Eric Metaxas welcomes celebrated television personality and four-time Emmy Award winner; Kathie Lee Gifford to share about her faith and cherished conversations that she’s had with others about Jesus. While some of the people Kathie Lee has spoken with do not share her belief that Jesus is the Messiah they nonetheless have a universal fascination with Him.
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show | Guest Kathie Lee Gifford | January 6, 2022
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- [MUSIC] - ERIC METAXAS: THIS
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- - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM IS SPONSORED IN
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- PROGRAM IS SPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD, GIVING
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- PART BY CARSHIELD, GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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- THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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- - ERIC: THIS NEW YEAR, I
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- - ERIC: THIS NEW YEAR, I BELIEVE, PROPHETICALLY IS
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- BELIEVE, PROPHETICALLY IS GONNA BE HISTORIC.
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- GONNA BE HISTORIC. I BELIEVE THAT WHAT I TALK
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- I BELIEVE THAT WHAT I TALK ABOUT WITH MY GUEST COMING UP
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- ABOUT WITH MY GUEST COMING UP RIGHT NOW, KATHIE LEE GIFFORD,
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- RIGHT NOW, KATHIE LEE GIFFORD, IN A WAY, IS A MODEL FOR WHAT
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- IN A WAY, IS A MODEL FOR WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE HAPPENING AMONG
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- WE'RE GONNA SEE HAPPENING AMONG BELIEVERS IN THE
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- BELIEVERS IN THE UNITED STATES.
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- UNITED STATES. OUR FAITH IS NOT GONNA BE
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- OUR FAITH IS NOT GONNA BE PRIVATE.
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- PRIVATE. OUR FAITH ISN'T SUPPOSED
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- OUR FAITH ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN SOME RELIGIOUS
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- TO BE IN SOME RELIGIOUS CORNER.
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- CORNER. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LIVE OUR
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- WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LIVE OUR FAITH OUT WHEREVER WE GO.
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- FAITH OUT WHEREVER WE GO. THAT'S GOD'S MANDATE TO US
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- THAT'S GOD'S MANDATE TO US ALWAYS, BUT I GENUINELY
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- ALWAYS, BUT I GENUINELY THINK THAT, IN THIS NEW
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- THINK THAT, IN THIS NEW YEAR AHEAD, THE BODY OF
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- YEAR AHEAD, THE BODY OF CHRIST IS GOING TO BE
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- CHRIST IS GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
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- DOING THAT. WE'RE GONNA LIVE OUR FAITH
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- WE'RE GONNA LIVE OUR FAITH OUT WHEREVER WE GO, AND
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- OUT WHEREVER WE GO, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE LIVES
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- WE'RE GONNA SEE LIVES CHANGED AS A RESULT.
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- CHANGED AS A RESULT. THAT'S THE POINT,
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- THAT'S THE POINT, SO I HOPE YOU ENJOY MY
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- SO I HOPE YOU ENJOY MY INTERVIEW WITH MY FRIEND
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- INTERVIEW WITH MY FRIEND KATHIE LEE GIFFORD.
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- KATHIE LEE GIFFORD. SHE'S BEEN DOIN' THIS MOST
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- SHE'S BEEN DOIN' THIS MOST OF HER LIFE AS YOU'LL SEE.
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- OF HER LIFE AS YOU'LL SEE. AND ONCE AGAIN,
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- AND ONCE AGAIN, HAPPY NEW YEAR...YOU.
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- [MUSIC] [SMOOCH]
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- [SMOOCH] [WHOOSH]
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- [WHOOSH] [DOOR SLAMMING]
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- [DOOR SLAMMING] [BING]
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- [BING] [REVVING, SCREECHING]
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- [MUSIC] - MALE: HEY.
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- - MALE: HEY. [MUSIC]
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- [BOINK] [ENGINE REVVING]
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- [CRASH] [CHEERS]
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- [MUSIC] ♪ THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW ♪
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- ♪ THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW ♪ - ERIC: HEY THERE, KIDS.
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- THIS IS "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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- THIS IS "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW." I'M ERIC METAXAS,
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- I'M ERIC METAXAS, AND I'M TALKIN' TO
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- AND I'M TALKIN' TO KATHIE LEE GIFFORD.
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- - KATHIE LEE GIFFORD:
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- - KATHIE LEE GIFFORD: 'CAUSE SHE HAS NOTHING
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- 'CAUSE SHE HAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
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- ELSE TO DO. - ERIC: YOU'VE GOT NOTHIN'
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- - ERIC: YOU'VE GOT NOTHIN' TO DO, KATHIE.
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- TO DO, KATHIE. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] KATHIE, YOU, JUST, YOU'RE
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- KATHIE, YOU, JUST, YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE--
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- ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE-- I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE.
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- I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE. YOU, JUST, YOU MAKE ME HAPPY.
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- YOU, JUST, YOU MAKE ME HAPPY. I START CRACKING STUPID
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- I START CRACKING STUPID JOKES 'CAUSE THAT'S THE
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- JOKES 'CAUSE THAT'S THE WAVELENGTH THAT YOU'RE ON.
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- WAVELENGTH THAT YOU'RE ON. - KATHIE LEE: I TAKE IT
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- - KATHIE LEE: I TAKE IT AS A COMPLIMENT.
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- AS A COMPLIMENT. - ERIC: WELL, YOU BETTER.
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- - ERIC: WELL, YOU BETTER. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] BUT THAT'S THE WAVELENGTH
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- BUT THAT'S THE WAVELENGTH YOU'RE ON THAT YOU'RE
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- YOU'RE ON THAT YOU'RE FUNNY, YOU CAN DO SHTICK,
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- FUNNY, YOU CAN DO SHTICK, YOU CAN SING, AND THEN YOU
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- YOU CAN SING, AND THEN YOU WRITE BOOKS.
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- WRITE BOOKS. AND SO THE REASON YOU'RE
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- AND SO THE REASON YOU'RE IN THE STUDIO TODAY IS NOT
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- IN THE STUDIO TODAY IS NOT TO SING ALTHOUGH PERHAPS
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- TO SING ALTHOUGH PERHAPS YOU WILL.
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- YOU WILL. - KATHIE LEE: I MIGHT
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- - KATHIE LEE: I MIGHT BREAK INTO SONG.
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- BREAK INTO SONG. - ERIC: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN--
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- - ERIC: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN-- - KATHIE LEE: PRAY THAT I
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- - KATHIE LEE: PRAY THAT I DON'T.
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- DON'T. - ERIC: HUH?
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- - ERIC: HUH? WHAT DO YA SAY?
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- WHAT DO YA SAY? - KATHIE LEE: SHE AIN'T
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- - KATHIE LEE: SHE AIN'T WHAT SHE USED TO BE.
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- WHAT SHE USED TO BE. - ERIC: BUT YOU HAVE A
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- - ERIC: BUT YOU HAVE A BOOK OUT, SO THAT'S
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- BOOK OUT, SO THAT'S OSTENSIBLY WHY YOU'RE HERE.
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- OSTENSIBLY WHY YOU'RE HERE. BUT I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR
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- BUT I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AND YOU
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- QUITE A LONG TIME, AND YOU ARE A WOMAN OF FAITH, AND
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- ARE A WOMAN OF FAITH, AND THE THING THAT I SAY TO
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- THE THING THAT I SAY TO PEOPLE, AND I'VE SAID THIS
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- PEOPLE, AND I'VE SAID THIS FOR YEARS-- I DON'T KNOW
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- FOR YEARS-- I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU
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- IF I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU PUBLICLY, BUT WHAT I'VE
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- PUBLICLY, BUT WHAT I'VE ALWAYS FELT WE NEEDED IN
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- ALWAYS FELT WE NEEDED IN THE CULTURE AND I'VE
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- THE CULTURE AND I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO TRY TO BE
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- ALWAYS WANTED TO TRY TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS A
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- ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS A PUBLIC FIGURE WHO IS
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- PUBLIC FIGURE WHO IS OPENLY CHRISTIAN.
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- OPENLY CHRISTIAN. AND WHENEVER I TALK ABOUT
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- AND WHENEVER I TALK ABOUT THAT, I IMMEDIATELY GO TO
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- THAT, I IMMEDIATELY GO TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK,
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- YOU BECAUSE I THINK, "WHO HAS BEEN OUT THERE,
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- "WHO HAS BEEN OUT THERE, OVER THE YEARS, WHO HAS JUST
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- OVER THE YEARS, WHO HAS JUST BEEN LEADING HER LIFE AS A
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- BEEN LEADING HER LIFE AS A PUBLIC FIGURE, NOT AS A
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- PUBLIC FIGURE, NOT AS A CHRISTIAN FIGURE, BUT WHO
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- CHRISTIAN FIGURE, BUT WHO IS NONETHELESS OPENLY
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- IS NONETHELESS OPENLY CHRISTIAN?"
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- CHRISTIAN?" AND I REALLY THINK THAT
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- AND I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE MISSING
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- THAT'S KIND OF THE MISSING PIECE IN THE CULTURE
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- PIECE IN THE CULTURE BECAUSE WE'VE DIVIDED--
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- BECAUSE WE'VE DIVIDED-- WE'VE GOT, LIKE, CHRISTIAN
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- WE'VE GOT, LIKE, CHRISTIAN FAITH OVER HERE, AND THEN
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- FAITH OVER HERE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE REST OF THE
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- WE'VE GOT THE REST OF THE WORLD HERE, AND ANYBODY
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- WORLD HERE, AND ANYBODY WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS
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- WITH COMMON SENSE KNOWS THAT'S NONSENSE, BUT VERY
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- THAT'S NONSENSE, BUT VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO
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- FEW PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO LIVE THAT OUT.
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- LIVE THAT OUT. YOU'RE ONE OF 'EM.
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- YOU'RE ONE OF 'EM. IN FACT, YOU MIGHT BE TWO
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- IN FACT, YOU MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE OF 'EM, AND I
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- OR THREE OF 'EM, AND I WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
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- WANNA SAY THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] - KATHIE LEE: SWEET.
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- YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS HAD
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- YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS HAD A BOLDNESS ABOUT MY FAITH.
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- A BOLDNESS ABOUT MY FAITH. I'VE ALWAYS HAD AN
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- I'VE ALWAYS HAD AN AWARENESS, EVEN AS A
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- AWARENESS, EVEN AS A 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL,
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- WHEN I FIRST ASKED JESUS
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- WHEN I FIRST ASKED JESUS TO BE IN MY HEART,
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- TO BE IN MY HEART, THAT "TO WHOM--"
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- THAT "TO WHOM--" - ERIC: DID HE ANSWER
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- - ERIC: DID HE ANSWER RIGHT AWAY?
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- RIGHT AWAY? - KATHIE LEE: --YEAH--
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- - KATHIE LEE: --YEAH-- "TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN,
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- "TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED,"
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- MUCH IS REQUIRED," ONCE I STARTED LEARNING
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- ONCE I STARTED LEARNING SCRIPTURE.
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- SCRIPTURE. BUT I WAS SITTING IN A
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- BUT I WAS SITTING IN A LITTLE MOVIE THEATER IN
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- LITTLE MOVIE THEATER IN ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND, AND
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- ANNAPOLIS, MARYLAND, AND GOD ALREADY KNEW THAT I
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- GOD ALREADY KNEW THAT I WANTED TO BE AN ACTRESS
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- WANTED TO BE AN ACTRESS AND A SINGER AND A WRITER.
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- AND A SINGER AND A WRITER. HE KNEW THAT.
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- HE KNEW THAT. I CAME OUT OF THE WOMB
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- I CAME OUT OF THE WOMB WITH A RIM SHOT AND A
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- WITH A RIM SHOT AND A PRATFALL, YOU KNOW?
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- PRATFALL, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, PEOPLE DO, AND
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- I MEAN, PEOPLE DO, AND THERE'S A REASON FOR IT.
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- THERE'S A REASON FOR IT. EVERYTHING I AM AND
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- EVERYTHING I AM AND EVERYTHING YOU ARE WAS
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- EVERYTHING YOU ARE WAS WOVEN IN OUR MOTHER'S
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- WOVEN IN OUR MOTHER'S WOMBS INTO US.
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- WOMBS INTO US. I DIDN'T KNOW THE LORD.
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- I DIDN'T KNOW THE LORD. I WAS NOT BORN INTO A
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- I WAS NOT BORN INTO A RELIGIOUS HOME-- THANK YOU,
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- RELIGIOUS HOME-- THANK YOU, LORD-- BUT I WAS BORN
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- LORD-- BUT I WAS BORN INTO A HOME THAT HONORED GOD.
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- INTO A HOME THAT HONORED GOD. MY FATHER WAS JEWISH.
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- MY FATHER WAS JEWISH. MY MOTHER WAS A GENTILE.
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- MY MOTHER WAS A GENTILE. AND WE HONORED GOD, BUT WE
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- AND WE HONORED GOD, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ORGANIZED
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- DIDN'T HAVE ORGANIZED RELIGION IN OUR HOME.
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- RELIGION IN OUR HOME. - ERIC: SO YOU WEREN'T
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- - ERIC: SO YOU WEREN'T REALLY EVEN RAISED JEWISH.
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- REALLY EVEN RAISED JEWISH. - KATHIE LEE: NO.
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- - KATHIE LEE: NO. YOU WERE RAISED PRETTY
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- YOU WERE RAISED PRETTY MUCH SECULAR.
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- MUCH SECULAR. - KATHIE LEE: WE LOVED TO
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- - KATHIE LEE: WE LOVED TO GO TO BALTIMORE TO LOMBARD
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- GO TO BALTIMORE TO LOMBARD STREET AND, YOU KNOW, THE
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- STREET AND, YOU KNOW, THE LOX AND THE BAGELS AND ALL
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- LOX AND THE BAGELS AND ALL THAT, THE JEWISH CULTURE.
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- THAT, THE JEWISH CULTURE. - ERIC: YOU KNOW, I'M A
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- - ERIC: YOU KNOW, I'M A NEW YORKER, AND BEING A
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- NEW YORKER, AND BEING A NEW YORKER, I FEEL LIKE
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- NEW YORKER, I FEEL LIKE I'M CULTURALLY JEWISH,
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- I'M CULTURALLY JEWISH, SO I GET THIS STUFF.
