Have you ever replayed an offense over and over in your mind? Ruminating on an argument can make us angry all over again. What if; we choose forgiveness instead? Extending God's grace to others is the doorway to true healing and freedom. | TBN Prayer Line: 714-731-1000
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Better Together | Better Together - Episode 519 | January 14, 2022
- - LISA HARPER: HAS YOUR MIND
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- - LISA HARPER: HAS YOUR MIND EVER CIRCLED THE DRAIN OVER AND
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- EVER CIRCLED THE DRAIN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHEN YOU
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- OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHEN YOU WERE OFFENDED, WHEN SOMEONE
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- WERE OFFENDED, WHEN SOMEONE ELSE OFFENDED YOU, WHEN THEY
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- ELSE OFFENDED YOU, WHEN THEY HURT YOU, MAYBE GOSSIPED ABOUT
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- HURT YOU, MAYBE GOSSIPED ABOUT YOU?
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- YOU? WE OFTEN REPLAY NEGATIVITY AND
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- WE OFTEN REPLAY NEGATIVITY AND GET ANGRY ALL OVER AGAIN.
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- GET ANGRY ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT WHAT IF, INSTEAD OF
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- BUT WHAT IF, INSTEAD OF CIRCLING THE DRAIN, WE CHOSE
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- CIRCLING THE DRAIN, WE CHOSE FORGIVENESS, EXTENDING THE SAME
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- FORGIVENESS, EXTENDING THE SAME GRACE OUR CREATOR REDEEMER HAS
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- GRACE OUR CREATOR REDEEMER HAS SHOWED US?
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- SHOWED US? THAT CAN LEAD TO HEALING,
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- THAT CAN LEAD TO HEALING, AND FREEDOM,
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- AND FREEDOM, AND A REALLY RENEWED MIND.
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- AND A REALLY RENEWED MIND. COME ON -- LET'S TALK ABOUT
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- COME ON -- LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
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- THIS. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] - ALEX SEELEY: I WAS REMINDED
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- - ALEX SEELEY: I WAS REMINDED OF A SEASON OF NOT BEING ABLE
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- OF A SEASON OF NOT BEING ABLE TO FORGET WHEN I THOUGHT I'D
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- TO FORGET WHEN I THOUGHT I'D FORGIVEN...
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- FORGIVEN... - DR. DEEDEE FREEMAN:
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- - DR. DEEDEE FREEMAN: WOW...WOW.
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- WOW...WOW. - ALEX: ...WHICH, I DON'T
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- - ALEX: ...WHICH, I DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE IS TRUE
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- ACTUALLY BELIEVE IS TRUE FORGIVENESS.
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- FORGIVENESS. BECAUSE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU
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- BECAUSE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE
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- SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE AMNESIA AND FORGET WHAT
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- AMNESIA AND FORGET WHAT HAPPENED, BUT ALLOW THE STING
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- HAPPENED, BUT ALLOW THE STING AND THE PAIN OF THAT OFFENSE TO
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- AND THE PAIN OF THAT OFFENSE TO BE FORGOTTEN.
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- BE FORGOTTEN. AND, I REMEMBER, ACTUALLY,
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- AND, I REMEMBER, ACTUALLY, HAVING R.T. KENDALL COME TO OUR
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- HAVING R.T. KENDALL COME TO OUR CHURCH AND HE SPOKE ON THE LIFE
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- CHURCH AND HE SPOKE ON THE LIFE OF JOSEPH.
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- OF JOSEPH. AND HE TITLED HIS MESSAGE,
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- AND HE TITLED HIS MESSAGE, "WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TRULY
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- "WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TRULY FORGIVEN."
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- FORGIVEN." AND HE WENT THROUGH ALL THE
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- AND HE WENT THROUGH ALL THE LIST TO ASK US, "HAVE YOU TRULY
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- LIST TO ASK US, "HAVE YOU TRULY FORGIVEN, IF...?"
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- FORGIVEN, IF...?" AND HE WOULD GIVE SCENARIOS.
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- AND HE WOULD GIVE SCENARIOS. AND, IT LITERALLY JUST BROUGHT
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- AND, IT LITERALLY JUST BROUGHT UP SO MUCH IN MY HEART.
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- UP SO MUCH IN MY HEART. BECAUSE I THOUGHT: WOW.
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- BECAUSE I THOUGHT: WOW. I HAVEN'T TRULY FORGIVEN,
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- I HAVEN'T TRULY FORGIVEN, BECAUSE I KEEP REPEATING THE
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- BECAUSE I KEEP REPEATING THE STORY.
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- STORY. AND, I THOUGHT: OH, I'M GUILTY
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- AND, I THOUGHT: OH, I'M GUILTY AS CHARGED.
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- AS CHARGED. BECAUSE I KEEP SPEAKING ABOUT
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- BECAUSE I KEEP SPEAKING ABOUT THE OFFENSE, EVEN THOUGH I FEEL
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- THE OFFENSE, EVEN THOUGH I FEEL LIKE I HAVE FORGIVEN.
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- LIKE I HAVE FORGIVEN. AND I FELT THAT THE LORD SAID:
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- AND I FELT THAT THE LORD SAID: WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LET IT
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- WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LET IT GO?
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- GO? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY
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- WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY FORGIVE?
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- FORGIVE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT YOURSELF
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- BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT YOURSELF AGAINST JESUS AS YOUR MEASURING
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- AGAINST JESUS AS YOUR MEASURING STICK...
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- STICK... - DONNA PISANI: WOW...RIGHT?
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- - DONNA PISANI: WOW...RIGHT? - LISA: MM-HMM.
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- - LISA: MM-HMM. - ALEX: AND YOU CAN LOOK AT
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- - ALEX: AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE JUSTIFICATIONS OF WHY
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- ALL THE JUSTIFICATIONS OF WHY YOU CAN STILL KEEP TALKING
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- YOU CAN STILL KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
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- ABOUT IT. AND THEN, YOU LOOK AT JESUS,
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- AND THEN, YOU LOOK AT JESUS, WHO WAS PERFECT, PURE, HOLY,
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- WHO WAS PERFECT, PURE, HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, INNOCENT, AND HE'S
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- RIGHTEOUS, INNOCENT, AND HE'S ON A CROSS MID-CRUCIFIXION, AND
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- ON A CROSS MID-CRUCIFIXION, AND HE'S LOOKING DOWN UPON THOSE
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- HE'S LOOKING DOWN UPON THOSE THAT HAVE BROUGHT HIM THERE.
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- THAT HAVE BROUGHT HIM THERE. AND HE'S LIKE: "FATHER, FORGIVE
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- AND HE'S LIKE: "FATHER, FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT
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- THEM, FOR THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING."
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- THEY'RE DOING." IT'S THE SCENE I ALWAYS GO TO,
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- IT'S THE SCENE I ALWAYS GO TO, IF I COULD REALLY TRULY SAY...
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- IF I COULD REALLY TRULY SAY... IN THE MIDST OF MY PAIN, IN
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- IN THE MIDST OF MY PAIN, IN THE MIDST OF MY...YOU KNOW,
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- THE MIDST OF MY...YOU KNOW, ANGUISH -- CAN I TRULY SAY,
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- ANGUISH -- CAN I TRULY SAY, "FATHER, I'VE FORGIVEN THEM,
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- "FATHER, I'VE FORGIVEN THEM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT
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- BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING"?
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- THEY'RE DOING"? AND, THERE WAS JUST SOMETHING
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- AND, THERE WAS JUST SOMETHING IN ME THAT WAS STILL HOLDING
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- IN ME THAT WAS STILL HOLDING ONTO A JUSTIFICATION.
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- ONTO A JUSTIFICATION. IF I STILL WANT TO BE JUSTIFIED
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- IF I STILL WANT TO BE JUSTIFIED THAT WHAT THEY DID TO ME WAS
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- THAT WHAT THEY DID TO ME WAS WRONG, THAT I WAS THE ONE
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- WRONG, THAT I WAS THE ONE GETTING SICKER.
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- GETTING SICKER. THEY WERE LIVING THEIR LIFE.
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- THEY WERE LIVING THEIR LIFE. - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT.
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- - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT. - ROBYN WILKERSON: RIGHT.
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- - ROBYN WILKERSON: RIGHT. - ALEX: AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S
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- - ALEX: AND I'M THE ONE THAT'S SICK, AND THEN, I'M THE ONE
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- SICK, AND THEN, I'M THE ONE POISONING THEIR REPUTATION TO
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- POISONING THEIR REPUTATION TO OTHERS, AND NOW, CAUSING AN
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- OTHERS, AND NOW, CAUSING AN INFECTION THAT THE LORD IS
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- INFECTION THAT THE LORD IS SAYING: THEY'RE MY CHILDREN,
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- SAYING: THEY'RE MY CHILDREN, JUST LIKE YOU.
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- JUST LIKE YOU. AND, ALEX, HAVE YOU EVER DONE
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- AND, ALEX, HAVE YOU EVER DONE ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE THAT
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- ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE THAT YOU'VE NEEDED FORGIVENESS FROM?
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- YOU'VE NEEDED FORGIVENESS FROM? AND I'M LIKE: "YES..."
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- AND I'M LIKE: "YES..." AND HE GOES: SO, THE FACT THAT
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- AND HE GOES: SO, THE FACT THAT YOU EXPECT THAT GRACE TO BE
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- YOU EXPECT THAT GRACE TO BE AFFORDED TO YOU...THEN, WHY
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- AFFORDED TO YOU...THEN, WHY CAN'T YOU, NOW, AFFORD THAT
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- CAN'T YOU, NOW, AFFORD THAT GRACE OF FORGIVING AND LETTING
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- GRACE OF FORGIVING AND LETTING IT GO?
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- IT GO? LIKE, LET IT GO.
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- LIKE, LET IT GO. AND I REALIZE: YEAH.
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- AND I REALIZE: YEAH. HERE I AM, HOLDING TO A
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- HERE I AM, HOLDING TO A STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE TO BE
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- STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE TO BE IN PENANCE FOR THAT, BECAUSE OF
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- IN PENANCE FOR THAT, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR ME.
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- WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR ME. YET, I'VE HURT PEOPLE.
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- YET, I'VE HURT PEOPLE. I DON'T HAVE A PERFECT TRACK
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- I DON'T HAVE A PERFECT TRACK RECORD LIKE JESUS.
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- RECORD LIKE JESUS. - LISA: RIGHT.
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- - LISA: RIGHT. - ALEX: AND YET, I EXPECT THAT
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- - ALEX: AND YET, I EXPECT THAT SAME GRACE AND FORGIVENESS
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- SAME GRACE AND FORGIVENESS AFFORDED TO ME.
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- AFFORDED TO ME. SO, I THINK TODAY I REALLY
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- SO, I THINK TODAY I REALLY WANNA UNPACK: HOW DO WE FORGET?
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- WANNA UNPACK: HOW DO WE FORGET? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE
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- BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE VIEWERS RIGHT NOW THAT WERE
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- VIEWERS RIGHT NOW THAT WERE INNOCENT -- LIKE YOU, DONNA --
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- INNOCENT -- LIKE YOU, DONNA -- WHO WERE ABUSED.
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- WHO WERE ABUSED. YOU WERE AN INNOCENT PERSON
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- YOU WERE AN INNOCENT PERSON ABUSED, AND THAT'S NOT YOUR
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- ABUSED, AND THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
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- FAULT. YOU DIDN'T BRING THAT UPON
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- YOU DIDN'T BRING THAT UPON YOURSELF.
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- YOURSELF. THAT IS AN ABUSER COMING TO
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- THAT IS AN ABUSER COMING TO DESTROY YOU.
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- DESTROY YOU. HOW DID YOU LEARN TO FORGET
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- HOW DID YOU LEARN TO FORGET THAT WHICH YOU NEEDED TO
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- THAT WHICH YOU NEEDED TO FORGIVE?
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- FORGIVE? - DONNA: IT'S SO POWERFUL WHEN
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- - DONNA: IT'S SO POWERFUL WHEN YOU THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN
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- YOU THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN FORGIVEN OF.
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- FORGIVEN OF. AND I THINK WHEN WE DETACH
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- AND I THINK WHEN WE DETACH OURSELVES FROM THE CROSS, THEN
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- OURSELVES FROM THE CROSS, THEN IT'S EASY TO HOLD ONTO IT.
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- IT'S EASY TO HOLD ONTO IT. SO, THE PICTURE THAT...THAT GOD
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- SO, THE PICTURE THAT...THAT GOD REALLY SPOKE TO ME SEVERAL
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- REALLY SPOKE TO ME SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS THIS: THAT WE
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- YEARS AGO WAS THIS: THAT WE DETERMINE THE DIFFERENCE
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- DETERMINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GARDEN AND A
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- BETWEEN A GARDEN AND A GRAVEYARD, MEANING THE ONLY
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- GRAVEYARD, MEANING THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GARDEN AND
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- DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GARDEN AND A GRAVEYARD IS WHAT YOU PUT IN
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- A GRAVEYARD IS WHAT YOU PUT IN THE GROUND.
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- THE GROUND. - ALEX: WOW.
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- - ALEX: WOW. - DR. DEEDEE: MM-HMM, MM-HMM.
