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Praise | Joyce Meyer | August 31, 2020

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  • [MUSIC][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]- MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT, ON
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  • - MALE ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT, ON"PRAISE"
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  • "PRAISE"FROM DALLAS: NEW YORK
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  • FROM DALLAS: NEW YORKTIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR AND
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  • TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR ANDBIBLE TEACHER...
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  • BIBLE TEACHER...JOYCE MEYER.
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  • JOYCE MEYER.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]AND, NOW, MATT AND LAURIE
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  • AND, NOW, MATT AND LAURIECROUCH.
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  • CROUCH.- MATT CROUCH: SO, WE HAVE TO
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  • - MATT CROUCH: SO, WE HAVE TOPRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH.
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  • PRACTICE WHAT WE PREACH.I HAVE TO DO IT AFRAID.
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  • I HAVE TO DO IT AFRAID.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]I'M A LITTLE AFRAID, RIGHT NOW,
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  • I'M A LITTLE AFRAID, RIGHT NOW,BECAUSE WHEN JOYCE AND LAURIE
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  • BECAUSE WHEN JOYCE AND LAURIEGET TOGETHER, OFTENTIMES, I
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  • GET TOGETHER, OFTENTIMES, IFADE INTO THE BACKGROUND.
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  • FADE INTO THE BACKGROUND.AND THAT'S OKAY.
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  • AND THAT'S OKAY."DO IT AFRAID"...
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  • "DO IT AFRAID"...[JOYCE CHUCKLING]
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  • [JOYCE CHUCKLING]...IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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  • ...IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.JOYCE, THIS IS YOUR NEW--
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  • JOYCE, THIS IS YOUR NEW--BRAND-NEW BOOK.
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  • BRAND-NEW BOOK.IT IS THEMATICALLY, THOUGH,
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  • IT IS THEMATICALLY, THOUGH,A PART OF KIND OF, UH, SOME
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  • A PART OF KIND OF, UH, SOMEOF YOUR HIGHEST-SELLING BOOKS,
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  • OF YOUR HIGHEST-SELLING BOOKS,OR THE MOST IN-DEMAND
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  • OR THE MOST IN-DEMANDCONTENT THAT YOU DO.
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  • CONTENT THAT YOU DO."DO IT AFRAID" IS A
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  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS ABRAND-NEW BOOK.
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  • BRAND-NEW BOOK.WE'RE IN 2020.
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  • WE'RE IN 2020.IF THE PANDEMIC AND RACIAL
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  • IF THE PANDEMIC AND RACIALTENSIONS AND MURDER HORNETS
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  • TENSIONS AND MURDER HORNETSAND DUST CLOUDS FROM THE
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  • AND DUST CLOUDS FROM THESAHARA DESERT AREN'T ENOUGH...
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  • SAHARA DESERT AREN'T ENOUGH...[LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGHING]
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  • [LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGHING]...THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS,
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  • ...THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS,IF YOU WANT TO BE AFRAID.
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  • IF YOU WANT TO BE AFRAID.- JOYCE MEYER: OH, YEAH.
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  • - JOYCE MEYER: OH, YEAH.- MATT: LOT TO BE AFRAID
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  • - MATT: LOT TO BE AFRAIDABOUT.
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  • ABOUT.SO, HOW DO YOU WANT TO START
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  • SO, HOW DO YOU WANT TO STARTOPENING THIS DOOR?
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  • OPENING THIS DOOR?BECAUSE, THIS IS SOMETHING
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  • BECAUSE, THIS IS SOMETHINGTHAT IS
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  • THAT IS--TALK ABOUT A WORD IN SEASON.
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  • --TALK ABOUT A WORD IN SEASON.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
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  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- LAURIE CROUCH: YEP.
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  • - LAURIE CROUCH: YEP.- MATT: THIS IS A WORD IN
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  • - MATT: THIS IS A WORD INSEASON.
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  • SEASON.- JOYCE: OF COURSE, I HAD NO
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  • - JOYCE: OF COURSE, I HAD NOIDEA WHEN I WROTE THE BOOK
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  • IDEA WHEN I WROTE THE BOOKTHAT IT WOULD BE COMING OUT
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  • THAT IT WOULD BE COMING OUTAT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
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  • AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW GOD KNOWS
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  • ISN'T IT AMAZING HOW GOD KNOWSSO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO?
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  • SO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO?- LAURIE: I KNOW.
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  • - LAURIE: I KNOW.- MATT: ISN'T THAT AMAZING?
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  • - MATT: ISN'T THAT AMAZING?- JOYCE: THIS IS DIFFERENT.
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  • - JOYCE: THIS IS DIFFERENT."DO IT AFRAID" IS DIFFERENT.
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  • "DO IT AFRAID" IS DIFFERENT.AND I'VE BEEN TEACHING ON THIS
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  • BUT, PEOPLE THINK, WHEN THE
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  • BUT, PEOPLE THINK, WHEN THEBIBLE SAYS "FEAR NOT," THAT
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  • BIBLE SAYS "FEAR NOT," THATTHEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO
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  • THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TOFEEL FEAR.
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  • FEEL FEAR.AND SO, I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS,
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  • AND SO, I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS,WASTED A LOT OF YEARS, PRAYING
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  • WASTED A LOT OF YEARS, PRAYINGFOR GOD TO MAKE THE FEAR
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  • "GOD, TAKE AWAY THIS FEAR."
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  • "GOD, TAKE AWAY THIS FEAR."BUT, IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.
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  • BUT, IT'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY.[MATT CHUCKLES]
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  • [MATT CHUCKLES]YOU MAY OVERCOME IT IN ONE
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  • YOU MAY OVERCOME IT IN ONEAREA, BUT IT'S GONNA COME BACK
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  • AREA, BUT IT'S GONNA COME BACKIN ANOTHER AREA.