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- SO I GET THIS STUFF. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, I
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- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, I THINK THERE-- ARE A LOT OF
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- THINK THERE-- ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE
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- PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE CULTURAL CHRISTIAN,
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- CULTURAL CHRISTIAN, CULTURALLY JEWISH,
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- CULTURALLY JEWISH, CULTURALLY MUSLIM.
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- CULTURALLY MUSLIM. I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT,
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- I HAVE SOME FRIENDS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE NEVER READ
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- YOU KNOW, HAVE NEVER READ THE KORAN, BUT THEY CONSIDER
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- THE KORAN, BUT THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES MUSLIM.
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- THEMSELVES MUSLIM. I HAVE READ THE KORAN, AND
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- I HAVE READ THE KORAN, AND I'M NOT A MUSLIM, BUT I
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- I'M NOT A MUSLIM, BUT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT.
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- WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT. SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND--
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- SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND-- I WANNA UNDERSTAND A LOT OF
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- I WANNA UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS, AND I KNOW I NEVER
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- THINGS, AND I KNOW I NEVER WILL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING
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- WILL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING PERFECTLY, BUT I'M A
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- PERFECTLY, BUT I'M A STUDENT AT HEART.
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- STUDENT AT HEART. - ERIC: BY THE END OF THE
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- - ERIC: BY THE END OF THE SHOW, YOU'LL BE VERY CLOSE.
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- SHOW, YOU'LL BE VERY CLOSE. - KATHIE LEE: VERY CLOSE
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- - KATHIE LEE: VERY CLOSE TO WHAT?
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- TO WHAT? - ERIC: TO UNDERSTANDING
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- - ERIC: TO UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING.
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- EVERYTHING. - KATHIE LEE: OH, YEAH.
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- - KATHIE LEE: OH, YEAH. - ERIC: ALBIN AND I,
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- - ERIC: ALBIN AND I, WE'VE GOT IT ALL LINED UP.
- 00:05:04.083 --> 00:05:04.917
- WE'VE GOT IT ALL LINED UP. WE'RE GONNA GET YOU
- 00:05:04.984 --> 00:05:05.418
- WE'RE GONNA GET YOU STRAIGHTENED OUT.
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- STRAIGHTENED OUT. OKAY, BUT, LOOK, SO YOU
- 00:05:06.018 --> 00:05:07.053
- OKAY, BUT, LOOK, SO YOU WROTE A BOOK CALLED
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- WROTE A BOOK CALLED "THE JESUS I KNOW: HONEST
- 00:05:08.187 --> 00:05:09.389
- "THE JESUS I KNOW: HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE
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- CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS."
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- OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS." JUST FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T
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- JUST FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T KNOW YOUR BIOGRAPHY, SO
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- KNOW YOUR BIOGRAPHY, SO YOU SAID, AT 12, WHAT
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- YOU SAID, AT 12, WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE AT 12?
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- HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE AT 12? GROWING UP-- SEE, WHEN YOU
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- GROWING UP-- SEE, WHEN YOU SAY YOU GREW UP IN A HOME
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- SAY YOU GREW UP IN A HOME WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW,
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- WHERE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CULTURALLY JEWISH,
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- YOU'RE CULTURALLY JEWISH, YOUR MOTHER IS--
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- YOUR MOTHER IS-- - KATHIE LEE: WELL, BUT WE
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- - KATHIE LEE: WELL, BUT WE CELEBRATED CHRISTMAS AND--
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- CELEBRATED CHRISTMAS AND-- YEAH.
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- YEAH. - ERIC: BUT THAT'S WHAT
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- - ERIC: BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
- 00:05:28.474 --> 00:05:28.908
- I'M SAYING. TO ME--
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- TO ME-- - KATHIE LEE: WE WERE MORE
- 00:05:29.509 --> 00:05:30.243
- - KATHIE LEE: WE WERE MORE CULTURAL CHRISTIANS THAN--
- 00:05:30.309 --> 00:05:31.010
- CULTURAL CHRISTIANS THAN-- BUT I WAS AWARE OF MY
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- BUT I WAS AWARE OF MY JEWISH HERITAGE.
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- JEWISH HERITAGE. - ERIC: BUT WHAT I'M
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- - ERIC: BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, TO ME, THAT'S
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- SAYING IS, TO ME, THAT'S MOST OF AMERICA.
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- MOST OF AMERICA. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH.
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- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH. - ERIC: THAT'S SORT OF
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- - ERIC: THAT'S SORT OF HOW I WAS RAISED.
- 00:05:34.814 --> 00:05:35.214
- HOW I WAS RAISED. I GREW UP IN THE GREEK
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- I GREW UP IN THE GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH, BUT WE
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- ORTHODOX CHURCH, BUT WE DIDN'T WALK AROUND SAYING
- 00:05:36.582 --> 00:05:38.418
- DIDN'T WALK AROUND SAYING WE'RE JESUS PEOPLE OR--
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- WE'RE JESUS PEOPLE OR-- MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA,
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- MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA, THEY'RE JUST TRYIN' TO
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- THEY'RE JUST TRYIN' TO RAISE THEIR KIDS.
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- RAISE THEIR KIDS. THEY DON'T HATE GOD, BUT
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- THEY DON'T HATE GOD, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW GOD
- 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:48.094
- THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW GOD PERSONALLY.
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- PERSONALLY. - KATHIE LEE: THEY MIGHT
- 00:05:50.329 --> 00:05:50.930
- - KATHIE LEE: THEY MIGHT HAVE A RELIGION BUT NOT A
- 00:05:50.997 --> 00:05:52.131
- HAVE A RELIGION BUT NOT A RELATIONSHIP.
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- RELATIONSHIP. - ERIC: RIGHT, SO WHAT
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- - ERIC: RIGHT, SO WHAT HAPPENED AT AGE 12?
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- HAPPENED AT AGE 12? - KATHIE LEE: AT AGE 12,
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- - KATHIE LEE: AT AGE 12, THERE WAS A MOVIE.
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- THERE WAS A MOVIE. IT WAS THE FIRST BILLY
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- IT WAS THE FIRST BILLY GRAHAM MOVIE THAT HIS
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- GRAHAM MOVIE THAT HIS ASSOCIATION PUT OUT, AND
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- ASSOCIATION PUT OUT, AND IT WAS ABOUT A YOUNG WOMAN
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- IT WAS ABOUT A YOUNG WOMAN WHO WAS AT THE CUSP OF
- 00:06:03.709 --> 00:06:04.877
- WHO WAS AT THE CUSP OF WOMANHOOD.
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- WOMANHOOD. SHE WAS 14, I THINK, OR 15,
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- SHE WAS 14, I THINK, OR 15, SOMETHIN' LIKE THAT,
- 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:07.079
- AND SHE WAS GIVEN A CHOICE.
- 00:06:07.580 --> 00:06:09.949
- AND SHE WAS GIVEN A CHOICE. SHE HAD A BOYFRIEND THAT
- 00:06:10.016 --> 00:06:11.317
- SHE HAD A BOYFRIEND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A
- 00:06:11.384 --> 00:06:12.518
- WAS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A "BAD BOY," OR SHE COULD GO
- 00:06:12.585 --> 00:06:13.786
- "BAD BOY," OR SHE COULD GO AND WALK WITH THE LORD,
- 00:06:13.853 --> 00:06:19.759
- AND WALK WITH THE LORD, AND IT WAS-- BILLY, EVEN
- 00:06:19.826 --> 00:06:20.293
- AND IT WAS-- BILLY, EVEN AT THAT TIME, GOT A LOT OF
- 00:06:20.359 --> 00:06:21.794
- AT THAT TIME, GOT A LOT OF FLAK FOR EVEN MAKING A
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- FLAK FOR EVEN MAKING A MOVIE.
- 00:06:23.396 --> 00:06:24.664
- THERE WAS SO MUCH STIGMA--
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- THERE WAS SO MUCH STIGMA-- - ERIC: "MOVIES ARE OF
- 00:06:26.599 --> 00:06:27.066
- - ERIC: "MOVIES ARE OF THE DEVIL,"
- 00:06:27.133 --> 00:06:27.400
- THE DEVIL," DON'T YOU KNOW THAT?
- 00:06:27.467 --> 00:06:27.867
- DON'T YOU KNOW THAT? - KATHIE LEE: -- MOVIES
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- - KATHIE LEE: -- MOVIES AND THE RADIO, AND YOU
- 00:06:28.501 --> 00:06:29.001
- AND THE RADIO, AND YOU CAN'T DANCE, AND YOU CAN'T
- 00:06:29.068 --> 00:06:30.670
- CAN'T DANCE, AND YOU CAN'T DRINK, AND YOU CAN'T-- ALL
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- DRINK, AND YOU CAN'T-- ALL THESE THINGS 'CAUSE IT'S,
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- THESE THINGS 'CAUSE IT'S, YEAH, AND TO HIS
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- YEAH, AND TO HIS INCREDIBLE CREDIT-- AND I
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- INCREDIBLE CREDIT-- AND I LOVED THE MAN; I LOVED HIM
- 00:06:36.642 --> 00:06:37.977
- LOVED THE MAN; I LOVED HIM SO DEARLY-- HE KNEW THAT
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- SO DEARLY-- HE KNEW THAT THE DEVIL DIDN'T OWN THE
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- THE DEVIL DIDN'T OWN THE AIRWAVES, SO HE USED RADIO.
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- AIRWAVES, SO HE USED RADIO. HE KNEW THAT THE DEVIL
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- HE KNEW THAT THE DEVIL DIDN'T OWN THE TV STATIONS.
- 00:06:43.616 --> 00:06:45.017
- DIDN'T OWN THE TV STATIONS. HE DID HIS CRUSADES ON TV.
- 00:06:45.084 --> 00:06:46.319
- HE DID HIS CRUSADES ON TV. HE WAS SO WISE, AND HE
- 00:06:46.385 --> 00:06:48.855
- HE WAS SO WISE, AND HE LISTENED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT,
- 00:06:48.921 --> 00:06:49.956
- LISTENED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID,
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- AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID, "MAKE A MOVIE FOR A
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- "MAKE A MOVIE FOR A NEXT GENERATION."
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- NEXT GENERATION." IT WAS CALLED
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- IT WAS CALLED "THE RESTLESS ONES."
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- "THE RESTLESS ONES." AT THE END OF IT,
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- AT THE END OF IT, THERE WAS AN ALTAR CALL.
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- THERE WAS AN ALTAR CALL. - ERIC: NOW WAIT, HOW DID YOU,
- 00:06:57.263 --> 00:06:58.197
- - ERIC: NOW WAIT, HOW DID YOU, AS A 12-YEAR-OLD,
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- AS A 12-YEAR-OLD, SECULAR, JEWISH GIRL, HOW
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- SECULAR, JEWISH GIRL, HOW DO YOU END UP GOING TO
- 00:07:01.901 --> 00:07:02.969
- DO YOU END UP GOING TO THIS MOVIE?
- 00:07:03.035 --> 00:07:05.338
- THIS MOVIE? - KATHIE LEE: ABOUT THREE
- 00:07:05.404 --> 00:07:05.905
- - KATHIE LEE: ABOUT THREE MONTHS EARLIER, I'D COME
- 00:07:05.972 --> 00:07:07.039
- MONTHS EARLIER, I'D COME HOME FROM SOMETHING, AND
- 00:07:07.106 --> 00:07:08.107
- HOME FROM SOMETHING, AND IT WAS DARK OUT, AND I WAS
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- IT WAS DARK OUT, AND I WAS AT THE FRONT DOOR, AND I
- 00:07:09.308 --> 00:07:10.209
- AT THE FRONT DOOR, AND I WAS READY TO WALK IN, WHEN
- 00:07:10.276 --> 00:07:11.277
- WAS READY TO WALK IN, WHEN I LOOKED OVER THE LEFT,
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- I LOOKED OVER THE LEFT, AND I COULD SEE INTO MY
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- AND I COULD SEE INTO MY LIVING ROOM, AND MY SISTER
- 00:07:14.113 --> 00:07:15.181
- LIVING ROOM, AND MY SISTER AND MY MOTHER WERE ON
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- AND MY MOTHER WERE ON THEIR KNEES IN FRONT OF
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- THEIR KNEES IN FRONT OF THE TELEVISION, CRYING.
- 00:07:17.683 --> 00:07:18.117
- THE TELEVISION, CRYING. AND I THOUGHT THE
- 00:07:18.184 --> 00:07:19.752
- AND I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT HAD DIED OR
- 00:07:19.819 --> 00:07:20.887
- PRESIDENT HAD DIED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND I
- 00:07:20.953 --> 00:07:22.021
- SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND I WENT, "OH-OH."
- 00:07:22.088 --> 00:07:22.722
- WENT, "OH-OH." I WALKED IN.
- 00:07:22.788 --> 00:07:23.556
- I WALKED IN. NO, THEY WERE WATCHING A
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- NO, THEY WERE WATCHING A BILLY GRAHAM CRUSADE.
- 00:07:24.690 --> 00:07:25.558
- BILLY GRAHAM CRUSADE. THEY HAD BOTH JUST GIVEN
- 00:07:25.625 --> 00:07:26.158
- THEY HAD BOTH JUST GIVEN THEIR HEARTS TO JESUS.
- 00:07:26.225 --> 00:07:27.360
- THEIR HEARTS TO JESUS. SO THEN, WHEN MY MOTHER--
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- SO THEN, WHEN MY MOTHER-- - ERIC: THAT'S A GOOD
- 00:07:28.995 --> 00:07:30.963
- - ERIC: THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO BE CRYING IN
- 00:07:31.030 --> 00:07:31.497
- REASON TO BE CRYING IN FRONT OF THE TV.
- 00:07:31.564 --> 00:07:31.998
- FRONT OF THE TV. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, YEAH,
- 00:07:32.064 --> 00:07:32.632
- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THEY WEREN'T
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- YEAH, THEY WEREN'T WATCHING ANY OF THESE
- 00:07:34.267 --> 00:07:35.301
- WATCHING ANY OF THESE REALITY TELEVISION SHOWS.