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- - DR. DEEDEE: MM-HMM, MM-HMM. - DONNA: IT'S THE SAME SOIL.
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- - DONNA: IT'S THE SAME SOIL. - DR. DEEDEE: YEAH.
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- - DR. DEEDEE: YEAH. - DONNA: SO, IF I KEEP
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- - DONNA: SO, IF I KEEP REGURGITATING, IT'S LIKE I'M
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- REGURGITATING, IT'S LIKE I'M EATING ROADKILL.
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- EATING ROADKILL. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ROADKILL ON
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- HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ROADKILL ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD?
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- THE SIDE OF THE ROAD? NONE OF US WOULD EVER EAT THAT.
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- NONE OF US WOULD EVER EAT THAT. BUT WHEN I KEEP REGURGITATING
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- BUT WHEN I KEEP REGURGITATING THE PAIN, I'M EATING THAT AND
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- THE PAIN, I'M EATING THAT AND RELIVING IT IN MY MIND.
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- RELIVING IT IN MY MIND. SO, I WAS REMINDED OF WHEN
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- SO, I WAS REMINDED OF WHEN SOMEBODY CAME TO JESUS AND THEY
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- SOMEBODY CAME TO JESUS AND THEY SAID, "SHOULD WE FORGIVE
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- SAID, "SHOULD WE FORGIVE SOMEBODY SEVEN TIMES?"
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- SOMEBODY SEVEN TIMES?" 'CAUSE IT WAS THE LAW THEN --
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- 'CAUSE IT WAS THE LAW THEN -- FORGIVE SEVEN TIMES.
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- FORGIVE SEVEN TIMES. - DR. DEEDEE: SEVEN TIMES
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- - DR. DEEDEE: SEVEN TIMES SEVENTY.
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- SEVENTY. - DONNA: BUT, SEVEN TIMES
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- - DONNA: BUT, SEVEN TIMES SEVENTY, WHICH IS 490 TIMES --
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- SEVENTY, WHICH IS 490 TIMES -- THAT'S A LOT OF OFFENSES.
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- THAT'S A LOT OF OFFENSES. I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY SAY
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- I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY SAY THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN 490
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- THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN 490 OFFENSES, RIGHT?
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- OFFENSES, RIGHT? - ALEX: IN A WEEK.
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- - ALEX: IN A WEEK. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] - DONNA: ON FACEBOOK.
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- - DONNA: ON FACEBOOK. - DR. DEEDEE: ALMOST IN A
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- - DR. DEEDEE: ALMOST IN A DAY.
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- DAY. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] - DONNA: ON FACEBOOK, RIGHT?
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- - DONNA: ON FACEBOOK, RIGHT? I KNOW.
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- I KNOW. LET ME JUST SAY, MA'AM...
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- LET ME JUST SAY, MA'AM... BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
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- BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE, WE COULD SAY THAT.
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- LIKE, WE COULD SAY THAT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE
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- BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE ACCOUNT THAT IF WE'VE PUT A
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- ACCOUNT THAT IF WE'VE PUT A TALLY CARD ON OUR REFRIGERATOR
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- TALLY CARD ON OUR REFRIGERATOR AND WE'RE AT NUMBER 487, WE'RE
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- AND WE'RE AT NUMBER 487, WE'RE ALREADY IN TROUBLE.
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- ALREADY IN TROUBLE. - LISA: RIGHT.
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- - LISA: RIGHT. - DONNA: 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO BE
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- - DONNA: 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO...LIVE A LIFE.
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- ABLE TO...LIVE A LIFE. AND IT'S A DAILY-- I THINK IT'S
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- AND IT'S A DAILY-- I THINK IT'S A DAILY PRACTICE, A DAILY
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- A DAILY PRACTICE, A DAILY DISCIPLINE.
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- DISCIPLINE. - LISA: YEAH.
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- - LISA: YEAH. - DR. DEEDEE: I LIKE HOW YOU
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- - DR. DEEDEE: I LIKE HOW YOU TALKED ABOUT FORGIVENESS AND
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- TALKED ABOUT FORGIVENESS AND FORGETTING.
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- FORGETTING. BECAUSE, WE DON'T FORGET.
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- BECAUSE, WE DON'T FORGET. YOU KNOW?
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- YOU KNOW? I MEAN, LIKE, EVEN THOUGH GOD
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- I MEAN, LIKE, EVEN THOUGH GOD THROWS OUR SINS INTO THE DEPTHS
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- THROWS OUR SINS INTO THE DEPTHS OF THE SEA, HE STILL DOESN'T
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- OF THE SEA, HE STILL DOESN'T FORGET.
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- FORGET. HE KNOWS EXACTLY.
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- HE KNOWS EXACTLY. BECAUSE HOW WOULD WE BE TRIED
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- BECAUSE HOW WOULD WE BE TRIED AT THE END?
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- AT THE END? HE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA
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- HE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA COME BEFORE HIM, YOU KNOW, AND
- 00:06:26.411 --> 00:06:27.946
- COME BEFORE HIM, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS-- OUR WORKS ARE GONNA
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- THINGS-- OUR WORKS ARE GONNA BE TRIED.
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- BE TRIED. SO, IT'S LIKE: HE DOES NOT
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- SO, IT'S LIKE: HE DOES NOT FORGET, RIGHT?
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- FORGET, RIGHT? EVEN THE SCRIPTURE HERE -- IT'S
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- EVEN THE SCRIPTURE HERE -- IT'S PHILIPPIANS 3: 13-14.
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- PHILIPPIANS 3: 13-14. IT SAYS: "BROTHER, I DO NOT
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- IT SAYS: "BROTHER, I DO NOT CONSIDER THAT I HAVE MADE IT MY
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- CONSIDER THAT I HAVE MADE IT MY OWN.
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- OWN. BUT ONE THING I DO..."
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- BUT ONE THING I DO..." AS PAUL IS TALKING, HE SAYS,
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- AS PAUL IS TALKING, HE SAYS, "...I DO, FORGETTING..."
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- "...I DO, FORGETTING..." - ALEX: YES.
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- - ALEX: YES. - DR. DEEDEE: HE DIDN'T SAY,
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- - DR. DEEDEE: HE DIDN'T SAY, "I FORGOT."
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- "I FORGOT." - ALEX: YES.
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- - ALEX: YES. - DR. DEEDEE: IT'S A DAILY
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- - DR. DEEDEE: IT'S A DAILY PROCESS, RIGHT?
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- PROCESS, RIGHT? - ALEX: THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
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- - ALEX: THAT'S REALLY GOOD. - LISA: I WAS-- THERE WAS
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- - LISA: I WAS-- THERE WAS A LOT OF ABUSE IN MY BACKGROUND
- 00:06:58.910 --> 00:07:00.111
- A LOT OF ABUSE IN MY BACKGROUND -- SEXUAL MOLESTATION, WHEN I
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- -- SEXUAL MOLESTATION, WHEN I WAS A KID.
- 00:07:01.112 --> 00:07:01.646
- WAS A KID. AND, THE WAY I'VE BEST BEEN
- 00:07:01.713 --> 00:07:04.215
- AND, THE WAY I'VE BEST BEEN ABLE TO REMEMBER IT, 'CAUSE I'M
- 00:07:04.282 --> 00:07:05.283
- ABLE TO REMEMBER IT, 'CAUSE I'M NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE
- 00:07:05.350 --> 00:07:06.651
- NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED.
- 00:07:06.718 --> 00:07:07.485
- SHED. I HAVE TO HAVE WORD PICTURES TO
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- I HAVE TO HAVE WORD PICTURES TO HANG ONTO THE TRUTH.
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- HANG ONTO THE TRUTH. WE HAD A LITTLE THING BUILT
- 00:07:09.921 --> 00:07:12.423
- WE HAD A LITTLE THING BUILT RECENTLY WITH CONCRETE.
- 00:07:12.490 --> 00:07:15.860
- RECENTLY WITH CONCRETE. AND I WANTED MISSY -- MY
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- AND I WANTED MISSY -- MY DAUGHTER'S -- HANDPRINT AND THE
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- DAUGHTER'S -- HANDPRINT AND THE DATE.
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- DATE. I JUST THINK-- YOU KNOW, I
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- I JUST THINK-- YOU KNOW, I JUST LOVE GOING OUT THERE.
- 00:07:21.599 --> 00:07:24.002
- JUST LOVE GOING OUT THERE. IT'S JUST BY THE LITTLE GRILL.
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- IT'S JUST BY THE LITTLE GRILL. BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK
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- BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK HAPPENED TO MY HEART, AT SOME
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- HAPPENED TO MY HEART, AT SOME LEVEL, WAS WHEN I WAS MOLESTED
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- LEVEL, WAS WHEN I WAS MOLESTED AND ABUSED AS A KID, THERE'S A
- 00:07:27.171 --> 00:07:28.039
- AND ABUSED AS A KID, THERE'S A HANDPRINT MADE IN WET CEMENT.
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- HANDPRINT MADE IN WET CEMENT. NOW, GOD HAS HEALED ME OF...
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- NOW, GOD HAS HEALED ME OF... GOODNESS GRACIOUS...I DON'T...
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- GOODNESS GRACIOUS...I DON'T... I JUST DON'T....
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- I JUST DON'T.... THE TRAUMA IS SO LONG AGO THAT
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- THE TRAUMA IS SO LONG AGO THAT I'VE ALMOST FORGOTTEN.
- 00:07:38.850 --> 00:07:41.152
- I'VE ALMOST FORGOTTEN. BUT WHEN IT RAINS IN MY LIFE,
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- BUT WHEN IT RAINS IN MY LIFE, THAT HANDPRINT STILL HOLDS
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- THAT HANDPRINT STILL HOLDS WATER.
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- WATER. THAT'S THE MEMORY.
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- THAT'S THE MEMORY. IF I'M REALLY TIRED, IF I'M NOT
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- IF I'M REALLY TIRED, IF I'M NOT TAKING CARE OF MY BODY, IF I'M
- 00:07:49.994 --> 00:07:51.696
- TAKING CARE OF MY BODY, IF I'M NOT IN GOD'S WORD, IF I'M NOT
- 00:07:51.763 --> 00:07:54.332
- NOT IN GOD'S WORD, IF I'M NOT IN COMMUNITY, I MIGHT GET A
- 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:55.500
- IN COMMUNITY, I MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT OF WATER IN THAT
- 00:07:55.567 --> 00:07:57.769
- LITTLE BIT OF WATER IN THAT HANDPRINT.
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- HANDPRINT. BUT IT DOESN'T OWN ME ANYMORE.
- 00:07:58.970 --> 00:08:01.639
- BUT IT DOESN'T OWN ME ANYMORE. - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT, RIGHT.
- 00:08:01.706 --> 00:08:02.807
- - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT, RIGHT. - LISA: SO, IT'S JUST A-- IT'S
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- - LISA: SO, IT'S JUST A-- IT'S A SMELL OF AN OLD MEAL THAT WAS
- 00:08:04.509 --> 00:08:05.710
- A SMELL OF AN OLD MEAL THAT WAS POISONOUS, AND I HAVE TO GO:
- 00:08:05.777 --> 00:08:07.645
- POISONOUS, AND I HAVE TO GO: OH, THAT'S NOT WHO I AM
- 00:08:07.712 --> 00:08:09.247
- OH, THAT'S NOT WHO I AM ANYMORE.
- 00:08:09.314 --> 00:08:09.714
- ANYMORE. SO...I DO-- IT DOES ALWAYS BUG
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- SO...I DO-- IT DOES ALWAYS BUG ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN CHRISTIANS
- 00:08:12.083 --> 00:08:13.851
- ME, ESPECIALLY WHEN CHRISTIANS MAKE IT REAL RELIGIOUS:
- 00:08:13.918 --> 00:08:15.153
- MAKE IT REAL RELIGIOUS: [COMICAL IMPERSONATION]
- 00:08:15.219 --> 00:08:15.687
- [COMICAL IMPERSONATION] "WELL, IF YOU'VE TRULY FORGIVEN
- 00:08:15.753 --> 00:08:16.354
- "WELL, IF YOU'VE TRULY FORGIVEN 'EM..."
- 00:08:16.421 --> 00:08:17.121
- 'EM..." I'M LIKE: WELL, THEY DIDN'T GET
- 00:08:17.188 --> 00:08:17.989
- I'M LIKE: WELL, THEY DIDN'T GET A LOBOTOMY -- THEY JUST FORGAVE
- 00:08:18.056 --> 00:08:19.057
- A LOBOTOMY -- THEY JUST FORGAVE 'EM.
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- 'EM. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:08:20.091 --> 00:08:20.525
- [LAUGHTER] SO, YOU'RE GONNA REMEMBER THE
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- SO, YOU'RE GONNA REMEMBER THE INCIDENT.
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- INCIDENT. - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:08:22.660 --> 00:08:23.928
- - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT. - LISA: BUT YOU DON'T REMEMBER
- 00:08:23.995 --> 00:08:25.296
- - LISA: BUT YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE OFFENSE, AS TIME GOES ON
- 00:08:25.363 --> 00:08:26.097
- THE OFFENSE, AS TIME GOES ON AND WE GROW.
- 00:08:26.164 --> 00:08:26.798
- AND WE GROW. - ALEX: IT'S THE STING.
