTATION
- 00:33:13.681 --> 00:33:14.549
- AND SO OUR TEMPTATION IS TO BE LIKE--
- 00:33:14.615 --> 00:33:15.783
- IS TO BE LIKE-- 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME
- 00:33:15.850 --> 00:33:18.219
- 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IS BAD FOR ALL
- 00:33:18.286 --> 00:33:20.188
- THINGS THAT IS BAD FOR ALL AND PERMISSIBLE FOR NONE,
- 00:33:20.254 --> 00:33:20.955
- AND PERMISSIBLE FOR NONE, BUT "LORD OF THE RINGS"
- 00:33:21.022 --> 00:33:22.423
- BUT "LORD OF THE RINGS" IS NOT ONE OF 'EM, BUT
- 00:33:22.490 --> 00:33:24.025
- IS NOT ONE OF 'EM, BUT "LORD OF THE RINGS" IS
- 00:33:24.092 --> 00:33:24.559
- "LORD OF THE RINGS" IS PROBABLY BAD FOR SOME
- 00:33:24.625 --> 00:33:26.327
- PROBABLY BAD FOR SOME PEOPLE, RIGHT?
- 00:33:26.394 --> 00:33:26.694
- PEOPLE, RIGHT? LIKE, SOME PEOPLE
- 00:33:26.761 --> 00:33:27.595
- LIKE, SOME PEOPLE SHOULDN'T PLAY
- 00:33:27.662 --> 00:33:30.164
- SHOULDN'T PLAY "LORD OF THE RINGS"--
- 00:33:30.231 --> 00:33:31.466
- "LORD OF THE RINGS"-- READ "LORD OF THE RINGS,"
- 00:33:31.532 --> 00:33:32.500
- READ "LORD OF THE RINGS," OR WATCH THE MOVIE,
- 00:33:32.567 --> 00:33:33.668
- OR WATCH THE MOVIE, AND SO DISCERNMENT IS,
- 00:33:33.734 --> 00:33:34.135
- AND SO DISCERNMENT IS, JUST, HAVING A OPEN,
- 00:33:34.202 --> 00:33:35.937
- JUST, HAVING A OPEN, INNOCENT HEART TO GOD,
- 00:33:36.003 --> 00:33:37.605
- INNOCENT HEART TO GOD, LIKE, "LORD, CAN--
- 00:33:37.672 --> 00:33:39.140
- LIKE, "LORD, CAN-- SHOULD I WATCH
- 00:33:39.207 --> 00:33:41.109
- SHOULD I WATCH 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN'?
- 00:33:41.175 --> 00:33:41.609
- 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN'? IS THIS OKAY?"
- 00:33:41.676 --> 00:33:43.311
- IS THIS OKAY?" AND TO SOME, HE'LL SAY,
- 00:33:43.377 --> 00:33:43.845
- AND TO SOME, HE'LL SAY, "YES," AND TO SOME, HE'LL
- 00:33:43.911 --> 00:33:44.412
- "YES," AND TO SOME, HE'LL SAY, "NO."
- 00:33:44.479 --> 00:33:44.779
- SAY, "NO." DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
- 00:33:44.846 --> 00:33:45.680
- DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? - SHAWN: I DO, AND I
- 00:33:45.746 --> 00:33:48.483
- - SHAWN: I DO, AND I THINK THAT DISCERNMENT, OR
- 00:33:48.549 --> 00:33:49.517
- THINK THAT DISCERNMENT, OR A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT
- 00:33:49.584 --> 00:33:50.051
- A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS NOT JUST IN AN
- 00:33:50.118 --> 00:33:50.485
- IS NOT JUST IN AN INTELLECTUAL, MENTAL WAY,
- 00:33:50.551 --> 00:33:51.052
- INTELLECTUAL, MENTAL WAY, BUT TO LOOK AT IN HOW
- 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:51.719
- BUT TO LOOK AT IN HOW THINGS AFFECT YOU LIKE
- 00:33:51.786 --> 00:33:53.087
- THINGS AFFECT YOU LIKE FOOD.
- 00:33:53.154 --> 00:33:54.789
- FOOD. YOU HAVE AN APPETITE FOR
- 00:33:54.856 --> 00:33:55.323
- YOU HAVE AN APPETITE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
- 00:33:55.389 --> 00:33:55.957
- CERTAIN THINGS. CERTAIN THINGS DON'T SIT
- 00:33:56.023 --> 00:33:56.491
- CERTAIN THINGS DON'T SIT WELL WITH YOU.
- 00:33:56.557 --> 00:33:56.891
- WELL WITH YOU. CERTAIN THINGS DON'T WORK
- 00:33:56.958 --> 00:33:57.658
- CERTAIN THINGS DON'T WORK FOR YOUR BODY, BUT JUST
- 00:33:57.725 --> 00:33:58.593
- FOR YOUR BODY, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE
- 00:33:58.659 --> 00:33:59.861
- BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE LACTOSE INTOLERANT DOESN'T
- 00:33:59.927 --> 00:34:00.628
- LACTOSE INTOLERANT DOESN'T MEAN I SHOULDN'T DRINK
- 00:34:00.695 --> 00:34:01.963
- MEAN I SHOULDN'T DRINK MILK, AND SO WE'RE ALL
- 00:34:02.029 --> 00:34:03.431
- MILK, AND SO WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT, AND SO MY
- 00:34:03.498 --> 00:34:04.132
- DIFFERENT, AND SO MY APPETITES AND WHAT I
- 00:34:04.198 --> 00:34:05.433
- APPETITES AND WHAT I WANT-- AND THERE'S A
- 00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:07.468
- WANT-- AND THERE'S A CARNAL APPETITE THAT WE
- 00:34:07.535 --> 00:34:08.002
- CARNAL APPETITE THAT WE HAVE TO CRUCIFY WITH
- 00:34:08.069 --> 00:34:09.737
- HAVE TO CRUCIFY WITH CHRIST, AND THERE'S A
- 00:34:09.804 --> 00:34:11.606
- CHRIST, AND THERE'S A NORMAL APPETITE, AND SO
- 00:34:11.672 --> 00:34:13.207
- NORMAL APPETITE, AND SO THERE'S CERTAIN MUSIC THAT
- 00:34:13.274 --> 00:34:14.208
- THERE'S CERTAIN MUSIC THAT I MIGHT LIKE THAT YOU
- 00:34:14.275 --> 00:34:15.209
- I MIGHT LIKE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE AND NEVER WILL
- 00:34:15.276 --> 00:34:15.776
- DON'T LIKE AND NEVER WILL DO ANYTHING FOR YOU IN
- 00:34:15.843 --> 00:34:16.310
- DO ANYTHING FOR YOU IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.
- 00:34:16.377 --> 00:34:16.978
- YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. THERE ARE CERTAIN WORSHIP
- 00:34:17.044 --> 00:34:17.712
- THERE ARE CERTAIN WORSHIP GENRES THAT I WILL LIKE
- 00:34:17.778 --> 00:34:18.980
- GENRES THAT I WILL LIKE THAT YOU WON'T LIKE.
- 00:34:19.046 --> 00:34:19.547
- THAT YOU WON'T LIKE. THERE ARE CERTAIN-- ALL
- 00:34:19.614 --> 00:34:20.681
- THERE ARE CERTAIN-- ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE
- 00:34:20.748 --> 00:34:21.616
- KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE SO DIFFERENT IN, AND SO WE
- 00:34:21.682 --> 00:34:22.783
- SO DIFFERENT IN, AND SO WE HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO LET
- 00:34:22.850 --> 00:34:23.351
- HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO LET EVERYBODY BE INDIVIDUAL,
- 00:34:23.417 --> 00:34:25.586
- EVERYBODY BE INDIVIDUAL, AND YOU ALWAYS KNOW THOSE
- 00:34:25.653 --> 00:34:26.154
- AND YOU ALWAYS KNOW THOSE CHURCHES THAT-- I MEAN, I
- 00:34:26.220 --> 00:34:27.622
- CHURCHES THAT-- I MEAN, I GO TO CHURCHES ALL-- I GO
- 00:34:27.688 --> 00:34:28.723
- GO TO CHURCHES ALL-- I GO TO SOME OF THE GREATEST
- 00:34:28.789 --> 00:34:29.557
- TO SOME OF THE GREATEST CHURCHES IN THE WORLD, SO,
- 00:34:29.624 --> 00:34:30.391
- CHURCHES IN THE WORLD, SO, LIKE, WHEN I SAY THIS,
- 00:34:30.458 --> 00:34:31.159
- LIKE, WHEN I SAY THIS, THIS IS NOT PICKING ON ANY
- 00:34:31.225 --> 00:34:32.426
- THIS IS NOT PICKING ON ANY ONE CHURCH, BUT YOU ALWAYS
- 00:34:32.493 --> 00:34:33.961
- ONE CHURCH, BUT YOU ALWAYS KNOW THOSE CHURCHES WHERE
- 00:34:34.028 --> 00:34:36.130
- KNOW THOSE CHURCHES WHERE EVERYBODY SOUNDS ALIKE, I
- 00:34:36.197 --> 00:34:37.198
- EVERYBODY SOUNDS ALIKE, I MEAN, DRESSES ALIKE,
- 00:34:37.265 --> 00:34:37.932
- MEAN, DRESSES ALIKE, SOUNDS ALIKE?
- 00:34:37.999 --> 00:34:38.399
- SOUNDS ALIKE? THEY SOUND LIKE THE PASTOR
- 00:34:38.466 --> 00:34:39.100
- THEY SOUND LIKE THE PASTOR OR THEY SOUND LIKE THE
- 00:34:39.167 --> 00:34:40.568
- OR THEY SOUND LIKE THE PASTOR'S WIFE, OR IF THE
- 00:34:40.635 --> 00:34:41.202
- PASTOR'S WIFE, OR IF THE WIFE IS THE PASTOR, THEY
- 00:34:41.269 --> 00:34:42.503
- WIFE IS THE PASTOR, THEY SOUND LIKE THAT, AND
- 00:34:42.570 --> 00:34:43.704
- SOUND LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE
- 00:34:43.771 --> 00:34:44.405
- THAT'S HOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TREAT MEDIA,
- 00:34:44.472 --> 00:34:47.341
- TREAT MEDIA, ENTERTAINMENT, REST, AND
- 00:34:47.408 --> 00:34:48.276
- ENTERTAINMENT, REST, AND YOU CAN FEEL SOMETHING'S
- 00:34:48.342 --> 00:34:49.744
- YOU CAN FEEL SOMETHING'S OFF IN THAT.
- 00:34:49.810 --> 00:34:51.479
- OFF IN THAT. IT FEELS CULTISH TO A LOT
- 00:34:51.546 --> 00:34:52.880
- IT FEELS CULTISH TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
- 00:34:52.947 --> 00:34:53.381
- OF PEOPLE. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE
- 00:34:53.447 --> 00:34:54.282
- I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE CULTISH, BUT IT FEELS
- 00:34:54.348 --> 00:34:55.149
- CULTISH, BUT IT FEELS CULTISH.
- 00:34:55.216 --> 00:34:55.816
- CULTISH. IT FEELS LIKE--
- 00:34:55.883 --> 00:34:56.250
- IT FEELS LIKE-- - BOBBY: FOR THE VISITOR.
- 00:34:56.317 --> 00:34:56.817
- - BOBBY: FOR THE VISITOR. - SHAWN: YEAH, IT FEELS
- 00:34:56.884 --> 00:34:57.852
- - SHAWN: YEAH, IT FEELS TO THE VISITOR, IT'S LIKE,
- 00:34:57.919 --> 00:34:58.719
- TO THE VISITOR, IT'S LIKE, "I DON'T FIT IN HERE
- 00:34:58.786 --> 00:34:59.820
- "I DON'T FIT IN HERE BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK LIKE
- 00:34:59.887 --> 00:35:00.388
- BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK LIKE THIS OR FEEL LIKE THIS,"
- 00:35:00.454 --> 00:35:01.322
- THIS OR FEEL LIKE THIS," AND JESUS NEVER MEANT
- 00:35:01.389 --> 00:35:02.490
- AND JESUS NEVER MEANT ANYTHING TO FEEL CLONED OR
- 00:35:02.557 --> 00:35:04.158
- ANYTHING TO FEEL CLONED OR REPLICATED.
- 00:35:04.225 --> 00:35:04.959
- REPLICATED. HE WANTED US TO NOT JUST
- 00:35:05.026 --> 00:35:07.128
- HE WANTED US TO NOT JUST BE LIKE LITTLE JESUSES OUT
- 00:35:07.195 --> 00:35:08.930
- BE LIKE LITTLE JESUSES OUT THERE WITH THAT-- OR THE,
- 00:35:08.996 --> 00:35:10.064
- THERE WITH THAT-- OR THE, YOU KNOW, LONG HAIR,
- 00:35:10.131 --> 00:35:10.965
- YOU KNOW, LONG HAIR, WHITE-LOOKING MAN WITH
- 00:35:11.032 --> 00:35:12.066
- WHITE-LOOKING MAN WITH BLUE EYES THAT WE ALL SEE.
- 00:35:12.133 --> 00:35:12.700
- BLUE EYES THAT WE ALL SEE. IT'S LIKE THERE'S THIS
- 00:35:12.767 --> 00:35:14.268
- IT'S LIKE THERE'S THIS IMAGE THAT WE GET OF WHAT
- 00:35:14.335 --> 00:35:15.203
- IMAGE THAT WE GET OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, AND
- 00:35:15.269 --> 00:35:15.770
- WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, AND HE'S LIKE, "NO, I CREATED
- 00:35:15.836 --> 00:35:16.470
- HE'S LIKE, "NO, I CREATED YOU TO BE COMPLETELY AS
- 00:35:16.537 --> 00:35:17.838
- YOU TO BE COMPLETELY AS DIFFERENT AS SNOWFLAKES."
- 00:35:17.905 --> 00:35:19.173
- DIFFERENT AS SNOWFLAKES." THAT'S WHY HE CREATED SO
- 00:35:19.240 --> 00:35:20.074
- THAT'S WHY HE CREATED SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, AND
- 00:35:20.141 --> 00:35:21.542
- MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, AND "I WANT YOU TO ENJOY YOUR
- 00:35:21.609 --> 00:35:22.610
- "I WANT YOU TO ENJOY YOUR DIFFERENCES, AND THE PART
- 00:35:22.677 --> 00:35:23.578
- DIFFERENCES, AND THE PART OF ME THAT'S INSIDE OF YOU
- 00:35:23.644 --> 00:35:24.879
- OF ME THAT'S INSIDE OF YOU THAT CAUSES THAT
- 00:35:24.946 --> 00:35:26.013
- THAT CAUSES THAT DIFFERENCE TO SHINE IS THE
- 00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:27.148
- DIFFERENCE TO SHINE IS THE PART OF ME THAT WILL
- 00:35:27.215 --> 00:35:28.082
- PART OF ME THAT WILL GLORIFY ME THE MOST."
- 00:35:28.149 --> 00:35:30.184
- GLORIFY ME THE MOST." AND WE'RE EACH SO UNIQUE,
- 00:35:30.251 --> 00:35:31.552
- AND WE'RE EACH SO UNIQUE, AND SOMETIMES, WHEN WE GO
- 00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:32.687
- AND SOMETIMES, WHEN WE GO AFTER RELIGION WITH A
- 00:35:32.753 --> 00:35:33.554
- AFTER RELIGION WITH A RELIGIOUS ATTITUDE,
- 00:35:33.621 --> 00:35:35.690
- NOT A RELATIONSHIP
- 00:35:37.425 --> 00:35:37.858
- NOT A RELATIONSHIP ATTITUDE BUT A RELIGIOUS
- 00:35:37.925 --> 00:35:38.993
- ATTITUDE BUT A RELIGIOUS WORKS, LEGALISTIC LAW
- 00:35:39.060 --> 00:35:39.527
- WORKS, LEGALISTIC LAW ATTITUDE, IT STRIPS US OF
- 00:35:39.594 --> 00:35:41.095
- ATTITUDE, IT STRIPS US OF THE BEAUTY OF THE CREATION
- 00:35:41.162 --> 00:35:42.463
- THE BEAUTY OF THE CREATION OF WHAT GOD PUT INSIDE OF US,
- 00:35:42.530 --> 00:35:44.165
- AND WHEN WE VIEW THE WORLD
- 00:35:45.066 --> 00:35:46.767
- AND WHEN WE VIEW THE WORLD THAT WAY, WE START TO
- 00:35:46.834 --> 00:35:48.769
- THAT WAY, WE START TO DEMONIZE AND VILLAINIZE
- 00:35:48.836 --> 00:35:49.303
- DEMONIZE AND VILLAINIZE WHAT GOD'S PUT ON THE
- 00:35:49.370 --> 00:35:49.837
- WHAT GOD'S PUT ON THE EARTH.
- 00:35:49.904 --> 00:35:50.271
- EARTH. NOW, SOMETIMES WE NEED TO.