- 00:07:35.368 --> 00:07:36.002
- REALITY TELEVISION SHOWS. THEY HEARD THE GOSPEL.
- 00:07:36.068 --> 00:07:36.802
- THEY HEARD THE GOSPEL. - ERIC: IT WASN'T LIKE A
- 00:07:36.869 --> 00:07:38.204
- - ERIC: IT WASN'T LIKE A DARK EPISODE OF "GUNSMOKE."
- 00:07:38.271 --> 00:07:40.273
- DARK EPISODE OF "GUNSMOKE." WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT A GOOD
- 00:07:40.339 --> 00:07:41.974
- WE'RE TALKIN' ABOUT A GOOD REASON TO BE CRYING.
- 00:07:42.041 --> 00:07:43.943
- REASON TO BE CRYING. - KATHIE LEE: A GOOD REASON.
- 00:07:44.010 --> 00:07:45.211
- - KATHIE LEE: A GOOD REASON. NOW, MY MOTHER WAS-- YOU
- 00:07:45.278 --> 00:07:46.345
- NOW, MY MOTHER WAS-- YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
- 00:07:46.412 --> 00:07:47.246
- KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AGE SHE WAS, BUT MY SISTER
- 00:07:47.313 --> 00:07:48.214
- AGE SHE WAS, BUT MY SISTER WAS TEN.
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- WAS TEN. - ERIC: BUT THIS IS KIND
- 00:07:48.648 --> 00:07:49.115
- - ERIC: BUT THIS IS KIND OF-- ISN'T THIS AMAZING?
- 00:07:49.181 --> 00:07:49.815
- OF-- ISN'T THIS AMAZING? DOESN'T IT TELL US HOW
- 00:07:49.882 --> 00:07:50.283
- DOESN'T IT TELL US HOW RIGHT BILLY GRAHAM WAS TO
- 00:07:50.349 --> 00:07:52.752
- RIGHT BILLY GRAHAM WAS TO USE THE AIRWAVES TO REACH
- 00:07:52.818 --> 00:07:54.554
- USE THE AIRWAVES TO REACH PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER
- 00:07:54.620 --> 00:07:56.155
- PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER STUMBLE INTO A CRUSADE OR
- 00:07:56.222 --> 00:07:59.859
- STUMBLE INTO A CRUSADE OR A CHURCH OR WHATEVER?
- 00:07:59.926 --> 00:08:00.960
- A CHURCH OR WHATEVER? - KATHIE LEE: OR READ A
- 00:08:01.027 --> 00:08:01.794
- - KATHIE LEE: OR READ A GIDEON BIBLE WHEN THEY
- 00:08:01.861 --> 00:08:02.495
- GIDEON BIBLE WHEN THEY CHECK INTO A RAMADA INN,
- 00:08:02.562 --> 00:08:03.229
- CHECK INTO A RAMADA INN, OR THEY'D LAUGH IF THEY
- 00:08:03.296 --> 00:08:03.763
- OR THEY'D LAUGH IF THEY CAME UPON SOME EVANGELIST,
- 00:08:03.829 --> 00:08:06.399
- CAME UPON SOME EVANGELIST, YOU KNOW, SAYIN',
- 00:08:06.465 --> 00:08:08.601
- YOU KNOW, SAYIN', "I BELIEVE IN--" YOU KNOW,
- 00:08:08.668 --> 00:08:09.769
- "I BELIEVE IN--" YOU KNOW, THEY'D JUST MAKE FUN.
- 00:08:09.835 --> 00:08:10.836
- THEY'D JUST MAKE FUN. - ERIC: YOU'RE LAUGHIN'
- 00:08:10.903 --> 00:08:11.504
- - ERIC: YOU'RE LAUGHIN' AT US RIGHT NOW.
- 00:08:11.571 --> 00:08:12.138
- AT US RIGHT NOW. - KATHIE LEE: THAT'S OKAY.
- 00:08:12.204 --> 00:08:12.738
- - KATHIE LEE: THAT'S OKAY. - ERIC: WE DON'T CARE.
- 00:08:12.805 --> 00:08:13.272
- - ERIC: WE DON'T CARE. OKAY, SO, SERIOUSLY THOUGH,
- 00:08:13.339 --> 00:08:14.340
- OKAY, SO, SERIOUSLY THOUGH, THIS IS SO COOL TO ME.
- 00:08:14.407 --> 00:08:15.675
- THIS IS SO COOL TO ME. - KATHIE LEE: I WENT
- 00:08:15.741 --> 00:08:16.542
- - KATHIE LEE: I WENT FORWARD, AND I-- BECAUSE I
- 00:08:16.609 --> 00:08:18.511
- FORWARD, AND I-- BECAUSE I HEARD THE VOICE OF JESUS,
- 00:08:18.578 --> 00:08:19.979
- HEARD THE VOICE OF JESUS, SITTING THERE, SAY TO ME,
- 00:08:20.046 --> 00:08:21.013
- SITTING THERE, SAY TO ME, "KATHIE, I LOVE YOU, AND
- 00:08:21.080 --> 00:08:22.682
- "KATHIE, I LOVE YOU, AND IF YOU'LL TRUST ME, I'LL
- 00:08:22.748 --> 00:08:24.417
- IF YOU'LL TRUST ME, I'LL MAKE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL
- 00:08:24.483 --> 00:08:26.319
- MAKE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL OUT OF YOUR LIFE.
- 00:08:26.385 --> 00:08:27.620
- OUT OF YOUR LIFE. THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
- 00:08:27.687 --> 00:08:28.220
- THAT'S ALL I KNOW. I WAS 12.
- 00:08:28.287 --> 00:08:28.621
- I WAS 12. - ERIC: AND WHAT I LOVE
- 00:08:28.688 --> 00:08:29.121
- - ERIC: AND WHAT I LOVE IS THAT YOU BELIEVED IT.
- 00:08:29.188 --> 00:08:29.956
- IS THAT YOU BELIEVED IT. YOU JUST HEARD IT.
- 00:08:30.022 --> 00:08:30.823
- YOU JUST HEARD IT. - KATHIE LEE: THERE WAS
- 00:08:30.890 --> 00:08:32.592
- - KATHIE LEE: THERE WAS NOT A QUESTION IN MY MIND.
- 00:08:32.658 --> 00:08:33.326
- NOT A QUESTION IN MY MIND. MY BROTHER, SITTING NEXT
- 00:08:33.392 --> 00:08:34.460
- MY BROTHER, SITTING NEXT TO ME-- IT WAS A BAD
- 00:08:34.527 --> 00:08:35.261
- TO ME-- IT WAS A BAD SECTION OF LITTLE ANNAPOLIS.
- 00:08:35.328 --> 00:08:36.195
- SECTION OF LITTLE ANNAPOLIS. HE DID NOT WANT ME TO--
- 00:08:36.262 --> 00:08:37.663
- HE DID NOT WANT ME TO-- "WHERE ARE YOU GOING?"
- 00:08:37.730 --> 00:08:38.431
- "WHERE ARE YOU GOING?" "I'M GONNA GO DOWN AND--"
- 00:08:38.497 --> 00:08:39.565
- "I'M GONNA GO DOWN AND--" HE SAID, "NO, NO, YOU'RE NOT."
- 00:08:39.632 --> 00:08:40.199
- HE SAID, "NO, NO, YOU'RE NOT." I SAID, "THEN YOU
- 00:08:40.266 --> 00:08:41.000
- I SAID, "THEN YOU COME WITH ME."
- 00:08:41.067 --> 00:08:41.567
- COME WITH ME." - ERIC: IS THIS THE BROTHER
- 00:08:41.634 --> 00:08:42.735
- - ERIC: IS THIS THE BROTHER THAT BECAME A MINISTER?
- 00:08:42.802 --> 00:08:43.669
- THAT BECAME A MINISTER? - KATHIE LEE: YES, RIGHT
- 00:08:43.736 --> 00:08:44.236
- - KATHIE LEE: YES, RIGHT HERE IN-- ACROSS FROM
- 00:08:44.303 --> 00:08:45.071
- HERE IN-- ACROSS FROM CARNEGIE HALL.
- 00:08:45.137 --> 00:08:45.871
- CARNEGIE HALL. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:08:45.938 --> 00:08:47.106
- [LAUGHTER] - ERIC: I LOVE IT.
- 00:08:47.173 --> 00:08:47.740
- - ERIC: I LOVE IT. SO YOU COME TO FAITH AT
- 00:08:47.807 --> 00:08:48.674
- SO YOU COME TO FAITH AT AGE 12.
- 00:08:48.741 --> 00:08:49.508
- AGE 12. IS THERE ANY PRACTICAL
- 00:08:49.575 --> 00:08:51.844
- IS THERE ANY PRACTICAL OUTWORKING, OR DO YOU JUST
- 00:08:51.911 --> 00:08:52.845
- OUTWORKING, OR DO YOU JUST KIND OF DRIFT ALONG FOR A
- 00:08:52.912 --> 00:08:53.613
- KIND OF DRIFT ALONG FOR A FEW YEARS BEFORE SOMETHING
- 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:54.246
- FEW YEARS BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS?
- 00:08:54.313 --> 00:08:55.381
- ELSE HAPPENS? - KATHIE LEE: NO, TOTAL
- 00:08:55.448 --> 00:08:55.915
- - KATHIE LEE: NO, TOTAL PRACTICAL OUT.
- 00:08:55.982 --> 00:08:56.248
- PRACTICAL OUT. I JUST KNEW.
- 00:08:56.315 --> 00:08:56.916
- I JUST KNEW. - ERIC: YOU JUST
- 00:08:56.983 --> 00:08:57.316
- - ERIC: YOU JUST DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH?
- 00:08:57.383 --> 00:08:57.850
- DIDN'T GO TO CHURCH? - KATHIE LEE: I JUST--
- 00:08:57.917 --> 00:08:58.951
- - KATHIE LEE: I JUST-- WELL, I JUST KNEW IN MY
- 00:08:59.018 --> 00:08:59.919
- WELL, I JUST KNEW IN MY INNER BEING.
- 00:08:59.986 --> 00:09:00.453
- INNER BEING. I LOVE IN ACTS WHERE
- 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.254
- I LOVE IN ACTS WHERE IT SAYS, "IN HIM WE LIVE
- 00:09:02.321 --> 00:09:03.189
- IT SAYS, "IN HIM WE LIVE AND MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING."
- 00:09:03.255 --> 00:09:05.424
- IT DOESN'T SAY, "IN HIM WE
- 00:09:05.992 --> 00:09:06.492
- IT DOESN'T SAY, "IN HIM WE GO AND VISIT ONCE A WEEK
- 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:07.593
- GO AND VISIT ONCE A WEEK IN A BUILDING SOMEWHERE
- 00:09:07.660 --> 00:09:09.895
- IN A BUILDING SOMEWHERE AND BE A COOKIE-CUTTER
- 00:09:09.962 --> 00:09:11.631
- AND BE A COOKIE-CUTTER PERSON RECITING
- 00:09:11.697 --> 00:09:13.165
- PERSON RECITING COOKIE-CUTTER PRAYERS, AND
- 00:09:13.232 --> 00:09:15.635
- COOKIE-CUTTER PRAYERS, AND SINGING COOKIE-CUTTER SONGS."
- 00:09:15.701 --> 00:09:16.669
- I COULDN'T TAKE ANY OF THAT.
- 00:09:17.436 --> 00:09:17.970
- I COULDN'T TAKE ANY OF THAT. I COULDN'T TAKE IT.
- 00:09:18.037 --> 00:09:18.871
- I COULDN'T TAKE IT. - ERIC: BUT TO GET BACK
- 00:09:18.938 --> 00:09:19.605
- - ERIC: BUT TO GET BACK TO THE BILLY GRAHAM POINT
- 00:09:19.672 --> 00:09:20.740
- TO THE BILLY GRAHAM POINT EARLIER, YOU KNOW YOU'RE
- 00:09:20.806 --> 00:09:22.441
- EARLIER, YOU KNOW YOU'RE QUOTING SCRIPTURE, BUT
- 00:09:22.508 --> 00:09:23.409
- QUOTING SCRIPTURE, BUT PAUL WAS QUOTING A PAGAN
- 00:09:23.476 --> 00:09:26.846
- PAUL WAS QUOTING A PAGAN POET WHEN HE SAID THAT.
- 00:09:26.912 --> 00:09:28.414
- POET WHEN HE SAID THAT. - KATHIE LEE: AND EVEN
- 00:09:28.481 --> 00:09:29.181
- - KATHIE LEE: AND EVEN SOME OF YOUR POETS HAVE SAID.
- 00:09:29.248 --> 00:09:29.982
- SOME OF YOUR POETS HAVE SAID. - ERIC: IN OTHER WORDS,
- 00:09:30.049 --> 00:09:31.050
- - ERIC: IN OTHER WORDS, "ALL TRUTH IS OF GOD,"
- 00:09:31.117 --> 00:09:31.917
- "ALL TRUTH IS OF GOD," AND THIS FAKE DIVISION BETWEEN
- 00:09:31.984 --> 00:09:32.551
- AND THIS FAKE DIVISION BETWEEN THERE'S RELIGION AND--
- 00:09:32.618 --> 00:09:34.887
- THERE'S RELIGION AND-- TRUTH IS TRUTH.
- 00:09:34.954 --> 00:09:36.555
- TRUTH IS TRUTH. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO
- 00:09:36.622 --> 00:09:38.958
- SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO A BREAK HERE.
- 00:09:39.025 --> 00:09:40.026
- TO A BREAK HERE. WAIT TILL YOU FIND OUT
- 00:09:40.092 --> 00:09:40.493
- WAIT TILL YOU FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
- 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:41.093
- WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. WE'RE TALKIN' TO
- 00:09:41.160 --> 00:09:41.627
- WE'RE TALKIN' TO KATHIE LEE GIFFORD.