- 00:08:26.864 --> 00:08:27.532
- - ALEX: IT'S THE STING. A TOUCH.
- 00:08:27.599 --> 00:08:28.833
- A TOUCH. I WAS LISTENING TO, ACTUALLY,
- 00:08:28.900 --> 00:08:29.901
- I WAS LISTENING TO, ACTUALLY, DR. TIM KELLER THE OTHER DAY,
- 00:08:29.968 --> 00:08:30.969
- DR. TIM KELLER THE OTHER DAY, AND HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT
- 00:08:31.035 --> 00:08:31.903
- AND HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WHEN A MOTHER GIVES BIRTH, SHE
- 00:08:31.970 --> 00:08:33.671
- WHEN A MOTHER GIVES BIRTH, SHE REMEMBERS NOT THE PAIN.
- 00:08:33.738 --> 00:08:37.508
- REMEMBERS NOT THE PAIN. NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN SHE JUST
- 00:08:37.575 --> 00:08:38.343
- NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN SHE JUST FORGOT...
- 00:08:38.409 --> 00:08:39.611
- FORGOT... - LISA: RIGHT...RIGHT.
- 00:08:39.677 --> 00:08:40.144
- - LISA: RIGHT...RIGHT. - ALEX: 'CAUSE, I REMEMBER
- 00:08:40.211 --> 00:08:42.280
- - ALEX: 'CAUSE, I REMEMBER NEARLY DYING, AND THAT PAIN WAS
- 00:08:42.347 --> 00:08:44.415
- NEARLY DYING, AND THAT PAIN WAS REAL.
- 00:08:44.482 --> 00:08:45.516
- REAL. BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE'S
- 00:08:45.583 --> 00:08:46.985
- BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE'S LOOKING AT, THE LOVE OVERWHELMS
- 00:08:47.051 --> 00:08:49.587
- LOOKING AT, THE LOVE OVERWHELMS WHAT SHE JUST WENT THROUGH, AND
- 00:08:49.654 --> 00:08:51.823
- WHAT SHE JUST WENT THROUGH, AND SHE REMEMBERS NOT.
- 00:08:51.889 --> 00:08:53.825
- SHE REMEMBERS NOT. - DR. DEEDEE: AND SHE'LL GO
- 00:08:53.891 --> 00:08:54.425
- - DR. DEEDEE: AND SHE'LL GO RIGHT BACK AT IT, AGAIN.
- 00:08:54.492 --> 00:08:56.561
- RIGHT BACK AT IT, AGAIN. - ALEX: RIGHT? YEAH.
- 00:08:56.628 --> 00:08:57.261
- - ALEX: RIGHT? YEAH. 'CAUSE SHE GOES RIGHT BACK AT
- 00:08:57.328 --> 00:08:58.296
- 'CAUSE SHE GOES RIGHT BACK AT IT, AGAIN.
- 00:08:58.363 --> 00:08:58.763
- IT, AGAIN. AND HE WAS SAYING IT'S NOT LIKE
- 00:08:58.830 --> 00:09:00.298
- AND HE WAS SAYING IT'S NOT LIKE GOD EVER FORGETS OUR SIN WHEN
- 00:09:00.365 --> 00:09:02.533
- GOD EVER FORGETS OUR SIN WHEN HE LOOKS AT US FOR THE JOY THAT
- 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.203
- HE LOOKS AT US FOR THE JOY THAT WAS SET BEFORE HIM.
- 00:09:05.269 --> 00:09:06.671
- WAS SET BEFORE HIM. THE LOVE IS SO OVERWHELMED, BUT
- 00:09:06.738 --> 00:09:09.073
- THE LOVE IS SO OVERWHELMED, BUT HE REMEMBERS NOT.
- 00:09:09.140 --> 00:09:11.175
- HE REMEMBERS NOT. HE CHOOSES NOT TO FOCUS ON OUR
- 00:09:11.242 --> 00:09:12.510
- HE CHOOSES NOT TO FOCUS ON OUR SIN AGAINST HIM.
- 00:09:12.577 --> 00:09:15.747
- SIN AGAINST HIM. AND, IN FACT, I THINK WE USE
- 00:09:15.813 --> 00:09:17.181
- AND, IN FACT, I THINK WE USE THE WRONG WORD WHEN WE TALK
- 00:09:17.248 --> 00:09:19.550
- THE WRONG WORD WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FORGIVENESS, BECAUSE IT
- 00:09:19.617 --> 00:09:20.652
- ABOUT FORGIVENESS, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE "FORGIVINGNESS."
- 00:09:20.718 --> 00:09:21.886
- SHOULD BE "FORGIVINGNESS." BECAUSE IT'S A DAILY THING.
- 00:09:21.953 --> 00:09:23.821
- BECAUSE IT'S A DAILY THING. BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY TYPE IT
- 00:09:23.888 --> 00:09:25.390
- BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY TYPE IT IN YOUR COMPUTER, IT WILL SHOW
- 00:09:25.456 --> 00:09:27.725
- IN YOUR COMPUTER, IT WILL SHOW THAT IT'S AN ERROR.
- 00:09:27.792 --> 00:09:29.527
- THAT IT'S AN ERROR. IT'S AN ACTIVE VERB.
- 00:09:29.594 --> 00:09:31.095
- IT'S AN ACTIVE VERB. AND IT'S FORGIVINGNESS.
- 00:09:31.162 --> 00:09:32.997
- AND IT'S FORGIVINGNESS. MY HUSBAND DOES THIS WHOLE
- 00:09:33.064 --> 00:09:34.032
- MY HUSBAND DOES THIS WHOLE SERMON ON IT.
- 00:09:34.098 --> 00:09:35.700
- SERMON ON IT. AND IT'S SO CONVICTING, BECAUSE
- 00:09:35.767 --> 00:09:36.834
- AND IT'S SO CONVICTING, BECAUSE IT'S A DAILY PRACTICE.
- 00:09:36.901 --> 00:09:37.735
- IT'S A DAILY PRACTICE. AND THAT'S WHAT HELPS YOU
- 00:09:37.802 --> 00:09:39.103
- AND THAT'S WHAT HELPS YOU FORGET NO MORE.
- 00:09:39.170 --> 00:09:42.306
- FORGET NO MORE. AND I THINK, LIKE, MY MUM AND I
- 00:09:42.373 --> 00:09:42.974
- AND I THINK, LIKE, MY MUM AND I -- WE WENT THROUGH SUCH THIS
- 00:09:43.041 --> 00:09:43.608
- -- WE WENT THROUGH SUCH THIS SEASON OF OUR LIVES WHERE
- 00:09:43.675 --> 00:09:45.677
- SEASON OF OUR LIVES WHERE I REALLY COULDN'T FORGIVE
- 00:09:45.743 --> 00:09:48.312
- I REALLY COULDN'T FORGIVE AND FORGIVE THAT WHICH WAS
- 00:09:48.379 --> 00:09:49.414
- AND FORGIVE THAT WHICH WAS DONE, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS
- 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:50.682
- DONE, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS BROKEN, SHE LOVED ME, AND ALL
- 00:09:50.748 --> 00:09:52.016
- BROKEN, SHE LOVED ME, AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
- 00:09:52.083 --> 00:09:52.717
- THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. IT WAS SUCH THAT HANDPRINT THAT
- 00:09:52.784 --> 00:09:55.553
- IT WAS SUCH THAT HANDPRINT THAT JUST WOULD COLLECT WATER.
- 00:09:55.620 --> 00:09:58.489
- JUST WOULD COLLECT WATER. MAN, THAT WAS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL
- 00:09:58.556 --> 00:09:59.190
- MAN, THAT WAS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE.
- 00:09:59.257 --> 00:10:00.158
- PICTURE. BUT, NOW -- I'M, NOW
- 00:10:00.224 --> 00:10:00.625
- BUT, NOW -- I'M, NOW 20, 30 YEARS OUT OF THAT.
- 00:10:00.692 --> 00:10:03.127
- 20, 30 YEARS OUT OF THAT. AND I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER
- 00:10:03.194 --> 00:10:05.096
- AND I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THE...THE POTENCY OF THAT PAIN,
- 00:10:05.163 --> 00:10:08.232
- THE...THE POTENCY OF THAT PAIN, ANYMORE.
- 00:10:08.299 --> 00:10:09.600
- ANYMORE. - ROBYN: FOR ME, IT'S A LIFE
- 00:10:09.667 --> 00:10:11.803
- - ROBYN: FOR ME, IT'S A LIFE HACK THAT I CARRY EVERY DAY,
- 00:10:11.869 --> 00:10:15.139
- HACK THAT I CARRY EVERY DAY, AND THAT IS, NOTHING HAPPENS TO
- 00:10:15.206 --> 00:10:17.275
- AND THAT IS, NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME; IT ONLY HAPPENS FOR ME.
- 00:10:17.341 --> 00:10:23.214
- ME; IT ONLY HAPPENS FOR ME. BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS IN
- 00:10:23.281 --> 00:10:23.781
- BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS IN ROMANS THAT ALL THINGS WORK
- 00:10:23.848 --> 00:10:26.651
- ROMANS THAT ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD, RIGHT?
- 00:10:26.718 --> 00:10:29.954
- TOGETHER FOR GOOD, RIGHT? ALL THINGS.
- 00:10:30.021 --> 00:10:31.956
- ALL THINGS. THAT'S VERY HARD.
- 00:10:32.023 --> 00:10:35.093
- THAT'S VERY HARD. WE, AS HUMANS -- WE HAVE A HARD
- 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:36.260
- WE, AS HUMANS -- WE HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT.
- 00:10:36.327 --> 00:10:37.428
- TIME WITH THAT. JOYCE MEYER, OUR FRIEND -- SHE
- 00:10:37.495 --> 00:10:39.097
- JOYCE MEYER, OUR FRIEND -- SHE TALKS ABOUT BEING RAPED BY HER
- 00:10:39.163 --> 00:10:42.533
- TALKS ABOUT BEING RAPED BY HER FATHER -- FOR THE VIEWERS THAT
- 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.902
- FATHER -- FOR THE VIEWERS THAT ARE LISTENING -- MORE THAN 200
- 00:10:44.969 --> 00:10:45.770
- ARE LISTENING -- MORE THAN 200 TIMES.
- 00:10:45.837 --> 00:10:48.539
- TIMES. AND, IF A VIEWER'S LISTENING
- 00:10:48.606 --> 00:10:49.907
- AND, IF A VIEWER'S LISTENING AND THEY DON'T KNOW HER
- 00:10:49.974 --> 00:10:50.808
- AND THEY DON'T KNOW HER MINISTRY, SHE HAS WORKED AROUND
- 00:10:50.875 --> 00:10:55.513
- MINISTRY, SHE HAS WORKED AROUND THE WORLD, HELPING MILLIONS OF
- 00:10:55.580 --> 00:10:56.114
- THE WORLD, HELPING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE...
- 00:10:56.180 --> 00:10:58.316
- PEOPLE... - LISA: HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
- 00:10:58.382 --> 00:10:59.016
- - LISA: HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS HAVE COME TO CHRIST THROUGH HER.
- 00:10:59.083 --> 00:11:00.284
- HAVE COME TO CHRIST THROUGH HER. - ROBYN: AND SHE TEACHES FROM
- 00:11:00.351 --> 00:11:01.352
- - ROBYN: AND SHE TEACHES FROM THE SCRIPTURE, NOW, FOR
- 00:11:01.419 --> 00:11:01.886
- THE SCRIPTURE, NOW, FOR DECADES.
- 00:11:01.953 --> 00:11:02.520
- DECADES. AND SHE'S HELPED MILLIONS OF
- 00:11:02.587 --> 00:11:03.321
- AND SHE'S HELPED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO FIND CHRIST AND LOVE
- 00:11:03.387 --> 00:11:05.056
- PEOPLE TO FIND CHRIST AND LOVE THE LORD AND LEARN TO LOVE
- 00:11:05.123 --> 00:11:06.424
- THE LORD AND LEARN TO LOVE LIFE!
- 00:11:06.491 --> 00:11:07.959
- LIFE! AND SHE COMES OUT OF A BROKEN
- 00:11:08.025 --> 00:11:10.762
- AND SHE COMES OUT OF A BROKEN BACKGROUND TO SAY -- AND HERE'S
- 00:11:10.828 --> 00:11:12.997
- BACKGROUND TO SAY -- AND HERE'S WHAT SHE SAYS: "NOW, LISTEN,
- 00:11:13.064 --> 00:11:14.398
- WHAT SHE SAYS: "NOW, LISTEN, I WOULDN'T TRADE THAT
- 00:11:14.465 --> 00:11:20.805
- I WOULDN'T TRADE THAT EXPERIENCE...BECAUSE I WOULDN'T
- 00:11:20.872 --> 00:11:21.472
- EXPERIENCE...BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE WHO I AM."
- 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:22.740
- BE WHO I AM." - ALEX: WOW
- 00:11:22.807 --> 00:11:23.474
- - ALEX: WOW - ROBYN: WHAT?
- 00:11:23.541 --> 00:11:24.242
- - ROBYN: WHAT? - ALEX: WOW.
- 00:11:24.308 --> 00:11:25.610
- - ALEX: WOW. - ROBYN: "BECAUSE NOTHING"--
- 00:11:25.676 --> 00:11:26.711
- - ROBYN: "BECAUSE NOTHING"-- MAKES YOU WANNA CRY.