- 00:35:50.338 --> 00:35:51.072
- NOW, SOMETIMES WE NEED TO. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
- 00:35:51.138 --> 00:35:52.406
- EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT
- 00:35:52.473 --> 00:35:53.708
- THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT THAT WE NEED TO
- 00:35:53.774 --> 00:35:55.109
- COMES OUT THAT WE NEED TO HOLD THE LINE, AND I AGREE
- 00:35:55.176 --> 00:35:56.577
- HOLD THE LINE, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THERE'S
- 00:35:56.644 --> 00:35:57.078
- WITH THAT, BUT THERE'S OTHER TIMES THAT WE DON'T
- 00:35:57.144 --> 00:35:58.012
- OTHER TIMES THAT WE DON'T NEED TO AND ESPECIALLY,
- 00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:58.512
- NEED TO AND ESPECIALLY, LIKE, WHEN YOUR KIDS GET
- 00:35:58.579 --> 00:35:59.814
- LIKE, WHEN YOUR KIDS GET INTO SOMETHING THAT
- 00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:00.414
- INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE REALLY PASSIONATE
- 00:36:00.481 --> 00:36:01.816
- THEY'RE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S A
- 00:36:01.882 --> 00:36:02.516
- ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S A SPORT OR A VIDEO GAME OR A
- 00:36:02.583 --> 00:36:04.952
- SPORT OR A VIDEO GAME OR A MOVIE GENRE OR A
- 00:36:05.019 --> 00:36:05.953
- MOVIE GENRE OR A PHOTOGRAPHY OR WHATEVER,
- 00:36:06.020 --> 00:36:06.487
- PHOTOGRAPHY OR WHATEVER, COOKING, YOU INVEST TIME
- 00:36:06.554 --> 00:36:07.555
- COOKING, YOU INVEST TIME AND SPACE FOR THAT.
- 00:36:07.622 --> 00:36:08.789
- AND SPACE FOR THAT. YOU MIGHT INVEST IN
- 00:36:08.856 --> 00:36:09.290
- YOU MIGHT INVEST IN COOKING CLASSES FOR SIX
- 00:36:09.357 --> 00:36:11.626
- COOKING CLASSES FOR SIX YEARS WITH YOUR CHILD, AND
- 00:36:11.692 --> 00:36:12.493
- YEARS WITH YOUR CHILD, AND YOU MIGHT BE GOING TO A
- 00:36:12.560 --> 00:36:13.427
- YOU MIGHT BE GOING TO A LOT OF SPORTS THAT YOU
- 00:36:13.494 --> 00:36:13.995
- LOT OF SPORTS THAT YOU DON'T WANNA GO TO OR DOES
- 00:36:14.061 --> 00:36:14.595
- DON'T WANNA GO TO OR DOES NOT FEED YOU, BUT THERE'S
- 00:36:14.662 --> 00:36:15.830
- NOT FEED YOU, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING IN ENGAGING THE
- 00:36:15.896 --> 00:36:17.031
- SOMETHING IN ENGAGING THE CULTURE OF WHO THEY ARE
- 00:36:17.098 --> 00:36:18.065
- CULTURE OF WHO THEY ARE AND DEVELOPING THEM THAT
- 00:36:18.132 --> 00:36:19.033
- AND DEVELOPING THEM THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT
- 00:36:19.100 --> 00:36:19.700
- YOU KNOW THAT THAT LEADERSHIP THAT'S DONE
- 00:36:19.767 --> 00:36:20.735
- LEADERSHIP THAT'S DONE THROUGH THAT SOCCER
- 00:36:20.801 --> 00:36:21.202
- THROUGH THAT SOCCER TOURNAMENT IS NOT BEING
- 00:36:21.269 --> 00:36:22.236
- TOURNAMENT IS NOT BEING DEVELOPED IN SUNDAY SCHOOL
- 00:36:22.303 --> 00:36:23.137
- DEVELOPED IN SUNDAY SCHOOL AT CHURCH BECAUSE GOD
- 00:36:23.204 --> 00:36:24.672
- AT CHURCH BECAUSE GOD DIDN'T MAKE IT A
- 00:36:24.739 --> 00:36:25.806
- DIDN'T MAKE IT A DEVELOPMENT CENTER FOR
- 00:36:25.873 --> 00:36:26.641
- DEVELOPMENT CENTER FOR THAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP
- 00:36:26.707 --> 00:36:28.109
- THAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT THAT SPORT DOES, AND
- 00:36:28.175 --> 00:36:29.744
- THAT THAT SPORT DOES, AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE
- 00:36:29.810 --> 00:36:31.212
- THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HONOR THAT THAT
- 00:36:31.279 --> 00:36:33.147
- NEED TO HONOR THAT THAT SPORT'S DOING IN THEIR
- 00:36:33.214 --> 00:36:33.814
- SPORT'S DOING IN THEIR CHARACTER FOR GOD AND FOR
- 00:36:33.881 --> 00:36:35.082
- CHARACTER FOR GOD AND FOR THEM AS A PERSON THAT WE
- 00:36:35.149 --> 00:36:35.616
- THEM AS A PERSON THAT WE CAN RECOGNIZE.
- 00:36:35.683 --> 00:36:36.117
- CAN RECOGNIZE. IT'S RECOGNIZABLE THAT THE
- 00:36:36.183 --> 00:36:37.084
- IT'S RECOGNIZABLE THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T DO IN THAT
- 00:36:37.151 --> 00:36:37.852
- CHURCH DOESN'T DO IN THAT SENSE OF THE FORMAL
- 00:36:37.918 --> 00:36:39.186
- SENSE OF THE FORMAL CHURCH, AND THAT'S OKAY.
- 00:36:39.253 --> 00:36:40.755
- CHURCH, AND THAT'S OKAY. - BOBBY: SO, GOING BACK
- 00:36:40.821 --> 00:36:41.922
- - BOBBY: SO, GOING BACK TO MY DAUGHTER-- AGAIN,
- 00:36:41.989 --> 00:36:43.824
- TO MY DAUGHTER-- AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO KEEP CIRCLING
- 00:36:43.891 --> 00:36:44.358
- I'M SORRY TO KEEP CIRCLING BACK, BUT IT JUST SEEMS,
- 00:36:44.425 --> 00:36:45.993
- BACK, BUT IT JUST SEEMS, LIKE, SO TRUE FOR A LOT OF
- 00:36:46.060 --> 00:36:47.995
- LIKE, SO TRUE FOR A LOT OF PARENTS, AND A LOT OF
- 00:36:48.062 --> 00:36:49.263
- PARENTS, AND A LOT OF PARENTS I'M TALKING TO,
- 00:36:49.330 --> 00:36:49.797
- PARENTS I'M TALKING TO, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED IN
- 00:36:49.864 --> 00:36:50.898
- YOU KNOW, CONCERNED IN TODAY'S AGE WITH ALL OF
- 00:36:50.965 --> 00:36:52.033
- TODAY'S AGE WITH ALL OF THE STUFF THAT'S
- 00:36:52.099 --> 00:36:53.434
- THE STUFF THAT'S AVAILABLE.
- 00:36:53.501 --> 00:36:53.934
- AVAILABLE. IT'S SO EASY TO NOT-- YOU
- 00:36:54.001 --> 00:36:55.303
- IT'S SO EASY TO NOT-- YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN I WAS A
- 00:36:55.369 --> 00:36:56.570
- KNOW, BACK WHEN I WAS A KID, IF YOU'RE WATCHING
- 00:36:56.637 --> 00:36:57.538
- KID, IF YOU'RE WATCHING SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TV,
- 00:36:57.605 --> 00:36:58.773
- SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TV, EVERYBODY CAN SEE 'CAUSE
- 00:36:58.839 --> 00:36:59.640
- EVERYBODY CAN SEE 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
- 00:36:59.707 --> 00:37:00.207
- IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING ROOM, BUT,
- 00:37:00.274 --> 00:37:05.379
- LIVING ROOM, BUT, TODAY, YOU HAVE, OFTEN,
- 00:37:05.446 --> 00:37:06.180
- TODAY, YOU HAVE, OFTEN, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR
- 00:37:06.247 --> 00:37:06.747
- YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR KID'S WATCHING ON THE
- 00:37:06.814 --> 00:37:07.248
- KID'S WATCHING ON THE IPAD.
- 00:37:07.315 --> 00:37:07.815
- IPAD. SO MY DAUGHTER, WE GO FOR
- 00:37:07.882 --> 00:37:08.382
- SO MY DAUGHTER, WE GO FOR THESE THINGS CALLED
- 00:37:08.449 --> 00:37:09.483
- THESE THINGS CALLED "MOON WALKS,"
- 00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:12.053
- "MOON WALKS," - SHAWN: SO SWEET.
- 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:13.020
- - SHAWN: SO SWEET. - BOBBY: AND THEY'RE AT NIGHT.
- 00:37:13.087 --> 00:37:14.455
- - BOBBY: AND THEY'RE AT NIGHT. JUST AFTER MY SON GOES TO
- 00:37:14.522 --> 00:37:15.256
- JUST AFTER MY SON GOES TO BED, WE'LL GO ON A LITTLE
- 00:37:15.323 --> 00:37:15.823
- BED, WE'LL GO ON A LITTLE WALK AROUND THE BLOCK AND
- 00:37:15.890 --> 00:37:16.724
- WALK AROUND THE BLOCK AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE DAY,
- 00:37:16.791 --> 00:37:17.258
- JUST TALK ABOUT THE DAY, AND I WILL OFTEN TRY TO
- 00:37:17.325 --> 00:37:18.826
- AND I WILL OFTEN TRY TO MAKE THAT A LEARNING
- 00:37:18.893 --> 00:37:19.260
- MAKE THAT A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
- 00:37:19.327 --> 00:37:19.960
- EXPERIENCE. USUALLY I TRY TO MAKE IT
- 00:37:20.027 --> 00:37:22.830
- USUALLY I TRY TO MAKE IT ABOUT THE LORD, YOU KNOW,
- 00:37:22.897 --> 00:37:23.931
- ABOUT THE LORD, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT
- 00:37:23.998 --> 00:37:25.232
- SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, OR
- 00:37:25.299 --> 00:37:26.467
- THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, OR WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE
- 00:37:26.534 --> 00:37:27.201
- WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE YOUR ENEMY OR SOMETHIN'
- 00:37:27.268 --> 00:37:27.735
- YOUR ENEMY OR SOMETHIN' LIKE THAT, AND I CAN TELL
- 00:37:27.802 --> 00:37:28.269
- LIKE THAT, AND I CAN TELL SOMETIMES SHE'S INTERESTED,
- 00:37:28.336 --> 00:37:28.869
- SOMETIMES SHE'S INTERESTED, AND SOMETIMES SHE'S NOT,
- 00:37:28.936 --> 00:37:34.408
- AND SOMETIMES SHE'S NOT, BUT ONCE WE START TALKING
- 00:37:34.475 --> 00:37:34.975
- BUT ONCE WE START TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING SHE'S INTO,
- 00:37:35.042 --> 00:37:35.876
- ABOUT SOMETHING SHE'S INTO, I CAN'T GET A WORD IN
- 00:37:35.943 --> 00:37:36.377
- I CAN'T GET A WORD IN EDGEWISE, YOU KNOW?
- 00:37:36.444 --> 00:37:37.211
- EDGEWISE, YOU KNOW? AND SO ONE THING SHE GOT
- 00:37:37.278 --> 00:37:38.746
- AND SO ONE THING SHE GOT INTO-- THIS REALLY FITS
- 00:37:38.813 --> 00:37:40.114
- INTO-- THIS REALLY FITS REALLY WELL IN WHAT WE'RE
- 00:37:40.181 --> 00:37:40.915
- REALLY WELL IN WHAT WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT.
- 00:37:40.981 --> 00:37:41.515
- TALKIN' ABOUT. IT'S SOMETHING I'VE NEVER
- 00:37:41.582 --> 00:37:42.583
- IT'S SOMETHING I'VE NEVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH
- 00:37:42.650 --> 00:37:45.152
- HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH BUT IS JAPANESE ANIME.
- 00:37:45.219 --> 00:37:45.653
- BUT IS JAPANESE ANIME. NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF
- 00:37:45.720 --> 00:37:47.088
- NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, IN THE PAST, IS THAT
- 00:37:47.154 --> 00:37:47.822
- THAT, IN THE PAST, IS THAT IT'S NOT GOOD.
- 00:37:47.888 --> 00:37:48.356
- IT'S NOT GOOD. LIKE, A LOT OF THE STUFF
- 00:37:48.422 --> 00:37:49.490
- LIKE, A LOT OF THE STUFF IS WEIRD OR IS OCCULTIC OR
- 00:37:49.557 --> 00:37:51.525
- IS WEIRD OR IS OCCULTIC OR THIS OR THAT, BUT IT'S NOT
- 00:37:51.592 --> 00:37:53.394
- THIS OR THAT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ONE ANIME.
- 00:37:53.461 --> 00:37:54.829
- REALLY ONE ANIME. IT'S JUST ONE SHOW IN
- 00:37:54.895 --> 00:37:56.097
- IT'S JUST ONE SHOW IN PARTICULAR, AND I COULD
- 00:37:56.163 --> 00:37:58.032
- PARTICULAR, AND I COULD TELL SHE REALLY WANTED TO
- 00:37:58.099 --> 00:37:59.066
- TELL SHE REALLY WANTED TO WATCH IT, AND SHE COULD
- 00:37:59.133 --> 00:38:02.169
- WATCH IT, AND SHE COULD TELL I-- I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
- 00:38:02.236 --> 00:38:03.137
- TELL I-- I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YELLOW, IF NOT RED,
- 00:38:03.204 --> 00:38:04.105
- LIKE, YELLOW, IF NOT RED, FLAGS GOIN' UP EVERYWHERE.
- 00:38:04.171 --> 00:38:05.106
- FLAGS GOIN' UP EVERYWHERE. SO I WATCHED THE SHOW
- 00:38:05.172 --> 00:38:06.374
- SO I WATCHED THE SHOW THERE, AND IT WAS TOTALLY
- 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:07.675
- THERE, AND IT WAS TOTALLY INNOCENT.
- 00:38:07.742 --> 00:38:08.075
- INNOCENT. I TALKED TO HER FRIEND'S
- 00:38:08.142 --> 00:38:09.944
- I TALKED TO HER FRIEND'S DAD WHO WAS WATCHING IT.
- 00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:10.711
- DAD WHO WAS WATCHING IT. HE'S LIKE, "NO, THIS ONE'S
- 00:38:10.778 --> 00:38:11.479
- HE'S LIKE, "NO, THIS ONE'S GOOD," SO-- AND IT WAS
- 00:38:11.545 --> 00:38:13.080
- GOOD," SO-- AND IT WAS WEIRD BECAUSE I WAS ABLE
- 00:38:13.147 --> 00:38:13.981
- WEIRD BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO-- IT'S REALLY ABOUT--
- 00:38:14.048 --> 00:38:15.149
- TO-- IT'S REALLY ABOUT-- IT'S FOR YOUNGER KIDS, YOU
- 00:38:15.216 --> 00:38:16.984
- IT'S FOR YOUNGER KIDS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ABOUT A KID
- 00:38:17.051 --> 00:38:18.386
- KNOW, AND IT'S ABOUT A KID IN SCHOOL AND HIM BEING
- 00:38:18.452 --> 00:38:20.121
- IN SCHOOL AND HIM BEING WEAK AND LEARNING TO BE A
- 00:38:20.187 --> 00:38:21.088
- WEAK AND LEARNING TO BE A HERO AND BE STRONG, AND
- 00:38:21.155 --> 00:38:23.357
- HERO AND BE STRONG, AND I'M LIKE-- MY DAUGHTER
- 00:38:23.424 --> 00:38:24.859
- I'M LIKE-- MY DAUGHTER JUST STARTED JUNIOR HIGH.
- 00:38:24.925 --> 00:38:25.459
- JUST STARTED JUNIOR HIGH. SHE'S GOING THROUGH ALL
- 00:38:25.526 --> 00:38:26.327
- SHE'S GOING THROUGH ALL THE SAME THINGS AS THIS
- 00:38:26.394 --> 00:38:27.194
- THE SAME THINGS AS THIS CHARACTER, AND SHE WASN'T
- 00:38:27.261 --> 00:38:28.596
- CHARACTER, AND SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BRIDGE TO THE TEN
- 00:38:28.662 --> 00:38:30.197
- ABLE TO BRIDGE TO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, BUT I WAS
- 00:38:30.264 --> 00:38:31.198
- COMMANDMENTS, BUT I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO HER ABOUT
- 00:38:31.265 --> 00:38:31.932
- ABLE TO TALK TO HER ABOUT GOD IN HER LIFE AND SCHOOL
- 00:38:31.999 --> 00:38:35.169
- GOD IN HER LIFE AND SCHOOL AND ALL THE STRESSES SHE'S
- 00:38:35.236 --> 00:38:35.736
- AND ALL THE STRESSES SHE'S FACING THROUGH THE STORY
- 00:38:35.803 --> 00:38:37.805
- FACING THROUGH THE STORY ABOUT THIS ANIME CHARACTER.
- 00:38:37.872 --> 00:38:40.408
- ABOUT THIS ANIME CHARACTER. IT'S HARD FOR ME.
- 00:38:40.474 --> 00:38:41.108
- IT'S HARD FOR ME. I'VE NEVER WATCHED ANIME.