- 00:09:41.694 --> 00:09:42.495
- KATHIE LEE GIFFORD. THE NEW BOOK IS
- 00:09:42.561 --> 00:09:43.095
- THE NEW BOOK IS "THE JESUS I KNOW: HONEST
- 00:09:43.162 --> 00:09:45.264
- "THE JESUS I KNOW: HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE
- 00:09:45.331 --> 00:09:46.766
- CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS."
- 00:09:46.832 --> 00:09:50.503
- OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS." [MUSIC]
- 00:09:50.569 --> 00:09:54.004
- [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
- 00:09:54.004 --> 00:09:59.680
- [MUSIC] - ERIC: FOLKS, I'M TALKIN'
- 00:09:59.746 --> 00:10:00.280
- - ERIC: FOLKS, I'M TALKIN' TO KATHIE LEE GIFFORD,
- 00:10:00.347 --> 00:10:01.048
- TO KATHIE LEE GIFFORD, AND YOU'RE NOT.
- 00:10:01.114 --> 00:10:01.548
- AND YOU'RE NOT. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:10:01.615 --> 00:10:02.349
- [LAUGHTER] BUT HERE'S THE THING: I GET
- 00:10:02.416 --> 00:10:03.183
- BUT HERE'S THE THING: I GET TO SHARE THIS.
- 00:10:03.250 --> 00:10:05.852
- TO SHARE THIS. THE BOOK IS CALLED
- 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:06.286
- THE BOOK IS CALLED "THE JESUS I KNOW:
- 00:10:06.353 --> 00:10:07.154
- "THE JESUS I KNOW: HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE
- 00:10:07.220 --> 00:10:08.321
- HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS."
- 00:10:08.388 --> 00:10:09.690
- OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS." BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS,
- 00:10:09.756 --> 00:10:10.924
- BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, THOUGH, I STILL HAVE TO
- 00:10:10.991 --> 00:10:12.025
- THOUGH, I STILL HAVE TO ASK YOU, YOU WERE A YOUNG
- 00:10:12.092 --> 00:10:14.261
- ASK YOU, YOU WERE A YOUNG WOMAN WHO KNEW YOU WANTED
- 00:10:14.327 --> 00:10:16.830
- WOMAN WHO KNEW YOU WANTED TO GO INTO SHOW BUSINESS BUT--
- 00:10:16.897 --> 00:10:17.531
- TO GO INTO SHOW BUSINESS BUT-- - KATHIE LEE: I KNEW I WAS
- 00:10:17.597 --> 00:10:18.632
- - KATHIE LEE: I KNEW I WAS CALLED TO IT.
- 00:10:18.699 --> 00:10:20.934
- CALLED TO IT. - ERIC: YOU KNEW YOU WERE
- 00:10:21.001 --> 00:10:21.501
- - ERIC: YOU KNEW YOU WERE CALLED TO IT.
- 00:10:21.568 --> 00:10:24.304
- CALLED TO IT. DIFFERENT POINT.
- 00:10:24.371 --> 00:10:24.871
- DIFFERENT POINT. GOOD POINT.
- 00:10:24.938 --> 00:10:25.772
- GOOD POINT. - KATHIE LEE: YES.
- 00:10:25.839 --> 00:10:26.339
- - KATHIE LEE: YES. - ERIC: SO HOW DID YOU
- 00:10:26.406 --> 00:10:26.873
- - ERIC: SO HOW DID YOU START OUT IN THE BUSINESS?
- 00:10:26.940 --> 00:10:27.674
- START OUT IN THE BUSINESS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU
- 00:10:27.741 --> 00:10:28.275
- BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE CAREERS.
- 00:10:28.341 --> 00:10:28.942
- HAVE ONE OF THESE CAREERS. YOU'VE BEEN IN THE PUBLIC
- 00:10:29.009 --> 00:10:29.776
- YOU'VE BEEN IN THE PUBLIC EYE YOUR WHOLE ADULT LIFE.
- 00:10:29.843 --> 00:10:30.343
- EYE YOUR WHOLE ADULT LIFE. NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE
- 00:10:30.410 --> 00:10:31.378
- NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE YOU STARTED, HOW YOU STARTED.
- 00:10:31.445 --> 00:10:33.880
- YOU STARTED, HOW YOU STARTED. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, I
- 00:10:33.947 --> 00:10:34.648
- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, I STARTED AS A SINGER FIRST
- 00:10:34.715 --> 00:10:35.882
- STARTED AS A SINGER FIRST WITH MY SISTER, SINGING
- 00:10:35.949 --> 00:10:37.117
- WITH MY SISTER, SINGING PROFESSIONALLY IN A FOLK
- 00:10:37.184 --> 00:10:37.651
- PROFESSIONALLY IN A FOLK GROUP CALLED,
- 00:10:37.718 --> 00:10:39.086
- GROUP CALLED, "PENNSYLVANIA NEXT RIGHT,"
- 00:10:39.152 --> 00:10:41.121
- "PENNSYLVANIA NEXT RIGHT," AND WE DID CLUBS AND
- 00:10:41.188 --> 00:10:42.155
- AND WE DID CLUBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
- 00:10:42.222 --> 00:10:42.889
- STUFF LIKE THAT. - ERIC: WELL, YOU'RE
- 00:10:42.956 --> 00:10:43.356
- - ERIC: WELL, YOU'RE MAKING YOU SOUND OLDER
- 00:10:43.423 --> 00:10:43.857
- MAKING YOU SOUND OLDER THAN YOU ARE.
- 00:10:43.924 --> 00:10:46.560
- THAN YOU ARE. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO
- 00:10:46.626 --> 00:10:47.527
- YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN PART OF THE
- 00:10:47.594 --> 00:10:48.161
- HAVE BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOLK SCENE LIKE
- 00:10:48.228 --> 00:10:48.695
- ORIGINAL FOLK SCENE LIKE IN THE MIGHTY WIND OR
- 00:10:48.762 --> 00:10:49.162
- IN THE MIGHTY WIND OR ANYTHING, BUT I KNOW WHAT
- 00:10:49.229 --> 00:10:49.963
- ANYTHING, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKIN' ABOUT, THE
- 00:10:50.030 --> 00:10:50.630
- YOU'RE TALKIN' ABOUT, THE TAIL END OF THAT IN THE '70s.
- 00:10:50.697 --> 00:10:51.264
- TAIL END OF THAT IN THE '70s. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH-- NO,
- 00:10:51.331 --> 00:10:51.832
- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH-- NO, I GREW UP ON THE JOAN BAEZ
- 00:10:51.898 --> 00:10:52.399
- I GREW UP ON THE JOAN BAEZ AND PETER, PAUL, AND MARY--
- 00:10:52.466 --> 00:10:53.600
- AND PETER, PAUL, AND MARY-- - ERIC: YOU GREW UP WITH THAT.
- 00:10:53.667 --> 00:10:54.267
- - ERIC: YOU GREW UP WITH THAT. - KATHIE LEE: -- AND ALL
- 00:10:54.334 --> 00:10:54.835
- - KATHIE LEE: -- AND ALL OF THAT.
- 00:10:54.901 --> 00:10:55.135
- OF THAT. - ERIC: SURE.
- 00:10:55.202 --> 00:10:55.569
- - ERIC: SURE. - KATHIE LEE: YES, I WAS
- 00:10:55.635 --> 00:10:56.169
- - KATHIE LEE: YES, I WAS BORN IN 1953, SO I WAS,
- 00:10:56.236 --> 00:10:58.338
- BORN IN 1953, SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS A PART OF
- 00:10:58.405 --> 00:11:00.073
- YOU KNOW, I WAS A PART OF THE JESUS REVOLUTION, THE
- 00:11:00.140 --> 00:11:01.708
- THE JESUS REVOLUTION, THE JESUS PEOPLE, AT THAT
- 00:11:01.775 --> 00:11:03.043
- JESUS PEOPLE, AT THAT POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST,
- 00:11:03.110 --> 00:11:05.645
- I GUESS THE THING THAT'S--
- 00:11:06.646 --> 00:11:09.082
- I GUESS THE THING THAT'S-- WHAT GETTING AT IS I NEVER
- 00:11:09.149 --> 00:11:10.250
- WHAT GETTING AT IS I NEVER HAVE SEPARATED THE SECULAR
- 00:11:10.317 --> 00:11:11.384
- HAVE SEPARATED THE SECULAR FROM THE SPIRITUAL.
- 00:11:11.451 --> 00:11:12.018
- FROM THE SPIRITUAL. I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO
- 00:11:12.085 --> 00:11:13.854
- I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO DO THAT.
- 00:11:13.920 --> 00:11:15.021
- - ERIC: I ALWAYS HAVE TO
- 00:11:16.523 --> 00:11:17.057
- - ERIC: I ALWAYS HAVE TO CORRECT.
- 00:11:17.124 --> 00:11:18.024
- CORRECT. IT'S A MISTAKE FROM THE
- 00:11:18.091 --> 00:11:18.892
- IT'S A MISTAKE FROM THE PIT OF HELL.
- 00:11:18.959 --> 00:11:19.326
- PIT OF HELL. IT IS ABSOLUTELY-- PEOPLE ACT--
- 00:11:19.392 --> 00:11:20.560
- IT IS ABSOLUTELY-- PEOPLE ACT-- WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT'S A MISTAKE,
- 00:11:20.627 --> 00:11:21.795
- WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT'S A MISTAKE, I ALWAYS WANNA SAY,
- 00:11:21.862 --> 00:11:23.230
- I ALWAYS WANNA SAY, LIKE, IT'S EVIL.
- 00:11:23.296 --> 00:11:25.332
- LIKE, IT'S EVIL. IT LEADS TO EVERY KIND OF
- 00:11:25.398 --> 00:11:26.633
- IT LEADS TO EVERY KIND OF TERRIBLE THING.
- 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:29.436
- TERRIBLE THING. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS
- 00:11:29.503 --> 00:11:29.936
- IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'VE ALWAYS ADMIRED YOU IS
- 00:11:30.003 --> 00:11:30.904
- I'VE ALWAYS ADMIRED YOU IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO THAT.
- 00:11:30.971 --> 00:11:31.438
- BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO THAT. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT TRUTH
- 00:11:31.505 --> 00:11:32.539
- YOU UNDERSTAND THAT TRUTH IS ONE.
- 00:11:32.606 --> 00:11:35.809
- IS ONE. SO YOU'RE A SINGER.
- 00:11:35.876 --> 00:11:36.309
- SO YOU'RE A SINGER. YOU AND YOUR SISTER WERE
- 00:11:36.376 --> 00:11:36.843
- YOU AND YOUR SISTER WERE SINGERS.
- 00:11:36.910 --> 00:11:37.144
- SINGERS. - KATHIE LEE: AND THEN I
- 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:37.711
- - KATHIE LEE: AND THEN I BECAME AN ACTRESS OUT IN
- 00:11:37.778 --> 00:11:39.045
- BECAME AN ACTRESS OUT IN LOS ANGELES.
- 00:11:39.112 --> 00:11:40.313
- LOS ANGELES. - ERIC: AND, LIKE, HOW
- 00:11:40.380 --> 00:11:41.281
- - ERIC: AND, LIKE, HOW DID THAT WORK?
- 00:11:41.348 --> 00:11:41.648
- DID THAT WORK? WHAT KIND OF WORK DID YOU GET?
- 00:11:41.715 --> 00:11:42.516
- WHAT KIND OF WORK DID YOU GET? - KATHIE LEE: COMMERCIALS
- 00:11:42.582 --> 00:11:43.049
- - KATHIE LEE: COMMERCIALS FIRST, AND THAT LED TO AN
- 00:11:43.116 --> 00:11:44.518
- FIRST, AND THAT LED TO AN ACTING ROLE ON A SOAP
- 00:11:44.584 --> 00:11:45.218
- ACTING ROLE ON A SOAP OPERA CALLED
- 00:11:45.285 --> 00:11:46.720
- OPERA CALLED "DAYS OF OUR LIVES."
- 00:11:46.787 --> 00:11:49.656
- "DAYS OF OUR LIVES." BUT, YOU SEE,
- 00:11:49.723 --> 00:11:50.223
- BUT, YOU SEE, HERE'S THE THING: ALL THE
- 00:11:50.290 --> 00:11:51.124
- HERE'S THE THING: ALL THE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS
- 00:11:51.191 --> 00:11:51.691
- PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT IT WAS TERRIBLE THAT I WANTED TO
- 00:11:51.758 --> 00:11:53.093
- TERRIBLE THAT I WANTED TO BE IN SHOW BUSINESS, I SAID--
- 00:11:53.160 --> 00:11:55.829
- BE IN SHOW BUSINESS, I SAID-- WELL, I WOULD SAY TO THEM,
- 00:11:55.896 --> 00:11:56.897
- WELL, I WOULD SAY TO THEM, "GOD IS GOING TO USE ME THERE."
- 00:11:56.963 --> 00:12:00.867
- "GOD IS GOING TO USE ME THERE." THAT IS MY MISSION FIELD WHEN
- 00:12:00.934 --> 00:12:03.003
- THAT IS MY MISSION FIELD WHEN I CAN SHARE THE LORD AND
- 00:12:03.069 --> 00:12:04.371
- I CAN SHARE THE LORD AND THE HOPE THAT IS WITHIN ME
- 00:12:04.437 --> 00:12:04.938
- THE HOPE THAT IS WITHIN ME WITH PEOPLE THAT WOULD
- 00:12:05.005 --> 00:12:05.839
- WITH PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEVER PICK UP A BIBLE,
- 00:12:05.906 --> 00:12:07.207
- NEVER PICK UP A BIBLE, THROW IT DOWN, OR THEY'D
- 00:12:07.274 --> 00:12:13.079
- THROW IT DOWN, OR THEY'D RIP IT UP, OR THEY'D BURN IT.