- 00:11:26.778 --> 00:11:27.979
- MAKES YOU WANNA CRY. "BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME;
- 00:11:28.045 --> 00:11:30.915
- "BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME; IT ONLY HAPPENS FOR ME."
- 00:11:30.982 --> 00:11:32.984
- IT ONLY HAPPENS FOR ME." MAKES ME THINK ABOUT
- 00:11:33.050 --> 00:11:33.751
- MAKES ME THINK ABOUT CORRIE TEN BOOM, RIGHT?
- 00:11:33.818 --> 00:11:35.887
- CORRIE TEN BOOM, RIGHT? - ALEX: RIGHT, YEAH...
- 00:11:35.953 --> 00:11:37.155
- - ALEX: RIGHT, YEAH... - ROBYN: THE HOLOCAUST AND HOW
- 00:11:37.221 --> 00:11:38.790
- - ROBYN: THE HOLOCAUST AND HOW SHE WENT TO THE CONCENTRATION
- 00:11:38.856 --> 00:11:42.293
- SHE WENT TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMP, AND HER SISTER DIES,
- 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:42.860
- CAMP, AND HER SISTER DIES, AND HER FATHER DIES,
- 00:11:42.927 --> 00:11:44.762
- AND HER FATHER DIES, AND THEY WERE
- 00:11:44.829 --> 00:11:45.496
- AND THEY WERE TRYING TO HELP RESCUE JEWS...
- 00:11:45.563 --> 00:11:50.001
- TRYING TO HELP RESCUE JEWS... AND SHE GIVES-- HER FAMILY
- 00:11:50.067 --> 00:11:51.636
- AND SHE GIVES-- HER FAMILY GIVES THEIR LIFE.
- 00:11:51.702 --> 00:11:53.004
- GIVES THEIR LIFE. MY POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS
- 00:11:53.070 --> 00:11:54.872
- MY POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS FORGIVENESS IS THAT YOU CHANGE
- 00:11:54.939 --> 00:11:56.073
- FORGIVENESS IS THAT YOU CHANGE THE MEMORY AND YOU SWITCH...
- 00:11:56.140 --> 00:12:00.144
- THE MEMORY AND YOU SWITCH... - ALEX: SO GOOD...SO GOOD.
- 00:12:00.211 --> 00:12:02.280
- - ALEX: SO GOOD...SO GOOD. - ROBYN: ...TO SAY IT IS
- 00:12:02.346 --> 00:12:03.214
- - ROBYN: ...TO SAY IT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN I
- 00:12:03.281 --> 00:12:04.415
- SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN I REMEMBER IT TO BE.
- 00:12:04.482 --> 00:12:06.184
- REMEMBER IT TO BE. - ALEX: THAT'S AWESOME.
- 00:12:06.250 --> 00:12:06.951
- - ALEX: THAT'S AWESOME. - ROBYN: AND SO, THE IDEA
- 00:12:07.018 --> 00:12:07.785
- - ROBYN: AND SO, THE IDEA THERE IS THAT WHEN YOU FORGIVE
- 00:12:07.852 --> 00:12:09.554
- THERE IS THAT WHEN YOU FORGIVE SOMEONE, YOU'RE REALLY
- 00:12:09.620 --> 00:12:10.555
- SOMEONE, YOU'RE REALLY FORGIVING YOURSELF.
- 00:12:10.621 --> 00:12:11.389
- FORGIVING YOURSELF. BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING
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- BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT
- 00:12:12.824 --> 00:12:14.725
- AT THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS.
- 00:12:14.792 --> 00:12:15.626
- LENS. YOU'RE REFRAMING THAT.
- 00:12:15.693 --> 00:12:17.295
- YOU'RE REFRAMING THAT. AND, WITH THAT POWER, YOU'RE
- 00:12:17.361 --> 00:12:19.997
- AND, WITH THAT POWER, YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE THAT PAIN OUT OF
- 00:12:20.064 --> 00:12:20.932
- ABLE TO TAKE THAT PAIN OUT OF THAT.
- 00:12:20.998 --> 00:12:22.834
- THAT. - ALEX: VERY GOOD.
- 00:12:22.900 --> 00:12:23.601
- - ALEX: VERY GOOD. - ROBYN: BECAUSE FORGIVENESS
- 00:12:23.668 --> 00:12:24.268
- - ROBYN: BECAUSE FORGIVENESS IS REALLY ANOTHER WORD FOR
- 00:12:24.335 --> 00:12:25.002
- IS REALLY ANOTHER WORD FOR RELEASE.
- 00:12:25.069 --> 00:12:26.971
- RELEASE. YOU RELEASE...YOURSELF.
- 00:12:27.038 --> 00:12:29.173
- YOU RELEASE...YOURSELF. - ALEX: GOOD. MM-HMM...
- 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:29.774
- - ALEX: GOOD. MM-HMM... - ROBYN: YOU RELEASE YOURSELF
- 00:12:29.841 --> 00:12:33.578
- - ROBYN: YOU RELEASE YOURSELF FROM THAT...EPISODE THAT WAS SO
- 00:12:33.644 --> 00:12:35.913
- FROM THAT...EPISODE THAT WAS SO DAMAGING THAT I AM NO LONGER
- 00:12:35.980 --> 00:12:39.183
- DAMAGING THAT I AM NO LONGER THAT PERSON WHO WENT INTO THAT
- 00:12:39.250 --> 00:12:41.786
- THAT PERSON WHO WENT INTO THAT EXPERIENCE; I CAME OUT
- 00:12:41.853 --> 00:12:43.921
- EXPERIENCE; I CAME OUT DIFFERENT.
- 00:12:43.988 --> 00:12:45.189
- DIFFERENT. NO. I CAME OUT BETTER.
- 00:12:45.256 --> 00:12:46.958
- NO. I CAME OUT BETTER. I CAME OUT CHANGED.
- 00:12:47.024 --> 00:12:49.260
- I CAME OUT CHANGED. - ALEX: COME ON...
- 00:12:49.327 --> 00:12:52.096
- - ALEX: COME ON... - ROBYN: I CAME OUT HIGHER
- 00:12:52.163 --> 00:12:52.930
- - ROBYN: I CAME OUT HIGHER THAN I WENT IN.
- 00:12:52.997 --> 00:12:53.831
- THAN I WENT IN. - ALEX: SO GOOD.
- 00:12:53.898 --> 00:12:54.298
- - ALEX: SO GOOD. - LISA: ROBYN, WILL YOU
- 00:12:54.365 --> 00:12:57.068
- - LISA: ROBYN, WILL YOU TALK-- 'CAUSE I LOVE YOUR
- 00:12:57.134 --> 00:12:58.469
- TALK-- 'CAUSE I LOVE YOUR WISDOM ON THIS.
- 00:12:58.536 --> 00:12:59.036
- WISDOM ON THIS. AND I'M THINKING FOR SOMEONE
- 00:12:59.103 --> 00:13:00.104
- AND I'M THINKING FOR SOMEONE WHO -- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING --
- 00:13:00.171 --> 00:13:01.639
- WHO -- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -- MAY SOUND LIKE, "YOU MEAN GOD
- 00:13:01.706 --> 00:13:03.808
- MAY SOUND LIKE, "YOU MEAN GOD MEANT..." AND YOU GO, "NO, NO,
- 00:13:03.875 --> 00:13:05.943
- MEANT..." AND YOU GO, "NO, NO, NO, NO" -- EVIL IS NOT DIVINELY
- 00:13:06.010 --> 00:13:07.745
- NO, NO" -- EVIL IS NOT DIVINELY CAUSATIVE; SOMEONE MADE A HUGE
- 00:13:07.812 --> 00:13:09.814
- CAUSATIVE; SOMEONE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE WITH YOUR SON" --
- 00:13:09.881 --> 00:13:14.886
- MISTAKE WITH YOUR SON" -- GOD HAS REDEEMED IT FOR
- 00:13:14.952 --> 00:13:15.920
- GOD HAS REDEEMED IT FOR EXTRAORDINARILY MORE.
- 00:13:15.987 --> 00:13:16.754
- EXTRAORDINARILY MORE. BUT I THINK SOMETIMES IN CHURCH
- 00:13:16.821 --> 00:13:18.456
- BUT I THINK SOMETIMES IN CHURCH WE USE SHORTCUTS.
- 00:13:18.522 --> 00:13:19.624
- WE USE SHORTCUTS. AND SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE YOUR
- 00:13:19.690 --> 00:13:21.559
- AND SOMEBODY WHO MAY HAVE YOUR EXPERIENCE OR MY EXPERIENCE, OR
- 00:13:21.626 --> 00:13:23.961
- EXPERIENCE OR MY EXPERIENCE, OR THEY MAY GO, "I WAS A VICTIM OF
- 00:13:24.028 --> 00:13:24.629
- THEY MAY GO, "I WAS A VICTIM OF HORRIFIC..."
- 00:13:24.695 --> 00:13:25.696
- HORRIFIC..." - ROBYN: HORRIFIC.
- 00:13:25.763 --> 00:13:26.464
- - ROBYN: HORRIFIC. - LISA: "...RACISM,"
- 00:13:26.530 --> 00:13:27.164
- - LISA: "...RACISM," "...ABUSE" -- WE'RE NOT SAYING
- 00:13:27.231 --> 00:13:28.532
- "...ABUSE" -- WE'RE NOT SAYING GOD CAUSED THAT.
- 00:13:28.599 --> 00:13:30.701
- GOD CAUSED THAT. - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT.
- 00:13:30.768 --> 00:13:31.435
- - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT. - LISA: WE'RE SAYING: NO, THAT
- 00:13:31.502 --> 00:13:33.337
- - LISA: WE'RE SAYING: NO, THAT WAS EVIL.
- 00:13:33.404 --> 00:13:33.838
- WAS EVIL. GOD DID NOT CAUSE THAT.
- 00:13:33.905 --> 00:13:34.939
- GOD DID NOT CAUSE THAT. BUT BECAUSE GOD IS A
- 00:13:35.006 --> 00:13:36.173
- BUT BECAUSE GOD IS A REDEEMER...
- 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:37.275
- REDEEMER... - ROBYN: YES.
- 00:13:37.341 --> 00:13:37.808
- - ROBYN: YES. - DR. DEEDEE: YOU CAN USE IT.
- 00:13:37.875 --> 00:13:40.711
- - DR. DEEDEE: YOU CAN USE IT. - LISA: ...YOU CAN GO: THAT
- 00:13:40.778 --> 00:13:41.279
- - LISA: ...YOU CAN GO: THAT WAS FOR ME.
- 00:13:41.345 --> 00:13:42.880
- WAS FOR ME. - ALEX: COME ON.
- 00:13:42.947 --> 00:13:43.781
- - ALEX: COME ON. - LISA: SO-- BECAUSE I THINK
- 00:13:43.848 --> 00:13:44.415
- - LISA: SO-- BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW IS
- 00:13:44.482 --> 00:13:45.049
- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW IS TRANSFORMATIONAL.
- 00:13:45.116 --> 00:13:45.716
- TRANSFORMATIONAL. - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT, 'CAUSE
- 00:13:45.783 --> 00:13:46.550
- - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT, 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
- 00:13:46.617 --> 00:13:47.084
- THAT'S REALLY GOOD. BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE, AND I
- 00:13:47.151 --> 00:13:48.419
- BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE, AND I AM THE PUSHBACK QUEEN...
- 00:13:48.486 --> 00:13:49.553
- AM THE PUSHBACK QUEEN... - LISA: YEAH.
- 00:13:49.620 --> 00:13:50.488
- - LISA: YEAH. - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT?
- 00:13:50.554 --> 00:13:51.489
- - DR. DEEDEE: RIGHT? AND SO, I KNOW THERE ARE
- 00:13:51.555 --> 00:13:52.890
- AND SO, I KNOW THERE ARE VIEWERS THAT ARE VIEWING JUST
- 00:13:52.957 --> 00:13:53.758
- VIEWERS THAT ARE VIEWING JUST LIKE I AM HERE.
- 00:13:53.824 --> 00:13:56.193
- LIKE I AM HERE. AND I'M SITTING HERE, LISTENING
- 00:13:56.260 --> 00:13:57.728
- AND I'M SITTING HERE, LISTENING -- AND I THINK YOU PRESENTED IT
- 00:13:57.795 --> 00:13:59.063
- -- AND I THINK YOU PRESENTED IT QUITE WELL -- AND THANK GOD FOR
- 00:13:59.130 --> 00:14:00.665
- QUITE WELL -- AND THANK GOD FOR YOUR CLARITY, YOU KNOW, EVEN
- 00:14:00.731 --> 00:14:02.667
- YOUR CLARITY, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THAT.
- 00:14:02.733 --> 00:14:03.634
- WITH THAT. BECAUSE I'M THINKING LIKE:
- 00:14:03.701 --> 00:14:05.202
- BECAUSE I'M THINKING LIKE: OKAY, NOW...WHERE ARE WE GOING
- 00:14:05.269 --> 00:14:07.204
- OKAY, NOW...WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS?