- 00:38:41.175 --> 00:38:41.709
- I'VE NEVER WATCHED ANIME. I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DISTRUST
- 00:38:41.776 --> 00:38:43.310
- I'VE ALWAYS HAD A DISTRUST FOR IT, AND AFTER WATCHING
- 00:38:43.377 --> 00:38:45.179
- FOR IT, AND AFTER WATCHING A FEW OF THE EPISODES WITH
- 00:38:45.246 --> 00:38:45.746
- A FEW OF THE EPISODES WITH HER, IT WAS SOMETHING WE
- 00:38:45.813 --> 00:38:47.481
- HER, IT WAS SOMETHING WE GOT TO DO TOGETHER, BUT IT
- 00:38:47.548 --> 00:38:48.482
- GOT TO DO TOGETHER, BUT IT WAS ALSO I GOT TO BE,
- 00:38:48.549 --> 00:38:50.351
- WAS ALSO I GOT TO BE, LIKE, OKAY, I WAS JUMPING
- 00:38:50.418 --> 00:38:53.120
- LIKE, OKAY, I WAS JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.
- 00:38:53.187 --> 00:38:53.587
- TO CONCLUSIONS. I WAS TAKING-- YOU KNOW,
- 00:38:53.654 --> 00:38:54.522
- I WAS TAKING-- YOU KNOW, IT'D BE LIKE SAYING, YOU
- 00:38:54.588 --> 00:38:55.055
- IT'D BE LIKE SAYING, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY OTHER ART
- 00:38:55.122 --> 00:38:56.090
- KNOW, LIKE ANY OTHER ART PIECE, RIGHT?
- 00:38:56.157 --> 00:38:57.525
- PIECE, RIGHT? YOU JUST SAY, "IT'S ALL BAD,"
- 00:38:57.591 --> 00:38:58.659
- YOU JUST SAY, "IT'S ALL BAD," YOU KNOW, AND THIS WASN'T BAD.
- 00:38:58.726 --> 00:39:00.060
- YOU KNOW, AND THIS WASN'T BAD. IT WAS CLEARLY GOOD, AND
- 00:39:00.127 --> 00:39:00.628
- IT WAS CLEARLY GOOD, AND EVEN NOW, AS I'M TALKING,
- 00:39:00.694 --> 00:39:03.431
- EVEN NOW, AS I'M TALKING, I'M LIKE, "MAYBE GOD, OF
- 00:39:03.497 --> 00:39:04.331
- I'M LIKE, "MAYBE GOD, OF ALL THINGS, WAS USING--
- 00:39:04.398 --> 00:39:06.534
- ALL THINGS, WAS USING-- THIS IS JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO--
- 00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:09.236
- THIS IS JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO-- ANIME TO GIVE MY DAUGHTER A
- 00:39:09.303 --> 00:39:10.971
- ANIME TO GIVE MY DAUGHTER A STORY TO HELP ME
- 00:39:11.038 --> 00:39:11.839
- STORY TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S
- 00:39:11.906 --> 00:39:13.808
- UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S EXPERIENCING EMOTIONALLY
- 00:39:13.874 --> 00:39:14.475
- EXPERIENCING EMOTIONALLY IN A NEW SCHOOL.
- 00:39:14.542 --> 00:39:18.212
- IN A NEW SCHOOL. - SHAWN: THAT'S SO GOOD,
- 00:39:18.279 --> 00:39:19.213
- - SHAWN: THAT'S SO GOOD, AND THAT'S ROMANS 8:28.
- 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:19.713
- AND THAT'S ROMANS 8:28. - BOBBY: THAT'S IT.
- 00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:20.314
- - BOBBY: THAT'S IT. DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S AN
- 00:39:20.381 --> 00:39:20.881
- DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE?
- 00:39:20.948 --> 00:39:21.949
- EXAMPLE? - SHAWN: HE USES ALL
- 00:39:22.016 --> 00:39:22.450
- - SHAWN: HE USES ALL THINGS FOR THE GOOD OF
- 00:39:22.516 --> 00:39:24.051
- THINGS FOR THE GOOD OF THOSE WHO LOVE HIM, AND I
- 00:39:24.118 --> 00:39:24.618
- THOSE WHO LOVE HIM, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE
- 00:39:24.685 --> 00:39:25.386
- THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR HIM TO USE
- 00:39:25.453 --> 00:39:25.886
- LOOKING FOR HIM TO USE ALL.
- 00:39:25.953 --> 00:39:27.855
- ALL. - BOBBY: I GUESS WHAT I'M
- 00:39:27.922 --> 00:39:28.756
- - BOBBY: I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, SHAWN, IS IF, YOU
- 00:39:28.823 --> 00:39:29.323
- SAYING, SHAWN, IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF I LEAN ON ONE
- 00:39:29.390 --> 00:39:30.825
- KNOW, IF I LEAN ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, I TEND
- 00:39:30.891 --> 00:39:31.392
- SIDE OR THE OTHER, I TEND TO LEAN SOMETIMES MORE
- 00:39:31.459 --> 00:39:32.593
- TO LEAN SOMETIMES MORE TOWARDS THE LEGALISTIC
- 00:39:32.660 --> 00:39:35.162
- TOWARDS THE LEGALISTIC STUFF, ESPECIALLY IN MY
- 00:39:35.229 --> 00:39:35.696
- STUFF, ESPECIALLY IN MY PAST.
- 00:39:35.763 --> 00:39:36.497
- PAST. I JUST, I LOVE DEDICATION
- 00:39:36.564 --> 00:39:40.501
- I JUST, I LOVE DEDICATION OF THE GOSPEL.
- 00:39:40.568 --> 00:39:41.001
- OF THE GOSPEL. I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE
- 00:39:41.068 --> 00:39:42.136
- I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE SACRIFICE FOR THE LORD.
- 00:39:42.203 --> 00:39:44.271
- SACRIFICE FOR THE LORD. I LOVE THE IDEA OF
- 00:39:44.338 --> 00:39:45.506
- I LOVE THE IDEA OF "PAIN BRINGS US PROGRESS,"
- 00:39:45.573 --> 00:39:48.242
- "PAIN BRINGS US PROGRESS," YOU KNOW?
- 00:39:48.309 --> 00:39:48.909
- YOU KNOW? THERE'S A PART OF ME,
- 00:39:48.976 --> 00:39:49.743
- THERE'S A PART OF ME, LIKE, THAT DAVID GOGGINS
- 00:39:49.810 --> 00:39:51.579
- LIKE, THAT DAVID GOGGINS KIND OF WAY OF-- I DON'T
- 00:39:51.645 --> 00:39:52.546
- KIND OF WAY OF-- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHO THAT
- 00:39:52.613 --> 00:39:53.113
- KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS, BUT THIS, LIKE,
- 00:39:53.180 --> 00:39:54.181
- IS, BUT THIS, LIKE, MARATHON RUNNER WHO'S--
- 00:39:54.248 --> 00:39:55.583
- MARATHON RUNNER WHO'S-- YEAH, THERE'S JUST
- 00:39:55.649 --> 00:39:57.051
- YEAH, THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THAT LOVE
- 00:39:57.117 --> 00:39:58.185
- SOMETHING ABOUT THAT LOVE FOR DISCIPLINE AND THAT,
- 00:39:58.252 --> 00:39:59.954
- FOR DISCIPLINE AND THAT, FOR MY PERSONALITY, IS
- 00:40:00.020 --> 00:40:01.922
- FOR MY PERSONALITY, IS REALLY FITTING, SO IF I
- 00:40:01.989 --> 00:40:03.691
- REALLY FITTING, SO IF I HAD BEEN LIKE, "ANIME IS
- 00:40:03.757 --> 00:40:05.893
- HAD BEEN LIKE, "ANIME IS BAD, NO," INSTEAD OF BEING
- 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:07.561
- BAD, NO," INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE, "ALL RIGHT, HOLY
- 00:40:07.628 --> 00:40:08.829
- LIKE, "ALL RIGHT, HOLY SPIRIT, JUST, YOU KNOW,
- 00:40:08.896 --> 00:40:09.330
- SPIRIT, JUST, YOU KNOW, COME INTO THIS AND HELP ME
- 00:40:09.396 --> 00:40:10.865
- COME INTO THIS AND HELP ME SEE THAT, LIKE, REALLY--"
- 00:40:10.931 --> 00:40:11.866
- SEE THAT, LIKE, REALLY--" - SHAWN: I LOVE THAT
- 00:40:11.932 --> 00:40:12.566
- - SHAWN: I LOVE THAT 'CAUSE I'M JUST PRESENT
- 00:40:12.633 --> 00:40:13.501
- 'CAUSE I'M JUST PRESENT WITH YOUR CONNECTION WITH
- 00:40:13.567 --> 00:40:15.903
- WITH YOUR CONNECTION WITH YOUR DAUGHTER AND HOW
- 00:40:15.970 --> 00:40:17.371
- YOUR DAUGHTER AND HOW THAT'S HOW GOD IS WITH US.
- 00:40:17.438 --> 00:40:17.938
- THAT'S HOW GOD IS WITH US. LIKE, HE COMES INTO WHAT
- 00:40:18.005 --> 00:40:18.472
- LIKE, HE COMES INTO WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, AND
- 00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:19.006
- WE'RE INTERESTED IN, AND THAT'S HOW MOST PEOPLE
- 00:40:19.073 --> 00:40:19.607
- THAT'S HOW MOST PEOPLE FIND HIM.
- 00:40:19.673 --> 00:40:20.474
- FIND HIM. IT'S THAT MOST PEOPLE
- 00:40:20.541 --> 00:40:21.408
- IT'S THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET SAVED AT CHURCH
- 00:40:21.475 --> 00:40:22.776
- DON'T GET SAVED AT CHURCH UNLESS THEY GET-- OH,
- 00:40:22.843 --> 00:40:23.744
- UNLESS THEY GET-- OH, ACTUALLY I SHOULD SAY
- 00:40:23.811 --> 00:40:24.245
- ACTUALLY I SHOULD SAY THIS: MOST PEOPLE WHO YOU
- 00:40:24.311 --> 00:40:25.679
- THIS: MOST PEOPLE WHO YOU ASK TO CHURCH WILL GO TO--
- 00:40:25.746 --> 00:40:26.480
- ASK TO CHURCH WILL GO TO-- AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO
- 00:40:26.547 --> 00:40:28.249
- AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SAVED AS ADULTS ARE
- 00:40:28.315 --> 00:40:29.049
- ARE SAVED AS ADULTS ARE SAVED IN A CHURCH SERVICE,
- 00:40:29.116 --> 00:40:30.784
- SAVED IN A CHURCH SERVICE, BUT THE AVERAGE AGE OF
- 00:40:30.851 --> 00:40:31.852
- BUT THE AVERAGE AGE OF PEOPLE GETTING SAVED IS
- 00:40:31.919 --> 00:40:32.686
- PEOPLE GETTING SAVED IS 12, AND IT'S NOT THROUGH
- 00:40:32.753 --> 00:40:33.220
- 12, AND IT'S NOT THROUGH CHURCH SERVICES.
- 00:40:33.287 --> 00:40:34.088
- CHURCH SERVICES. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY
- 00:40:34.154 --> 00:40:36.156
- SO I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE GOD
- 00:40:36.223 --> 00:40:37.391
- INTERESTING BECAUSE GOD WANTS TO USE ALL THINGS TO
- 00:40:37.458 --> 00:40:38.626
- WANTS TO USE ALL THINGS TO SPEAK OF WHO HE IS, AND
- 00:40:38.692 --> 00:40:39.760
- SPEAK OF WHO HE IS, AND SOMETIMES, WHEN HE'S
- 00:40:39.827 --> 00:40:40.594
- SOMETIMES, WHEN HE'S SHARING WITH US WHO HE IS,
- 00:40:40.661 --> 00:40:42.296
- SHARING WITH US WHO HE IS, IT'S NOT DIRECT.
- 00:40:42.363 --> 00:40:44.665
- IT'S NOT DIRECT. IT'S INDIRECT, LIKE JESUS
- 00:40:44.732 --> 00:40:45.499
- IT'S INDIRECT, LIKE JESUS SHARED PARABLES THAT
- 00:40:45.566 --> 00:40:45.966
- SHARED PARABLES THAT WEREN'T SUPER-DIRECT, AT
- 00:40:46.033 --> 00:40:46.734
- WEREN'T SUPER-DIRECT, AT FIRST, BUT IT CAUSED THE
- 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:48.035
- FIRST, BUT IT CAUSED THE RESULT OF AN OWNERSHIP TO
- 00:40:48.102 --> 00:40:50.371
- RESULT OF AN OWNERSHIP TO SAY, "OH, I'LL LAY DOWN MY
- 00:40:50.437 --> 00:40:51.205
- SAY, "OH, I'LL LAY DOWN MY LIFE.
- 00:40:51.272 --> 00:40:52.640
- LIFE. I'LL LAY DOWN MY LIFE ON A
- 00:40:52.706 --> 00:40:53.941
- I'LL LAY DOWN MY LIFE ON A CROSS, AND I'LL PICK UP MY
- 00:40:54.008 --> 00:40:55.276
- CROSS, AND I'LL PICK UP MY CROSS AND FOLLOW YOU."
- 00:40:55.342 --> 00:40:56.110
- CROSS AND FOLLOW YOU." SO I JUST LOVE THAT YOU'RE SO
- 00:40:56.176 --> 00:40:57.344
- SO I JUST LOVE THAT YOU'RE SO PRESENT WITH YOUR DAUGHTER
- 00:40:57.411 --> 00:40:57.912
- PRESENT WITH YOUR DAUGHTER BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE
- 00:40:57.978 --> 00:40:59.246
- BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S-- YOU'RE DESCRIBING
- 00:40:59.313 --> 00:41:00.381
- THAT'S-- YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHAT I'M HOPING THE
- 00:41:00.447 --> 00:41:00.814
- WHAT I'M HOPING THE VIEWERS, WHAT I'M HOPING
- 00:41:00.881 --> 00:41:01.549
- VIEWERS, WHAT I'M HOPING YOU GUYS ARE EXPERIENCING
- 00:41:01.615 --> 00:41:02.616
- YOU GUYS ARE EXPERIENCING FROM, LIKE, WE DON'T WANNA
- 00:41:02.683 --> 00:41:06.120
- FROM, LIKE, WE DON'T WANNA THROW THE BABY OUT WITH
- 00:41:06.186 --> 00:41:07.288
- THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER, WHAT
- 00:41:07.354 --> 00:41:08.222
- THE BATHWATER, WHAT GOD'S DOING, AND IF
- 00:41:08.289 --> 00:41:08.722
- GOD'S DOING, AND IF YOU FIND YOURSELF, LIKE,
- 00:41:08.789 --> 00:41:10.190
- YOU FIND YOURSELF, LIKE, "I'M SUPER-SCARED OF THIS
- 00:41:10.257 --> 00:41:11.425
- "I'M SUPER-SCARED OF THIS CONVERSATION," THERE'S
- 00:41:11.492 --> 00:41:11.926
- CONVERSATION," THERE'S PROBABLY SOME AREAS THAT
- 00:41:11.992 --> 00:41:12.459
- PROBABLY SOME AREAS THAT NEED TO UNWIND IN YOU,
- 00:41:12.526 --> 00:41:13.827
- NEED TO UNWIND IN YOU, WHERE MAYBE YOU WERE
- 00:41:13.894 --> 00:41:15.362
- WHERE MAYBE YOU WERE TAUGHT A CERTAIN WAY, OR
- 00:41:15.429 --> 00:41:15.863
- TAUGHT A CERTAIN WAY, OR YOU WERE TAUGHT THAT
- 00:41:15.930 --> 00:41:17.364
- YOU WERE TAUGHT THAT DUALISTIC WAY, OR MAYBE
- 00:41:17.431 --> 00:41:18.999
- DUALISTIC WAY, OR MAYBE YOU WERE TAUGHT IN A
- 00:41:19.066 --> 00:41:19.433
- YOU WERE TAUGHT IN A CONTROLLED WAY, AND GOD
- 00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:20.501
- CONTROLLED WAY, AND GOD WANTS YOU TO HAVE FREEDOM,
- 00:41:20.568 --> 00:41:21.936
- WANTS YOU TO HAVE FREEDOM, BUT THAT FREEDOM ACTUALLY
- 00:41:22.002 --> 00:41:23.037
- BUT THAT FREEDOM ACTUALLY EQUALS MORE HOLINESS, NOT
- 00:41:23.103 --> 00:41:23.871
- EQUALS MORE HOLINESS, NOT LESS.
- 00:41:23.938 --> 00:41:24.638
- LESS. IT DOESN'T DECONSTRUCT
- 00:41:24.705 --> 00:41:25.706
- IT DOESN'T DECONSTRUCT YOUR FAITH.
- 00:41:25.773 --> 00:41:26.206
- YOUR FAITH. IT DOESN'T MAKE JESUS LESS
- 00:41:26.273 --> 00:41:27.241
- IT DOESN'T MAKE JESUS LESS THAN.