- 00:12:13.146 --> 00:12:14.514
- RIP IT UP, OR THEY'D BURN IT. NEVER-- YOU KNOW, THEY,
- 00:12:14.581 --> 00:12:16.683
- NEVER-- YOU KNOW, THEY, JUST, THEY WON'T GO THERE
- 00:12:16.750 --> 00:12:17.217
- JUST, THEY WON'T GO THERE AND FOR GOOD REASONS, LOTS
- 00:12:17.284 --> 00:12:17.751
- AND FOR GOOD REASONS, LOTS OF 'EM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT
- 00:12:17.818 --> 00:12:18.652
- OF 'EM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY APPEALING.
- 00:12:18.718 --> 00:12:19.219
- VERY APPEALING. - ERIC: BECAUSE RELIGIOUS
- 00:12:19.286 --> 00:12:19.786
- - ERIC: BECAUSE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN BE THE WORST
- 00:12:19.853 --> 00:12:20.287
- PEOPLE CAN BE THE WORST PEOPLE.
- 00:12:20.353 --> 00:12:21.087
- PEOPLE. - KATHIE LEE: THEIR
- 00:12:21.154 --> 00:12:22.322
- - KATHIE LEE: THEIR SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS IS
- 00:12:22.389 --> 00:12:23.290
- SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS IS UNBELIEVABLE, AND THE ONLY
- 00:12:23.356 --> 00:12:24.291
- UNBELIEVABLE, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE JESUS EVER GOT
- 00:12:24.357 --> 00:12:25.192
- PEOPLE JESUS EVER GOT ANGRY WITH WERE THE
- 00:12:25.258 --> 00:12:27.861
- ANGRY WITH WERE THE PHARISEES AND THE SADDUCEES,
- 00:12:27.928 --> 00:12:30.197
- PHARISEES AND THE SADDUCEES, AND THE ONES THAT WERE SINNERS
- 00:12:30.263 --> 00:12:32.032
- AND THE ONES THAT WERE SINNERS AND PROSTITUTES AND EVERY
- 00:12:32.098 --> 00:12:32.966
- AND PROSTITUTES AND EVERY MANNER OF EVIL, HE JUST
- 00:12:33.033 --> 00:12:35.502
- MANNER OF EVIL, HE JUST LOVED ON 'EM, BUT THE
- 00:12:35.569 --> 00:12:39.005
- LOVED ON 'EM, BUT THE PHARISEES HAD HARDENED
- 00:12:39.072 --> 00:12:39.573
- PHARISEES HAD HARDENED HEARTS, AND THE SADDUCEES,
- 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.508
- HEARTS, AND THE SADDUCEES, THEY WERE THE
- 00:12:41.575 --> 00:12:41.975
- THEY WERE THE POWER-GRABBERS.
- 00:12:42.042 --> 00:12:43.143
- POWER-GRABBERS. THEY WOULD DEMAND.
- 00:12:43.210 --> 00:12:44.811
- THEY WOULD DEMAND. THEY WERE THE MACHINE, AND
- 00:12:44.878 --> 00:12:47.547
- THEY WERE THE MACHINE, AND THEY-- JESUS THREATENED
- 00:12:47.614 --> 00:12:48.515
- THEY-- JESUS THREATENED THEIR POWER 'CAUSE THE
- 00:12:48.582 --> 00:12:49.382
- THEIR POWER 'CAUSE THE POWER OF JESUS WAS LOVE
- 00:12:49.449 --> 00:12:50.984
- POWER OF JESUS WAS LOVE AND FORGIVENESS, AND HIS
- 00:12:51.051 --> 00:12:52.085
- AND FORGIVENESS, AND HIS MIRACLES WAS SEDUCING,
- 00:12:52.152 --> 00:12:53.887
- MIRACLES WAS SEDUCING, THEY THOUGHT, SEDUCING THE
- 00:12:53.954 --> 00:12:54.521
- THEY THOUGHT, SEDUCING THE PEOPLE.
- 00:12:54.588 --> 00:12:55.856
- PEOPLE. - ERIC: LITERALLY
- 00:12:55.922 --> 00:12:56.890
- - ERIC: LITERALLY YESTERDAY, SUSANNE, MY
- 00:12:56.957 --> 00:12:59.192
- YESTERDAY, SUSANNE, MY CURRENT WIFE, AND I,
- 00:12:59.259 --> 00:13:00.327
- CURRENT WIFE, AND I, 25 YEARS NOW.
- 00:13:00.393 --> 00:13:02.362
- 25 YEARS NOW. - KATHIE LEE: THE ONLY
- 00:13:02.429 --> 00:13:03.196
- - KATHIE LEE: THE ONLY ONE I'VE EVER KNOWN YOU.
- 00:13:03.263 --> 00:13:04.164
- ONE I'VE EVER KNOWN YOU. - ERIC: TWENTY-FIVE YEARS.
- 00:13:04.231 --> 00:13:05.065
- - ERIC: TWENTY-FIVE YEARS. ALL RIGHT, WE WERE READING
- 00:13:05.131 --> 00:13:05.599
- ALL RIGHT, WE WERE READING WHERE JESUS RAISES
- 00:13:05.665 --> 00:13:06.733
- WHERE JESUS RAISES LAZARUS, AND SOMETIMES YOU
- 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:08.635
- LAZARUS, AND SOMETIMES YOU READ THESE THINGS, AND
- 00:13:08.702 --> 00:13:09.236
- READ THESE THINGS, AND IT'S ALMOST FUNNY.
- 00:13:09.302 --> 00:13:11.471
- IT'S ALMOST FUNNY. THE RESPONSE OF THE PHARISEES.
- 00:13:11.538 --> 00:13:15.342
- THE RESPONSE OF THE PHARISEES. LIKE, YOU THINK, "ARE THEY
- 00:13:15.408 --> 00:13:16.409
- LIKE, YOU THINK, "ARE THEY MAKING THIS UP?"
- 00:13:16.476 --> 00:13:18.044
- MAKING THIS UP?" - KATHIE LEE: I KNOW,
- 00:13:18.111 --> 00:13:18.645
- - KATHIE LEE: I KNOW, THEY WEREN'T THRILLED
- 00:13:18.712 --> 00:13:19.212
- THEY WEREN'T THRILLED SOMEBODY CAME BACK TO LIFE?
- 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:20.180
- SOMEBODY CAME BACK TO LIFE? - ERIC: THEIR RESPONSE WAS
- 00:13:20.247 --> 00:13:20.981
- - ERIC: THEIR RESPONSE WAS "WHAT THE HECK ARE WE
- 00:13:21.047 --> 00:13:21.848
- "WHAT THE HECK ARE WE GONNA DO NOW?"
- 00:13:21.915 --> 00:13:24.351
- GONNA DO NOW?" IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF
- 00:13:24.417 --> 00:13:26.186
- IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF SAYING, "WHOA, HE'S
- 00:13:26.253 --> 00:13:26.653
- SAYING, "WHOA, HE'S RAISING THE DEAD,"
- 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:27.420
- RAISING THE DEAD," "MAYBE IT'S THE MESSIAH,"
- 00:13:27.487 --> 00:13:27.954
- "MAYBE IT'S THE MESSIAH," THEIR RESPONSE WAS "THIS IS BAD
- 00:13:28.021 --> 00:13:31.825
- THEIR RESPONSE WAS "THIS IS BAD NEWS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING
- 00:13:31.892 --> 00:13:32.359
- NEWS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO LOSE--" I CAN'T
- 00:13:32.425 --> 00:13:32.792
- TO LOSE--" I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT PHRASE,
- 00:13:32.859 --> 00:13:34.227
- REMEMBER THE EXACT PHRASE, BUT "WE ARE GOING TO LOSE
- 00:13:34.294 --> 00:13:35.862
- BUT "WE ARE GOING TO LOSE OUR POWER."
- 00:13:35.929 --> 00:13:36.696
- OUR POWER." LIKE, IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY
- 00:13:36.763 --> 00:13:38.732
- LIKE, IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THAT,
- 00:13:38.798 --> 00:13:39.799
- LIKE THAT, AND YOU THINK--
- 00:13:39.866 --> 00:13:42.335
- AND YOU THINK-- - KATHIE LEE:
- 00:13:42.402 --> 00:13:42.903
- - KATHIE LEE: WELL, THE PEOPLE HAD
- 00:13:42.969 --> 00:13:43.603
- WELL, THE PEOPLE HAD NO AFFECTION FOR THE
- 00:13:43.670 --> 00:13:44.271
- NO AFFECTION FOR THE PHARISEES AND THE
- 00:13:44.337 --> 00:13:45.338
- PHARISEES AND THE SADDUCEES ANYWAY, BUT
- 00:13:45.405 --> 00:13:45.972
- SADDUCEES ANYWAY, BUT THEIR ENTIRE CULTURE, AS
- 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:47.407
- THEIR ENTIRE CULTURE, AS YOU KNOW, WAS
- 00:13:47.474 --> 00:13:48.541
- YOU KNOW, WAS SURROUNDING-- IT WAS ABOUT
- 00:13:48.608 --> 00:13:50.076
- SURROUNDING-- IT WAS ABOUT THE TEMPLE, AND THEY
- 00:13:50.143 --> 00:13:51.278
- THE TEMPLE, AND THEY CONTROLLED THE TEMPLE, AND
- 00:13:51.344 --> 00:13:52.279
- CONTROLLED THE TEMPLE, AND IF THEY WANTED TO--
- 00:13:52.345 --> 00:13:53.146
- IF THEY WANTED TO-- AND THEY'D BE THROWN OUT OF
- 00:13:53.213 --> 00:13:53.747
- AND THEY'D BE THROWN OUT OF COMMUNITY IF THEY DIDN'T
- 00:13:53.813 --> 00:13:55.315
- COMMUNITY IF THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW ALL THE RULES.
- 00:13:55.382 --> 00:13:56.516
- FOLLOW ALL THE RULES. IT'S ALSO THE 600 EXTRA
- 00:13:56.583 --> 00:13:58.218
- IT'S ALSO THE 600 EXTRA ONES THAT THE PHARISEES
- 00:13:58.285 --> 00:13:59.252
- ONES THAT THE PHARISEES AND SADDUCEES PUT ON THEM.
- 00:13:59.319 --> 00:13:59.786
- AND SADDUCEES PUT ON THEM. - ERIC: I PROPHESY--
- 00:13:59.853 --> 00:14:00.420
- - ERIC: I PROPHESY-- I'M PROPHESYING NOW ON THE
- 00:14:00.487 --> 00:14:00.954
- I'M PROPHESYING NOW ON THE SHOW THAT I'M GONNA GO TO
- 00:14:01.021 --> 00:14:02.422
- SHOW THAT I'M GONNA GO TO ISRAEL WITH KATHIE LEE.
- 00:14:02.489 --> 00:14:03.256
- ISRAEL WITH KATHIE LEE. WE'RE GONNA SING--
- 00:14:03.323 --> 00:14:04.024
- WE'RE GONNA SING-- - KATHIE LEE: AND GO WITH MY
- 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:04.658
- - KATHIE LEE: AND GO WITH MY TEACHERS 'CAUSE THEY'RE
- 00:14:04.724 --> 00:14:05.992
- TEACHERS 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE EXPERTS.
- 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:06.593
- THE ONES THAT ARE EXPERTS. - ERIC: I KNOW, I KNOW,
- 00:14:06.660 --> 00:14:07.193
- - ERIC: I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW.
- 00:14:07.260 --> 00:14:07.694
- I KNOW. I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT
- 00:14:07.761 --> 00:14:08.261
- I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
- 00:14:08.328 --> 00:14:08.628
- THAT. OKAY, SO YOU GET A JOB ON
- 00:14:08.695 --> 00:14:09.262
- OKAY, SO YOU GET A JOB ON "DAYS OF OUR LIVES."
- 00:14:09.329 --> 00:14:10.230
- "DAYS OF OUR LIVES." SO YOU ARE, QUOTE, UNQUOTE,
- 00:14:10.297 --> 00:14:11.898
- SO YOU ARE, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, "A SECULAR ACTOR,"
- 00:14:11.965 --> 00:14:12.766
- "A SECULAR ACTOR," BUT YOU'RE STILL VERY MUCH
- 00:14:12.832 --> 00:14:14.100
- BUT YOU'RE STILL VERY MUCH WALKING WITH THE LORD.
- 00:14:14.167 --> 00:14:15.201
- WALKING WITH THE LORD. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, VERY
- 00:14:15.268 --> 00:14:15.902
- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, VERY MUCH SO, AND THAT'S WHAT,
- 00:14:15.969 --> 00:14:16.836
- MUCH SO, AND THAT'S WHAT, SORT OF, THIS BOOK IS
- 00:14:16.903 --> 00:14:18.371
- SORT OF, THIS BOOK IS ABOUT.
- 00:14:18.438 --> 00:14:19.139
- ABOUT. ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS
- 00:14:19.205 --> 00:14:20.607
- ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE HAD THROUGH
- 00:14:20.674 --> 00:14:23.109
- THAT I HAVE HAD THROUGH THE YEARS, SEVERAL OF 'EM
- 00:14:23.176 --> 00:14:24.477
- THE YEARS, SEVERAL OF 'EM I SHARED IN MY LAST BOOK,
- 00:14:24.544 --> 00:14:25.679
- I SHARED IN MY LAST BOOK, WHICH WAS CALLED
- 00:14:25.745 --> 00:14:26.479
- WHICH WAS CALLED "IT'S NEVER TOO LATE."