- 00:14:07.271 --> 00:14:08.005
- WITH THIS? - LISA: YEAH. BECAUSE, EVEN
- 00:14:08.072 --> 00:14:09.106
- - LISA: YEAH. BECAUSE, EVEN WITH JOYCE, YOU GO: SO, GOD
- 00:14:09.173 --> 00:14:10.641
- WITH JOYCE, YOU GO: SO, GOD MEANT FOR HER DADDY TO RAPE--
- 00:14:10.708 --> 00:14:12.877
- MEANT FOR HER DADDY TO RAPE-- WELL, NO, NO, NO -- THAT'S NOT
- 00:14:12.944 --> 00:14:13.611
- WELL, NO, NO, NO -- THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
- 00:14:13.678 --> 00:14:16.781
- WHAT SHE'S SAYING. - ROBYN: THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE
- 00:14:16.847 --> 00:14:17.415
- - ROBYN: THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
- 00:14:17.481 --> 00:14:18.282
- WAS SAYING. - LISA: SHE'S SAYING: EVEN IN
- 00:14:18.349 --> 00:14:20.351
- - LISA: SHE'S SAYING: EVEN IN AS HORRIFIC-- AND SHE WOULD
- 00:14:20.418 --> 00:14:21.185
- AS HORRIFIC-- AND SHE WOULD NEVER WISH--
- 00:14:21.252 --> 00:14:22.253
- NEVER WISH-- - DR. DEEDEE: THAT ON ANYONE.
- 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:23.020
- - DR. DEEDEE: THAT ON ANYONE. - ROBYN: NO!
- 00:14:23.087 --> 00:14:24.322
- - ROBYN: NO! - LISA: --ONE ONE-MILLIONTH ON
- 00:14:24.388 --> 00:14:25.690
- - LISA: --ONE ONE-MILLIONTH ON ANYBODY ELSE, SHE'S SAYING:
- 00:14:25.756 --> 00:14:26.524
- ANYBODY ELSE, SHE'S SAYING: BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD GOD AND
- 00:14:26.590 --> 00:14:27.491
- BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD GOD AND HE'S A KIND GOD, HE USED EVEN
- 00:14:27.558 --> 00:14:28.893
- HE'S A KIND GOD, HE USED EVEN THE MOST HORRIFIC THING TO
- 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:30.661
- THE MOST HORRIFIC THING TO CAUSE ME TO BE SO DESPERATE FOR
- 00:14:30.728 --> 00:14:33.698
- CAUSE ME TO BE SO DESPERATE FOR HIM THAT, NOW--
- 00:14:33.764 --> 00:14:37.301
- HIM THAT, NOW-- 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THE
- 00:14:37.368 --> 00:14:37.735
- 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
- 00:14:37.802 --> 00:14:38.569
- SAME THING. I THOUGHT-- 'CAUSE I USED TO
- 00:14:38.636 --> 00:14:39.170
- I THOUGHT-- 'CAUSE I USED TO HEAR -- AND IT MADE ME HARD AND
- 00:14:39.236 --> 00:14:41.372
- HEAR -- AND IT MADE ME HARD AND REAL SELF-PROTECTIVE -- I USED
- 00:14:41.439 --> 00:14:43.607
- REAL SELF-PROTECTIVE -- I USED TO HEAR: SO, IT'S MY FAULT?
- 00:14:43.674 --> 00:14:46.544
- TO HEAR: SO, IT'S MY FAULT? - DONNA: YES. SAME.
- 00:14:46.610 --> 00:14:47.878
- - DONNA: YES. SAME. - LISA: SO, THIS WAS A
- 00:14:47.945 --> 00:14:48.412
- - LISA: SO, THIS WAS A BLESSING THAT SO-AND-SO DID
- 00:14:48.479 --> 00:14:49.180
- BLESSING THAT SO-AND-SO DID THAT TO ME IN THE DARK AND
- 00:14:49.246 --> 00:14:50.481
- THAT TO ME IN THE DARK AND RIPPED MY GUTS OUT?
- 00:14:50.548 --> 00:14:51.882
- RIPPED MY GUTS OUT? AND YOU GO: NO, NO, NO, NO, NO,
- 00:14:51.949 --> 00:14:52.550
- AND YOU GO: NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
- 00:14:52.616 --> 00:14:53.985
- NO, NO. BUT GOD IS SO KIND, BECAUSE
- 00:14:54.051 --> 00:14:57.355
- BUT GOD IS SO KIND, BECAUSE CAUSATION AND REDEMPTION ARE
- 00:14:57.421 --> 00:14:58.322
- CAUSATION AND REDEMPTION ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
- 00:14:58.389 --> 00:15:00.091
- VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. - ROBYN: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
- 00:15:00.157 --> 00:15:01.158
- - ROBYN: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA THAT IN GOD'S ECONOMY
- 00:15:01.225 --> 00:15:05.229
- THE IDEA THAT IN GOD'S ECONOMY AND IN HIS UNIVERSE, HE IS
- 00:15:05.296 --> 00:15:08.199
- AND IN HIS UNIVERSE, HE IS HIGHER AND BIGGER AND GREATER.
- 00:15:08.265 --> 00:15:11.669
- HIGHER AND BIGGER AND GREATER. AND THAT I HAVE A CHOICE.
- 00:15:11.736 --> 00:15:15.673
- AND THAT I HAVE A CHOICE. IT'S VERY, VERY HARD FROM OUR
- 00:15:15.740 --> 00:15:19.510
- IT'S VERY, VERY HARD FROM OUR SMALL, FINITE POSITION TO
- 00:15:19.577 --> 00:15:21.278
- SMALL, FINITE POSITION TO UNDERSTAND--
- 00:15:21.345 --> 00:15:26.083
- UNDERSTAND-- WE REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND--
- 00:15:26.150 --> 00:15:28.185
- WE REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND-- - ALEX: AND YOU CAN'T DO IT IN
- 00:15:28.252 --> 00:15:29.053
- - ALEX: AND YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE NATURAL.
- 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:29.687
- THE NATURAL. - ROBYN: AND WE CAN'T.
- 00:15:29.754 --> 00:15:31.255
- - ROBYN: AND WE CAN'T. - ALEX: AND I THINK THAT'S THE
- 00:15:31.322 --> 00:15:32.089
- - ALEX: AND I THINK THAT'S THE PATH THAT I THINK EVEN VIEWERS
- 00:15:32.156 --> 00:15:33.657
- PATH THAT I THINK EVEN VIEWERS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE LIKE:
- 00:15:33.724 --> 00:15:34.792
- RIGHT NOW WOULD BE LIKE: HOW CAN I FORGIVE X-Y-Z?
- 00:15:34.859 --> 00:15:38.829
- HOW CAN I FORGIVE X-Y-Z? AGAIN, BEHOLD JESUS.
- 00:15:38.896 --> 00:15:40.297
- AGAIN, BEHOLD JESUS. THE REASON WHY JOYCE CAN SPEAK
- 00:15:40.364 --> 00:15:41.465
- THE REASON WHY JOYCE CAN SPEAK FROM THAT PLACE IS BECAUSE SHE
- 00:15:41.532 --> 00:15:42.633
- FROM THAT PLACE IS BECAUSE SHE BEHELD JESUS.
- 00:15:42.700 --> 00:15:43.968
- BEHELD JESUS. - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:15:44.035 --> 00:15:44.468
- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT. - ALEX: SHE BEHELD JESUS.
- 00:15:44.535 --> 00:15:46.270
- - ALEX: SHE BEHELD JESUS. SHE BELIEVED WHAT HE SAID AND
- 00:15:46.337 --> 00:15:47.371
- SHE BELIEVED WHAT HE SAID AND HE TURNED EVERYTHING AROUND.
- 00:15:47.438 --> 00:15:49.273
- HE TURNED EVERYTHING AROUND. - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:15:49.340 --> 00:15:51.108
- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT. - ALEX: AND, WHEN YOU BEHOLD
- 00:15:51.175 --> 00:15:52.009
- - ALEX: AND, WHEN YOU BEHOLD THE BEAUTY OF JESUS-- AND,
- 00:15:52.076 --> 00:15:53.344
- THE BEAUTY OF JESUS-- AND, AGAIN, HONESTLY, ANYONE THAT
- 00:15:53.411 --> 00:15:54.945
- AGAIN, HONESTLY, ANYONE THAT WANTS TO LISTEN TO TIM KELLER
- 00:15:55.012 --> 00:15:58.082
- WANTS TO LISTEN TO TIM KELLER RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT THIS WHOLE
- 00:15:58.149 --> 00:15:58.716
- RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT THIS WHOLE SERIES ON JESUS.
- 00:15:58.783 --> 00:16:00.584
- SERIES ON JESUS. AND HE SAYS THE BEHOLDING THE
- 00:16:00.651 --> 00:16:01.719
- AND HE SAYS THE BEHOLDING THE BEAUTY OF JESUS -- IT-- IT
- 00:16:01.786 --> 00:16:06.223
- BEAUTY OF JESUS -- IT-- IT DISINTEGRATES EVERYTHING ELSE.
- 00:16:06.290 --> 00:16:07.191
- DISINTEGRATES EVERYTHING ELSE. - ROBYN: IT DISINTEGRATES.
- 00:16:07.258 --> 00:16:07.858
- - ROBYN: IT DISINTEGRATES. AND I'LL JUST BRIEFLY-- I DON'T
- 00:16:07.925 --> 00:16:11.829
- AND I'LL JUST BRIEFLY-- I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO ONLY MY
- 00:16:11.896 --> 00:16:12.963
- WANT TO GO BACK TO ONLY MY EXPERIENCE.
- 00:16:13.030 --> 00:16:13.597
- EXPERIENCE. EVERYBODY HERE HAS HORROR IN
- 00:16:13.664 --> 00:16:14.565
- EVERYBODY HERE HAS HORROR IN THEIR LIFE.
- 00:16:14.632 --> 00:16:16.267
- THEIR LIFE. MY EXPERIENCE IS A 6-MONTH-OLD
- 00:16:16.333 --> 00:16:17.168
- MY EXPERIENCE IS A 6-MONTH-OLD BABY WHO WAS MISDIAGNOSED.
- 00:16:17.234 --> 00:16:18.969
- BABY WHO WAS MISDIAGNOSED. HE HAD SPINAL MENINGITIS.
- 00:16:19.036 --> 00:16:20.471
- HE HAD SPINAL MENINGITIS. AND BECAUSE OF THE
- 00:16:20.538 --> 00:16:23.641
- AND BECAUSE OF THE MISDIAGNOSIS, MY CHILD DIES.
- 00:16:23.707 --> 00:16:26.444
- MISDIAGNOSIS, MY CHILD DIES. OKAY?
- 00:16:26.510 --> 00:16:27.178
- OKAY? HE'S RESUSCITATED -- BUT WITH
- 00:16:27.244 --> 00:16:28.379
- HE'S RESUSCITATED -- BUT WITH BRAIN DAMAGE.
- 00:16:28.446 --> 00:16:31.515
- BRAIN DAMAGE. HE'S BRAIN-DAMAGED TODAY.
- 00:16:31.582 --> 00:16:33.317
- HE'S BRAIN-DAMAGED TODAY. BUT GOD, IN HIS MERCY,
- 00:16:33.384 --> 00:16:34.251
- BUT GOD, IN HIS MERCY, MIRACULOUSLY RAISES THE CHILD
- 00:16:34.318 --> 00:16:37.154
- MIRACULOUSLY RAISES THE CHILD UP, AND HE FUNCTIONS GREAT, AND
- 00:16:37.221 --> 00:16:39.323
- UP, AND HE FUNCTIONS GREAT, AND HE'S THE LIGHT OF OUR FAMILY.
- 00:16:39.390 --> 00:16:40.891
- HE'S THE LIGHT OF OUR FAMILY. I ADORE THIS KID.
- 00:16:40.958 --> 00:16:42.126
- I ADORE THIS KID. HE'S...DOING GREAT.
- 00:16:42.193 --> 00:16:44.795
- HE'S...DOING GREAT. NOW, THE POINT I'M MAKING IS I
- 00:16:44.862 --> 00:16:45.996
- NOW, THE POINT I'M MAKING IS I RAGED AGAINST GOD FOR A DECADE.
- 00:16:46.063 --> 00:16:50.901
- RAGED AGAINST GOD FOR A DECADE. (VOICE EMOTIONAL) I'M SO MAD.
- 00:16:50.968 --> 00:16:52.603
- (VOICE EMOTIONAL) I'M SO MAD. WHY DID THAT HAPPEN?
- 00:16:52.670 --> 00:16:53.070
- WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? NOT FAIR.
- 00:16:53.137 --> 00:17:00.077
- NOT FAIR. EVERYBODY LISTENING HAS A
- 00:17:00.144 --> 00:17:01.712
- EVERYBODY LISTENING HAS A "NOT FAIR" STORY.
- 00:17:01.779 --> 00:17:02.813
- "NOT FAIR" STORY. - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:17:02.880 --> 00:17:03.347
- - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT. - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:17:03.414 --> 00:17:04.281
- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT. - ROBYN: NOT FAIR.
- 00:17:04.348 --> 00:17:04.849
- - ROBYN: NOT FAIR. NOT RIGHT.
- 00:17:04.915 --> 00:17:05.249
- NOT RIGHT. EVIL ONE.