- 00:41:27.308 --> 00:41:27.908
- THAN. IT DOESN'T MAKE-- ALL
- 00:41:27.975 --> 00:41:28.842
- IT DOESN'T MAKE-- ALL THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT
- 00:41:28.909 --> 00:41:29.543
- THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT WE'RE AFRAID IS GONNA
- 00:41:29.610 --> 00:41:30.144
- WE'RE AFRAID IS GONNA HAPPEN: "IF I DON'T HOLD
- 00:41:30.210 --> 00:41:31.478
- HAPPEN: "IF I DON'T HOLD THIS SO TIGHT AND PROTECT
- 00:41:31.545 --> 00:41:33.847
- THIS SO TIGHT AND PROTECT US AT ALL COSTS, IT'S
- 00:41:33.914 --> 00:41:35.549
- US AT ALL COSTS, IT'S GONNA FALL APART," AND I'M
- 00:41:35.616 --> 00:41:37.918
- GONNA FALL APART," AND I'M LIKE, WOW, THAT'S REALLY--
- 00:41:37.985 --> 00:41:39.053
- LIKE, WOW, THAT'S REALLY-- THAT'S PAINFUL TO HAVE TO
- 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:39.687
- THAT'S PAINFUL TO HAVE TO BE IN A MEASURE OF CONTROL
- 00:41:39.753 --> 00:41:42.990
- BE IN A MEASURE OF CONTROL THAT WAY FOR THINGS THAT
- 00:41:43.057 --> 00:41:43.490
- THAT WAY FOR THINGS THAT GOD'S PUT ON THE EARTH
- 00:41:43.557 --> 00:41:44.024
- GOD'S PUT ON THE EARTH THAT ARE GOOD.
- 00:41:44.091 --> 00:41:46.961
- THAT ARE GOOD. - BOBBY: AS I'M JUST LISTENING,
- 00:41:47.027 --> 00:41:49.096
- - BOBBY: AS I'M JUST LISTENING, I'M JUST REALLY HOPING THAT
- 00:41:49.163 --> 00:41:49.697
- I'M JUST REALLY HOPING THAT ONE OF TWO THINGS HAPPENS
- 00:41:49.763 --> 00:41:50.464
- ONE OF TWO THINGS HAPPENS FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING
- 00:41:50.531 --> 00:41:51.332
- FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS INTERVIEW, EITHER,
- 00:41:51.398 --> 00:41:53.000
- THIS INTERVIEW, EITHER, ONE, PEOPLE JUST GET SOME
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- ONE, PEOPLE JUST GET SOME FREEDOM AND UNDERSTAND
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- FREEDOM AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT FREEDOM IS A
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- THAT THAT FREEDOM IS A GOOD THING.
- 00:41:57.938 --> 00:41:58.606
- GOOD THING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE--
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- IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE-- LIKE, GOD REALLY DOES WANT
- 00:41:59.907 --> 00:42:01.408
- LIKE, GOD REALLY DOES WANT SOME PEOPLE TO-- LIKE, I
- 00:42:01.475 --> 00:42:03.210
- SOME PEOPLE TO-- LIKE, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE,
- 00:42:03.277 --> 00:42:04.011
- FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, WITH THEIR FAITH, IT'S
- 00:42:04.078 --> 00:42:05.245
- WITH THEIR FAITH, IT'S THIS FEAR WORD YOU'RE
- 00:42:05.312 --> 00:42:06.046
- THIS FEAR WORD YOU'RE USING.
- 00:42:06.113 --> 00:42:06.480
- USING. THEY'RE VERY MUCH LIKE,
- 00:42:06.547 --> 00:42:07.514
- THEY'RE VERY MUCH LIKE, "THIS IS IT," AND, AS THE
- 00:42:07.581 --> 00:42:08.582
- "THIS IS IT," AND, AS THE WORLD BECOMES MORE
- 00:42:08.649 --> 00:42:10.584
- WORLD BECOMES MORE RELATIVISTIC AND FALLEN
- 00:42:10.651 --> 00:42:12.686
- RELATIVISTIC AND FALLEN AND BROKEN, YOU KNOW, MY
- 00:42:12.753 --> 00:42:14.755
- AND BROKEN, YOU KNOW, MY TEMPTATION, AS A BELIEVER
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- TEMPTATION, AS A BELIEVER WHO HATES A LOT OF THE
- 00:42:15.990 --> 00:42:17.725
- WHO HATES A LOT OF THE STUFF I'M SEEING IN MY
- 00:42:17.791 --> 00:42:18.692
- STUFF I'M SEEING IN MY COUNTRY AND MY STATE AND
- 00:42:18.759 --> 00:42:20.728
- COUNTRY AND MY STATE AND THE WORLD I GREW UP, THAT
- 00:42:20.794 --> 00:42:22.129
- THE WORLD I GREW UP, THAT EVERYTHING IS CHANGING, I
- 00:42:22.196 --> 00:42:23.197
- EVERYTHING IS CHANGING, I WANNA LIKE, "OH, THIS IS
- 00:42:23.263 --> 00:42:24.231
- WANNA LIKE, "OH, THIS IS MINE," BUT THE IRONY IS
- 00:42:24.298 --> 00:42:25.432
- MINE," BUT THE IRONY IS THAT TENSENESS IS NOT
- 00:42:25.499 --> 00:42:28.335
- THAT TENSENESS IS NOT COMING FROM THE SPIRIT,
- 00:42:28.402 --> 00:42:30.070
- COMING FROM THE SPIRIT, RIGHT?
- 00:42:30.137 --> 00:42:30.571
- RIGHT? IT'S COMING FROM FEAR OF
- 00:42:30.638 --> 00:42:31.105
- IT'S COMING FROM FEAR OF MY NEIGHBOR.
- 00:42:31.171 --> 00:42:33.173
- MY NEIGHBOR. WE ARE SCARED TO DEATH OF
- 00:42:33.240 --> 00:42:34.908
- WE ARE SCARED TO DEATH OF PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE
- 00:42:34.975 --> 00:42:35.676
- PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE LOVING.
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- LOVING. - SHAWN: SO, YEAH,
- 00:42:36.210 --> 00:42:37.344
- - SHAWN: SO, YEAH, PERMISSION.
- 00:42:37.411 --> 00:42:37.845
- PERMISSION. THERE HAS TO BE MORE
- 00:42:37.911 --> 00:42:38.512
- THERE HAS TO BE MORE PERMISSION.
- 00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:39.013
- PERMISSION. WE CAN'T SEPARATE IT.
- 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:40.180
- WE CAN'T SEPARATE IT. WE HAVE TO GO INTO ALL THE
- 00:42:40.247 --> 00:42:41.749
- WE HAVE TO GO INTO ALL THE WORLD.
- 00:42:41.815 --> 00:42:42.182
- WORLD. - BOBBY: GOD WANTS TO
- 00:42:42.249 --> 00:42:42.683
- - BOBBY: GOD WANTS TO GIVE US FREEDOM, AND IF WE
- 00:42:42.750 --> 00:42:43.651
- GIVE US FREEDOM, AND IF WE REALLY WANNA WIN OUR
- 00:42:43.717 --> 00:42:45.185
- REALLY WANNA WIN OUR NEIGHBOR, THEY DON'T WANNA
- 00:42:45.252 --> 00:42:46.053
- NEIGHBOR, THEY DON'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS THING.
- 00:42:46.120 --> 00:42:47.521
- SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS THING. THEY WANNA SEE PEOPLE WHO
- 00:42:47.588 --> 00:42:49.023
- THEY WANNA SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING IN FREEDOM AND
- 00:42:49.089 --> 00:42:49.556
- ARE WALKING IN FREEDOM AND HOLINESS.
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- HOLINESS. - SHAWN: YEAH,
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- - SHAWN: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
- 00:42:52.393 --> 00:42:52.826
- ABSOLUTELY. THE SECOND THING IS I
- 00:42:52.893 --> 00:42:53.327
- THE SECOND THING IS I WOULD SAY MY HOPE IS THAT
- 00:42:53.394 --> 00:42:54.561
- WOULD SAY MY HOPE IS THAT WE-- AND THIS IS KIND OF
- 00:42:54.628 --> 00:42:56.130
- WE-- AND THIS IS KIND OF NEW FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO
- 00:42:56.196 --> 00:42:57.231
- NEW FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THINK THE FACT THAT GOD IS
- 00:42:57.297 --> 00:42:58.465
- THINK THE FACT THAT GOD IS GONNA BRING ANOTHER GREAT
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- GONNA BRING ANOTHER GREAT RENAISSANCE TO MOVE THE
- 00:42:59.767 --> 00:43:01.468
- RENAISSANCE TO MOVE THE WORLD FORWARD EVEN BEFORE
- 00:43:01.535 --> 00:43:02.036
- WORLD FORWARD EVEN BEFORE JESUS RETURNS.
- 00:43:02.102 --> 00:43:02.736
- JESUS RETURNS. HE'S GOING TO FILL
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- HE'S GOING TO FILL CHRISTIANS AND THEN ALSO,
- 00:43:04.171 --> 00:43:06.640
- CHRISTIANS AND THEN ALSO, PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HIM
- 00:43:06.707 --> 00:43:07.474
- PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HIM YET, HE'S GONNA USE THEIR
- 00:43:07.541 --> 00:43:08.308
- YET, HE'S GONNA USE THEIR CRAFT AND THEIR ABILITY
- 00:43:08.375 --> 00:43:10.577
- CRAFT AND THEIR ABILITY AND THEIR TOOLS AND THEIR
- 00:43:10.644 --> 00:43:12.680
- AND THEIR TOOLS AND THEIR ARTISTRY AND JUST GONNA
- 00:43:12.746 --> 00:43:14.782
- ARTISTRY AND JUST GONNA PUT ON SOME OF THE
- 00:43:14.848 --> 00:43:15.816
- PUT ON SOME OF THE GREATEST DISPLAYS TO HELP
- 00:43:15.883 --> 00:43:17.084
- GREATEST DISPLAYS TO HELP HEAL WORLD ISSUES LIKE
- 00:43:17.151 --> 00:43:19.253
- HEAL WORLD ISSUES LIKE WORLD POVERTY, CHILDREN AT
- 00:43:19.319 --> 00:43:19.920
- WORLD POVERTY, CHILDREN AT RISK.
- 00:43:19.987 --> 00:43:20.654
- RISK. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT
- 00:43:20.721 --> 00:43:21.855
- THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE IN MEDIA,
- 00:43:21.922 --> 00:43:23.190
- ARE BEING DONE IN MEDIA, ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT, OVER
- 00:43:23.257 --> 00:43:24.091
- ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT, OVER HUMAN TRAFFICKING, THAT
- 00:43:24.158 --> 00:43:25.559
- HUMAN TRAFFICKING, THAT CHURCHES ARE WAY BEHIND,
- 00:43:25.626 --> 00:43:27.461
- CHURCHES ARE WAY BEHIND, NOT EVEN LOOKING AT IT.
- 00:43:27.528 --> 00:43:27.995
- NOT EVEN LOOKING AT IT. IT'S ONE OF THE WORST
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- IT'S ONE OF THE WORST VIOLATIONS, AND IT'S AN
- 00:43:28.929 --> 00:43:29.963
- VIOLATIONS, AND IT'S AN OBVIOUS VIOLATION, AND WE
- 00:43:30.030 --> 00:43:31.298
- OBVIOUS VIOLATION, AND WE HAVE MORE SLAVES ALIVE
- 00:43:31.365 --> 00:43:32.933
- HAVE MORE SLAVES ALIVE TODAY THAN THERE HAS BEEN
- 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:33.467
- TODAY THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN ALL OF HISTORY PUT
- 00:43:33.534 --> 00:43:34.902
- IN ALL OF HISTORY PUT TOGETHER, AND WE'RE SEEING
- 00:43:34.968 --> 00:43:36.336
- TOGETHER, AND WE'RE SEEING IT NOW BECAUSE OF MEDIA
- 00:43:36.403 --> 00:43:38.005
- IT NOW BECAUSE OF MEDIA AND BECAUSE CELEBRITIES
- 00:43:38.072 --> 00:43:39.506
- AND BECAUSE CELEBRITIES ARE GETTING BEHIND ISSUES
- 00:43:39.573 --> 00:43:40.407
- ARE GETTING BEHIND ISSUES AND CAUSES BECAUSE
- 00:43:40.474 --> 00:43:40.908
- AND CAUSES BECAUSE GOVERNMENT'S GETTING
- 00:43:40.974 --> 00:43:42.409
- GOVERNMENT'S GETTING BEHIND IT, AND THE CHURCH
- 00:43:42.476 --> 00:43:43.110
- BEHIND IT, AND THE CHURCH IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, IN
- 00:43:43.177 --> 00:43:45.479
- IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, IN SOME WAYS IT'S FORWARD
- 00:43:45.546 --> 00:43:45.979
- SOME WAYS IT'S FORWARD IN SOME SMALL AREAS,
- 00:43:46.046 --> 00:43:46.480
- IN SOME SMALL AREAS, BUT IN SOME WAYS IS WAY
- 00:43:46.547 --> 00:43:47.081
- BUT IN SOME WAYS IS WAY BEHIND.
- 00:43:47.147 --> 00:43:49.049
- BEHIND. BUT YOU SEE ONE MOVIE
- 00:43:49.116 --> 00:43:49.550
- BUT YOU SEE ONE MOVIE ABOUT IT, AND IT COULD
- 00:43:49.616 --> 00:43:50.651
- ABOUT IT, AND IT COULD BRAND A GENERATION ABOUT
- 00:43:50.718 --> 00:43:51.885
- BRAND A GENERATION ABOUT OUR-- THE POTENTIAL OF
- 00:43:51.952 --> 00:43:53.120
- OUR-- THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT FREEDOM SHOULD LOOK
- 00:43:53.187 --> 00:43:53.687
- WHAT FREEDOM SHOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A WHOLE
- 00:43:53.754 --> 00:43:54.788
- LIKE FOR A WHOLE GENERATION OF PEOPLE,
- 00:43:54.855 --> 00:43:55.756
- GENERATION OF PEOPLE, AND SO THERE'S A GREAT
- 00:43:55.823 --> 00:43:56.490
- AND SO THERE'S A GREAT RENAISSANCE COMING THAT
- 00:43:56.557 --> 00:43:57.624
- RENAISSANCE COMING THAT GOD'S GONNA COMMISSION
- 00:43:57.691 --> 00:43:59.059
- GOD'S GONNA COMMISSION THEMES AND SUBJECTS
- 00:43:59.126 --> 00:44:00.594
- THEMES AND SUBJECTS THROUGH THE POWER OF SONG,
- 00:44:00.661 --> 00:44:01.462
- THROUGH THE POWER OF SONG, THE POWER OF, YOU KNOW,
- 00:44:01.528 --> 00:44:02.896
- THE POWER OF, YOU KNOW, THE POWER OF VISUAL MEDIA,
- 00:44:02.963 --> 00:44:04.398
- THE POWER OF VISUAL MEDIA, THE POWER OF-- I THINK,
- 00:44:04.465 --> 00:44:05.332
- THE POWER OF-- I THINK, HIROSHIMA, WHEN AMERICA WAS
- 00:44:05.399 --> 00:44:07.768
- HIROSHIMA, WHEN AMERICA WAS LOSING, AND WE WERE
- 00:44:07.835 --> 00:44:08.836
- LOSING, AND WE WERE GOING THROUGH SUCH A
- 00:44:08.902 --> 00:44:09.636
- GOING THROUGH SUCH A HARD PERIOD, AND THE
- 00:44:09.703 --> 00:44:10.738
- HARD PERIOD, AND THE MORALE WAS AT AN ALL-TIME
- 00:44:10.804 --> 00:44:13.774
- MORALE WAS AT AN ALL-TIME LOW, AND THEN YOU SEE
- 00:44:13.841 --> 00:44:14.274
- LOW, AND THEN YOU SEE THOSE SOLDIERS WITH THAT
- 00:44:14.341 --> 00:44:14.808
- THOSE SOLDIERS WITH THAT AMERICAN FLAG, THAT ICONIC
- 00:44:14.875 --> 00:44:16.276
- AMERICAN FLAG, THAT ICONIC PICTURE, AND THEY'RE
- 00:44:16.343 --> 00:44:17.678
- PICTURE, AND THEY'RE LIFTING THE FLAG UP, AND
- 00:44:17.745 --> 00:44:19.513
- LIFTING THE FLAG UP, AND IT WAS PUBLISHED IN EVERY
- 00:44:19.580 --> 00:44:20.080
- IT WAS PUBLISHED IN EVERY NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA, AND
- 00:44:20.147 --> 00:44:20.848
- NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA, AND THAT WAS THE DAY THAT MOST
- 00:44:20.914 --> 00:44:22.316
- THAT WAS THE DAY THAT MOST HISTORIANS WILL SAY THAT
- 00:44:22.382 --> 00:44:23.016
- HISTORIANS WILL SAY THAT WE KNEW THE WAR COULD BE
- 00:44:23.083 --> 00:44:24.451
- WE KNEW THE WAR COULD BE WON FROM THAT POINT ON
- 00:44:24.518 --> 00:44:25.152
- WON FROM THAT POINT ON BECAUSE OF IT, AND WE KNEW
- 00:44:25.219 --> 00:44:26.520
- BECAUSE OF IT, AND WE KNEW WE WERE DOING A GOOD THING
- 00:44:26.587 --> 00:44:27.721
- WE WERE DOING A GOOD THING IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND
- 00:44:27.788 --> 00:44:29.790
- IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND ONE PHOTOGRAPH CHANGED THE
- 00:44:29.857 --> 00:44:31.291
- ONE PHOTOGRAPH CHANGED THE STATE OF MORALE FOR A
- 00:44:31.358 --> 00:44:33.594
- STATE OF MORALE FOR A NATION, AND WE'VE SEEN
- 00:44:33.660 --> 00:44:35.195
- NATION, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER AND OVER, AND
- 00:44:35.262 --> 00:44:35.929
- THAT OVER AND OVER, AND I'M NOT JUST TALKIN' ABOUT
- 00:44:35.996 --> 00:44:36.497
- I'M NOT JUST TALKIN' ABOUT PROPAGANDA 'CAUSE, A LOT
- 00:44:36.563 --> 00:44:37.931
- PROPAGANDA 'CAUSE, A LOT OF TIMES, WHEN WE TALK
- 00:44:37.998 --> 00:44:38.398
- OF TIMES, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND THE
- 00:44:38.465 --> 00:44:39.566
- ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND THE ARTS, IT DOES BECOME A
- 00:44:39.633 --> 00:44:40.234
- ARTS, IT DOES BECOME A PROPAGANDA FACTORY, AND
- 00:44:40.300 --> 00:44:42.002
- PROPAGANDA FACTORY, AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE-- I LOVE
- 00:44:42.069 --> 00:44:42.569
- IT'S OKAY TO HAVE-- I LOVE CHRISTIAN MEDIA, AND WE'RE
- 00:44:42.636 --> 00:44:44.071
- CHRISTIAN MEDIA, AND WE'RE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, BUT
- 00:44:44.138 --> 00:44:45.873
- DOING IT, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING,
- 00:44:45.939 --> 00:44:47.074
- THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING, AS WELL, WHERE ART, FOR
- 00:44:47.141 --> 00:44:48.842
- AS WELL, WHERE ART, FOR THE SAKE OF ART; ART, FOR
- 00:44:48.909 --> 00:44:49.910
- THE SAKE OF ART; ART, FOR THE SAKE OF GOD'S BEAUTY;
- 00:44:49.977 --> 00:44:50.944
- THE SAKE OF GOD'S BEAUTY; ART FOR THE SAKE OF
- 00:44:51.011 --> 00:44:52.246
- ART FOR THE SAKE OF EXPERIENCING THE JOY THAT
- 00:44:52.312 --> 00:44:54.014
- EXPERIENCING THE JOY THAT GOD PUT FOOD ON THE EARTH
- 00:44:54.081 --> 00:44:54.848
- GOD PUT FOOD ON THE EARTH TO COOK, AND IT SHOULD BE
- 00:44:54.915 --> 00:44:55.949
- TO COOK, AND IT SHOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PROCESS; ART
- 00:44:56.016 --> 00:44:56.917
- A BEAUTIFUL PROCESS; ART FOR THE SAKE OF ENJOYING
- 00:44:56.984 --> 00:44:58.252
- FOR THE SAKE OF ENJOYING WHO GOD IS, JUST LIKE HE
- 00:44:58.318 --> 00:44:59.620
- WHO GOD IS, JUST LIKE HE DID ON THE SEVENTH DAY.