- 00:14:26.546 --> 00:14:27.113
- "IT'S NEVER TOO LATE." MY LITERARY AGENT HERE IN
- 00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:28.682
- MY LITERARY AGENT HERE IN NEW YORK, A PERSON VERY
- 00:14:28.748 --> 00:14:30.350
- NEW YORK, A PERSON VERY DIFFERENT FROM MYSELF,
- 00:14:30.417 --> 00:14:31.952
- DIFFERENT FROM MYSELF, HE'S A MAN, NUMBER ONE,
- 00:14:32.018 --> 00:14:32.819
- HE'S A MAN, NUMBER ONE, HE'S A MALE, HE'S ASIAN,
- 00:14:32.886 --> 00:14:35.455
- HE'S A MALE, HE'S ASIAN, HE'S GAY, AND HE WAS
- 00:14:35.522 --> 00:14:36.890
- HE'S GAY, AND HE WAS RAISED A BUDDHIST, BUT
- 00:14:36.957 --> 00:14:38.058
- RAISED A BUDDHIST, BUT HE'S A FANTASTIC GUY, AND
- 00:14:38.124 --> 00:14:40.126
- HE'S A FANTASTIC GUY, AND I LOVE HIM, AND HE TOLD ME
- 00:14:40.193 --> 00:14:41.728
- I LOVE HIM, AND HE TOLD ME THAT WHAT HE LIKED THE
- 00:14:41.795 --> 00:14:43.697
- THAT WHAT HE LIKED THE MOST ABOUT THE LAST BOOK
- 00:14:43.763 --> 00:14:44.831
- MOST ABOUT THE LAST BOOK THAT WE HAD ALL DONE TOGETHER,
- 00:14:44.898 --> 00:14:48.568
- THAT WE HAD ALL DONE TOGETHER, WELL, THE STORIES ARE LIKE
- 00:14:48.635 --> 00:14:49.135
- WELL, THE STORIES ARE LIKE WHEN I SHARED JESUS WITH
- 00:14:49.202 --> 00:14:49.669
- WHEN I SHARED JESUS WITH CRAIG FERGUSON ON A SET,
- 00:14:49.736 --> 00:14:51.438
- CRAIG FERGUSON ON A SET, ON A MOVIE THAT I WROTE
- 00:14:51.504 --> 00:14:53.606
- ON A MOVIE THAT I WROTE FOR THE TWO OF US.
- 00:14:53.673 --> 00:14:54.074
- FOR THE TWO OF US. - ERIC: YEAH, I WANNA
- 00:14:54.140 --> 00:14:54.708
- - ERIC: YEAH, I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS
- 00:14:54.774 --> 00:14:55.542
- TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF, SO WE'RE
- 00:14:55.608 --> 00:14:56.076
- KIND OF STUFF, SO WE'RE GOING THERE, FOLKS, BUT
- 00:14:56.142 --> 00:14:56.609
- GOING THERE, FOLKS, BUT KEEP GOIN', KEEP GOIN'.
- 00:14:56.676 --> 00:14:57.243
- KEEP GOIN', KEEP GOIN'. - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, SO
- 00:14:57.310 --> 00:14:58.011
- - KATHIE LEE: YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT A--
- 00:14:58.078 --> 00:14:58.945
- THAT'S WHAT A-- OR KEVIN COSTNER OR--
- 00:14:59.012 --> 00:14:59.412
- I TELL THAT STORY IN THIS
- 00:15:00.113 --> 00:15:00.613
- I TELL THAT STORY IN THIS ONE, AND HE SAID, "KATHIE,
- 00:15:00.680 --> 00:15:01.581
- ONE, AND HE SAID, "KATHIE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE
- 00:15:01.648 --> 00:15:02.515
- BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD A DIFFERENT KIND OF
- 00:15:02.582 --> 00:15:04.050
- HAD A DIFFERENT KIND OF LIFE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF
- 00:15:04.117 --> 00:15:05.151
- LIFE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF THE WORLD THAT YOU HAVE
- 00:15:05.218 --> 00:15:06.619
- THE WORLD THAT YOU HAVE MADE YOUR LIVING IN,"
- 00:15:06.686 --> 00:15:07.620
- MADE YOUR LIVING IN," BUT I WAS EXACTLY WHERE I WAS
- 00:15:07.687 --> 00:15:08.221
- BUT I WAS EXACTLY WHERE I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE,
- 00:15:08.288 --> 00:15:10.423
- AND AS A RESULT, EVERY
- 00:15:11.091 --> 00:15:11.725
- AND AS A RESULT, EVERY TIME I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
- 00:15:11.791 --> 00:15:14.160
- TIME I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE JESUS OR A
- 00:15:14.227 --> 00:15:15.462
- TO SHARE JESUS OR A SCRIPTURE OR ANYTHING, ANY
- 00:15:15.528 --> 00:15:17.330
- SCRIPTURE OR ANYTHING, ANY MOMENT THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT
- 00:15:17.397 --> 00:15:18.264
- MOMENT THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD GIVE ME,
- 00:15:18.331 --> 00:15:19.466
- WOULD GIVE ME, IN MY OWN SPIRIT, I'D KNOW,
- 00:15:19.532 --> 00:15:21.201
- IN MY OWN SPIRIT, I'D KNOW, "SAY IT," "SAY IT IN LOVE,"
- 00:15:21.267 --> 00:15:23.503
- "SAY IT," "SAY IT IN LOVE," "SAY IT IN TENDERNESS,"
- 00:15:23.570 --> 00:15:24.004
- "SAY IT IN TENDERNESS," "SAY IT IN HUMOR,"
- 00:15:24.070 --> 00:15:24.804
- "SAY IT IN HUMOR," YOU KNOW, "SAY IT
- 00:15:24.871 --> 00:15:25.872
- YOU KNOW, "SAY IT IN A WAY THAT WILL NOT--
- 00:15:25.939 --> 00:15:28.675
- IN A WAY THAT WILL NOT-- SPEAK GENTLY AND TENDERLY
- 00:15:28.742 --> 00:15:30.276
- SPEAK GENTLY AND TENDERLY TO PEOPLE, AND MAKE 'EM
- 00:15:30.343 --> 00:15:30.810
- TO PEOPLE, AND MAKE 'EM LAUGH TOO IF YOU CAN,
- 00:15:30.877 --> 00:15:32.746
- LAUGH TOO IF YOU CAN, AND THEY WILL TAKE NOTICE."
- 00:15:32.812 --> 00:15:37.484
- AND THEY WILL TAKE NOTICE." AND I PROBABLY-- AND I
- 00:15:37.550 --> 00:15:41.287
- AND I PROBABLY-- AND I THINK BILLY WITH ALL MY
- 00:15:41.354 --> 00:15:41.821
- THINK BILLY WITH ALL MY HEART FOR THIS BECAUSE HE
- 00:15:41.888 --> 00:15:42.389
- HEART FOR THIS BECAUSE HE BECAME A VERY DEAR FRIEND.
- 00:15:42.455 --> 00:15:43.189
- BECAME A VERY DEAR FRIEND. I HAVE PROBABLY REACHED
- 00:15:43.256 --> 00:15:43.723
- I HAVE PROBABLY REACHED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND
- 00:15:43.790 --> 00:15:44.290
- MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WITH
- 00:15:44.357 --> 00:15:44.824
- MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WITH THE GOSPEL.
- 00:15:44.891 --> 00:15:45.258
- THE GOSPEL. THAT'S-- I'M NOT SAYING
- 00:15:45.325 --> 00:15:45.792
- THAT'S-- I'M NOT SAYING THAT LIKE, "YAY, ME."
- 00:15:45.859 --> 00:15:47.994
- THAT LIKE, "YAY, ME." I'M SAYING THAT'S BECAUSE I'M
- 00:15:48.061 --> 00:15:48.628
- I'M SAYING THAT'S BECAUSE I'M FULFILLING MY PURPOSE, AND
- 00:15:48.695 --> 00:15:52.632
- FULFILLING MY PURPOSE, AND IF WE MAKE EVERYBODY GO TO
- 00:15:52.699 --> 00:15:53.199
- IF WE MAKE EVERYBODY GO TO BE COOKIE-CUTTERED AND DO
- 00:15:53.266 --> 00:15:54.868
- BE COOKIE-CUTTERED AND DO THE SAME MISSION WORK, YOU
- 00:15:54.934 --> 00:15:57.837
- THE SAME MISSION WORK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT-- JESUS
- 00:15:57.904 --> 00:16:01.141
- KNOW, THAT'S NOT-- JESUS SAID, "GO INTO ALL CORNERS
- 00:16:01.207 --> 00:16:01.975
- SAID, "GO INTO ALL CORNERS OF THE EARTH AND TELL
- 00:16:02.042 --> 00:16:03.176
- OF THE EARTH AND TELL EVERYBODY,"
- 00:16:03.243 --> 00:16:03.710
- EVERYBODY," AND, YOU KNOW,
- 00:16:03.777 --> 00:16:05.178
- AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M JUST-- THAT'S
- 00:16:05.245 --> 00:16:07.347
- AND SO I'M JUST-- THAT'S MY CORNER OF THE EARTH.
- 00:16:07.414 --> 00:16:08.248
- MY CORNER OF THE EARTH. - ERIC: WHAT'S INTERESTING,
- 00:16:08.314 --> 00:16:08.815
- - ERIC: WHAT'S INTERESTING, TO ME, ABOUT THAT IS THAT
- 00:16:08.882 --> 00:16:10.216
- TO ME, ABOUT THAT IS THAT IT TAKES COURAGE,
- 00:16:10.283 --> 00:16:11.918
- IT TAKES COURAGE, AND IT TAKES ACTUAL FAITH
- 00:16:11.985 --> 00:16:13.686
- AND IT TAKES ACTUAL FAITH BECAUSE YOU DO GET
- 00:16:13.753 --> 00:16:15.321
- BECAUSE YOU DO GET PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE AS
- 00:16:15.388 --> 00:16:17.023
- PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE AS YOU HAVE OVER THE YEARS.
- 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:17.624
- YOU HAVE OVER THE YEARS. - KATHIE LEE: I JUST DID
- 00:16:17.690 --> 00:16:18.324
- - KATHIE LEE: I JUST DID THE "TODAY" SHOW THIS
- 00:16:18.391 --> 00:16:19.426
- THE "TODAY" SHOW THIS MORNING, AND I'M GETTIN'
- 00:16:19.492 --> 00:16:20.093
- MORNING, AND I'M GETTIN' ALL KINDS OF PUSHBACK
- 00:16:20.160 --> 00:16:21.227
- ALL KINDS OF PUSHBACK ABOUT SOMETHIN'.
- 00:16:21.294 --> 00:16:21.628
- ABOUT SOMETHIN'. I DON'T CARE.
- 00:16:21.694 --> 00:16:22.095
- I DON'T CARE. - ERIC: REALLY?
- 00:16:22.162 --> 00:16:22.562
- - ERIC: REALLY? - KATHIE LEE: YES, IT
- 00:16:22.629 --> 00:16:23.129
- - KATHIE LEE: YES, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
- 00:16:23.196 --> 00:16:23.897
- DOESN'T MATTER. - ERIC: ARE THEY STILL ON
- 00:16:23.963 --> 00:16:24.431
- - ERIC: ARE THEY STILL ON THE AIR?
- 00:16:24.497 --> 00:16:24.998
- THE AIR? - KATHIE LEE: YES, I KNOW
- 00:16:25.065 --> 00:16:25.899
- - KATHIE LEE: YES, I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT--
- 00:16:25.965 --> 00:16:27.067
- THAT FOR A FACT-- - ERIC: REALLY?
- 00:16:27.133 --> 00:16:27.567
- - ERIC: REALLY? - KATHIE LEE: --'CAUSE I
- 00:16:27.634 --> 00:16:28.334
- - KATHIE LEE: --'CAUSE I DID THE 8 O'CLOCK AND THE
- 00:16:28.401 --> 00:16:28.902
- DID THE 8 O'CLOCK AND THE 10 O'CLOCK TODAY, YES.
- 00:16:28.968 --> 00:16:30.403
- 10 O'CLOCK TODAY, YES. - ERIC: OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.
- 00:16:30.470 --> 00:16:31.538
- - ERIC: OKAY, GOOD, GOOD. - KATHIE LEE: AND IT'S
- 00:16:31.604 --> 00:16:32.439
- - KATHIE LEE: AND IT'S FULL OF REALLY, REALLY A
- 00:16:32.505 --> 00:16:32.972
- FULL OF REALLY, REALLY A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE OVER
- 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:33.773
- LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE OVER THERE.
- 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:34.841
- THERE. - ERIC: OKAY, IN THE BOOK
- 00:16:34.908 --> 00:16:35.408
- - ERIC: OKAY, IN THE BOOK "THE JESUS I KNOW,"
- 00:16:35.475 --> 00:16:36.342
- "THE JESUS I KNOW," YOU RELATE CONVERSATIONS THAT
- 00:16:36.409 --> 00:16:37.577
- YOU RELATE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD, AND THIS IS
- 00:16:37.644 --> 00:16:39.245
- YOU'VE HAD, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, KATHIE, 'CAUSE I--
- 00:16:39.312 --> 00:16:40.380
- IMPORTANT, KATHIE, 'CAUSE I-- AGAIN, WHEN I'M WITH
- 00:16:40.447 --> 00:16:41.648
- AGAIN, WHEN I'M WITH YOU, I JOKE AROUND SO
- 00:16:41.714 --> 00:16:43.083
- YOU, I JOKE AROUND SO MUCH, BUT THIS IS AT THE
- 00:16:43.149 --> 00:16:44.050
- MUCH, BUT THIS IS AT THE VERY HEART OF EVERYTHING.
- 00:16:44.117 --> 00:16:45.151
- VERY HEART OF EVERYTHING. HOW DO YOU TALK TO PEOPLE
- 00:16:45.218 --> 00:16:46.486
- HOW DO YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT ULTIMATE ISSUES, THE
- 00:16:46.553 --> 00:16:49.722
- ABOUT ULTIMATE ISSUES, THE THING THAT HAS CHANGED
- 00:16:49.789 --> 00:16:51.191
- THING THAT HAS CHANGED YOUR LIFE AND CHANGED MY
- 00:16:51.257 --> 00:16:52.826
- YOUR LIFE AND CHANGED MY LIFE, WHEN THEY'RE NOT ON
- 00:16:52.892 --> 00:16:54.994
- LIFE, WHEN THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE?
- 00:16:55.061 --> 00:16:55.962
- THE SAME PAGE? SO HOW HAS THAT WORKED OUT
- 00:16:56.029 --> 00:16:56.563
- SO HOW HAS THAT WORKED OUT FOR YOU?