- 00:17:05.316 --> 00:17:07.952
- EVIL ONE. SO, THE POINT IS IS THAT WE
- 00:17:08.018 --> 00:17:10.287
- SO, THE POINT IS IS THAT WE HAVE TO FIND IN OUR THEOLOGY:
- 00:17:10.354 --> 00:17:14.959
- HAVE TO FIND IN OUR THEOLOGY: WHERE IS GOD?
- 00:17:15.025 --> 00:17:16.627
- WHERE IS GOD? - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT...THAT'S
- 00:17:16.694 --> 00:17:17.261
- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT...THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:17:17.328 --> 00:17:17.461
- RIGHT. - DONNA: SO GOOD.
- 00:17:17.528 --> 00:17:17.895
- - DONNA: SO GOOD. - ROBYN: DOES HE CARE?
- 00:17:17.962 --> 00:17:18.929
- - ROBYN: DOES HE CARE? - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:17:18.996 --> 00:17:19.463
- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT. - ALEX: SO GOOD.
- 00:17:19.530 --> 00:17:20.664
- - ALEX: SO GOOD. - LISA: AND DID HE CARE THEN?
- 00:17:20.731 --> 00:17:22.666
- - LISA: AND DID HE CARE THEN? - ROBYN: DID HE KNOW WHERE I
- 00:17:22.733 --> 00:17:23.701
- - ROBYN: DID HE KNOW WHERE I WAS?
- 00:17:23.767 --> 00:17:24.768
- WAS? DID HE KNOW WHERE--
- 00:17:24.835 --> 00:17:26.170
- DID HE KNOW WHERE-- - LISA: ABSOLUTELY.
- 00:17:26.237 --> 00:17:26.637
- - LISA: ABSOLUTELY. - ROBYN: DID HE-- WHY DID HE
- 00:17:26.704 --> 00:17:28.339
- - ROBYN: DID HE-- WHY DID HE LET THAT DOCTOR--
- 00:17:28.405 --> 00:17:28.906
- LET THAT DOCTOR-- WHY DID THAT EVIL MAN WIN?
- 00:17:28.973 --> 00:17:29.540
- WHY DID THAT EVIL MAN WIN? WHY DID THAT HAPPEN TO ME?
- 00:17:29.607 --> 00:17:30.107
- WHY DID THAT HAPPEN TO ME? WHY?
- 00:17:30.174 --> 00:17:30.774
- WHY? WHY?
- 00:17:30.841 --> 00:17:32.376
- WHY? AND THAT'S WHAT THE SCRIPTURE
- 00:17:32.443 --> 00:17:35.279
- AND THAT'S WHAT THE SCRIPTURE COMES TO TALK ABOUT IS HOW
- 00:17:35.346 --> 00:17:37.181
- COMES TO TALK ABOUT IS HOW JESUS CAME, WHY HE CAME, AND
- 00:17:37.248 --> 00:17:39.550
- JESUS CAME, WHY HE CAME, AND WHAT HE OFFERS US.
- 00:17:39.617 --> 00:17:44.455
- WHAT HE OFFERS US. - LISA: AND HE OFFERS COMPLETE
- 00:17:44.522 --> 00:17:45.623
- - LISA: AND HE OFFERS COMPLETE REFRAMING.
- 00:17:45.689 --> 00:17:46.924
- REFRAMING. - ROBYN: NOTHING, PAUL SAID...
- 00:17:46.991 --> 00:17:49.293
- - ROBYN: NOTHING, PAUL SAID... NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME;
- 00:17:49.360 --> 00:17:52.730
- NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME; IT HAPPENS FOR ME.
- 00:17:52.796 --> 00:17:56.033
- IT HAPPENS FOR ME. NOW, LISA, IF WE DON'T BELIEVE
- 00:17:56.100 --> 00:17:58.135
- NOW, LISA, IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT, DR. DEEDEE, THEN WE
- 00:17:58.202 --> 00:17:59.970
- THAT, DR. DEEDEE, THEN WE ARE--
- 00:18:00.037 --> 00:18:01.505
- ARE-- (VOICE EMOTIONAL) BECAUSE HE
- 00:18:01.572 --> 00:18:03.307
- (VOICE EMOTIONAL) BECAUSE HE PROMISES THAT HE'LL NEVER LEAVE
- 00:18:03.374 --> 00:18:07.344
- PROMISES THAT HE'LL NEVER LEAVE US.
- 00:18:07.411 --> 00:18:08.045
- US. - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:18:08.112 --> 00:18:09.713
- - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT. - ROBYN: (VOICE EMOTIONAL)
- 00:18:09.780 --> 00:18:10.314
- - ROBYN: (VOICE EMOTIONAL) NEVER...
- 00:18:10.381 --> 00:18:12.483
- NEVER... - DONNA: AND, I THINK IT GOES
- 00:18:12.550 --> 00:18:13.117
- - DONNA: AND, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING,
- 00:18:13.184 --> 00:18:13.751
- BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, ALEX-- THIS IS SO POWERFUL,
- 00:18:13.817 --> 00:18:14.985
- ALEX-- THIS IS SO POWERFUL, ROBYN.
- 00:18:15.052 --> 00:18:15.619
- ROBYN. - ALEX: YEAH, IT IS.
- 00:18:15.686 --> 00:18:16.954
- - ALEX: YEAH, IT IS. - DONNA: BECAUSE I THINK
- 00:18:17.021 --> 00:18:17.755
- - DONNA: BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S-- THERE ARE PEOPLE
- 00:18:17.821 --> 00:18:19.723
- THERE'S-- THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING TODAY THAT HAVE
- 00:18:19.790 --> 00:18:20.457
- WATCHING TODAY THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED THE DEPTHS OF THE
- 00:18:20.524 --> 00:18:21.559
- EXPERIENCED THE DEPTHS OF THE "NOT FAIR."
- 00:18:21.625 --> 00:18:22.059
- "NOT FAIR." AND I LOVE HOW YOU FRAMED IT IN
- 00:18:22.126 --> 00:18:23.961
- AND I LOVE HOW YOU FRAMED IT IN THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU SAID
- 00:18:24.028 --> 00:18:25.029
- THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU SAID WHAT HAPPENED TO JOSEPH.
- 00:18:25.095 --> 00:18:27.097
- WHAT HAPPENED TO JOSEPH. AND HE SAID AT THE VERY END OF
- 00:18:27.164 --> 00:18:28.966
- AND HE SAID AT THE VERY END OF HIS LIFE, "WHAT YOU MEANT FOR
- 00:18:29.033 --> 00:18:30.367
- HIS LIFE, "WHAT YOU MEANT FOR EVIL, GOD USED FOR GOOD."
- 00:18:30.434 --> 00:18:33.604
- EVIL, GOD USED FOR GOOD." AND I THINK EVERY ONE OF US, IN
- 00:18:33.671 --> 00:18:34.638
- AND I THINK EVERY ONE OF US, IN OUR "NOT FAIR" STORY--
- 00:18:34.705 --> 00:18:36.073
- OUR "NOT FAIR" STORY-- AND I WOULD GO EVEN FURTHER TO
- 00:18:36.140 --> 00:18:37.841
- AND I WOULD GO EVEN FURTHER TO SAY-- WHEN I TALKED ABOUT
- 00:18:37.908 --> 00:18:39.143
- SAY-- WHEN I TALKED ABOUT GARDENS TO GRAVEYARDS -- WE
- 00:18:39.210 --> 00:18:40.945
- GARDENS TO GRAVEYARDS -- WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WHAT
- 00:18:41.011 --> 00:18:42.513
- HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WHAT WE'VE WALKED TO IS GONNA BLOOM
- 00:18:42.580 --> 00:18:45.382
- WE'VE WALKED TO IS GONNA BLOOM INTO A GARDEN OR PRODUCE FRUIT,
- 00:18:45.449 --> 00:18:46.250
- INTO A GARDEN OR PRODUCE FRUIT, OR IF WE'RE GONNA JUST ALLOW IT
- 00:18:46.317 --> 00:18:47.818
- OR IF WE'RE GONNA JUST ALLOW IT TO DIE, AND THEN IT BECOMES A
- 00:18:47.885 --> 00:18:48.953
- TO DIE, AND THEN IT BECOMES A GRAVEYARD.
- 00:18:49.019 --> 00:18:50.487
- GRAVEYARD. AND THERE ARE GRAVEYARDS FULL
- 00:18:50.554 --> 00:18:52.156
- AND THERE ARE GRAVEYARDS FULL OF GRAVEYARDS.
- 00:18:52.223 --> 00:18:53.624
- OF GRAVEYARDS. - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT...
- 00:18:53.691 --> 00:18:54.325
- - ALEX: THAT'S RIGHT... - LISA: BECAUSE, SOMETIMES, I
- 00:18:54.391 --> 00:18:55.459
- - LISA: BECAUSE, SOMETIMES, I THINK WE'LL SEE THE GARDEN IN
- 00:18:55.526 --> 00:18:56.594
- THINK WE'LL SEE THE GARDEN IN FULL BLOOM HERE, AND I'M LIKE:
- 00:18:56.660 --> 00:18:57.895
- FULL BLOOM HERE, AND I'M LIKE: LET'S LOOK AT MOSES.
- 00:18:57.962 --> 00:18:58.796
- LET'S LOOK AT MOSES. GOODNESS GRACIOUS, ALL HE DID
- 00:18:58.862 --> 00:19:01.865
- GOODNESS GRACIOUS, ALL HE DID WAS WHACK THE ROCK.
- 00:19:01.932 --> 00:19:03.234
- WAS WHACK THE ROCK. I WOULD HAVE BEEN WHACKING
- 00:19:03.300 --> 00:19:03.801
- I WOULD HAVE BEEN WHACKING ISRAELITES.
- 00:19:03.867 --> 00:19:04.902
- ISRAELITES. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:19:04.969 --> 00:19:05.636
- [LAUGHTER] HE KNEW THEY WERE OBNOXIOUS
- 00:19:05.703 --> 00:19:08.339
- HE KNEW THEY WERE OBNOXIOUS AND THEY WERE...YOU KNOW, HARD
- 00:19:08.405 --> 00:19:09.173
- AND THEY WERE...YOU KNOW, HARD TO LEAD...
- 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.108
- TO LEAD... AND YOU GO-- THAT USED TO
- 00:19:11.175 --> 00:19:12.409
- AND YOU GO-- THAT USED TO ALWAYS BOTHER ME -- THAT HE
- 00:19:12.476 --> 00:19:14.411
- ALWAYS BOTHER ME -- THAT HE DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THE PROMISED
- 00:19:14.478 --> 00:19:15.846
- DIDN'T MAKE IT IN THE PROMISED LAND.
- 00:19:15.913 --> 00:19:16.313
- LAND. YOU'RE LIKE: AFTER 40 YEARS?
- 00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:17.815
- YOU'RE LIKE: AFTER 40 YEARS? HE WAS SUCH A GOOD GUY!
- 00:19:17.881 --> 00:19:19.516
- HE WAS SUCH A GOOD GUY! APART FROM THE MURDER RAP, HE
- 00:19:19.583 --> 00:19:21.085
- APART FROM THE MURDER RAP, HE WAS A REALLY GOOD GUY.
- 00:19:21.151 --> 00:19:22.753
- WAS A REALLY GOOD GUY. [LAUGHTER]
- 00:19:22.820 --> 00:19:23.254
- [LAUGHTER] AND THEN, YOU GO: THAT'S NOT
- 00:19:23.320 --> 00:19:23.921
- AND THEN, YOU GO: THAT'S NOT FAIR.
- 00:19:23.988 --> 00:19:25.456
- FAIR. AND THEN YOU GO: MOUNT OF
- 00:19:25.522 --> 00:19:26.624
- AND THEN YOU GO: MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION.
- 00:19:26.690 --> 00:19:27.491
- TRANSFIGURATION. - ALEX: YEP.
- 00:19:27.558 --> 00:19:28.592
- - ALEX: YEP. - LISA: THERE HE IS.
- 00:19:28.659 --> 00:19:29.760
- - LISA: THERE HE IS. IN THE PROMISED LAND.
- 00:19:29.827 --> 00:19:31.195
- IN THE PROMISED LAND. A THOUSAND OR SO YEARS -- 1500,
- 00:19:31.262 --> 00:19:32.863
- A THOUSAND OR SO YEARS -- 1500, I THINK -- AFTER HIS PHYSICAL
- 00:19:32.930 --> 00:19:34.231
- I THINK -- AFTER HIS PHYSICAL DEATH, NEXT TO A GLORIFIED,
- 00:19:34.298 --> 00:19:37.635
- DEATH, NEXT TO A GLORIFIED, RADIANT, SHINY JESUS...
- 00:19:37.701 --> 00:19:38.836
- RADIANT, SHINY JESUS... - ROBYN: YEP.