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  • IN ANOTHER AREA.AND, THE WORD "FEAR" IN THE
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  • AND, THE WORD "FEAR" IN THEORIGINAL LANGUAGE MEANS TO TAKE
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  • ORIGINAL LANGUAGE MEANS TO TAKEFLIGHT OR TO RUN AWAY FROM.
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  • FLIGHT OR TO RUN AWAY FROM.- LAURIE: MMH.
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  • - LAURIE: MMH.- JOYCE: SO, FOR EXAMPLE,
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  • - JOYCE: SO, FOR EXAMPLE,WHEN GOD TOLD JOSHUA,
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  • WHEN GOD TOLD JOSHUA,"FEAR NOT,"
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  • "FEAR NOT,"HE WASN'T TELLING HIM NOT
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  • HE WASN'T TELLING HIM NOTTO FEEL FEAR.
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  • TO FEEL FEAR.HE WAS PRETTY MUCH TELLING HIM:
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  • HE WAS PRETTY MUCH TELLING HIM:YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL FEAR.
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  • YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL FEAR.BUT WHEN YOU DO, DON'T RUN.
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  • BUT WHEN YOU DO, DON'T RUN.DO WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU TO DO,
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  • DO WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU TO DO,BECAUSE I AM WITH YOU.
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  • BECAUSE I AM WITH YOU.THE ONLY REASON THAT GOD EVER
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  • THE ONLY REASON THAT GOD EVERGIVES IN THE WORD THAT I CAN
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  • GIVES IN THE WORD THAT I CANFIND FOR US NOT TO FEAR IS
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  • FIND FOR US NOT TO FEAR IS"FEAR NOT, BECAUSE I AM
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  • "FEAR NOT, BECAUSE I AMWITH YOU."
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  • WITH YOU."HE DOESN'T TELL US WHAT HE'S
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  • HE DOESN'T TELL US WHAT HE'SGONNA DO, OR WHEN HE'S GONNA DO
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  • GONNA DO, OR WHEN HE'S GONNA DOIT.
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  • IT.HE JUST WANTS US TO TRUST HIM
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  • HE JUST WANTS US TO TRUST HIMENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT HE LOVES
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  • ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT HE LOVESUS, AND, THEREFORE, WE DON'T
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  • US, AND, THEREFORE, WE DON'THAVE TO BE AFRAID BECAUSE HE
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  • HAVE TO BE AFRAID BECAUSE HEWILL...SHOW US WHAT TO DO.
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  • WILL...SHOW US WHAT TO DO.SO, THE ONLY ANTIDOTE FOR FEAR
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  • SO, THE ONLY ANTIDOTE FOR FEARIS FAITH.
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  • IS FAITH.WHEN FEAR KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR,
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  • WHEN FEAR KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR,SEND FAITH TO ANSWER.
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  • SEND FAITH TO ANSWER.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
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  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: YOU HAVE TO--
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  • - JOYCE: YOU HAVE TO--AND FAITH STEPS OUT.
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  • AND FAITH STEPS OUT.IT STEPS OUT INTO THE UNKNOWN.
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  • IT STEPS OUT INTO THE UNKNOWN.YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHEN
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  • YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHENJOSHUA WAS TOLD TO CROSS
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  • JOSHUA WAS TOLD TO CROSSTHE JORDAN.
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  • THE JORDAN.AND, HE HAD TO PUT HIS FOOT IN
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  • AND, HE HAD TO PUT HIS FOOT INTHE WATER BEFORE THE
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  • THE WATER BEFORE THEWATER PARTED.
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  • WATER PARTED.- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: WELL, YOU GUYS HAVE
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  • - JOYCE: WELL, YOU GUYS HAVESPENT YOUR LIFE DOING THAT.
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  • SPENT YOUR LIFE DOING THAT.YOUR MOM AND DAD DID.
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  • YOUR MOM AND DAD DID.DAVE AND I DID.
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  • DAVE AND I DID.WHEN WE LOOK BACK TO THE
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  • WHEN WE LOOK BACK TO THEBEGINNING OUR MINISTRY AND THE
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  • BEGINNING OUR MINISTRY AND THETHINGS THAT WE DID, I THINK:
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  • THINGS THAT WE DID, I THINK:HOW IN THE WORLD DID I HAVE THE
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  • HOW IN THE WORLD DID I HAVE THECOURAGE TO DO THAT?
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  • COURAGE TO DO THAT?WHY WOULD I EVEN HAVE
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  • WHY WOULD I EVEN HAVEBELIEVED...THAT GOD COULD USE
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  • BELIEVED...THAT GOD COULD USEME TO DO WHAT I'M DOIN' NOW?
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  • ME TO DO WHAT I'M DOIN' NOW?YOU KNOW, WHEN GOD GIVES YOU A
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  • YOU KNOW, WHEN GOD GIVES YOU ADREAM, OR A VISION FOR YOUR
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  • DREAM, OR A VISION FOR YOURLIFE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
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  • LIFE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THATYOU CAN JUST...GET AWAY FROM.
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  • YOU CAN JUST...GET AWAY FROM.IT'S LIKE: IT'S THERE TO STAY
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  • IT'S LIKE: IT'S THERE TO STAYAND YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO DO
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  • AND YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO DOSOMETHING ABOUT IT OR YOU'RE
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  • SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR YOU'REGONNA BE...PRETTY MISERABLE.
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  • GONNA BE...PRETTY MISERABLE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, UH...THIS WHOLE
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  • - JOYCE: AND, UH...THIS WHOLEMESSAGE CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT
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  • MESSAGE CAME ABOUT AS A RESULTOF A STORY THAT I HEARD.
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  • OF A STORY THAT I HEARD.SOMETHING I READ MANY YEARS
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  • SOMETHING I READ MANY YEARSAGO, WHEN I WAS STILL, LIKE,
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  • AGO, WHEN I WAS STILL, LIKE,TRYING TO PRAY FEAR OUT
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  • TRYING TO PRAY FEAR OUTOF MY LIFE.