- 00:16:56.629 --> 00:16:57.464
- FOR YOU? BECAUSE BEING IN SHOW
- 00:16:57.530 --> 00:16:58.131
- BECAUSE BEING IN SHOW BUSINESS, YOU'VE BUMPED
- 00:16:58.198 --> 00:16:59.332
- BUSINESS, YOU'VE BUMPED INTO TONS OF PEOPLE, SOME
- 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:00.433
- INTO TONS OF PEOPLE, SOME OF WHOM WOULD BE OPENLY
- 00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:02.135
- OF WHOM WOULD BE OPENLY HOSTILE; OTHERS WOULD BE
- 00:17:02.202 --> 00:17:03.069
- HOSTILE; OTHERS WOULD BE CURIOUS, MYSTIFIED.
- 00:17:03.136 --> 00:17:05.705
- CURIOUS, MYSTIFIED. - KATHIE LEE: FIRST OF ALL,
- 00:17:05.772 --> 00:17:06.773
- - KATHIE LEE: FIRST OF ALL, I PRAY BEFORE I DO ANY PROJECT,
- 00:17:06.840 --> 00:17:08.141
- I PRAY BEFORE I DO ANY PROJECT, AND I SAY, "LORD, WHOEVER
- 00:17:08.208 --> 00:17:08.708
- AND I SAY, "LORD, WHOEVER YOU WANT ME TO BE WITH,
- 00:17:08.775 --> 00:17:09.342
- YOU WANT ME TO BE WITH, WHOEVER YOU WANT ME TO
- 00:17:09.409 --> 00:17:10.243
- WHOEVER YOU WANT ME TO MEET OR TALK TO, SHOW ME,
- 00:17:10.310 --> 00:17:12.679
- MEET OR TALK TO, SHOW ME, AND THEN LET THE HOLY SPIRIT
- 00:17:12.745 --> 00:17:13.580
- AND THEN LET THE HOLY SPIRIT COMMUNICATE IN MY INNER WOMAN,
- 00:17:13.646 --> 00:17:15.748
- COMMUNICATE IN MY INNER WOMAN, MY INNER SPIRIT,
- 00:17:15.815 --> 00:17:17.250
- MY INNER SPIRIT, WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY."
- 00:17:17.317 --> 00:17:19.486
- WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY." SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT
- 00:17:19.552 --> 00:17:20.520
- SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL SAY.
- 00:17:20.587 --> 00:17:21.087
- YOU'LL SAY. THE LORD WILL GIVE YOU
- 00:17:21.154 --> 00:17:22.122
- THE LORD WILL GIVE YOU UTTERANCE.
- 00:17:22.188 --> 00:17:23.289
- UTTERANCE. SO USUALLY, AND THIS
- 00:17:23.356 --> 00:17:25.458
- SO USUALLY, AND THIS HAPPENS QUITE A BIT.
- 00:17:25.525 --> 00:17:27.026
- HAPPENS QUITE A BIT. I DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
- 00:17:27.093 --> 00:17:28.027
- I DON'T SAY ANYTHING. PEOPLE JUST START TO TALK
- 00:17:28.094 --> 00:17:28.561
- PEOPLE JUST START TO TALK TO ME.
- 00:17:28.628 --> 00:17:31.231
- TO ME. THEY'LL START TO TALK TO ME,
- 00:17:31.297 --> 00:17:32.198
- THEY'LL START TO TALK TO ME, AND THEY'LL ASK A QUESTION,
- 00:17:32.265 --> 00:17:33.533
- AND THEY'LL ASK A QUESTION, AND THAT HAS HAPPENED MORE
- 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:35.168
- AND THAT HAS HAPPENED MORE AND MORE AND MORE AS
- 00:17:35.235 --> 00:17:36.336
- AND MORE AND MORE AS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT'S
- 00:17:36.402 --> 00:17:37.570
- PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
- 00:17:37.637 --> 00:17:38.905
- WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THEY DON'T RUN FROM IT.
- 00:17:38.972 --> 00:17:40.473
- THEY DON'T RUN FROM IT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST WHY ARE
- 00:17:40.540 --> 00:17:41.040
- I MEAN, IT'S JUST WHY ARE WE AFRAID?
- 00:17:41.107 --> 00:17:44.277
- WE AFRAID? WHY ARE WE AFRAID TO
- 00:17:44.344 --> 00:17:45.845
- WHY ARE WE AFRAID TO PROCLAIM OUR LORD AND LET
- 00:17:45.912 --> 00:17:46.813
- PROCLAIM OUR LORD AND LET PEOPLE SEE US VULNERABLE
- 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.515
- PEOPLE SEE US VULNERABLE AND REAL AND--
- 00:17:48.581 --> 00:17:50.383
- AND REAL AND-- I'M NOT PERFECT,
- 00:17:50.450 --> 00:17:51.384
- I'M NOT PERFECT, BUT I LOVE A PERFECT GOD,
- 00:17:51.451 --> 00:17:54.154
- BUT I LOVE A PERFECT GOD, AND HE LOVES ME ANYWAY,
- 00:17:54.220 --> 00:17:56.089
- AND HE LOVES ME ANYWAY, AND HE TELLS ME THAT HE
- 00:17:56.156 --> 00:17:57.457
- AND HE TELLS ME THAT HE WANTS ME TO LOVE PEOPLE
- 00:17:57.524 --> 00:17:58.758
- WANTS ME TO LOVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALSO NOT PERFECT.
- 00:17:58.825 --> 00:18:01.561
- THAT ARE ALSO NOT PERFECT. - ERIC: THIS IS CRAZY TALK.
- 00:18:01.628 --> 00:18:02.395
- - ERIC: THIS IS CRAZY TALK. LISTEN, YOU KNOW I'M WITH
- 00:18:02.462 --> 00:18:02.929
- LISTEN, YOU KNOW I'M WITH YOU, AND I LOVE IT.
- 00:18:02.996 --> 00:18:05.431
- YOU, AND I LOVE IT. SO WHAT LED YOU TO WRITE A
- 00:18:05.498 --> 00:18:06.232
- SO WHAT LED YOU TO WRITE A BOOK WITH THE TITLE
- 00:18:06.299 --> 00:18:07.066
- BOOK WITH THE TITLE "THE JESUS I KNOW"?
- 00:18:07.133 --> 00:18:10.003
- "THE JESUS I KNOW"? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DO
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- IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "THE JESUS I KNOW,"
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- YOU MEAN, "THE JESUS I KNOW," AND THEN WHY
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- AND THEN WHY "HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND
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- "HONEST CONVERSATIONS AND DIVERSE OPINIONS ABOUT WHO
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- DIVERSE OPINIONS ABOUT WHO HE IS"?
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- HE IS"? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
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- WHAT DO YOU MEAN? - KATHIE LEE: BECAUSE IN,
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- - KATHIE LEE: BECAUSE IN, LIKE, THE COURSE OF MY LIFE,
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- LIKE, THE COURSE OF MY LIFE, I'VE DISCOVERED THAT
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- I'VE DISCOVERED THAT MOST EVERYBODY HAS A
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- MOST EVERYBODY HAS A CONCEPT OF JESUS, AND VERY
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- CONCEPT OF JESUS, AND VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE REPELLED BY
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- FEW PEOPLE ARE REPELLED BY HIM OR REVOLTED BY HIM
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- HIM OR REVOLTED BY HIM UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT
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- UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF SATANIC INFLUENCE,
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- OF SATANIC INFLUENCE, BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
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- BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CHALLENGED IN THAT WAY,
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- CHALLENGED IN THAT WAY, EVEN THE DEMONS
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- EVEN THE DEMONS RECOGNIZED HIM,
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- RECOGNIZED HIM, THAT HE'S A FORCE TO BE
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- THAT HE'S A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH,
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- RECKONED WITH, AND I FIND THAT FASCINATING.
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- AND I FIND THAT FASCINATING. I LIKE TO FIND OUT FROM
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- I LIKE TO FIND OUT FROM PEOPLE, "WHAT IS YOUR
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- PEOPLE, "WHAT IS YOUR CONCEPT OF HIM, OR WHEN
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- CONCEPT OF HIM, OR WHEN DID YOU FIRST HEAR ABOUT HIM,
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- DID YOU FIRST HEAR ABOUT HIM, AND WHAT DID YOU THINK?"
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- AND WHAT DID YOU THINK?" AND "DO YOU EVEN BELIEVE
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- AND "DO YOU EVEN BELIEVE HE WAS A HISTORICAL FIGURE,
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- HE WAS A HISTORICAL FIGURE, NOT JUST A--" YOU KNOW,
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- NOT JUST A--" YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN
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- BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO SAY
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- TRYING FOR YEARS TO SAY DAVID NEVER EXISTED;
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- DAVID NEVER EXISTED; SOLOMON NEVER EXISTED,
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- SOLOMON NEVER EXISTED, AND NOW THEY'RE FINDING ALL
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- AND NOW THEY'RE FINDING ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN ISRAEL
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- KINDS OF THINGS IN ISRAEL CONFIRMING THAT THE
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- CONFIRMING THAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TRUE.
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- SCRIPTURES ARE TRUE. - ERIC: DO YOU KNOW I'VE
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- - ERIC: DO YOU KNOW I'VE JUST WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT
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- JUST WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THIS?
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- THIS? I'VE GOT A COPY FOR YOU IN
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- I'VE GOT A COPY FOR YOU IN THE OTHER ROOM.
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- THE OTHER ROOM. - KATHIE LEE: OH, GOOD.
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- - KATHIE LEE: OH, GOOD. - ERIC: I'M NOT EVEN
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- - ERIC: I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING.
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- KIDDING. LIKE, IT IS THE EVIDENCE
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- LIKE, IT IS THE EVIDENCE IS INSANE.
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- IS INSANE. - KATHIE LEE: YOU CANNOT
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- - KATHIE LEE: YOU CANNOT IGNORE IT.
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- IGNORE IT. - ERIC: INSANE.
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- - ERIC: INSANE. - KATHIE LEE: THAT'S
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- - KATHIE LEE: THAT'S CALLED "WILLFUL IGNORANCE"
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- CALLED "WILLFUL IGNORANCE" WHEN YOU JUST IGNORE THAT
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- WHEN YOU JUST IGNORE THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE, AND
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- KIND OF EVIDENCE, AND THAT'S THE PERFECT WORD.
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- THAT'S THE PERFECT WORD. SO, ANYWAY, A LOT OF
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- SO, ANYWAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN MY BUSINESS AND--
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- PEOPLE ARE IN MY BUSINESS AND-- BUT THEY'RE NOT AS OPEN AS
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- BUT THEY'RE NOT AS OPEN AS I AM.
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- I AM. MANY, MANY TIMES, THEY
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- MANY, MANY TIMES, THEY WILL LEAN OVER TO ME
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- WILL LEAN OVER TO ME DURING COMMERCIAL BREAK,
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- DURING COMMERCIAL BREAK, AND THEY'LL GO, "I'M
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- AND THEY'LL GO, "I'M PRAYIN' FOR YOU, SISTER,"
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- PRAYIN' FOR YOU, SISTER," OR "I HEARD YOU THE OTHER
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- OR "I HEARD YOU THE OTHER DAY ON--"
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- WHATEVER, "AND YOU WERE
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- WHATEVER, "AND YOU WERE TALKIN' ABOUT JESUS, AND I
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- TALKIN' ABOUT JESUS, AND I THOUGHT, 'OH, THANK YOU,
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- THOUGHT, 'OH, THANK YOU, LORD, BLESS HER,'"
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- LORD, BLESS HER,'" BUT THEY DON'T-- YOU KNOW?
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- BUT THEY DON'T-- YOU KNOW? AND SO I JUST, SINCE THEN,
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- AND SO I JUST, SINCE THEN, I'VE JUST PRAYED FOR THEM
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- I'VE JUST PRAYED FOR THEM THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE
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- THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE AND MORE OPEN ABOUT THEIR
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- AND MORE OPEN ABOUT THEIR FAITH BECAUSE,
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- JESUS SAID, "IF YOU DON'T
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- JESUS SAID, "IF YOU DON'T STAND UP FOR ME,
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- STAND UP FOR ME, I HAVE TO THEN GO AND
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- I HAVE TO THEN GO AND STAND BEFORE THE FATHER
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- STAND BEFORE THE FATHER ON YOUR BEHALF."
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- ON YOUR BEHALF." I WANT JESUS GOIN' OVER TO
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- I WANT JESUS GOIN' OVER TO THE FATHER AND SAYIN',
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- THE FATHER AND SAYIN', "SHE WAS GOOD.
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- "SHE WAS GOOD. SHE DIDN'T MISS AN OPPORTUNITY."
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- SHE DIDN'T MISS AN OPPORTUNITY." - ERIC: SHE OPENED HER MOUTH.
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- - ERIC: SHE OPENED HER MOUTH. IN FACT, EVEN TOO MUCH--
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- IN FACT, EVEN TOO MUCH-- [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] -- EVEN TOO MUCH FOR ME.
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- -- EVEN TOO MUCH FOR ME. - KATHIE LEE: SLOW DOWN,
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- - KATHIE LEE: SLOW DOWN, KATH, SLOW DOWN.
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- KATH, SLOW DOWN. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] - ERIC: WELL, AGAIN,
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- - ERIC: WELL, AGAIN, IT GETS TO WHAT I WAS SAYING
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- IT GETS TO WHAT I WAS SAYING WHEN I WAS FIRST
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- WHEN I WAS FIRST INTRODUCING YOU HERE IS
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- INTRODUCING YOU HERE IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I'VE
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- THAT THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS VALUED ABOUT YOU
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- ALWAYS VALUED ABOUT YOU BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING
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- BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOD'S PUT ON MY HEART
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- THAT GOD'S PUT ON MY HEART THAT WE HAVE TO, IN A SENSE,
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- THAT WE HAVE TO, IN A SENSE, PIONEER A PUBLIC STANCE.
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- PIONEER A PUBLIC STANCE. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO
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- WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A CHRISTIAN IN
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- BE A CHRISTIAN IN PUBLIC LIFE?
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- PUBLIC LIFE? IT DOESN'T MEAN TALKIN'
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- IT DOESN'T MEAN TALKIN' ABOUT JESUS EVERY SECOND,
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- ABOUT JESUS EVERY SECOND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
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- BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT MEANS, WHEN THE
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- IT MEANS, WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES, YOU KNOW,
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- OPPORTUNITY ARISES, YOU KNOW, NOT HIDING IT.