- 00:19:38.902 --> 00:19:39.903
- - ROBYN: YEP. - LISA: IF WE INTERVIEWED HIM
- 00:19:39.970 --> 00:19:40.537
- - LISA: IF WE INTERVIEWED HIM ON THIS "BETTER TOGETHER" SET
- 00:19:40.604 --> 00:19:41.405
- ON THIS "BETTER TOGETHER" SET AND SAID, "MO, WOULD YOU
- 00:19:41.472 --> 00:19:42.339
- AND SAID, "MO, WOULD YOU RATHER, IN YOUR NATURAL
- 00:19:42.406 --> 00:19:44.541
- RATHER, IN YOUR NATURAL JAR-OF-CLAY BODY, WITH ALL
- 00:19:44.608 --> 00:19:45.843
- JAR-OF-CLAY BODY, WITH ALL THOSE SWEATY INGRATES, HAVE
- 00:19:45.909 --> 00:19:47.244
- THOSE SWEATY INGRATES, HAVE WALKED IN THE PROMISED LAND,
- 00:19:47.311 --> 00:19:48.512
- WALKED IN THE PROMISED LAND, OR, WILL YOU TRUST THAT
- 00:19:48.579 --> 00:19:50.948
- OR, WILL YOU TRUST THAT EVERYTHING HE DOES IS FOR YOU
- 00:19:51.015 --> 00:19:52.316
- EVERYTHING HE DOES IS FOR YOU AND KNOW THAT OUTSIDE OF TIME
- 00:19:52.383 --> 00:19:53.784
- AND KNOW THAT OUTSIDE OF TIME AND SPACE-- TALK ABOUT OOH-EEH-
- 00:19:53.851 --> 00:19:55.719
- AND SPACE-- TALK ABOUT OOH-EEH- OOH.
- 00:19:55.786 --> 00:19:57.621
- OOH. WE NEVER THINK ABOUT THAT,
- 00:19:57.688 --> 00:19:58.155
- WE NEVER THINK ABOUT THAT, 'CAUSE WE THINK AS HUMANS.
- 00:19:58.222 --> 00:19:59.556
- 'CAUSE WE THINK AS HUMANS. - ALEX: YEAH...THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:19:59.623 --> 00:20:00.658
- - ALEX: YEAH...THAT'S RIGHT. - LISA: AND GOD IS GOING: I
- 00:20:00.724 --> 00:20:01.692
- - LISA: AND GOD IS GOING: I GOT SO MUCH MORE.
- 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:02.326
- GOT SO MUCH MORE. MOSES, YOU'RE GONNA STAND NEXT
- 00:20:02.393 --> 00:20:02.960
- MOSES, YOU'RE GONNA STAND NEXT TO JESUS AND YOU'RE GONNA BE
- 00:20:03.027 --> 00:20:05.095
- TO JESUS AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE ENTIRE VALLEY.
- 00:20:05.162 --> 00:20:08.332
- ABLE TO SEE THE ENTIRE VALLEY. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE, YOU
- 00:20:08.399 --> 00:20:09.066
- IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE SEA OF
- 00:20:09.133 --> 00:20:10.501
- CAN SEE THE ENTIRE SEA OF GALILEE FROM THAT POINT ON.
- 00:20:10.567 --> 00:20:11.235
- GALILEE FROM THAT POINT ON. YOU KNOW, DEEDEE -- IT'S
- 00:20:11.302 --> 00:20:12.870
- YOU KNOW, DEEDEE -- IT'S GLORIOUS!
- 00:20:12.936 --> 00:20:15.039
- GLORIOUS! - DR. DEEDEE: MM-HMM...
- 00:20:15.105 --> 00:20:15.539
- - DR. DEEDEE: MM-HMM... - DONNA: YEAH.
- 00:20:15.606 --> 00:20:16.407
- - DONNA: YEAH. - LISA: AND THERE HE STANDS
- 00:20:16.473 --> 00:20:17.007
- - LISA: AND THERE HE STANDS NEXT TO JESUS.
- 00:20:17.074 --> 00:20:17.574
- NEXT TO JESUS. AND SOMETIMES I THINK: MY
- 00:20:17.641 --> 00:20:19.343
- AND SOMETIMES I THINK: MY PERSPECTIVE IS TOO SMALL.
- 00:20:19.410 --> 00:20:20.844
- PERSPECTIVE IS TOO SMALL. - ALEX: YEAH.
- 00:20:20.911 --> 00:20:21.812
- - ALEX: YEAH. - DR. DEEDEE: NONE OF OUR
- 00:20:21.879 --> 00:20:24.014
- - DR. DEEDEE: NONE OF OUR LIVES ARE AN EMERGENCY TO GOD,
- 00:20:24.081 --> 00:20:24.615
- LIVES ARE AN EMERGENCY TO GOD, RIGHT?
- 00:20:24.682 --> 00:20:25.049
- RIGHT? HE KNEW OUR END AND WHERE WE
- 00:20:25.115 --> 00:20:26.417
- HE KNEW OUR END AND WHERE WE WOULD BE...
- 00:20:26.483 --> 00:20:26.884
- WOULD BE... - LISA: THAT'S REALLY GOOD,
- 00:20:26.950 --> 00:20:29.353
- - LISA: THAT'S REALLY GOOD, DEEDEE.
- 00:20:29.420 --> 00:20:30.454
- DEEDEE. - DR. DEEDEE: ...BEFORE WE
- 00:20:30.521 --> 00:20:31.021
- - DR. DEEDEE: ...BEFORE WE WERE EVEN IN THIS SITUATION.
- 00:20:31.088 --> 00:20:31.889
- WERE EVEN IN THIS SITUATION. - LISA: THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
- 00:20:31.955 --> 00:20:33.257
- - LISA: THAT'S REALLY GOOD. - DR. DEEDEE: AND SO, HE
- 00:20:33.324 --> 00:20:34.558
- - DR. DEEDEE: AND SO, HE ALREADY HAD A ROADMAP AND A
- 00:20:34.625 --> 00:20:35.159
- ALREADY HAD A ROADMAP AND A PLAN ALREADY LAID OUT FOR ALL
- 00:20:35.225 --> 00:20:36.093
- PLAN ALREADY LAID OUT FOR ALL OF US.
- 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:36.560
- OF US. - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:20:36.627 --> 00:20:37.194
- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT. - DR. DEEDEE: I THINK ABOUT MY
- 00:20:37.261 --> 00:20:38.262
- - DR. DEEDEE: I THINK ABOUT MY MARRIAGE, HOW-- AND, I'VE BEEN
- 00:20:38.329 --> 00:20:39.830
- MARRIAGE, HOW-- AND, I'VE BEEN MARRIED, NOW, FOR 37 YEARS.
- 00:20:39.897 --> 00:20:41.665
- MARRIED, NOW, FOR 37 YEARS. ALMOST 38 YEARS, COME APRIL.
- 00:20:41.732 --> 00:20:43.267
- ALMOST 38 YEARS, COME APRIL. - LISA: Y'ALL MARRIED WHEN YOU
- 00:20:43.334 --> 00:20:44.535
- - LISA: Y'ALL MARRIED WHEN YOU WERE 4.
- 00:20:44.601 --> 00:20:45.469
- WERE 4. - DR. DEEDEE: YEAH. EXACTLY.
- 00:20:45.536 --> 00:20:46.437
- - DR. DEEDEE: YEAH. EXACTLY. - LISA: 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING
- 00:20:46.503 --> 00:20:47.705
- - LISA: 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD, DEEDEE...YOU'RE LOOKING
- 00:20:47.771 --> 00:20:48.739
- GOOD, DEEDEE...YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD.
- 00:20:48.806 --> 00:20:49.306
- GOOD. - DR. DEEDEE: I MEAN, OUT OF
- 00:20:49.373 --> 00:20:51.008
- - DR. DEEDEE: I MEAN, OUT OF THE CRADLE...
- 00:20:51.075 --> 00:20:52.643
- THE CRADLE... - LISA: YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD.
- 00:20:52.710 --> 00:20:53.277
- - LISA: YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD. - DR. DEEDEE: THANK YOU.
- 00:20:53.344 --> 00:20:53.811
- - DR. DEEDEE: THANK YOU. BUT, FOR THE FIRST SEVEN OR
- 00:20:53.877 --> 00:20:54.712
- BUT, FOR THE FIRST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OF MY RELATIONSHIP,
- 00:20:54.778 --> 00:20:55.446
- EIGHT YEARS OF MY RELATIONSHIP, IT WAS REALLY LIKE HELL ON
- 00:20:55.512 --> 00:20:56.013
- IT WAS REALLY LIKE HELL ON EARTH.
- 00:20:56.080 --> 00:20:56.513
- EARTH. LIKE, I DID NOT LIKE HIM.
- 00:20:56.580 --> 00:20:57.414
- LIKE, I DID NOT LIKE HIM. AND, IN ORDER FOR ME TO CHANGE
- 00:20:57.481 --> 00:20:58.449
- AND, IN ORDER FOR ME TO CHANGE HOW I SAW HIM, I HAD TO CHANGE
- 00:20:58.515 --> 00:21:01.085
- HOW I SAW HIM, I HAD TO CHANGE HOW I WAS LOOKING AT HIM.
- 00:21:01.151 --> 00:21:05.622
- HOW I WAS LOOKING AT HIM. I HAD TO PUT ON A DIFFERENT SET
- 00:21:05.689 --> 00:21:06.924
- I HAD TO PUT ON A DIFFERENT SET OF LENSES, RIGHT?
- 00:21:06.990 --> 00:21:09.026
- OF LENSES, RIGHT? I HAD TO STOP VIEWING HIM
- 00:21:09.093 --> 00:21:10.661
- I HAD TO STOP VIEWING HIM THROUGH EYES OF HURT, PAIN, AND
- 00:21:10.728 --> 00:21:12.096
- THROUGH EYES OF HURT, PAIN, AND REJECTION.
- 00:21:12.162 --> 00:21:13.130
- REJECTION. I HAD TO START SEEING HIM,
- 00:21:13.197 --> 00:21:15.799
- I HAD TO START SEEING HIM, REALLY, THROUGH THE LENSES OF
- 00:21:15.866 --> 00:21:17.101
- REALLY, THROUGH THE LENSES OF LOVE.
- 00:21:17.167 --> 00:21:17.501
- LOVE. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
- 00:21:17.568 --> 00:21:19.103
- AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN REALLY GET
- 00:21:19.169 --> 00:21:20.037
- WAYS THAT WE CAN REALLY GET THROUGH THE WHOLE FORGIVENESS
- 00:21:20.104 --> 00:21:21.405
- THROUGH THE WHOLE FORGIVENESS PROCESS.
- 00:21:21.472 --> 00:21:23.240
- PROCESS. IT'S LIKE: LET ME SEE YOU
- 00:21:23.307 --> 00:21:24.475
- IT'S LIKE: LET ME SEE YOU THROUGH THE EYES OF JESUS.
- 00:21:24.541 --> 00:21:25.709
- THROUGH THE EYES OF JESUS. SO, WHATEVER I FILTER THROUGH
- 00:21:25.776 --> 00:21:27.878
- SO, WHATEVER I FILTER THROUGH THAT, IT WILL ALWAYS COME OUT
- 00:21:27.945 --> 00:21:28.779
- THAT, IT WILL ALWAYS COME OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THE RIGHT
- 00:21:28.846 --> 00:21:30.347
- ON THE OTHER SIDE THE RIGHT WAY, RIGHT?
- 00:21:30.414 --> 00:21:31.415
- WAY, RIGHT? AND SO, THAT'S HOW I WAS ABLE
- 00:21:31.482 --> 00:21:33.851
- AND SO, THAT'S HOW I WAS ABLE TO EVEN DEAL WITH A LOT OF
- 00:21:33.917 --> 00:21:35.719
- TO EVEN DEAL WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
- 00:21:35.786 --> 00:21:37.788
- DIFFERENT THINGS. AND, THANK GOD, THINGS BEGAN TO
- 00:21:37.855 --> 00:21:38.455
- AND, THANK GOD, THINGS BEGAN TO TURN HOW I SAW THEM IN THE
- 00:21:38.522 --> 00:21:40.624
- TURN HOW I SAW THEM IN THE SPIRITUAL ARENA, AS
- 00:21:40.691 --> 00:21:41.692
- SPIRITUAL ARENA, AS OPPOSED TO HOW
- 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.026
- OPPOSED TO HOW THEY REALLY WERE IN THE
- 00:21:43.093 --> 00:21:43.827
- THEY REALLY WERE IN THE NATURAL.
- 00:21:43.894 --> 00:21:45.629
- NATURAL. YOU UNDERSTAND?
- 00:21:45.696 --> 00:21:46.430
- YOU UNDERSTAND? AND SO, I THINK IT'S-- AGAIN,
- 00:21:46.497 --> 00:21:48.465
- AND SO, I THINK IT'S-- AGAIN, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT,
- 00:21:48.532 --> 00:21:49.099
- YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, ABOUT CHANGING YOUR LENS.
- 00:21:49.166 --> 00:21:50.100
- ABOUT CHANGING YOUR LENS. IT'S LIKE: WE GOTTA CHANGE HOW
- 00:21:50.167 --> 00:21:51.769
- IT'S LIKE: WE GOTTA CHANGE HOW WE VIEW IT ALL.
- 00:21:51.835 --> 00:21:52.836
- WE VIEW IT ALL. - ALEX: YEAH, IT'S CHANGE THE
- 00:21:52.903 --> 00:21:53.470
- - ALEX: YEAH, IT'S CHANGE THE WAY WE SEE THINGS.