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  • OF MY LIFE.[MATT CHUCKLES]
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  • [MATT CHUCKLES]AND I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE
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  • AND I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLEWATCHING TODAY, THEY'RE JUST
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  • WATCHING TODAY, THEY'RE JUSTLIKE: WELL, IF THE FEAR WOULD
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  • LIKE: WELL, IF THE FEAR WOULDJUST GO AWAY, IF THIS FEAR
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  • JUST GO AWAY, IF THIS FEARWOULD JUST GO AWAY...
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  • WOULD JUST GO AWAY...BUT, GOD DOESN'T WANNA TAKE
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  • BUT, GOD DOESN'T WANNA TAKEYOUR FEAR AWAY.
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  • YOUR FEAR AWAY.HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGE TO
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  • HE WANTS TO GIVE YOU COURAGE TOGO AHEAD AND DO WHAT HE'S
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  • GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT HE'STELLING YOU TO DO...WHILE YOU
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  • TELLING YOU TO DO...WHILE YOUSTILL FEEL...AFRAID.
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  • STILL FEEL...AFRAID.YOU NEVER GET VICTORY OVER
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  • YOU NEVER GET VICTORY OVERANYTHING RUNNING AWAY FROM IT.
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  • ANYTHING RUNNING AWAY FROM IT.- MATT: HMH.
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  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: THE ONLY WAY YOU GET
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  • - JOYCE: THE ONLY WAY YOU GETVICTORY IS TO FACE IT, CONFRONT
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  • VICTORY IS TO FACE IT, CONFRONTIT, GO THROUGH IT, AND
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  • IT, GO THROUGH IT, ANDCONQUER IT.
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  • CONQUER IT.AND WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OTHER
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  • AND WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OTHERSIDE OF IT, YOU FIND OUT THAT A
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  • SIDE OF IT, YOU FIND OUT THAT ALOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU
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  • LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOUFEARED...FIRST OF ALL, THEY
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  • FEARED...FIRST OF ALL, THEYDON'T EVEN HAPPEN.
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  • DON'T EVEN HAPPEN.OR, SECONDLY, IF THEY DO, THEY
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  • OR, SECONDLY, IF THEY DO, THEYWEREN'T NEARLY AS BAD AS THE
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  • WEREN'T NEARLY AS BAD AS THEDEVIL HAD IT PLAYED UP IN YOUR
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  • DEVIL HAD IT PLAYED UP IN YOURMIND THAT IT WAS GONNA BE.
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  • MIND THAT IT WAS GONNA BE.BUT THIS WOMAN, WHO WAS A
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  • BUT THIS WOMAN, WHO WAS ACHRISTIAN, WAS TALKING TO A
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  • CHRISTIAN, WAS TALKING TO ACHRISTIAN FRIEND OF HERS...
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  • CHRISTIAN FRIEND OF HERS...MOANING ABOUT THE FACT THAT SHE
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  • MOANING ABOUT THE FACT THAT SHEHAD BEEN PARALYZED BY FEAR ALL
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  • HAD BEEN PARALYZED BY FEAR ALLOF HER LIFE.
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  • OF HER LIFE.SHE WOULDN'T GO OUT AT NIGHT,
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  • SHE WOULDN'T GO OUT AT NIGHT,SHE WOULDN'T DRIVE A CAR.
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  • SHE WOULDN'T DRIVE A CAR.DIDN'T WANNA BE IN CROWDS.
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  • DIDN'T WANNA BE IN CROWDS.I MEAN, JUST FEAR JUST
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  • I MEAN, JUST FEAR JUSTABSOLUTELY CONTROLLED HER.
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  • ABSOLUTELY CONTROLLED HER.AND, UH...SO, SHE WAS KIND OF
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  • AND, UH...SO, SHE WAS KIND OFLIKE...WANTIN' SOME SYMPATHY,
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  • LIKE...WANTIN' SOME SYMPATHY,SOME MINISTRY, SOME COMFORT.
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  • SOME MINISTRY, SOME COMFORT.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND THE WOMAN JUST LOOKED AT
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  • AND THE WOMAN JUST LOOKED ATHER AND SAID, "WELL, WHY DON'T
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  • HER AND SAID, "WELL, WHY DON'TYOU JUST DO IT AFRAID?"
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  • YOU JUST DO IT AFRAID?"AND WHEN I READ THAT
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  • AND WHEN I READ THATSTORY, IT WAS JUST LIKE ALL
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  • STORY, IT WAS JUST LIKE ALLTHESE THINGS CAME
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  • THESE THINGS CAMETOGETHER FOR ME, AT ONCE.
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  • TOGETHER FOR ME, AT ONCE.BUT I THOUGHT: WELL, BEFORE I
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  • BUT I THOUGHT: WELL, BEFORE ISTART TEACHIN' THIS, I GOTTA
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  • START TEACHIN' THIS, I GOTTAMAKE SURE I CAN BACK IT UP
  • 00:05:45.001 --> 00:05:48.638
  • MAKE SURE I CAN BACK IT UPBIBLICALLY.
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  • BIBLICALLY.SO, WHEN I STUDIED THE WORD
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  • SO, WHEN I STUDIED THE WORD"FEAR" IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE
  • 00:05:51.407 --> 00:05:53.776
  • "FEAR" IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGEAND SAW THAT IT MEANT TO TAKE
  • 00:05:53.776 --> 00:05:56.846
  • AND SAW THAT IT MEANT TO TAKEFLIGHT, OR TO RUN AWAY FROM, I
  • 00:05:56.846 --> 00:06:00.750
  • FLIGHT, OR TO RUN AWAY FROM, IKNEW THAT WAS MY BACKING.
  • 00:06:00.750 --> 00:06:03.352
  • KNEW THAT WAS MY BACKING.BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.