- 00:44:59.686 --> 00:45:00.721
- DID ON THE SEVENTH DAY. HE DIDN'T GO, YOU KNOW,
- 00:45:00.788 --> 00:45:02.322
- HE DIDN'T GO, YOU KNOW, "I'M ENJOYING THIS.
- 00:45:02.389 --> 00:45:03.891
- "I'M ENJOYING THIS. I GOTTA WORK HARDER TOMORROW."
- 00:45:03.957 --> 00:45:04.691
- I GOTTA WORK HARDER TOMORROW." HE'S LOOKING AT IT,
- 00:45:04.758 --> 00:45:05.159
- HE'S LOOKING AT IT, GOING, "LOOK AT THAT,
- 00:45:05.225 --> 00:45:05.659
- GOING, "LOOK AT THAT, LOOK AT THAT,
- 00:45:05.726 --> 00:45:06.026
- LOOK AT THAT, LOOK AT THAT,"
- 00:45:06.093 --> 00:45:06.360
- LOOK AT THAT," SHOWING THE ANGELS,
- 00:45:06.426 --> 00:45:06.894
- SHOWING THE ANGELS, SHOWING IT ON--
- 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:07.394
- SHOWING IT ON-- I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE
- 00:45:07.461 --> 00:45:08.896
- I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO ALSO LEARN
- 00:45:08.962 --> 00:45:09.463
- HAVE TO ALSO LEARN HOW TO REST,
- 00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:11.465
- HOW TO REST, AND SOMETIMES OUR REST IS
- 00:45:11.532 --> 00:45:12.800
- AND SOMETIMES OUR REST IS ME SITTING WITH MY WIFE AT
- 00:45:12.866 --> 00:45:13.867
- ME SITTING WITH MY WIFE AT NIGHT AND GOING, "HEY,
- 00:45:13.934 --> 00:45:15.068
- NIGHT AND GOING, "HEY, THAT NEW MARVEL MOVIE CAME
- 00:45:15.135 --> 00:45:16.503
- THAT NEW MARVEL MOVIE CAME OUT.
- 00:45:16.570 --> 00:45:16.937
- OUT. LET'S WATCH IT TOGETHER."
- 00:45:17.004 --> 00:45:17.838
- LET'S WATCH IT TOGETHER." AND SHE'S LIKE-- AND,
- 00:45:17.905 --> 00:45:18.639
- AND SHE'S LIKE-- AND, LUCKILY, MY WIFE, WE-- YOU
- 00:45:18.705 --> 00:45:20.707
- LUCKILY, MY WIFE, WE-- YOU KNOW, YOU GET MARRIED AND,
- 00:45:20.774 --> 00:45:21.241
- KNOW, YOU GET MARRIED AND, LIKE, YOU'RE NOT
- 00:45:21.308 --> 00:45:21.875
- LIKE, YOU'RE NOT COMPATIBLE IN ALL AREAS,
- 00:45:21.942 --> 00:45:22.409
- COMPATIBLE IN ALL AREAS, AND USUALLY MOVIES IS A
- 00:45:22.476 --> 00:45:23.177
- AND USUALLY MOVIES IS A BIG ONE?
- 00:45:23.243 --> 00:45:24.678
- BIG ONE? AND, LUCKILY, MY WIFE AND
- 00:45:24.745 --> 00:45:25.879
- AND, LUCKILY, MY WIFE AND I LOVE THE SAME MOVIES.
- 00:45:25.946 --> 00:45:27.347
- I LOVE THE SAME MOVIES. - BOBBY: OH, GOOD, AWESOME.
- 00:45:27.414 --> 00:45:28.148
- - BOBBY: OH, GOOD, AWESOME. - SHAWN: SO, LIKE, WELL,
- 00:45:28.215 --> 00:45:28.749
- - SHAWN: SO, LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE THIS
- 00:45:28.816 --> 00:45:29.783
- YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE THIS INCREDIBLE TIME, AND PART
- 00:45:29.850 --> 00:45:30.350
- INCREDIBLE TIME, AND PART OF OUR MARRIAGE HAS BEEN
- 00:45:30.417 --> 00:45:31.018
- OF OUR MARRIAGE HAS BEEN DEFINED BY THE FUN WE'VE
- 00:45:31.084 --> 00:45:31.985
- DEFINED BY THE FUN WE'VE HAD, NOT JUST BY THE
- 00:45:32.052 --> 00:45:34.188
- HAD, NOT JUST BY THE STORMS WE'VE WEATHERED OR
- 00:45:34.254 --> 00:45:35.155
- STORMS WE'VE WEATHERED OR BY OUR CHRISTIAN
- 00:45:35.222 --> 00:45:36.056
- BY OUR CHRISTIAN EXPERIENCE IN THE CHURCH,
- 00:45:36.123 --> 00:45:37.291
- EXPERIENCE IN THE CHURCH, BUT IT'S ALSO THE FUN AND
- 00:45:37.357 --> 00:45:38.458
- BUT IT'S ALSO THE FUN AND THE EXPLORATION OF THE
- 00:45:38.525 --> 00:45:39.760
- THE EXPLORATION OF THE JOURNEYS WE'VE BEEN ON,
- 00:45:39.827 --> 00:45:40.294
- JOURNEYS WE'VE BEEN ON, AND I'VE BEEN ALL AROUND
- 00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:41.962
- AND I'VE BEEN ALL AROUND THE WORLD TO THE POOREST
- 00:45:42.029 --> 00:45:42.763
- THE WORLD TO THE POOREST OF THE POOR.
- 00:45:42.830 --> 00:45:43.230
- OF THE POOR. I'VE GONE TO, YOU KNOW,
- 00:45:43.297 --> 00:45:44.231
- I'VE GONE TO, YOU KNOW, TWO SLAVE CAMPS.
- 00:45:44.298 --> 00:45:45.299
- TWO SLAVE CAMPS. I'VE GONE TO LEPER COLONIES.
- 00:45:45.365 --> 00:45:46.567
- I'VE GONE TO LEPER COLONIES. I'VE GONE TO-- LIKE,
- 00:45:46.633 --> 00:45:47.868
- I'VE GONE TO-- LIKE, I WANTED TO SEE, LIKE,
- 00:45:47.935 --> 00:45:49.369
- I WANTED TO SEE, LIKE, I WANTED TO SEE IF THIS
- 00:45:49.436 --> 00:45:50.470
- I WANTED TO SEE IF THIS KINGDOM THING WORKS FOR REAL,
- 00:45:50.537 --> 00:45:51.271
- KINGDOM THING WORKS FOR REAL, AND IT DOES,
- 00:45:51.338 --> 00:45:51.772
- AND IT DOES, AND A LOT OF TIMES,
- 00:45:51.839 --> 00:45:52.840
- AND A LOT OF TIMES, I'D LEAVE THOSE TRIPS,
- 00:45:52.906 --> 00:45:53.807
- I'D LEAVE THOSE TRIPS, AND I'D BE SO TRAUMATIZED
- 00:45:53.874 --> 00:45:54.875
- AND I'D BE SO TRAUMATIZED BY WHATEVER IDP CAMP
- 00:45:54.942 --> 00:45:56.176
- BY WHATEVER IDP CAMP WE WERE IN, OR WHATEVER,
- 00:45:56.243 --> 00:45:58.145
- WE WERE IN, OR WHATEVER, AND I'D LEAVE THE TRIP,
- 00:45:58.212 --> 00:45:59.046
- AND I'D LEAVE THE TRIP, AND I'D GO-- AND I'D TELL MY
- 00:45:59.112 --> 00:45:59.646
- AND I'D GO-- AND I'D TELL MY TEAM WHEN I GOT HOME,
- 00:45:59.713 --> 00:46:00.147
- TEAM WHEN I GOT HOME, I'D BE LIKE,
- 00:46:00.214 --> 00:46:00.480
- I'D BE LIKE, "I JUST NEED TO WATCH, LIKE,
- 00:46:00.547 --> 00:46:01.081
- "I JUST NEED TO WATCH, LIKE, THREE MOVIES IN A ROW
- 00:46:01.148 --> 00:46:01.682
- THREE MOVIES IN A ROW RIGHT NOW.
- 00:46:01.748 --> 00:46:02.416
- RIGHT NOW. I JUST NEED TO, LIKE, BE
- 00:46:02.482 --> 00:46:03.317
- I JUST NEED TO, LIKE, BE NORMAL."
- 00:46:03.383 --> 00:46:04.017
- NORMAL." I WANNA WATCH HAPPY THINGS
- 00:46:04.084 --> 00:46:04.918
- I WANNA WATCH HAPPY THINGS THAT BRING ME LIFE
- 00:46:04.985 --> 00:46:05.719
- THAT BRING ME LIFE BECAUSE I NEED A RESET.
- 00:46:05.786 --> 00:46:06.987
- BECAUSE I NEED A RESET. SO MY RESET CAN'T GO TO--
- 00:46:07.054 --> 00:46:08.422
- SO MY RESET CAN'T GO TO-- I CAN'T GO TO 40 HOURS IN
- 00:46:08.488 --> 00:46:09.823
- I CAN'T GO TO 40 HOURS IN A HOUSE OF PRAYER RIGHT
- 00:46:09.890 --> 00:46:10.891
- A HOUSE OF PRAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT INTENSITY
- 00:46:10.958 --> 00:46:11.825
- NOW BECAUSE THAT INTENSITY IS GONNA CAUSE ME TO FEEL
- 00:46:11.892 --> 00:46:13.360
- IS GONNA CAUSE ME TO FEEL LIKE I HAVE NO RELEASE IN
- 00:46:13.427 --> 00:46:15.929
- LIKE I HAVE NO RELEASE IN MY EMOTIONS.
- 00:46:15.996 --> 00:46:17.631
- MY EMOTIONS. I NEED A RELEASE IN MY
- 00:46:17.698 --> 00:46:18.599
- I NEED A RELEASE IN MY SPIRIT AND MY EMOTIONS,
- 00:46:18.665 --> 00:46:19.166
- SPIRIT AND MY EMOTIONS, AND THEY'D GO WITH ME, AND
- 00:46:19.233 --> 00:46:20.434
- AND THEY'D GO WITH ME, AND WE'D GO WATCH A COUPLE
- 00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:21.201
- WE'D GO WATCH A COUPLE MOVIES OR SOMETHIN' IN THE
- 00:46:21.268 --> 00:46:22.269
- MOVIES OR SOMETHIN' IN THE THEATER, AND IT HELPED ME
- 00:46:22.336 --> 00:46:23.637
- THEATER, AND IT HELPED ME TO GET TO THAT PLACE TO
- 00:46:23.704 --> 00:46:24.905
- TO GET TO THAT PLACE TO WHERE I COULD RESET, AND
- 00:46:24.972 --> 00:46:27.140
- WHERE I COULD RESET, AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
- 00:46:27.207 --> 00:46:29.776
- SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, AND
- 00:46:29.843 --> 00:46:30.310
- UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THEY'RE MISSING SOME OF
- 00:46:30.377 --> 00:46:31.044
- THEY'RE MISSING SOME OF THAT, AND SO THERE'S
- 00:46:31.111 --> 00:46:32.079
- THAT, AND SO THERE'S LOW-GRADE DEPRESSION IN
- 00:46:32.145 --> 00:46:32.613
- LOW-GRADE DEPRESSION IN THE CHURCH, THERE'S
- 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:33.247
- THE CHURCH, THERE'S LOW-GRADE ANXIETY IN THE
- 00:46:33.313 --> 00:46:34.481
- LOW-GRADE ANXIETY IN THE CHURCH, THERE'S LOW-GRADE
- 00:46:34.548 --> 00:46:37.217
- CHURCH, THERE'S LOW-GRADE STRIVING IN THE CHURCH,
- 00:46:37.284 --> 00:46:38.719
- STRIVING IN THE CHURCH, AND WE HEAL A LOT OF THOSE
- 00:46:38.785 --> 00:46:39.419
- AND WE HEAL A LOT OF THOSE THINGS BY GETTING IN
- 00:46:39.486 --> 00:46:41.355
- THINGS BY GETTING IN BALANCE IN THESE AREAS.
- 00:46:41.421 --> 00:46:42.289
- BALANCE IN THESE AREAS. - BOBBY: I REMEMBER
- 00:46:42.356 --> 00:46:42.990
- - BOBBY: I REMEMBER HEARING AN ANALOGY ONCE
- 00:46:43.056 --> 00:46:44.224
- HEARING AN ANALOGY ONCE FOR INVESTING.
- 00:46:44.291 --> 00:46:45.359
- FOR INVESTING. I WAS LIKE, "NO, THAT'S AN
- 00:46:45.425 --> 00:46:46.627
- I WAS LIKE, "NO, THAT'S AN ANALOGY FOR THE LIFE IN
- 00:46:46.693 --> 00:46:48.562
- ANALOGY FOR THE LIFE IN THE SPIRIT," AND IT WAS
- 00:46:48.629 --> 00:46:49.463
- THE SPIRIT," AND IT WAS THE ANALOGY OF A KITE.
- 00:46:49.529 --> 00:46:51.798
- THE ANALOGY OF A KITE. A KITE HAS TWO IMPORTANT
- 00:46:51.865 --> 00:46:53.934
- A KITE HAS TWO IMPORTANT DYNAMICS IN PLAY: ONE IS
- 00:46:54.001 --> 00:46:55.435
- DYNAMICS IN PLAY: ONE IS LIFT, AND ONE IS DRAG.