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- NOT HIDING IT. - KATHIE LEE: AND YOU
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- - KATHIE LEE: AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
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- KNOW WHAT? WAS IT AUGUSTINE WHO SAID,
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- WAS IT AUGUSTINE WHO SAID, "PREACH THE GOSPEL AT ALL
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- "PREACH THE GOSPEL AT ALL TIMES BUT,
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- TIMES BUT, WHEN NECESSARY, USE WORDS"?
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- WHEN NECESSARY, USE WORDS"? - ERIC: I THINK THAT WAS
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- - ERIC: I THINK THAT WAS OSCAR WILDE.
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- OSCAR WILDE. NO, NO, SOUPY SALES.
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- NO, NO, SOUPY SALES. I ALWAYS GET THEM CONFUSED.
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- I ALWAYS GET THEM CONFUSED. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] I ALWAYS GET THEM CONFUSED.
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- I ALWAYS GET THEM CONFUSED. - KATHIE LEE: BUT THE
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- - KATHIE LEE: BUT THE POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
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- POINT IS WELL TAKEN. IF YOU'RE NOT-- DON'T TALK
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- IF YOU'RE NOT-- DON'T TALK ABOUT IT IF YOUR LIFE IS
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- ABOUT IT IF YOUR LIFE IS NOT GOING TO BE EVIDENCE
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- NOT GOING TO BE EVIDENCE OF IT, YOU KNOW?
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- OF IT, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA
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- 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
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- HELP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THAT'S NOT GONNA ADVANCE
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- THAT'S NOT GONNA ADVANCE HIS CAUSE WHICH IS TO--
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- HIS CAUSE WHICH IS TO-- YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL MEANS
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- YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL MEANS "GOOD NEWS."
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- "GOOD NEWS." GOOD NEWS IS THAT GOD LOVES US,
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- GOOD NEWS IS THAT GOD LOVES US, AND HE LOVES EVERYBODY HE'S
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- AND HE LOVES EVERYBODY HE'S CREATED, AND HIS WHOLE
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- CREATED, AND HIS WHOLE SHTICK IS TO BRING ALL OF
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- SHTICK IS TO BRING ALL OF HUMANKIND BACK TO BEIT AV,
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- HUMANKIND BACK TO BEIT AV, THE "FATHER'S HOUSE."
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- THE "FATHER'S HOUSE." - ERIC: YOU'RE THROWIN' IN
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- - ERIC: YOU'RE THROWIN' IN SOME OF THOSE JEWISH TERMS.
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- SOME OF THOSE JEWISH TERMS. - KATHIE LEE: YES.
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- - KATHIE LEE: YES. - ERIC: BEIT AV.
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- - ERIC: BEIT AV. - KATHIE LEE: BEIT AV,
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- - KATHIE LEE: BEIT AV, THE "FATHER'S HOUSE."
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- THE "FATHER'S HOUSE." - ERIC: I THOUGHT I SEEN IT,
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- - ERIC: I THOUGHT I SEEN IT, SO BEIT EL IS "GOD'S HOUSE,"
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- SO BEIT EL IS "GOD'S HOUSE," BY BEIT AV--
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- BY BEIT AV-- - KATHIE LEE: BEIT AV IS THE
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- - KATHIE LEE: BEIT AV IS THE "FATHER'S--"
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- "FATHER'S--" - ERIC: IS THE
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- - ERIC: IS THE "FATHER'S HOUSE."
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- "FATHER'S HOUSE." - KATHIE LEE: THE
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- - KATHIE LEE: THE "FATHER'S HOUSE."
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- "FATHER'S HOUSE." - ERIC: SO IT SEEMS LIKE
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- - ERIC: SO IT SEEMS LIKE ALREADY IN THE TITLE,
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- ALREADY IN THE TITLE, KATHIE, YOU ARE--
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- KATHIE, YOU ARE-- YOU'RE KIND OF GOIN' OUT
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- YOU'RE KIND OF GOIN' OUT OF YOUR WAY TO MAKE A
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- OF YOUR WAY TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT THE JESUS
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- STATEMENT THAT THE JESUS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT OR THAT
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- THAT WE HEAR ABOUT OR THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HEARD
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- A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT IS NOT QUITE WHO
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- ABOUT IS NOT QUITE WHO JESUS IS.
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- JESUS IS. IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF
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- IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT
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- PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF BAD RELIGIOUS IDEAS
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- OF BAD RELIGIOUS IDEAS ABOUT JESUS, AND THEY HAVE
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- ABOUT JESUS, AND THEY HAVE KEPT HIM AT ARM'S LENGTH,
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- KEPT HIM AT ARM'S LENGTH, AND YOU, IN YOUR LIFE,
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- AND YOU, IN YOUR LIFE, HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO
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- HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH
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- HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE TO LEAD HIM TO WHO
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- PEOPLE TO LEAD HIM TO WHO JESUS REALLY IS.
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- JESUS REALLY IS. - KATHIE LEE: I BELIEVE
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- - KATHIE LEE: I BELIEVE THAT JESUS SHOWS UP IN
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- THAT JESUS SHOWS UP IN PEOPLE'S LIVES IN
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- PEOPLE'S LIVES IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
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- DIFFERENT WAYS. HE'S A CUSTOM-MADE GOD.
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- HE'S A CUSTOM-MADE GOD. HE LOVES US AS INDIVIDUALS.
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- HE LOVES US AS INDIVIDUALS. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T STAND
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- THAT'S WHY I CAN'T STAND THIS COOKIE-CUTTER
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- THIS COOKIE-CUTTER MENTALITY IN THE CULTURE
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- MENTALITY IN THE CULTURE WE LIVE IN TODAY:
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- WE LIVE IN TODAY: "LOOK LIKE I DO,"
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- "LOOK LIKE I DO," "BREATHE LIKE I DO,"
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- "BREATHE LIKE I DO," "WORSHIP LIKE I DO,"
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- "WORSHIP LIKE I DO," "VOTE LIKE I DO,"
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- "VOTE LIKE I DO," SPEAK JUST ALL THE
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- SPEAK JUST ALL THE SAME MUMBO JUMBO.
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- SAME MUMBO JUMBO. I, JUST, I REPEL FROM IT
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- I, JUST, I REPEL FROM IT BECAUSE-- I RECOIL FROM IT
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- BECAUSE-- I RECOIL FROM IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE
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- BECAUSE THAT'S THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT GOD DID
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- ANTITHESIS OF WHAT GOD DID WHEN HE CREATED US.
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- WHEN HE CREATED US. IT'S SO-- I MEAN, HE WENT
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- IT'S SO-- I MEAN, HE WENT THROUGH SO MUCH TROUBLE.
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- THROUGH SO MUCH TROUBLE. SNOWFLAKES HAVE A
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- SNOWFLAKES HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DNA,
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- COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DNA, MILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND
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- MILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS, AND WE DO TOO,
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- BILLIONS, AND WE DO TOO, AND THEN THE WORLD TRIES
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- AND THEN THE WORLD TRIES TO MAKE US ALL THE SAME,
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- TO MAKE US ALL THE SAME, AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT'S
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- AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO WHY I LEFT COLLEGE.
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- I WENT TO A CHRISTIAN
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- I WENT TO A CHRISTIAN COLLEGE, AND I LEFT 'CAUSE
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- COLLEGE, AND I LEFT 'CAUSE I KNEW I WAS DIFFERENT,
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- I KNEW I WAS DIFFERENT, AND I SAID, "THEY SHOULD
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- AND I SAID, "THEY SHOULD NOT MESS WITH MY DIFFERENCE."
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- NOT MESS WITH MY DIFFERENCE." GOD IS NOT PLEASED WHEN
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- GOD IS NOT PLEASED WHEN WE MESS WITH PEOPLE'S
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- WE MESS WITH PEOPLE'S DIFFERENCES.
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- WE'RE OFFENDING HIM.
- 00:22:50.416 --> 00:22:51.818
- WE'RE OFFENDING HIM. "WAIT A MINUTE.
- 00:22:51.884 --> 00:22:52.552
- "WAIT A MINUTE. I MADE ERIC TO BE A SMART BUTT."
- 00:22:52.618 --> 00:22:54.487
- I MADE ERIC TO BE A SMART BUTT." YOU KNOW, TO ACT THAT WAY.
- 00:22:54.554 --> 00:22:56.522
- YOU KNOW, TO ACT THAT WAY. HE CAN WORK ON--
- 00:22:56.589 --> 00:22:57.990
- HE CAN WORK ON-- - ERIC: WAS THAT A COMPLIMENT
- 00:22:58.057 --> 00:22:58.624
- - ERIC: WAS THAT A COMPLIMENT OR--
- 00:22:58.691 --> 00:23:00.126
- OR-- WHAT WAS THAT?
- 00:23:00.193 --> 00:23:00.560
- WHAT WAS THAT? [LAUGHTER]
- 00:23:00.626 --> 00:23:01.060
- [LAUGHTER] - KATHIE LEE: "HE CAN WORK
- 00:23:01.127 --> 00:23:01.894
- - KATHIE LEE: "HE CAN WORK ON SOME OF IT.
- 00:23:01.961 --> 00:23:02.395
- ON SOME OF IT. WE'LL WORK TOGETHER."
- 00:23:02.462 --> 00:23:03.396
- WE'LL WORK TOGETHER." BUT OUR IDIOSYNCRASIES AND OUR
- 00:23:03.463 --> 00:23:04.630
- BUT OUR IDIOSYNCRASIES AND OUR "PICADILLOS" AND ALL THOSE
- 00:23:04.697 --> 00:23:05.765
- "PICADILLOS" AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE WHAT
- 00:23:05.832 --> 00:23:06.566
- KINDS OF THINGS ARE WHAT MAKE US UNIQUE AND WHO
- 00:23:06.632 --> 00:23:07.099
- MAKE US UNIQUE AND WHO WE ARE.
- 00:23:07.166 --> 00:23:07.834
- WE ARE. - ERIC: "PECCADILLOS."
- 00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:08.701
- - ERIC: "PECCADILLOS." SINCE YOU'RE CHALLENGING
- 00:23:08.768 --> 00:23:09.535
- SINCE YOU'RE CHALLENGING ME NOW TO CORRECT YOU WHEN
- 00:23:09.602 --> 00:23:10.236
- ME NOW TO CORRECT YOU WHEN YOU--
- 00:23:10.303 --> 00:23:11.103
- YOU-- - KATHIE LEE: PICADILLOS,
- 00:23:11.170 --> 00:23:11.737
- - KATHIE LEE: PICADILLOS, PECCA--
- 00:23:11.804 --> 00:23:12.438
- PECCA-- - ERIC: PECCADILLOS.
- 00:23:12.505 --> 00:23:13.005
- - ERIC: PECCADILLOS. [KATHIE LEE SINGING]
- 00:23:13.072 --> 00:23:13.439
- [KATHIE LEE SINGING] PICK A LITTLE,
- 00:23:13.506 --> 00:23:13.806
- PICK A LITTLE, PECK A LITTLE,
- 00:23:13.873 --> 00:23:14.173
- PECK A LITTLE, PICK A LITTLE,
- 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:14.540
- PICK A LITTLE, PICK, PICK, PICK,
- 00:23:14.607 --> 00:23:14.974
- PICK, PICK, PICK, PICK A LOT,
- 00:23:15.041 --> 00:23:15.341
- PICK A LOT, PICK A LITTLE, LITTLE--
- 00:23:15.408 --> 00:23:15.842
- PICK A LITTLE, LITTLE-- - ERIC: I KNEW YOU'D
- 00:23:15.908 --> 00:23:16.375
- - ERIC: I KNEW YOU'D SING EVENTUALLY.
- 00:23:16.442 --> 00:23:16.876
- SING EVENTUALLY. - KATHIE LEE: UH-HUH.
- 00:23:16.943 --> 00:23:17.543
- - KATHIE LEE: UH-HUH. - ERIC: FOLKS, THE BOOK IS
- 00:23:17.610 --> 00:23:18.144
- - ERIC: FOLKS, THE BOOK IS "THE JESUS I KNOW."
- 00:23:18.211 --> 00:23:18.811
- "THE JESUS I KNOW." THE AUTHOR IS
- 00:23:18.878 --> 00:23:19.545
- THE AUTHOR IS KATHIE LEE GIFFORD.
- 00:23:19.612 --> 00:23:20.413
- KATHIE LEE GIFFORD. KATHIE, THANK YOU.
- 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:21.414
- KATHIE, THANK YOU. - KATHIE LEE: MY
- 00:23:21.481 --> 00:23:22.648
- - KATHIE LEE: MY PLEASURE, OLD FRIEND.
- 00:23:22.715 --> 00:23:23.149
- PLEASURE, OLD FRIEND. GREAT TO SEE YOU.
- 00:23:23.216 --> 00:23:23.950
- GREAT TO SEE YOU. [MUSIC]
- 00:23:24.016 --> 00:23:28.154
- [MUSIC] [POPPING SOUND]
- 00:23:28.221 --> 00:23:34.494
- [POPPING SOUND] ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
- 00:23:34.560 --> 00:23:35.661
- ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪ ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
- 00:23:35.728 --> 00:23:36.696
- ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪ ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
- 00:23:36.762 --> 00:23:37.663
- ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪ ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
- 00:23:37.730 --> 00:23:42.001
- ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪ ♪ I'M GONNA ♪
- 00:23:42.068 --> 00:23:48.975
- ♪ I'M GONNA ♪ ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
- 00:23:49.041 --> 00:23:49.642
- ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪ ♪ I'M GONNA ♪
- 00:23:49.709 --> 00:23:55.214
- ♪ I'M GONNA ♪ ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
- 00:23:55.281 --> 00:23:56.482
- ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪ ♪ I'M GONNA ♪
- 00:23:56.549 --> 00:23:59.218
- ♪ I'M GONNA ♪ [BEATING SOUND]
- 00:23:59.285 --> 00:24:00.000