  • 00:06:03.352 --> 00:06:04.587
  • BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.WHEN THEY'RE AFRAID, THEY RUN
  • 00:06:04.587 --> 00:06:05.822
  • WHEN THEY'RE AFRAID, THEY RUNAWAY FROM THINGS.
  • 00:06:05.822 --> 00:06:07.824
  • AWAY FROM THINGS.I CAN TALK ABOUT, LIKE...MY
  • 00:06:07.824 --> 00:06:09.091
  • I CAN TALK ABOUT, LIKE...MYMOM, EVEN THOUGH SHE KNEW MY
  • 00:06:09.091 --> 00:06:11.260
  • MOM, EVEN THOUGH SHE KNEW MYDAD WAS SEXUALLY ABUSING ME...
  • 00:06:11.260 --> 00:06:12.628
  • DAD WAS SEXUALLY ABUSING ME...WHAT MOTHER DOESN'T RESCUE HER
  • 00:06:12.628 --> 00:06:15.531
  • WHAT MOTHER DOESN'T RESCUE HERCHILDREN...
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  • CHILDREN...- MATT: MMH.
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  • - MATT: MMH.- JOYCE: ...FROM SOMETHING
  • 00:06:16.833 --> 00:06:17.867
  • - JOYCE: ...FROM SOMETHINGLIKE THAT?
  • 00:06:17.867 --> 00:06:18.501
  • LIKE THAT?WHAT SHE DID WAS HARDER FOR TO
  • 00:06:18.501 --> 00:06:19.502
  • WHAT SHE DID WAS HARDER FOR TOUNDERSTAND THAN WHAT HE DID.
  • 00:06:19.502 --> 00:06:20.837
  • UNDERSTAND THAN WHAT HE DID.- MATT: RIGHT.
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  • - MATT: RIGHT.- LAURIE: YEAH.
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  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW?
  • 00:06:22.939 --> 00:06:24.307
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW?BUT WHEN SHE FINALLY DID
  • 00:06:24.307 --> 00:06:27.310
  • BUT WHEN SHE FINALLY DIDAPOLOGIZE TO ME, WHICH WAS
  • 00:06:27.310 --> 00:06:28.177
  • APOLOGIZE TO ME, WHICH WAS30 YEARS AFTER I LEFT HOME,
  • 00:06:28.177 --> 00:06:30.446
  • 30 YEARS AFTER I LEFT HOME,SHE SAID, "I WAS AFRAID"
  • 00:06:30.446 --> 00:06:33.516
  • SHE SAID, "I WAS AFRAID""I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULD
  • 00:06:33.516 --> 00:06:35.818
  • "I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULDFACE THE SCANDAL,
  • 00:06:35.818 --> 00:06:38.221
  • FACE THE SCANDAL,AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULD
  • 00:06:38.221 --> 00:06:39.021
  • AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT I COULDTAKE CARE OF YOU AND
  • 00:06:39.021 --> 00:06:42.692
  • TAKE CARE OF YOU ANDYOUR BROTHER."
  • 00:06:42.692 --> 00:06:44.126
  • YOUR BROTHER."SO SHE LET THE FEAR THAT SHE
  • 00:06:44.126 --> 00:06:45.761
  • SO SHE LET THE FEAR THAT SHEFELT GIVE HER ALL KINDS OF
  • 00:06:45.761 --> 00:06:46.796
  • FELT GIVE HER ALL KINDS OFWRONG THINKING...
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  • WRONG THINKING...- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
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  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: AND SHE COULD
  • 00:06:48.531 --> 00:06:49.999
  • - JOYCE: AND SHE COULDHAVE DONE IT.
  • 00:06:49.999 --> 00:06:51.968
  • HAVE DONE IT.IF SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN BOLD AND
  • 00:06:51.968 --> 00:06:53.469
  • IF SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN BOLD ANDASKED GOD TO HELP HER, AND
  • 00:06:53.469 --> 00:06:55.271
  • ASKED GOD TO HELP HER, ANDTAKEN A STEP, SHE COULD HAVE
  • 00:06:55.271 --> 00:06:56.672
  • TAKEN A STEP, SHE COULD HAVEKEPT ME FROM MANY YEARS
  • 00:06:56.672 --> 00:07:02.478
  • KEPT ME FROM MANY YEARSOF AGONY.
  • 00:07:02.478 --> 00:07:03.312
  • OF AGONY.AND MY BROTHER'S LIFE
  • 00:07:03.312 --> 00:07:04.013
  • AND MY BROTHER'S LIFEWAS RUINED, TOO, BUT NOT FROM
  • 00:07:04.013 --> 00:07:05.381
  • WAS RUINED, TOO, BUT NOT FROMBEING SEXUALLY ABUSED, BUT JUST
  • 00:07:05.381 --> 00:07:07.116
  • BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED, BUT JUSTFROM BASICALLY NOT HAVING
  • 00:07:07.116 --> 00:07:10.353
  • FROM BASICALLY NOT HAVINGA FATHER.
  • 00:07:10.353 --> 00:07:13.456
  • A FATHER.BUT SHE RAN.
  • 00:07:13.456 --> 00:07:14.757
  • BUT SHE RAN.SHE RAN FROM WHAT SHE SHOULD
  • 00:07:14.757 --> 00:07:17.793
  • SHE RAN FROM WHAT SHE SHOULDHAVE CONFRONTED.
  • 00:07:17.793 --> 00:07:18.661
  • HAVE CONFRONTED.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:07:18.661 --> 00:07:19.295
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: AND HOW MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:07:19.295 --> 00:07:19.896
  • - JOYCE: AND HOW MANY PEOPLEWATCHING, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE
  • 00:07:19.896 --> 00:07:20.596
  • WATCHING, RIGHT NOW, THEY'REDOING THAT?