- 00:46:55.502 --> 00:46:57.571
- LIFT, AND ONE IS DRAG. SO WHEN YOU FLY A KITE,
- 00:46:57.638 --> 00:46:58.505
- SO WHEN YOU FLY A KITE, IF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY,
- 00:46:58.572 --> 00:47:00.340
- IF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THE LIFT IS THE WIND PUSHING
- 00:47:00.407 --> 00:47:01.541
- THE LIFT IS THE WIND PUSHING THE KITE IN THE AIR,
- 00:47:01.608 --> 00:47:03.143
- BUT THEN, THE STRING IS
- 00:47:03.744 --> 00:47:04.344
- BUT THEN, THE STRING IS THE THING THAT HOLDS IT
- 00:47:04.411 --> 00:47:05.379
- THE THING THAT HOLDS IT DOWN, AND THAT BALANCE
- 00:47:05.445 --> 00:47:07.014
- DOWN, AND THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS,
- 00:47:07.080 --> 00:47:07.781
- BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS, YOU KNOW, KEEPS THIS
- 00:47:07.848 --> 00:47:09.349
- YOU KNOW, KEEPS THIS BEAUTIFUL KITE JUST FLYING
- 00:47:09.416 --> 00:47:10.183
- BEAUTIFUL KITE JUST FLYING IN THE AIR.
- 00:47:10.250 --> 00:47:12.552
- AND IN LIFE, I THINK THAT,
- 00:47:13.153 --> 00:47:14.788
- AND IN LIFE, I THINK THAT, IN OUR SPIRITUAL LIVES,
- 00:47:14.855 --> 00:47:17.557
- IN OUR SPIRITUAL LIVES, IN OUR WALK WITH GOD,
- 00:47:17.624 --> 00:47:18.625
- IN OUR WALK WITH GOD, THERE'S LIFT AND DRAG.
- 00:47:18.692 --> 00:47:19.626
- THERE'S LIFT AND DRAG. AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS
- 00:47:19.693 --> 00:47:20.160
- AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS HEARING YOU TALK, THAT
- 00:47:20.227 --> 00:47:21.194
- HEARING YOU TALK, THAT THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHERE
- 00:47:21.261 --> 00:47:23.163
- THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF LIFT,
- 00:47:23.230 --> 00:47:23.830
- WE HAVE A LOT OF LIFT, THIS FUN, RELAXING, AMAZING
- 00:47:23.897 --> 00:47:25.799
- THIS FUN, RELAXING, AMAZING EXPERIENCE, OR SOMETIMES
- 00:47:25.866 --> 00:47:27.134
- EXPERIENCE, OR SOMETIMES WE HAVE THE DRAG,
- 00:47:27.200 --> 00:47:27.634
- WE HAVE THE DRAG, THOSE HEAVY TIMES OF
- 00:47:27.701 --> 00:47:29.036
- THOSE HEAVY TIMES OF PRAYER OR DEEP READING OR
- 00:47:29.102 --> 00:47:30.437
- PRAYER OR DEEP READING OR STUDYING OR MEDITATION,
- 00:47:30.504 --> 00:47:31.238
- STUDYING OR MEDITATION, BUT IF, LIKE, WITH A KITE,
- 00:47:31.305 --> 00:47:33.607
- BUT IF, LIKE, WITH A KITE, IF YOU PULL TOO HARD,
- 00:47:33.674 --> 00:47:34.107
- IF YOU PULL TOO HARD, RIGHT, THE KITE FALLS
- 00:47:34.174 --> 00:47:34.641
- RIGHT, THE KITE FALLS DOWN.
- 00:47:34.708 --> 00:47:35.175
- DOWN. THAT'S TOO MUCH DRAG, BUT
- 00:47:35.242 --> 00:47:37.778
- THAT'S TOO MUCH DRAG, BUT IF YOU CUT THE STRING, THE
- 00:47:37.844 --> 00:47:38.345
- IF YOU CUT THE STRING, THE KITE FLIES OR RAISED, TOO
- 00:47:38.412 --> 00:47:38.912
- KITE FLIES OR RAISED, TOO MUCH LIFT, AND I'VE KNOWN,
- 00:47:38.979 --> 00:47:39.613
- MUCH LIFT, AND I'VE KNOWN, AT LEAST IN MY LIFE, LIKE,
- 00:47:39.680 --> 00:47:40.881
- AT LEAST IN MY LIFE, LIKE, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY
- 00:47:40.948 --> 00:47:41.949
- WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS, LIKE, "I NEED SOME LIFT."
- 00:47:42.015 --> 00:47:42.950
- IS, LIKE, "I NEED SOME LIFT." LIKE, "I NEED--
- 00:47:43.016 --> 00:47:45.252
- LIKE, "I NEED-- I'VE HAD ENOUGH DRAG.
- 00:47:45.319 --> 00:47:46.420
- I'VE HAD ENOUGH DRAG. I NEED, LIKE, SOMETHIN' TO
- 00:47:46.486 --> 00:47:47.788
- I NEED, LIKE, SOMETHIN' TO LIFT ME UP."
- 00:47:47.854 --> 00:47:48.322
- LIFT ME UP." THERE'S OTHER TIMES WHERE
- 00:47:48.388 --> 00:47:48.889
- THERE'S OTHER TIMES WHERE YOU'RE LIKE,
- 00:47:48.956 --> 00:47:49.289
- YOU'RE LIKE, "I'VE HAD TOO MUCH OF THAT.
- 00:47:49.356 --> 00:47:49.890
- "I'VE HAD TOO MUCH OF THAT. I NEED TO, LIKE, GO INTO
- 00:47:49.957 --> 00:47:50.424
- I NEED TO, LIKE, GO INTO DEEP MEDITATION AND DEEP
- 00:47:50.490 --> 00:47:52.359
- DEEP MEDITATION AND DEEP PRAYER."
- 00:47:52.426 --> 00:47:54.995
- PRAYER." I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE
- 00:47:55.062 --> 00:47:55.495
- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN
- 00:47:55.562 --> 00:47:56.263
- EXPERIENCED THAT IN YOUR LIFE BUT--
- 00:47:56.330 --> 00:47:56.730
- YOUR LIFE BUT-- - SHAWN: NO, IT'S THAT DANCE
- 00:47:56.797 --> 00:47:57.664
- - SHAWN: NO, IT'S THAT DANCE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH
- 00:47:57.731 --> 00:47:58.098
- OF RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD TO SAY,
- 00:47:58.165 --> 00:47:58.999
- GOD TO SAY, "WOW, YOU KNOW, GOD
- 00:47:59.066 --> 00:48:00.233
- "WOW, YOU KNOW, GOD SPOKE TO ME, WHEN I WAS AN
- 00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:01.635
- SPOKE TO ME, WHEN I WAS AN EARLY TEENAGER, THROUGH A
- 00:48:01.702 --> 00:48:04.137
- EARLY TEENAGER, THROUGH A SERIES OF BOOKS THAT I
- 00:48:04.204 --> 00:48:04.638
- SERIES OF BOOKS THAT I READ ABOUT RACISM AND
- 00:48:04.705 --> 00:48:05.973
- READ ABOUT RACISM AND ABOUT THE NAZI ISSUE,
- 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.709
- ABOUT THE NAZI ISSUE, SO ABOUT BLACK-WHITE ISSUE IN
- 00:48:08.775 --> 00:48:09.343
- SO ABOUT BLACK-WHITE ISSUE IN AMERICA AND ABOUT THE
- 00:48:09.409 --> 00:48:09.843
- AMERICA AND ABOUT THE NAZI ISSUE IN GERMANY,"
- 00:48:09.910 --> 00:48:10.410
- NAZI ISSUE IN GERMANY," AND I DEVOURED HISTORY BOOKS,
- 00:48:10.477 --> 00:48:12.212
- AND I DEVOURED HISTORY BOOKS, AND I ALSO DEVOURED
- 00:48:12.279 --> 00:48:13.213
- AND I ALSO DEVOURED STORYBOOKS, AND IT CAUSED
- 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:14.715
- STORYBOOKS, AND IT CAUSED SOMETHING TO RISE UP IN ME
- 00:48:14.781 --> 00:48:16.283
- SOMETHING TO RISE UP IN ME WHERE I STARTED TO
- 00:48:16.350 --> 00:48:17.184
- WHERE I STARTED TO UNDERSTAND JESUS AS THE
- 00:48:17.250 --> 00:48:18.518
- UNDERSTAND JESUS AS THE ONE WHO BRINGS JUSTICE AND
- 00:48:18.585 --> 00:48:19.086
- ONE WHO BRINGS JUSTICE AND THAT WE HAVE AN OPTION FOR
- 00:48:19.152 --> 00:48:20.921
- THAT WE HAVE AN OPTION FOR JUSTICE, BECAUSE OF HIM,
- 00:48:20.988 --> 00:48:22.222
- JUSTICE, BECAUSE OF HIM, THAT WE'RE NEVER GONNA
- 00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:23.457
- THAT WE'RE NEVER GONNA SOLVE IN THE NATURAL WITH
- 00:48:23.523 --> 00:48:24.658
- SOLVE IN THE NATURAL WITH JUST GOOD WORKS, AND IT
- 00:48:24.725 --> 00:48:26.994
- JUST GOOD WORKS, AND IT REALLY HELPED ME TO GO,
- 00:48:27.060 --> 00:48:28.495
- REALLY HELPED ME TO GO, "WOW, I DON'T WANNA JUST
- 00:48:28.562 --> 00:48:29.029
- "WOW, I DON'T WANNA JUST DO GOOD THINGS.
- 00:48:29.096 --> 00:48:29.563
- DO GOOD THINGS. I WANNA ACTUALLY SEE A
- 00:48:29.629 --> 00:48:30.097
- I WANNA ACTUALLY SEE A KINGDOM RESULT, LIKE A GOD
- 00:48:30.163 --> 00:48:31.865
- KINGDOM RESULT, LIKE A GOD RESULT, AND I WAS 12, 13, 14,
- 00:48:31.932 --> 00:48:34.935
- RESULT, AND I WAS 12, 13, 14, STUDYING EARLY AMERICAN RACISM
- 00:48:35.002 --> 00:48:36.570
- STUDYING EARLY AMERICAN RACISM AND READING ALL THE STORIES
- 00:48:36.636 --> 00:48:38.005
- AND READING ALL THE STORIES I COULD,
- 00:48:38.071 --> 00:48:38.672
- I COULD, AND HARRIET TUBMAN
- 00:48:38.739 --> 00:48:39.673
- AND HARRIET TUBMAN BECAME ONE OF MY HEROES,
- 00:48:39.740 --> 00:48:40.173
- BECAME ONE OF MY HEROES, AND I GOT TO SEE HER
- 00:48:40.240 --> 00:48:41.074
- AND I GOT TO SEE HER MOVIE, "A WOMAN CALLED MOSES,"
- 00:48:41.141 --> 00:48:42.109
- MOVIE, "A WOMAN CALLED MOSES," WHICH WAS, LIKE,
- 00:48:42.175 --> 00:48:43.076
- WHICH WAS, LIKE, SUPER-CHEESY, BUT GREAT.
- 00:48:43.143 --> 00:48:44.244
- SUPER-CHEESY, BUT GREAT. AND I WATCHED THIS MOVIE,
- 00:48:44.311 --> 00:48:45.579
- AND I WATCHED THIS MOVIE, AND I CRIED THROUGH THE
- 00:48:45.645 --> 00:48:47.381
- AND I CRIED THROUGH THE MOVIE BECAUSE SHE WAS
- 00:48:47.447 --> 00:48:47.881
- MOVIE BECAUSE SHE WAS BASICALLY A PROPHET OVER
- 00:48:47.948 --> 00:48:48.982
- BASICALLY A PROPHET OVER THIS ISSUE, AND GOD SPOKE
- 00:48:49.049 --> 00:48:50.584
- THIS ISSUE, AND GOD SPOKE TO HER, AND SHE NEVER LOST
- 00:48:50.650 --> 00:48:51.651
- TO HER, AND SHE NEVER LOST A SLAVE, AND I WAS LIKE,
- 00:48:51.718 --> 00:48:53.053
- A SLAVE, AND I WAS LIKE, "I WANNA BE LIKE HARRIET
- 00:48:53.120 --> 00:48:53.587
- "I WANNA BE LIKE HARRIET TUBMAN," AND MY FRIENDS AT
- 00:48:53.653 --> 00:48:54.588
- TUBMAN," AND MY FRIENDS AT CHURCH WERE LIKE, "WHY
- 00:48:54.654 --> 00:48:55.689
- CHURCH WERE LIKE, "WHY WOULD YOU WATCH THAT
- 00:48:55.756 --> 00:48:57.057
- WOULD YOU WATCH THAT MOVIE-- AND HARRIET TUBMAN?
- 00:48:57.124 --> 00:48:57.657
- MOVIE-- AND HARRIET TUBMAN? AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING
- 00:48:57.724 --> 00:48:58.325
- AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?"
- 00:48:58.392 --> 00:48:59.593
- ABOUT?" AND EVEN MY BLACK FRIENDS
- 00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:00.160
- AND EVEN MY BLACK FRIENDS WERE LIKE, "THAT'S, LIKE,
- 00:49:00.227 --> 00:49:00.894
- WERE LIKE, "THAT'S, LIKE, AN OLD STORY.
- 00:49:00.961 --> 00:49:01.628
- AN OLD STORY. LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"
- 00:49:01.695 --> 00:49:02.529
- LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" AND IT BRANDED MY HEART
- 00:49:02.596 --> 00:49:03.764
- AND IT BRANDED MY HEART WITH IDENTITY, AND IT
- 00:49:03.830 --> 00:49:05.132
- WITH IDENTITY, AND IT BRANDED ME IN A WAY THAT
- 00:49:05.198 --> 00:49:07.034
- BRANDED ME IN A WAY THAT NO SERMON HAD EVER BRANDED
- 00:49:07.100 --> 00:49:08.835
- NO SERMON HAD EVER BRANDED ME TO HEAR HER STORY.
- 00:49:08.902 --> 00:49:09.903
- ME TO HEAR HER STORY. - BOBBY: AS A SECULAR
- 00:49:09.970 --> 00:49:10.404
- - BOBBY: AS A SECULAR MOVIE.
- 00:49:10.470 --> 00:49:11.271
- MOVIE. - SHAWN: YEAH, A SECULAR
- 00:49:11.338 --> 00:49:11.838
- - SHAWN: YEAH, A SECULAR MOVIE, TO HEAR HER STORY
- 00:49:11.905 --> 00:49:12.539
- MOVIE, TO HEAR HER STORY AND THEN WATCH HER STORY
- 00:49:12.606 --> 00:49:13.373
- AND THEN WATCH HER STORY PLAYED BY THIS INCREDIBLE
- 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.975
- PLAYED BY THIS INCREDIBLE ACTRESS WHO, YOU KNOW, WAS
- 00:49:15.042 --> 00:49:16.743
- ACTRESS WHO, YOU KNOW, WAS IN "GONE WITH THE WIND,"
- 00:49:16.810 --> 00:49:17.644
- IN "GONE WITH THE WIND," AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND
- 00:49:17.711 --> 00:49:18.812
- AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND I JUST THINK OF, LIKE,
- 00:49:18.879 --> 00:49:19.413
- I JUST THINK OF, LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF
- 00:49:19.479 --> 00:49:20.347
- THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN US
- 00:49:20.414 --> 00:49:21.515
- THAT HAPPENS IN US SPIRITUALLY WHEN WE ENGAGE
- 00:49:21.581 --> 00:49:22.916
- SPIRITUALLY WHEN WE ENGAGE THINGS AND WE ALLOW GOD TO
- 00:49:22.983 --> 00:49:24.317
- THINGS AND WE ALLOW GOD TO BE GOD IN ALL OF OUR LIFE,
- 00:49:24.384 --> 00:49:25.285
- BE GOD IN ALL OF OUR LIFE, NOT JUST IN THE CHRISTIAN,
- 00:49:25.352 --> 00:49:27.421
- NOT JUST IN THE CHRISTIAN, NICE SECTIONS AT CHURCH
- 00:49:27.487 --> 00:49:29.256
- NICE SECTIONS AT CHURCH AND IN PRAYER MEETINGS AND
- 00:49:29.322 --> 00:49:31.558
- AND IN PRAYER MEETINGS AND IN MIDWEEK SERVICE, AND
- 00:49:31.625 --> 00:49:32.125
- IN MIDWEEK SERVICE, AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT
- 00:49:32.192 --> 00:49:32.726
- THESE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT WE ALLOW GOD TO BE GOD IN
- 00:49:32.793 --> 00:49:34.161
- WE ALLOW GOD TO BE GOD IN ANY ENVIRONMENT WE'RE AT,
- 00:49:34.227 --> 00:49:35.429
- ANY ENVIRONMENT WE'RE AT, AND I'VE HAD THE LUXURY
- 00:49:35.495 --> 00:49:37.964
- AND I'VE HAD THE LUXURY AND THE BEAUTY OF ENJOYING
- 00:49:38.031 --> 00:49:39.166
- AND THE BEAUTY OF ENJOYING GOD BECAUSE I BELIEVE I
- 00:49:39.232 --> 00:49:40.567
- GOD BECAUSE I BELIEVE I CAN SEE HIM IN ALL THINGS,
- 00:49:40.634 --> 00:49:42.235
- CAN SEE HIM IN ALL THINGS, NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT
- 00:49:42.302 --> 00:49:43.303
- NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT ARE INHERENTLY SPIRITUAL,
- 00:49:43.370 --> 00:49:44.805
- ARE INHERENTLY SPIRITUAL, BUT I LOOK AT LIFE AS
- 00:49:44.871 --> 00:49:45.605
- BUT I LOOK AT LIFE AS SPIRITUAL.