- 00:21:53.537 --> 00:21:54.037
- WAY WE SEE THINGS. - DR. DEEDEE: CHANGE HOW WE
- 00:21:54.104 --> 00:21:54.638
- - DR. DEEDEE: CHANGE HOW WE SEE IT.
- 00:21:54.705 --> 00:21:54.972
- SEE IT. - ALEX: WHICH IS WHAT LOVE
- 00:21:55.038 --> 00:21:55.572
- - ALEX: WHICH IS WHAT LOVE DOES.
- 00:21:55.639 --> 00:21:55.806
- DOES. - DR. DEEDEE: YEAH.
- 00:21:55.873 --> 00:21:56.273
- - DR. DEEDEE: YEAH. - DONNA: YES, YES.
- 00:21:56.340 --> 00:21:56.840
- - DONNA: YES, YES. - ALEX: AND I THINK, TOO, TO
- 00:21:56.907 --> 00:21:57.641
- - ALEX: AND I THINK, TOO, TO JUST PICK UP A LITTLE BIT WITH
- 00:21:57.708 --> 00:21:59.009
- JUST PICK UP A LITTLE BIT WITH VIEWERS -- BECAUSE, I THINK --
- 00:21:59.076 --> 00:21:59.843
- VIEWERS -- BECAUSE, I THINK -- AGAIN -- THEY'RE GONNA GET
- 00:21:59.910 --> 00:22:01.311
- AGAIN -- THEY'RE GONNA GET STUCK ON AN AREA.
- 00:22:01.378 --> 00:22:02.846
- STUCK ON AN AREA. I THINK THE GREATEST-- BECAUSE,
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- I THINK THE GREATEST-- BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE
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- YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE WE COUNSELED IN THE YEARS OF
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- WE COUNSELED IN THE YEARS OF PASTORING, WHERE ONE OF THE
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- PASTORING, WHERE ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS IS: WHY DID
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- BIGGEST QUESTIONS IS: WHY DID GOD ALLOW THAT?
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- GOD ALLOW THAT? OR: WHY DIDN'T HE SAVE ME FROM
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- OR: WHY DIDN'T HE SAVE ME FROM THAT?
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- THAT? WHY DIDN'T HE PROTECT ME FROM
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- WHY DIDN'T HE PROTECT ME FROM THAT?
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- THAT? AND I THINK THE BEST ANSWER THE
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- AND I THINK THE BEST ANSWER THE HOLY SPIRIT'S EVER GIVEN ME IS:
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- HOLY SPIRIT'S EVER GIVEN ME IS: SWEETHEART, YOU'RE IN A BROKEN
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- SWEETHEART, YOU'RE IN A BROKEN WORLD...
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- WORLD... - DR. DEEDEE: ABSOLUTELY.
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- - DR. DEEDEE: ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S GOOD.
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- THAT'S GOOD. - ALEX: ...WITH BROKEN PEOPLE
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- - ALEX: ...WITH BROKEN PEOPLE AND SIN.
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- AND SIN. AND I DON'T PREVENT PEOPLE'S
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- AND I DON'T PREVENT PEOPLE'S FREE WILL.
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- FREE WILL. - LISA: RIGHT...RIGHT.
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- - LISA: RIGHT...RIGHT. - ALEX: I GAVE EVERYBODY FREE
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- - ALEX: I GAVE EVERYBODY FREE WILL.
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- WILL. - DR. DEEDEE: YEP.
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- - DR. DEEDEE: YEP. - ALEX: AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO
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- - ALEX: AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO USE THEIR FREE WILL TO HARM
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- USE THEIR FREE WILL TO HARM YOU, THEN I HAVE THE POWER TO
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- YOU, THEN I HAVE THE POWER TO REDEEM YOU AND TO HEAL YOU.
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- REDEEM YOU AND TO HEAL YOU. AND THIS IS WHY WE MUST LOOK AT
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- AND THIS IS WHY WE MUST LOOK AT JESUS.
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- JESUS. THIS IS WHY HE BECAME A
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- THIS IS WHY HE BECAME A SACRIFICE FOR US.
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- SACRIFICE FOR US. HE BECAME BEATEN AND BRUISED,
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- HE BECAME BEATEN AND BRUISED, MARGINALIZED, REJECTED, SPAT
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- MARGINALIZED, REJECTED, SPAT ON, HATED...
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- ON, HATED... EVERY-- EVERY BIT THAT WE'VE
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- EVERY-- EVERY BIT THAT WE'VE ALL GONE THROUGH, HE'S GONE
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- ALL GONE THROUGH, HE'S GONE THROUGH THAT ABUSE.
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- THROUGH THAT ABUSE. AND YET, HE WAS PERFECT IN ALL
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- AND YET, HE WAS PERFECT IN ALL OF HIS WAYS.
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- OF HIS WAYS. AND HE COULD STILL FORGIVE.
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- AND HE COULD STILL FORGIVE. BECAUSE OF HIS LOVE THAT WAS
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- BECAUSE OF HIS LOVE THAT WAS VERTICAL WITH THE FATHER, AND,
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- VERTICAL WITH THE FATHER, AND, THEREFORE, HE WAS ABLE TO LOVE
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- THEREFORE, HE WAS ABLE TO LOVE US.
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- US. AND WE WERE THE JOY -- IN HIS
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- AND WE WERE THE JOY -- IN HIS EYES -- BECAUSE HE WENT: OH, MY
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- EYES -- BECAUSE HE WENT: OH, MY GOSH...I CAN SEE WHAT'S GONNA
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- GOSH...I CAN SEE WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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- BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN I GO TO THE CROSS, AND
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- WHEN I GO TO THE CROSS, AND THEN I BECOME...ABUSER AND
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- THEN I BECOME...ABUSER AND VICTIM...ON THAT CROSS...
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- VICTIM...ON THAT CROSS... ...I, THEN, RESURRECT AS
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- ...I, THEN, RESURRECT AS ALL-POWERFUL.
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- ALL-POWERFUL. - DONNA: WOW...
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- - DONNA: WOW... - ALEX: AND THEN, I GET TO
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- - ALEX: AND THEN, I GET TO BRING THAT HEALING TO EACH AND
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- BRING THAT HEALING TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, IF YOU LET
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- EVERY ONE OF YOU, IF YOU LET ME.
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- ME. - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT.
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- - LISA: THAT'S RIGHT. - ALEX: AND SO, I WANNA PRAY
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- - ALEX: AND SO, I WANNA PRAY FOR SOME OF YOU TODAY THAT YOU
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- FOR SOME OF YOU TODAY THAT YOU MAY BE WATCHING AND LISTENING,
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- MAY BE WATCHING AND LISTENING, AND THIS HAS REALLY TRIGGERED
- 00:23:41.178 --> 00:23:42.713
- AND THIS HAS REALLY TRIGGERED SOMETHING IN YOUR HEART, WHERE
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- SOMETHING IN YOUR HEART, WHERE YOU'RE LIKE: I DON'T THINK I
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- YOU'RE LIKE: I DON'T THINK I CAN EVER FORGET.
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- CAN EVER FORGET. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
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- DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. JUST FOCUS ON THE FORGIVING
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- JUST FOCUS ON THE FORGIVING PART.
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- PART. ACTUALLY, FOCUS ON BEING
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- ACTUALLY, FOCUS ON BEING FORGIVEN.
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- FORGIVEN. MEDITATE ON THAT FOR A
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- MEDITATE ON THAT FOR A MOMENT...
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- MOMENT... - LISA: RIGHT...THAT'S IT,
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- - LISA: RIGHT...THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT.
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- THAT'S IT. - ALEX: ...THAT YOU'VE BEEN
- 00:23:54.525 --> 00:23:55.058
- - ALEX: ...THAT YOU'VE BEEN FORGIVEN.
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- FORGIVEN. AND THEN, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY
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- AND THEN, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A TRUE ENCOUNTER WITH THE
- 00:23:56.827 --> 00:23:58.095
- HAVE A TRUE ENCOUNTER WITH THE LOVE OF JESUS, THAT HE LOVED US
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- LOVE OF JESUS, THAT HE LOVED US SO MUCH -- EVEN WHILE WE WERE
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- SO MUCH -- EVEN WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, HE ENDURED THE
- 00:24:01.131 --> 00:24:03.367
- YET SINNERS, HE ENDURED THE CROSS -- YOU REALIZE: I DON'T
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- CROSS -- YOU REALIZE: I DON'T HAVE AN EXCUSE.
- 00:24:05.402 --> 00:24:07.170
- HAVE AN EXCUSE. AND SO, I WANNA PRAY FOR YOU
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- AND SO, I WANNA PRAY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
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- RIGHT NOW. FATHER, WE THANK YOU...WE THANK
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- FATHER, WE THANK YOU...WE THANK YOU THAT YOU SENT YOUR SON.
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- YOU THAT YOU SENT YOUR SON. YOU LOVED US SO MUCH, EVEN WHEN
- 00:24:11.308 --> 00:24:13.911
- YOU LOVED US SO MUCH, EVEN WHEN WE WERE WICKED.
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- WE WERE WICKED. EVEN WHEN WE TURNED AWAY EVERY
- 00:24:16.346 --> 00:24:17.481
- EVEN WHEN WE TURNED AWAY EVERY GOOD THING, GOD, YOU PURSUED
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- GOOD THING, GOD, YOU PURSUED US...AND YOU SENT JESUS TO BE
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- US...AND YOU SENT JESUS TO BE THE PERFECT LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN
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- THE PERFECT LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN ON OUR BEHALF.
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- ON OUR BEHALF. WE DIDN'T DESERVE IT.
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- WE DIDN'T DESERVE IT. WE STILL DON'T DESERVE IT.
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- WE STILL DON'T DESERVE IT. YET, YOU GAVE US THE GRACE AND
- 00:24:32.296 --> 00:24:33.530
- YET, YOU GAVE US THE GRACE AND MERCY TO BE CHILDREN OF A
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- MERCY TO BE CHILDREN OF A LIVING GOD.
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- LIVING GOD. AND SO, AS WE RECEIVE AGAIN AND
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- AND SO, AS WE RECEIVE AGAIN AND REMEMBER THE FORGIVENESS THAT
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- REMEMBER THE FORGIVENESS THAT YOU GAVE US SO FREELY, GOD, WE
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- YOU GAVE US SO FREELY, GOD, WE CHOOSE TO SURRENDER EVERY HURT,
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- CHOOSE TO SURRENDER EVERY HURT, EVERY WOUND, EVERY BIT OF
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- EVERY WOUND, EVERY BIT OF ABUSE.
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- ABUSE. AND WE LAY IT AT THE FOOT OF
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- AND WE LAY IT AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS, AND WE SAY: JESUS,
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- THE CROSS, AND WE SAY: JESUS, WOULD YOU OPEN OUR EYES?
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- WOULD YOU OPEN OUR EYES? AND JUST LIKE DR. ROBYN SAID --
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- AND JUST LIKE DR. ROBYN SAID -- THAT NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME;
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- THAT NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME; THAT IT'S FOR ME.
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- THAT IT'S FOR ME. AND YOU'RE GONNA TURN
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- AND YOU'RE GONNA TURN EVERYTHING THAT THE ENEMY MEANT
- 00:25:08.999 --> 00:25:11.001
- EVERYTHING THAT THE ENEMY MEANT FOR MY DEMISE -- YOU'RE GONNA
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- FOR MY DEMISE -- YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.
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- MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.
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- BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. YOU GIVE BEAUTY FOR ASHES.
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- YOU GIVE BEAUTY FOR ASHES. SO, RIGHT NOW, WOULD YOU HEAL?
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- SO, RIGHT NOW, WOULD YOU HEAL? WOULD YOU GO TO THE VERY DEPTHS
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- WOULD YOU GO TO THE VERY DEPTHS OF THEIR HEARTS AND HEAL THAT
- 00:25:22.245 --> 00:25:25.048
- OF THEIR HEARTS AND HEAL THAT WHICH IS BROKEN AND LET JESUS
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- WHICH IS BROKEN AND LET JESUS MAKE SENSE OF IT?
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- MAKE SENSE OF IT? IN JESUS' NAME, WE PRAY...
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- IN JESUS' NAME, WE PRAY... AMEN.
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- AMEN. - DR. DEEDEE: AMEN.
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- - DR. DEEDEE: AMEN. - LISA: AMEN.
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- - LISA: AMEN. - LAURIE CROUCH:
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- - LAURIE CROUCH: CONNECT WITH US ON SOCIAL MEDIA
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- CONNECT WITH US ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND LET US KNOW HOW OUR TEAM
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- AND LET US KNOW HOW OUR TEAM CAN PRAY FOR YOU.
- 00:25:39.997 --> 00:25:44.234
- CAN PRAY FOR YOU. HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT ON
- 00:25:44.301 --> 00:25:44.901
- HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT ON "BETTER TOGETHER":
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- "BETTER TOGETHER": - ROBYN: THE OLDER I GET, THE
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- - ROBYN: THE OLDER I GET, THE MORE COMMITTED I AM TO GROWING.
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- MORE COMMITTED I AM TO GROWING. - LAURIE: WATCH "BETTER
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- - LAURIE: WATCH "BETTER TOGETHER," WEEKDAYS AND TUESDAY
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- TOGETHER," WEEKDAYS AND TUESDAY NIGHTS, RIGHT HERE ON TBN.
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