  • 00:07:20.596 --> 00:07:21.731
  • DOING THAT?THEY'RE RUNNING FROM WHAT THEY
  • 00:07:21.731 --> 00:07:24.901
  • THEY'RE RUNNING FROM WHAT THEYSHOULD CONFRONT.
  • 00:07:24.901 --> 00:07:26.035
  • SHOULD CONFRONT.OR, SOMETIMES, WE TRY TO PRAY
  • 00:07:26.035 --> 00:07:28.037
  • OR, SOMETIMES, WE TRY TO PRAYAWAY THINGS THAT GOD WANTS US
  • 00:07:28.037 --> 00:07:30.673
  • AWAY THINGS THAT GOD WANTS USTO DEAL WITH.
  • 00:07:30.673 --> 00:07:32.375
  • TO DEAL WITH.AND HE'S NOT GOING TO GET
  • 00:07:32.375 --> 00:07:33.809
  • AND HE'S NOT GOING TO GETRID OF IT.
  • 00:07:33.809 --> 00:07:35.811
  • RID OF IT.HE WANTS US TO DEAL WITH IT.
  • 00:07:35.811 --> 00:07:36.946
  • HE WANTS US TO DEAL WITH IT.AND SO, THAT WHOLE PRINCIPLE OF
  • 00:07:36.946 --> 00:07:38.080
  • AND SO, THAT WHOLE PRINCIPLE OF"DO IT AFRAID" HAS BECOME A
  • 00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:40.816
  • "DO IT AFRAID" HAS BECOME AVERY BIG FOR ME.
  • 00:07:40.816 --> 00:07:41.951
  • VERY BIG FOR ME.AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE OTHER
  • 00:07:41.951 --> 00:07:42.919
  • AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE OTHERSTORIES I CAN SHARE, BUT...
  • 00:07:42.919 --> 00:07:44.086
  • STORIES I CAN SHARE, BUT...- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:07:44.086 --> 00:07:46.222
  • - MATT: OKAY.LOOK -- WHAT I WAS SITTING
  • 00:07:46.222 --> 00:07:47.456
  • LOOK -- WHAT I WAS SITTINGTHERE THINKING ABOUT WHILE YOU
  • 00:07:47.456 --> 00:07:49.458
  • THERE THINKING ABOUT WHILE YOUWERE TALKING IS THE GUY THAT
  • 00:07:49.458 --> 00:07:52.862
  • WERE TALKING IS THE GUY THATHAS TO WALK ON STEEL GIRDERS,
  • 00:07:52.862 --> 00:07:55.298
  • HAS TO WALK ON STEEL GIRDERS,HIGH ABOVE NEW YORK CITY,
  • 00:07:55.298 --> 00:07:56.766
  • HIGH ABOVE NEW YORK CITY,BUILDING A NEW SKYSCRAPER...
  • 00:07:56.766 --> 00:08:00.503
  • BUILDING A NEW SKYSCRAPER...NEEDS FEAR.
  • 00:08:00.503 --> 00:08:01.270
  • NEEDS FEAR.HE NEEDS TO HAVE FEAR TO KEEP
  • 00:08:01.270 --> 00:08:03.239
  • HE NEEDS TO HAVE FEAR TO KEEPHIM FOCUSED--
  • 00:08:03.239 --> 00:08:03.906
  • HIM FOCUSED--- JOYCE: A RIGHT KIND OF FEAR.
  • 00:08:03.906 --> 00:08:04.674
  • - JOYCE: A RIGHT KIND OF FEAR.YEAH.
  • 00:08:04.674 --> 00:08:05.508
  • YEAH.- MATT: --YOU KNOW, ON
  • 00:08:05.508 --> 00:08:06.876
  • - MATT: --YOU KNOW, ONSTEPPING ON THE BEAM CORRECTLY
  • 00:08:06.876 --> 00:08:09.712
  • STEPPING ON THE BEAM CORRECTLYAND RESPECTING THIS THING.
  • 00:08:09.712 --> 00:08:12.481
  • AND RESPECTING THIS THING.SO, THE IDEA THAT FEAR-- WHEN
  • 00:08:12.481 --> 00:08:14.917
  • SO, THE IDEA THAT FEAR-- WHENYOU SEE A BEAR IN THE WOODS AND
  • 00:08:14.917 --> 00:08:16.619
  • YOU SEE A BEAR IN THE WOODS ANDYOU START RUNNING, FEAR HELPS
  • 00:08:16.619 --> 00:08:19.088
  • YOU START RUNNING, FEAR HELPSYOU RUN FASTER.
  • 00:08:19.088 --> 00:08:20.690
  • YOU RUN FASTER.- JOYCE: RIGHT. YEAH.
  • 00:08:20.690 --> 00:08:21.257
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT. YEAH.- MATT: HELPS YOU OUTRUN
  • 00:08:21.257 --> 00:08:21.657
  • - MATT: HELPS YOU OUTRUNYOUR FRIEND.
  • 00:08:21.657 --> 00:08:24.961
  • YOUR FRIEND.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
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  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND, SO, BASICALLY, WHAT WE
  • 00:08:25.795 --> 00:08:27.863
  • AND, SO, BASICALLY, WHAT WEHAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO WHAT?
  • 00:08:27.863 --> 00:08:29.332
  • HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO WHAT?ARE WE HAVING TO CHANNEL FEAR
  • 00:08:29.332 --> 00:08:32.201
  • ARE WE HAVING TO CHANNEL FEARCORRECTLY?
  • 00:08:32.201 --> 00:08:32.868
  • CORRECTLY?ARE WE HAVING TO CONTROL IT?
  • 00:08:32.868 --> 00:08:34.270
  • ARE WE HAVING TO CONTROL IT?WHAT WORD, WHAT ADJECTIVE?