- 00:49:45.672 --> 00:49:46.206
- SPIRITUAL. SO I AM LOOKING TO BUILD
- 00:49:46.273 --> 00:49:47.941
- SO I AM LOOKING TO BUILD AND PROTECT THAT
- 00:49:48.008 --> 00:49:48.542
- AND PROTECT THAT RELATIONSHIP, BUT I
- 00:49:48.608 --> 00:49:49.676
- RELATIONSHIP, BUT I BELIEVE THE RENAISSANCE IS
- 00:49:49.743 --> 00:49:50.677
- BELIEVE THE RENAISSANCE IS COMING, WHAT PASTORS
- 00:49:50.744 --> 00:49:52.112
- COMING, WHAT PASTORS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK
- 00:49:52.179 --> 00:49:53.080
- HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK OR WHAT HASN'T BEEN
- 00:49:53.146 --> 00:49:54.548
- OR WHAT HASN'T BEEN MAINSTREAM THOUGHT YET,
- 00:49:54.614 --> 00:49:56.550
- MAINSTREAM THOUGHT YET, WE'RE GONNA SEE GREAT
- 00:49:56.616 --> 00:49:58.185
- WE'RE GONNA SEE GREAT CHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
- 00:49:58.251 --> 00:49:59.486
- CHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE BRAVE TO MAKE
- 00:49:59.553 --> 00:50:00.420
- GONNA BE BRAVE TO MAKE MOVIES AND TELEVISION
- 00:50:00.487 --> 00:50:02.122
- MOVIES AND TELEVISION SHOWS, AND EVEN LOVE
- 00:50:02.189 --> 00:50:02.989
- SHOWS, AND EVEN LOVE SONGS, YOU KNOW?
- 00:50:03.056 --> 00:50:03.790
- SONGS, YOU KNOW? LIKE, I LIKE HOW A LOT OF
- 00:50:03.857 --> 00:50:04.891
- LIKE, I LIKE HOW A LOT OF OUR LOVE SONGS ARE WRITTEN
- 00:50:04.958 --> 00:50:05.792
- OUR LOVE SONGS ARE WRITTEN BY 20-YEAR-OLDS OR
- 00:50:05.859 --> 00:50:07.027
- BY 20-YEAR-OLDS OR 25-YEAR-OLDS WHO HAVE
- 00:50:07.094 --> 00:50:08.228
- 25-YEAR-OLDS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN IN LOVE BEFORE
- 00:50:08.295 --> 00:50:09.896
- NEVER BEEN IN LOVE BEFORE AND NEVER BEEN IN A
- 00:50:09.963 --> 00:50:10.330
- AND NEVER BEEN IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP,
- 00:50:10.397 --> 00:50:11.331
- COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP, BUT I THINK THERE'S GONNA
- 00:50:11.398 --> 00:50:12.499
- BUT I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A PERIOD IN TIME WHERE
- 00:50:12.566 --> 00:50:13.066
- BE A PERIOD IN TIME WHERE SOMEONE WHO'S 55, WHO MAY
- 00:50:13.133 --> 00:50:14.201
- SOMEONE WHO'S 55, WHO MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH A
- 00:50:14.267 --> 00:50:14.801
- HAVE GONE THROUGH A DIVORCE OR MAY HAVE BEEN--
- 00:50:14.868 --> 00:50:15.969
- DIVORCE OR MAY HAVE BEEN-- JUST HAD A COMMITTED
- 00:50:16.036 --> 00:50:16.603
- JUST HAD A COMMITTED MARRIAGE BUT KNOWS WHAT
- 00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:17.971
- MARRIAGE BUT KNOWS WHAT LOVE IS, WHO'S A CHRISTIAN
- 00:50:18.038 --> 00:50:19.072
- LOVE IS, WHO'S A CHRISTIAN WHO'S GONNA START WRITING
- 00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:19.906
- WHO'S GONNA START WRITING SONGS, THAT THE MAIN
- 00:50:19.973 --> 00:50:21.608
- SONGS, THAT THE MAIN PEOPLE THAT WE SEE IN
- 00:50:21.675 --> 00:50:23.743
- PEOPLE THAT WE SEE IN CULTURE ARE GONNA SAY,
- 00:50:23.810 --> 00:50:25.645
- CULTURE ARE GONNA SAY, "I'M GONNA SING THAT SONG
- 00:50:25.712 --> 00:50:26.680
- "I'M GONNA SING THAT SONG 'CAUSE THAT FEELS REAL,
- 00:50:26.746 --> 00:50:27.180
- 'CAUSE THAT FEELS REAL, THAT FEELS AUTHENTIC."
- 00:50:27.247 --> 00:50:28.582
- THAT FEELS AUTHENTIC." I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A
- 00:50:28.648 --> 00:50:29.382
- I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A MOVE OF AUTHENTICITY IN
- 00:50:29.449 --> 00:50:30.250
- MOVE OF AUTHENTICITY IN THE ARTS THAT'S GONNA
- 00:50:30.317 --> 00:50:31.284
- THE ARTS THAT'S GONNA CAUSE US TO LOOK FOR A
- 00:50:31.351 --> 00:50:32.085
- CAUSE US TO LOOK FOR A REAL RELATIONSHIP, AND THE
- 00:50:32.152 --> 00:50:32.652
- REAL RELATIONSHIP, AND THE ONLY PLACE YOU FIND
- 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:34.688
- ONLY PLACE YOU FIND COMPLETE RELATIONSHIP IS
- 00:50:34.754 --> 00:50:35.589
- COMPLETE RELATIONSHIP IS THROUGH THE GOSPEL,
- 00:50:35.655 --> 00:50:36.056
- THROUGH THE GOSPEL, THROUGH JESUS, AND I THINK
- 00:50:36.123 --> 00:50:37.591
- THROUGH JESUS, AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
- 00:50:37.657 --> 00:50:38.091
- THAT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EVEN EVANGELISTS, WHO
- 00:50:38.158 --> 00:50:39.326
- EVEN EVANGELISTS, WHO AREN'T EVEN SAVED ARE
- 00:50:39.392 --> 00:50:40.160
- AREN'T EVEN SAVED ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THE BEST
- 00:50:40.227 --> 00:50:41.228
- GONNA BE SOME OF THE BEST EVANGELISTS BECAUSE OF
- 00:50:41.294 --> 00:50:41.761
- EVANGELISTS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN
- 00:50:41.828 --> 00:50:43.396
- WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR ART AND THEIR CRAFT,
- 00:50:43.463 --> 00:50:44.231
- THEIR ART AND THEIR CRAFT, AND WE'LL BE LIKE,
- 00:50:44.297 --> 00:50:45.332
- AND WE'LL BE LIKE, "OH, MY GOSH, THEY'RE DOING IT.
- 00:50:45.398 --> 00:50:46.433
- "OH, MY GOSH, THEY'RE DOING IT. THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW."
- 00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:47.434
- THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW." BETTER THAN MAYBE THE
- 00:50:47.501 --> 00:50:48.635
- BETTER THAN MAYBE THE BEST WORSHIP LEADER IN
- 00:50:48.702 --> 00:50:51.671
- BEST WORSHIP LEADER IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW IN
- 00:50:51.738 --> 00:50:52.639
- THE WORLD RIGHT NOW IN CHURCH, WE'RE GONNA SEE
- 00:50:52.706 --> 00:50:54.074
- CHURCH, WE'RE GONNA SEE PEOPLE WHO HAVE 40 MILLION
- 00:50:54.141 --> 00:50:55.275
- PEOPLE WHO HAVE 40 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWING
- 00:50:55.342 --> 00:50:55.809
- PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWING ON TWITTER OR INSTAGRAM,
- 00:50:55.876 --> 00:50:57.310
- ON TWITTER OR INSTAGRAM, AND THEY'RE GONNA SING ONE
- 00:50:57.377 --> 00:50:57.878
- AND THEY'RE GONNA SING ONE SONG, AND THAT BECOMES
- 00:50:57.944 --> 00:50:58.678
- SONG, AND THAT BECOMES SOMETHING.
- 00:50:58.745 --> 00:50:59.312
- SOMETHING. - BOBBY: I THINK WHAT--
- 00:50:59.379 --> 00:50:59.846
- - BOBBY: I THINK WHAT-- SO, LIKE, I GUESS, I'M
- 00:50:59.913 --> 00:51:00.413
- SO, LIKE, I GUESS, I'M HEARING YOU SAY, LIKE THE
- 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:01.381
- HEARING YOU SAY, LIKE THE OTHER WARNING, WHEN WE
- 00:51:01.448 --> 00:51:02.849
- OTHER WARNING, WHEN WE LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT'S
- 00:51:02.916 --> 00:51:03.350
- LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT'S SECULAR AND WE SAY,
- 00:51:03.416 --> 00:51:04.184
- SECULAR AND WE SAY, "GOD'S NOT IN THAT"--
- 00:51:04.251 --> 00:51:05.152
- "GOD'S NOT IN THAT"-- WARNING, BECAUSE, ONE,
- 00:51:05.218 --> 00:51:07.621
- WARNING, BECAUSE, ONE, YOU DON'T KNOW.
- 00:51:07.687 --> 00:51:08.455
- YOU DON'T KNOW. GOD CAN BE TOTALLY IN THAT
- 00:51:08.522 --> 00:51:10.357
- GOD CAN BE TOTALLY IN THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT
- 00:51:10.423 --> 00:51:11.591
- JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT OBVIOUS.
- 00:51:11.658 --> 00:51:12.325
- OBVIOUS. GOD'S IN A LOT OF THINGS
- 00:51:12.392 --> 00:51:12.826
- GOD'S IN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HE'S NOT OBVIOUSLY IN.
- 00:51:12.893 --> 00:51:14.594
- THAT HE'S NOT OBVIOUSLY IN. BUT THE SECOND IS YOU CAN
- 00:51:14.661 --> 00:51:16.363
- BUT THE SECOND IS YOU CAN BE MISSING OUT ON YOUR
- 00:51:16.429 --> 00:51:17.597
- BE MISSING OUT ON YOUR CALLING BECAUSE THAT MIGHT
- 00:51:17.664 --> 00:51:19.065
- CALLING BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE THE THING YOU'RE
- 00:51:19.132 --> 00:51:19.966
- BE THE THING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE
- 00:51:20.033 --> 00:51:20.500
- SUPPOSED TO DO IN THE KINGDOM, RIGHT?
- 00:51:20.567 --> 00:51:21.101
- KINGDOM, RIGHT? SO MANY OF US THINK,
- 00:51:21.168 --> 00:51:21.701
- SO MANY OF US THINK, "MY CALLING IS GONNA BE TO BE
- 00:51:21.768 --> 00:51:22.769
- "MY CALLING IS GONNA BE TO BE A PASTOR,"
- 00:51:22.836 --> 00:51:25.305
- A PASTOR," "IT'S GONNA BE TO
- 00:51:25.372 --> 00:51:25.805
- "IT'S GONNA BE TO BE AN EVANGELIST", OR
- 00:51:25.872 --> 00:51:26.940
- BE AN EVANGELIST", OR TO BE A WORSHIP LEADER,
- 00:51:27.007 --> 00:51:28.208
- TO BE A WORSHIP LEADER, OR A LOT OF US LIKE BUSINESS,
- 00:51:28.275 --> 00:51:29.709
- OR A LOT OF US LIKE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT ONE'S
- 00:51:29.776 --> 00:51:31.111
- YOU KNOW, AND THAT ONE'S OKAY, BUT THEN THERE'S
- 00:51:31.178 --> 00:51:32.979
- OKAY, BUT THEN THERE'S THESE OTHER THINGS,
- 00:51:33.046 --> 00:51:33.446
- THESE OTHER THINGS, ESPECIALLY IN
- 00:51:33.513 --> 00:51:34.314
- ESPECIALLY IN ENTERTAINMENT, WE'RE LIKE--
- 00:51:34.381 --> 00:51:35.382
- ENTERTAINMENT, WE'RE LIKE-- LIKE, HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.
- 00:51:35.448 --> 00:51:36.883
- LIKE, HERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. WELL, IT'S YOUR EXAMPLE.
- 00:51:36.950 --> 00:51:38.251
- WELL, IT'S YOUR EXAMPLE. I HOPE YOU'RE OKAY TELLING IT?
- 00:51:38.318 --> 00:51:39.586
- I HOPE YOU'RE OKAY TELLING IT? 'CAUSE YOU TOLD ME BACKSTAGE.
- 00:51:39.653 --> 00:51:40.220
- 'CAUSE YOU TOLD ME BACKSTAGE. - SHAWN: YEAH.
- 00:51:40.287 --> 00:51:41.021
- - SHAWN: YEAH. - BOBBY: BUT YOU TALKED
- 00:51:41.087 --> 00:51:41.588
- - BOBBY: BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT A GUY WHOSE CALLING
- 00:51:41.655 --> 00:51:43.623
- ABOUT A GUY WHOSE CALLING WAS IN VIDEO GAMES 'CAUSE
- 00:51:43.690 --> 00:51:44.691
- WAS IN VIDEO GAMES 'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR
- 00:51:44.758 --> 00:51:45.625
- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PAST IN VIDEO GAMES,
- 00:51:45.692 --> 00:51:46.793
- PAST IN VIDEO GAMES, WHICH, TO ME, STILL BLOWS
- 00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:47.694
- WHICH, TO ME, STILL BLOWS MY MIND.
- 00:51:47.761 --> 00:51:48.228
- MY MIND. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:51:48.295 --> 00:51:48.695
- [LAUGHTER] HOW MUCH VIDEO GAMES?
- 00:51:48.762 --> 00:51:50.830
- HOW MUCH VIDEO GAMES? IT'S LIKE I'M--
- 00:51:50.897 --> 00:51:51.698
- IT'S LIKE I'M-- - SHAWN: I WAS GOIN' TO
- 00:51:51.765 --> 00:51:52.866
- - SHAWN: I WAS GOIN' TO WARZONES MAKING VIDEO
- 00:51:52.933 --> 00:51:53.800
- WARZONES MAKING VIDEO GAMES AND DOING
- 00:51:53.867 --> 00:51:54.534
- GAMES AND DOING PROPHETIC MINISTRY.
- 00:51:54.601 --> 00:51:55.101
- PROPHETIC MINISTRY. - BOBBY: IT'S CRAZY--
- 00:51:55.168 --> 00:51:55.569
- - BOBBY: IT'S CRAZY-- - SHAWN: IT'S SUCH A WEIRD
- 00:51:55.635 --> 00:51:56.369
- - SHAWN: IT'S SUCH A WEIRD COMBINATION.
- 00:51:56.436 --> 00:51:57.938
- COMBINATION. - BOBBY: -- I MEAN, IT'S
- 00:51:58.004 --> 00:51:58.638
- - BOBBY: -- I MEAN, IT'S CRAZY BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES
- 00:51:58.705 --> 00:52:00.440
- CRAZY BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES HAVE WEIRDLY BECOME THIS
- 00:52:00.507 --> 00:52:01.708
- HAVE WEIRDLY BECOME THIS BIG-- LIKE, IT USED TO BE
- 00:52:01.775 --> 00:52:02.275
- BIG-- LIKE, IT USED TO BE JUST FOR KIDS, AND NOW
- 00:52:02.342 --> 00:52:02.776
- JUST FOR KIDS, AND NOW THEY'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS
- 00:52:02.842 --> 00:52:03.877
- THEY'RE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON
- 00:52:03.944 --> 00:52:04.411
- OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON GAMES.
- 00:52:04.477 --> 00:52:05.445
- GAMES. - SHAWN: IT'S THE
- 00:52:05.512 --> 00:52:05.845
- - SHAWN: IT'S THE BIGGEST INDUSTRY,
- 00:52:05.912 --> 00:52:06.346
- BIGGEST INDUSTRY, ENTERTAINMENT.
- 00:52:06.413 --> 00:52:06.780
- ENTERTAINMENT. - BOBBY: IS IT REALLY THE
- 00:52:06.846 --> 00:52:07.347
- - BOBBY: IS IT REALLY THE BIGGEST?
- 00:52:07.414 --> 00:52:07.614
- BIGGEST? - SHAWN: YEAH.