  • 00:08:34.270 --> 00:08:36.572
  • WHAT WORD, WHAT ADJECTIVE?BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA NOT HAVE
  • 00:08:36.572 --> 00:08:37.740
  • BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA NOT HAVEFEAR -- BECAUSE IT HELPS US IN
  • 00:08:37.740 --> 00:08:38.774
  • FEAR -- BECAUSE IT HELPS US INTIMES OF TROUBLE.
  • 00:08:38.774 --> 00:08:40.543
  • TIMES OF TROUBLE.BUT WE DON'T WANT TO, WHAT?
  • 00:08:40.543 --> 00:08:41.744
  • BUT WE DON'T WANT TO, WHAT?DWELL IN IT?
  • 00:08:41.744 --> 00:08:42.845
  • DWELL IN IT?OR SIT IN IT, OR--
  • 00:08:42.845 --> 00:08:43.713
  • OR SIT IN IT, OR--- JOYCE: WELL, THERE'S A
  • 00:08:43.713 --> 00:08:44.714
  • - JOYCE: WELL, THERE'S ACHAPTER CALLED "TRADING FEAR
  • 00:08:44.714 --> 00:08:46.215
  • CHAPTER CALLED "TRADING FEARFOR FEAR."
  • 00:08:46.215 --> 00:08:48.217
  • FOR FEAR."- MATT: THERE YOU GO.
  • 00:08:48.217 --> 00:08:48.985
  • - MATT: THERE YOU GO.LET'S-- LET'S GO THERE.
  • 00:08:48.985 --> 00:08:49.685
  • LET'S-- LET'S GO THERE.- JOYCE: AND SO, THAT
  • 00:08:49.685 --> 00:08:50.519
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, THATPARTICULAR CHAPTER IS ABOUT
  • 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.755
  • PARTICULAR CHAPTER IS ABOUTTRADING ALL THESE FEARS THAT
  • 00:08:52.755 --> 00:08:54.390
  • TRADING ALL THESE FEARS THATKEEP US FROM DOING THINGS FOR
  • 00:08:54.390 --> 00:08:57.827
  • KEEP US FROM DOING THINGS FORTHE REVERENTIAL FEAR OF GOD.
  • 00:08:57.827 --> 00:08:58.928
  • THE REVERENTIAL FEAR OF GOD.- MATT: HMH.
  • 00:08:58.928 --> 00:08:59.595
  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE
  • 00:08:59.595 --> 00:09:00.796
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEREVERENTIAL FEAR AND AWE OF
  • 00:09:00.796 --> 00:09:01.998
  • REVERENTIAL FEAR AND AWE OFGOD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT
  • 00:09:01.998 --> 00:09:03.599
  • GOD, WHICH IS SOMETHING THATWE'RE REALLY MISSING TODAY...
  • 00:09:03.599 --> 00:09:04.867
  • WE'RE REALLY MISSING TODAY...- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:09:04.867 --> 00:09:05.468
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: I MEAN, WHEN'S THE
  • 00:09:05.468 --> 00:09:06.035
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, WHEN'S THELAST TIME YOU HEARD A SERMON
  • 00:09:06.035 --> 00:09:06.869
  • LAST TIME YOU HEARD A SERMONON--
  • 00:09:06.869 --> 00:09:07.336
  • ON--- LAURIE: THE FEAR OF
  • 00:09:07.336 --> 00:09:08.104
  • - LAURIE: THE FEAR OFTHE LORD.
  • 00:09:08.104 --> 00:09:08.638
  • THE LORD.- JOYCE: --THE FEAR OF
  • 00:09:08.638 --> 00:09:10.272
  • - JOYCE: --THE FEAR OFTHE LORD.
  • 00:09:10.272 --> 00:09:13.876
  • THE LORD.PEOPLE DON'T--
  • 00:09:13.876 --> 00:09:14.410
  • PEOPLE DON'T--THEY'VE ALMOST GOTTEN TOO
  • 00:09:14.410 --> 00:09:14.977
  • THEY'VE ALMOST GOTTEN TOOMUCH OVER INTO THE: GOD'S
  • 00:09:14.977 --> 00:09:15.578
  • MUCH OVER INTO THE: GOD'SMY FRIEND...
  • 00:09:15.578 --> 00:09:15.978
  • MY FRIEND...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:09:15.978 --> 00:09:16.812
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND HE LOVES ME,
  • 00:09:16.812 --> 00:09:18.180
  • - JOYCE: ...AND HE LOVES ME,NO MATTER WHAT.
  • 00:09:18.180 --> 00:09:19.181
  • NO MATTER WHAT.AND...AND SO, WHY SHOULD I BE
  • 00:09:19.181 --> 00:09:19.949
  • AND...AND SO, WHY SHOULD I BEAFRAID OF GOD?
  • 00:09:19.949 --> 00:09:21.217
  • AFRAID OF GOD?WELL, WE'RE NOT TO BE
  • 00:09:21.217 --> 00:09:22.752
  • WELL, WE'RE NOT TO BEAFRAID OF GOD, IN A WRONG WAY,
  • 00:09:22.752 --> 00:09:25.921
  • AFRAID OF GOD, IN A WRONG WAY,LIKE HE'S GONNA HURT US.
  • 00:09:25.921 --> 00:09:26.756
  • LIKE HE'S GONNA HURT US.BUT, JUST LIKE THAT STEEL BEAM,
  • 00:09:26.756 --> 00:09:28.758
  • BUT, JUST LIKE THAT STEEL BEAM,YOU HAVE A REVERENTIAL FEAR OF
  • 00:09:28.758 --> 00:09:32.261
  • YOU HAVE A REVERENTIAL FEAR OFTHAT BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T TREAT
  • 00:09:32.261 --> 00:09:34.463
  • THAT BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T TREATIT RESPECTFULLY -- IF YOU GET
  • 00:09:34.463 --> 00:09:37.667
  • IT RESPECTFULLY -- IF YOU GETUP THERE ARE GET SLOPPY
  • 00:09:37.667 --> 00:09:38.434
  • UP THERE ARE GET SLOPPYOR...JUST NOT PAYIN' ATTENTION,
  • 00:09:38.434 --> 00:09:39.435
  • OR...JUST NOT PAYIN' ATTENTION,YOU'RE GONNA GET KILLED.
  • 00:09:39.435 --> 00:09:40.636
  • YOU'RE GONNA GET KILLED.SAME WAY IF A BEAR IS
  • 00:09:40.636 --> 00:09:42.104
  • SAME WAY IF A BEAR ISCOMIN' AFTER YOU.
  • 00:09:42.104 --> 00:09:43.506
  • COMIN' AFTER YOU.YOU GOTTA HAVE REVERENTIAL
  • 00:09:43.506 --> 00:09:44.640
  • YOU GOTTA HAVE REVERENTIALFEAR OF THAT BEAR BECAUSE
  • 00:09:44.640 --> 00:09:45.508
  • FEAR OF THAT BEAR BECAUSEIT HAS THE POWER
  • 00:09:45.508 --> 00:09:48.577
  • IT HAS THE POWERTO KILL YOU.
  • 00:09:48.577 --> 00:09:49.178
  • TO KILL YOU.YOU DON'T WANNA STEP OUT IN
  • 00:09:49.178 --> 00:09:50.913
  • YOU DON'T WANNA STEP OUT INTRAFFIC AND BE--
  • 00:09:50.913 --> 00:09:51.614
  • TRAFFIC AND BE--- LAURIE: IT'S A HEALTHY FEAR.
  • 00:09:51.614 --> 00:09:52.214
  • - LAURIE: IT'S A HEALTHY FEAR.- JOYCE: YEAH, IT'S A HEALTHY
  • 00:09:52.214 --> 00:09:52.648
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, IT'S A HEALTHYFEAR.
  • 00:09:52.648 --> 00:09:53.616
  • FEAR.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:09:53.616 --> 00:09:54.450
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: IT'S A FEAR THAT--
  • 00:09:54.450 --> 00:09:55.217
  • - JOYCE: IT'S A FEAR THAT--THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.
  • 00:09:55.217 --> 00:09:56.285
  • THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE.SO, YES, THERE ARE FEARS THAT
  • 00:09:56.285 --> 00:09:57.153
  • SO, YES, THERE ARE FEARS THATWE NEED TO HAVE.
  • 00:09:57.153 --> 00:10:00.156
  • WE NEED TO HAVE.BUT, WE SHOULD NOT FEAR, FIRST
  • 00:10:00.156 --> 00:10:02.358
  • BUT, WE SHOULD NOT FEAR, FIRSTOF ALL, ANYTHING THAT WE
  • 00:10:02.358 --> 00:10:03.859
  • OF ALL, ANYTHING THAT WEBELIEVE THAT GOD IS SPEAKING TO
  • 00:10:03.859 --> 00:10:05.161
  • BELIEVE THAT GOD IS SPEAKING TOUS TO DO.
  • 00:10:05.161 --> 00:10:05.928
  • US TO DO.- MATT: HMHH.
  • 00:10:05.928 --> 00:10:06.562
  • - MATT: HMHH.- JOYCE: OR SHOWING US TO DO.
  • 00:10:06.562 --> 00:10:07.997
  • - JOYCE: OR SHOWING US TO DO.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:10:07.997 --> 00:10:10.232
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: WE CAN DO AND WE
  • 00:10:10.232 --> 00:10:15.071
  • - JOYCE: WE CAN DO AND WESHOULD DO, EVEN WHILE WE FEEL
  • 00:10:15.071 --> 00:10:16.305
  • SHOULD DO, EVEN WHILE WE FEELAFRAID.
  • 00:10:16.305 --> 00:10:17.139
  • AFRAID.DO YOU WANT ME TO
  • 00:10:17.139 --> 00:10:18.040
  • DO YOU WANT ME TOTELL A STORY THAT MAKES
  • 00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:19.508
  • TELL A STORY THAT MAKESTHE POINT?
  • 00:10:19.508 --> 00:10:20.676
  • THE POINT?- LAURIE: YEAH...PLEASE.
  • 00:10:20.676 --> 00:10:21.510
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...PLEASE.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:10:21.510 --> 00:10:22.645
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK.
  • 00:10:22.645 --> 00:10:23.612
  • YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK.[LAUGHS]
  • 00:10:23.612 --> 00:10:24.246
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: NO, I DON'T HAVE TO
  • 00:10:24.246 --> 00:10:31.987
  • - JOYCE: NO, I DON'T HAVE TOASK.
  • 00:10:31.987 --> 00:10:34.490
  • ASK.WHEN-- WHEN DAVE AND I WERE--
  • 00:10:34.490 --> 00:10:35.224
  • WHEN-- WHEN DAVE AND I WERE--BEFORE WE WERE IN MINISTRY, WE
  • 00:10:35.224 --> 00:10:36.992
  • BEFORE WE WERE IN MINISTRY, WEBOTH WORKED -- OF COURSE,
  • 00:10:36.992 --> 00:10:37.526
  • BOTH WORKED -- OF COURSE,FULL-TIME.
  • 00:10:37.526 --> 00:10:38.728
  • FULL-TIME.I HAD A VERY GOOD JOB.
  • 00:10:38.728 --> 00:10:40.229
  • I HAD A VERY GOOD JOB.I HAD THREE CHILDREN.
  • 00:10:40.229 --> 00:10:41.363
  • I HAD THREE CHILDREN.UM...I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING
  • 00:10:41.363 --> 00:10:43.399
  • UM...I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHINGABOUT THE BIBLE.