- 00:52:07.681 --> 00:52:08.081
- - SHAWN: YEAH. - BOBBY: SO, I MEAN,
- 00:52:08.148 --> 00:52:08.682
- - BOBBY: SO, I MEAN, THERE WAS A GUY, YOU SAID,
- 00:52:08.748 --> 00:52:09.249
- THERE WAS A GUY, YOU SAID, THAT GOD TOLD HIM THAT HIS
- 00:52:09.316 --> 00:52:10.550
- THAT GOD TOLD HIM THAT HIS CALLING WAS IN VIDEO
- 00:52:10.617 --> 00:52:11.084
- CALLING WAS IN VIDEO GAMES, AND THEN, YOU KNOW--
- 00:52:11.151 --> 00:52:12.152
- GAMES, AND THEN, YOU KNOW-- - SHAWN: LET ME TELL
- 00:52:12.219 --> 00:52:13.453
- - SHAWN: LET ME TELL YOU THE STORY REAL
- 00:52:13.520 --> 00:52:14.821
- YOU THE STORY REAL FAST BECAUSE HE WAS A
- 00:52:14.888 --> 00:52:15.322
- FAST BECAUSE HE WAS A PRISON GUARD, AND HE HAD A
- 00:52:15.388 --> 00:52:16.590
- PRISON GUARD, AND HE HAD A DREAM ONE NIGHT, AND HE
- 00:52:16.656 --> 00:52:19.059
- DREAM ONE NIGHT, AND HE WAS REALLY GOOD AT VIDEO
- 00:52:19.125 --> 00:52:20.627
- WAS REALLY GOOD AT VIDEO GAMES, AND HE HAD A DREAM
- 00:52:20.694 --> 00:52:21.194
- GAMES, AND HE HAD A DREAM ONE NIGHT, AND GOD SAID,
- 00:52:21.261 --> 00:52:22.062
- ONE NIGHT, AND GOD SAID, "I'VE GIVEN YOU THE GIFT
- 00:52:22.128 --> 00:52:22.662
- "I'VE GIVEN YOU THE GIFT OF VIDEO GAMES.
- 00:52:22.729 --> 00:52:23.663
- OF VIDEO GAMES. WHY AREN'T YOU USING IT?"
- 00:52:23.730 --> 00:52:24.764
- WHY AREN'T YOU USING IT?" AND HE FELT BAD BECAUSE HE
- 00:52:24.831 --> 00:52:25.565
- AND HE FELT BAD BECAUSE HE WAS RAISED IN THE '80s
- 00:52:25.632 --> 00:52:27.033
- WAS RAISED IN THE '80s CHRISTIANITY WHERE VIDEO
- 00:52:27.100 --> 00:52:27.567
- CHRISTIANITY WHERE VIDEO GAMES WERE BAD.
- 00:52:27.634 --> 00:52:28.034
- GAMES WERE BAD. THEY MOSTLY HAVE VIOLENCE
- 00:52:28.101 --> 00:52:29.135
- THEY MOSTLY HAVE VIOLENCE AND THEN WHATEVER, AND
- 00:52:29.202 --> 00:52:29.603
- AND THEN WHATEVER, AND HE'S BRILLIANT AT THE GAME.
- 00:52:29.669 --> 00:52:31.338
- HE'S BRILLIANT AT THE GAME. I MEAN, HE'S A PRODIGY OF
- 00:52:31.404 --> 00:52:32.772
- I MEAN, HE'S A PRODIGY OF VIDEO GAMES, AND HE WOKE
- 00:52:32.839 --> 00:52:33.373
- VIDEO GAMES, AND HE WOKE UP THE NEXT MORNING, AND
- 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.108
- UP THE NEXT MORNING, AND HE TOLD HIS WIFE, "THERE'S
- 00:52:35.175 --> 00:52:35.675
- HE TOLD HIS WIFE, "THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE IN VIDEO
- 00:52:35.742 --> 00:52:36.810
- MONEY TO BE MADE IN VIDEO GAMES, AND GOD'S GIVEN ME
- 00:52:36.876 --> 00:52:37.377
- GAMES, AND GOD'S GIVEN ME THE GIFT.
- 00:52:37.444 --> 00:52:39.646
- THE GIFT. CAN I TELL YOU ABOUT IT?"
- 00:52:39.713 --> 00:52:40.213
- CAN I TELL YOU ABOUT IT?" SO HE TELLS HER, AND SHE
- 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:41.014
- SO HE TELLS HER, AND SHE GOES, "OKAY, I'LL GIVE
- 00:52:41.081 --> 00:52:41.514
- GOES, "OKAY, I'LL GIVE THREE MONTHS TO PURSUE THIS."
- 00:52:41.581 --> 00:52:43.984
- THREE MONTHS TO PURSUE THIS." AND SO HE GOT INTO
- 00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:44.417
- AND SO HE GOT INTO A TOURNAMENT, ONE OF THE
- 00:52:44.484 --> 00:52:45.652
- A TOURNAMENT, ONE OF THE MAIN-GAME TOURNAMENTS,
- 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:46.753
- MAIN-GAME TOURNAMENTS, AND HE WON THE MILLION-DOLLAR
- 00:52:46.820 --> 00:52:47.387
- AND HE WON THE MILLION-DOLLAR PRIZE IN THAT TOURNAMENT
- 00:52:47.454 --> 00:52:49.522
- PRIZE IN THAT TOURNAMENT AND THEN GOT SPONSORED BY
- 00:52:49.589 --> 00:52:50.090
- AND THEN GOT SPONSORED BY THREE COMPANIES AND NOW IS
- 00:52:50.156 --> 00:52:51.491
- THREE COMPANIES AND NOW IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SWITCH
- 00:52:51.558 --> 00:52:52.525
- ONE OF THE BIGGEST SWITCH GAMERS, AND HE'S A CHRISTIAN.
- 00:52:52.592 --> 00:52:53.260
- GAMERS, AND HE'S A CHRISTIAN. AND HE'S ABLE TO SAY
- 00:52:53.326 --> 00:52:54.261
- AND HE'S ABLE TO SAY THINGS TO 25.000 PEOPLE
- 00:52:54.327 --> 00:52:56.062
- THINGS TO 25.000 PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING AT A TIME.
- 00:52:56.129 --> 00:52:59.266
- WHO ARE WATCHING AT A TIME. HE'S ABLE TO SAY THINGS.
- 00:52:59.332 --> 00:53:00.000
- HE'S ABLE TO SAY THINGS. HE SHARES HIS JOURNEY WITH
- 00:53:00.066 --> 00:53:00.567
- HE SHARES HIS JOURNEY WITH US, SORT OF, LIKE, WHEN HE
- 00:53:00.634 --> 00:53:01.201
- US, SORT OF, LIKE, WHEN HE GOT-- THEY GOT-- HAD THEIR
- 00:53:01.268 --> 00:53:01.768
- GOT-- THEY GOT-- HAD THEIR THIRD BABY, HE WAS SHARING
- 00:53:01.835 --> 00:53:02.335
- THIRD BABY, HE WAS SHARING ABOUT, LIKE, "OH, MY GOSH,
- 00:53:02.402 --> 00:53:03.536
- ABOUT, LIKE, "OH, MY GOSH, AS A CHRISTIAN DAD, LIKE,
- 00:53:03.603 --> 00:53:05.905
- AS A CHRISTIAN DAD, LIKE, PRAYING FOR THIS CHILD,
- 00:53:05.972 --> 00:53:06.539
- PRAYING FOR THIS CHILD, I'M DREAMING OF HER LIFE.
- 00:53:06.606 --> 00:53:07.107
- I'M DREAMING OF HER LIFE. I'M DREAMING OF--" AND
- 00:53:07.173 --> 00:53:08.475
- I'M DREAMING OF--" AND HE'S SAYING THINGS THAT WE
- 00:53:08.541 --> 00:53:09.276
- HE'S SAYING THINGS THAT WE WOULD SAY AS PASTORS IN A
- 00:53:09.342 --> 00:53:10.343
- WOULD SAY AS PASTORS IN A CHURCH, BUT NO ONE'S EVER
- 00:53:10.410 --> 00:53:12.145
- CHURCH, BUT NO ONE'S EVER GONNA HEAR THAT ON TWITCH.
- 00:53:12.212 --> 00:53:14.114
- GONNA HEAR THAT ON TWITCH. - BOBBY: YEAH, AND HIS
- 00:53:14.180 --> 00:53:14.648
- - BOBBY: YEAH, AND HIS AUDIENCE, HE'S HAVING SUCH
- 00:53:14.714 --> 00:53:15.415
- AUDIENCE, HE'S HAVING SUCH A BIGGER IMPACT.
- 00:53:15.482 --> 00:53:16.216
- A BIGGER IMPACT. WE THINK ABOUT, MAN, I
- 00:53:16.283 --> 00:53:17.217
- WE THINK ABOUT, MAN, I BARELY DIP MY TOE IN THAT
- 00:53:17.284 --> 00:53:18.952
- BARELY DIP MY TOE IN THAT WORLD, YOU KNOW?
- 00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:21.621
- WORLD, YOU KNOW? I'VE LIKED VIDEO GAMES,
- 00:53:21.688 --> 00:53:23.523
- I'VE LIKED VIDEO GAMES, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE
- 00:53:23.590 --> 00:53:24.658
- BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE GAMING COMMUNITY, BUT THEY
- 00:53:24.724 --> 00:53:25.792
- GAMING COMMUNITY, BUT THEY ARE ANTI-GOD, A LOT OF
- 00:53:25.859 --> 00:53:27.394
- ARE ANTI-GOD, A LOT OF THEM, OR VERY-- OR BUT
- 00:53:27.460 --> 00:53:28.795
- THEM, OR VERY-- OR BUT SEEKING, YOU KNOW?
- 00:53:28.862 --> 00:53:29.963
- SEEKING, YOU KNOW? THERE'S LIKE, THIS
- 00:53:30.030 --> 00:53:31.197
- THERE'S LIKE, THIS OPENNESS TO GOD, BUT THEY
- 00:53:31.264 --> 00:53:32.065
- OPENNESS TO GOD, BUT THEY KNOW THEY DON'T LIKE
- 00:53:32.132 --> 00:53:37.437
- KNOW THEY DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANITY OR SOMETHING,
- 00:53:37.504 --> 00:53:38.138
- CHRISTIANITY OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THIS,
- 00:53:38.204 --> 00:53:38.672
- YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THIS, BUT TO BE LIKE HIM AND TO
- 00:53:38.738 --> 00:53:39.339
- BUT TO BE LIKE HIM AND TO BE IN THAT POSITION TO
- 00:53:39.406 --> 00:53:40.006
- BE IN THAT POSITION TO SHARE, LIKE, HE'S PROBABLY
- 00:53:40.073 --> 00:53:40.840
- SHARE, LIKE, HE'S PROBABLY MAKIN' A HUGE IMPACT FOR GOD.
- 00:53:40.907 --> 00:53:41.975
- MAKIN' A HUGE IMPACT FOR GOD. - SHAWN: AND A LOT OF--
- 00:53:42.042 --> 00:53:42.709
- - SHAWN: AND A LOT OF-- THAT'S A LOT OF--
- 00:53:42.776 --> 00:53:43.310
- THAT'S A LOT OF-- - BOBBY: SO THIS IS WHAT I'M
- 00:53:43.376 --> 00:53:43.943
- - BOBBY: SO THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS A LOT OF PEOPLE
- 00:53:44.010 --> 00:53:44.644
- SAYING IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE MISSING OUT.
- 00:53:44.711 --> 00:53:45.378
- ARE GONNA BE MISSING OUT. IF THEY CAN HEAR WHAT
- 00:53:45.445 --> 00:53:46.579
- IF THEY CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT'S
- 00:53:46.646 --> 00:53:47.113
- YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT'S THROUGH A LOT-- GOD IS IN
- 00:53:47.180 --> 00:53:48.481
- THROUGH A LOT-- GOD IS IN A LOT OF SECULAR THINGS,
- 00:53:48.548 --> 00:53:49.316
- A LOT OF SECULAR THINGS, OR A LOT OF SECULAR THINGS
- 00:53:49.382 --> 00:53:50.050
- OR A LOT OF SECULAR THINGS ARE NEUTRAL, OR A LOT OF
- 00:53:50.116 --> 00:53:51.918
- ARE NEUTRAL, OR A LOT OF SECULAR THINGS ARE
- 00:53:51.985 --> 00:53:53.253
- SECULAR THINGS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND ARE WORTH
- 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:54.688
- BEAUTIFUL AND ARE WORTH HAVING JUST BECAUSE
- 00:53:54.754 --> 00:53:55.455
- HAVING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, IN
- 00:53:55.522 --> 00:53:56.156
- THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, IN BALANCE, AND IN DISCERNMENT.
- 00:53:56.222 --> 00:53:58.158
- BALANCE, AND IN DISCERNMENT. LIKE, DISCERNMENT'S THAT
- 00:53:58.224 --> 00:53:58.692
- LIKE, DISCERNMENT'S THAT KEY, BUT FOR MANY OF US,
- 00:53:58.758 --> 00:54:02.696
- KEY, BUT FOR MANY OF US, IT'S ACTUALLY OUR DESTINY.
- 00:54:02.762 --> 00:54:04.464
- IT'S ACTUALLY OUR DESTINY. IT'S THE CALLING WE HAVE,
- 00:54:04.531 --> 00:54:05.432
- IT'S THE CALLING WE HAVE, AND SO THE FREEDOM, THE
- 00:54:05.498 --> 00:54:07.667
- AND SO THE FREEDOM, THE THING YOU GET FROM FREEDOM
- 00:54:07.734 --> 00:54:09.202
- THING YOU GET FROM FREEDOM IS ALSO FIGURING OUT,
- 00:54:09.269 --> 00:54:10.570
- IS ALSO FIGURING OUT, "WHOA, GOD HAS CALLED ME
- 00:54:10.637 --> 00:54:11.805
- "WHOA, GOD HAS CALLED ME THERE."
- 00:54:11.871 --> 00:54:13.139
- THERE." - SHAWN: YEAH, AND I THINK
- 00:54:13.206 --> 00:54:14.174
- - SHAWN: YEAH, AND I THINK THAT THIS CONVERSATION
- 00:54:14.240 --> 00:54:15.208
- THAT THIS CONVERSATION HELPS A LOT OF WHERE
- 00:54:15.275 --> 00:54:16.276
- HELPS A LOT OF WHERE GOD WANTS TO POPULATE
- 00:54:16.343 --> 00:54:17.577
- GOD WANTS TO POPULATE CHRISTIANS INTO THE WORLD,
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- CHRISTIANS INTO THE WORLD, NOT JUST TO BE IN
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- NOT JUST TO BE IN THE CHURCH IN A REAL
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- THE CHURCH IN A REAL SAFE SPACE AND SHELTER,
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- SAFE SPACE AND SHELTER, BUT HE WANTS TO ACTUALLY
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- BUT HE WANTS TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT EXPERIENCE.
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- TAKE THAT EXPERIENCE. "ARISE AND SHINE, FOR YOUR
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- "ARISE AND SHINE, FOR YOUR LIGHT HAS COME, AND THE
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- LIGHT HAS COME, AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD IS UPON
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- GLORY OF THE LORD IS UPON YOU.
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- YOU. SEE, THICK DARKNESS COVERS
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- SEE, THICK DARKNESS COVERS THE EARTH, BUT GOD'S LIGHT
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- THE EARTH, BUT GOD'S LIGHT WILL SHINE ON YOU,"
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- WILL SHINE ON YOU," ISAIAH 60.
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- ISAIAH 60. IT IS TIME, AND WE'RE
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- IT IS TIME, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE A MOVE INTO THIS
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- GONNA SEE A MOVE INTO THIS FILM AND TELEVISION WHERE
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- FILM AND TELEVISION WHERE IT'S THE BRIGHTEST LIGHT
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- IT'S THE BRIGHTEST LIGHT RIGHT NOW IN CULTURE.
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- RIGHT NOW IN CULTURE. WE'RE GONNA SEE A MOVE OF
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- WE'RE GONNA SEE A MOVE OF CHRISTIANS OCCUPYING AND
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- CHRISTIANS OCCUPYING AND POPULATING THOSE AS CAREERS,
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- POPULATING THOSE AS CAREERS, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
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- LIKE YOU'RE SAYING. - BOBBY: AMEN, WELL,
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- - BOBBY: AMEN, WELL, SHAWN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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- SHAWN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHAT AN AWESOME TIME TO
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- WHAT AN AWESOME TIME TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
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- TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF
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- I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF
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- PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF QUESTION MARKS, PROBABLY
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- QUESTION MARKS, PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE REJECTED IT,
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- SOME PEOPLE REJECTED IT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF
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- BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA FEEL HELPED.
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- PEOPLE ARE GONNA FEEL HELPED. WE APPRECIATE YOU.
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- WE APPRECIATE YOU. - SHAWN: GOOD, WELL,
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- - SHAWN: GOOD, WELL, THANKS FOR LETTING ME HAVE
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- THANKS FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
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- THE CONVERSATION. - BOBBY: I WANNA SAY
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- - BOBBY: I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO YOU.
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- THANK YOU TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
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- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
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- JOINING US. WE WANT YOU TO ALWAYS PUT
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- WE WANT YOU TO ALWAYS PUT GOD FIRST IN YOUR LIFE AND
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- GOD FIRST IN YOUR LIFE AND TO TRUST IN HIM THROUGH
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- TO TRUST IN HIM THROUGH TOUGH TIMES.
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- TOUGH TIMES. WE REALLY ARE SO GLAD THAT
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- WE REALLY ARE SO GLAD THAT YOU JOINED US, AND I KNOW
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- YOU JOINED US, AND I KNOW YOUR BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD.
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- YOUR BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD. GOD BLESS YOU.
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- GOD BLESS YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
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- HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
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