  • 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:44.266
  • ABOUT THE BIBLE.I MEAN, I HAD READ A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:10:44.266 --> 00:10:45.201
  • I MEAN, I HAD READ A LITTLE BITOF THE BIBLE AND I WENT TO
  • 00:10:45.201 --> 00:10:46.368
  • OF THE BIBLE AND I WENT TOCHURCH, BUT I WASN'T CERTAINLY
  • 00:10:46.368 --> 00:10:47.670
  • CHURCH, BUT I WASN'T CERTAINLYIN ANY CONDITION TO TEACH
  • 00:10:47.670 --> 00:10:51.707
  • IN ANY CONDITION TO TEACHTHE WORD OF GOD.
  • 00:10:51.707 --> 00:10:52.141
  • THE WORD OF GOD.SO, I KNEW I NEEDED
  • 00:10:52.141 --> 00:10:53.209
  • SO, I KNEW I NEEDEDTO STUDY.
  • 00:10:53.209 --> 00:10:54.143
  • TO STUDY.BUT I COULDN'T GO OFF TO BIBLE
  • 00:10:54.143 --> 00:10:54.710
  • BUT I COULDN'T GO OFF TO BIBLECOLLEGE.
  • 00:10:54.710 --> 00:10:55.845
  • COLLEGE.I COULDN'T DO THAT.
  • 00:10:55.845 --> 00:10:57.313
  • I COULDN'T DO THAT.I HAD A FAMILY.
  • 00:10:57.313 --> 00:10:59.648
  • I HAD A FAMILY.SO...
  • 00:10:59.648 --> 00:11:01.117
  • SO...BUT I KNEW IF I COULD STUDY, IF
  • 00:11:01.117 --> 00:11:04.320
  • BUT I KNEW IF I COULD STUDY, IFI COULD FIND TIME TO STUDY THAT
  • 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:04.954
  • I COULD FIND TIME TO STUDY THATGOD WOULD REVEAL THINGS TO ME.
  • 00:11:04.954 --> 00:11:09.558
  • GOD WOULD REVEAL THINGS TO ME.AND SO, I WANTED TO STUDY IN
  • 00:11:09.558 --> 00:11:10.826
  • AND SO, I WANTED TO STUDY INTHE AREA WHERE I HAD PROBLEMS.
  • 00:11:10.826 --> 00:11:11.961
  • THE AREA WHERE I HAD PROBLEMS.I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE: IF YOU
  • 00:11:11.961 --> 00:11:13.129
  • I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE: IF YOUGOT A BAD TEMPER, STUDYING
  • 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:14.130
  • GOT A BAD TEMPER, STUDYINGPROSPERITY'S NOT GONNA HELP
  • 00:11:14.130 --> 00:11:15.397
  • PROSPERITY'S NOT GONNA HELPYOU.
  • 00:11:15.397 --> 00:11:15.998
  • YOU.- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.
  • 00:11:15.998 --> 00:11:17.233
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, YOU NEED
  • 00:11:17.233 --> 00:11:18.100
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, YOU NEEDTO...
  • 00:11:18.100 --> 00:11:18.634
  • TO...[MATT LAUGHING]
  • 00:11:18.634 --> 00:11:19.435
  • [MATT LAUGHING]...STUDY WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
  • 00:11:19.435 --> 00:11:20.369
  • ...STUDY WHAT THE BIBLE SAYSABOUT ANGER, AND, YOU KNOW...
  • 00:11:20.369 --> 00:11:20.936
  • ABOUT ANGER, AND, YOU KNOW...[LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:20.936 --> 00:11:21.604
  • [LAUGHS]- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:11:21.604 --> 00:11:22.905
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: [LAUGHING]
  • 00:11:22.905 --> 00:11:23.639
  • - JOYCE: [LAUGHING]WELL, IT'S TRUE, RIGHT?
  • 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:24.473
  • WELL, IT'S TRUE, RIGHT?- MATT: YEAH, YEAH.
  • 00:11:24.473 --> 00:11:25.508
  • - MATT: YEAH, YEAH.IT'S HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE.
  • 00:11:25.508 --> 00:11:26.142
  • IT'S HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE.- JOYCE: WE DON'T EVEN STUDY
  • 00:11:26.142 --> 00:11:26.876
  • - JOYCE: WE DON'T EVEN STUDYTHE BIBLE CORRECTLY SOMETIMES.
  • 00:11:26.876 --> 00:11:27.543
  • THE BIBLE CORRECTLY SOMETIMES.- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:11:27.543 --> 00:11:29.779
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: IT'S NOT JUST:
  • 00:11:29.779 --> 00:11:30.646
  • - JOYCE: IT'S NOT JUST:OH, WELL, MY LIFE IS MESSED UP;
  • 00:11:30.646 --> 00:11:31.113
  • OH, WELL, MY LIFE IS MESSED UP;I THINK I'LL JUST...
  • 00:11:31.113 --> 00:11:32.248
  • I THINK I'LL JUST...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:32.248 --> 00:11:32.915
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...YOU KNOW, READ LEVITICUS.
  • 00:11:32.915 --> 00:11:33.449
  • ...YOU KNOW, READ LEVITICUS.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:11:33.449 --> 00:11:34.483
  • [LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT--
  • 00:11:34.483 --> 00:11:35.484
  • YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT--[ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:11:35.484 --> 00:11:37.186
  • [ALL LAUGHING]THAT COULD MESS YOU UP
  • 00:11:37.186 --> 00:11:38.921
  • THAT COULD MESS YOU UPEVEN MORE IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:11:38.921 --> 00:11:39.755
  • EVEN MORE IF YOU DON'TREALLY TAKE TIME TO
  • 00:11:39.755 --> 00:11:40.489
  • REALLY TAKE TIME TOUNDERSTAND IT.
  • 00:11:40.489 --> 00:11:42.992
  • UNDERSTAND IT.SO, I REALLY BELIEVE IN
  • 00:11:42.992 --> 00:11:44.326
  • SO, I REALLY BELIEVE INSTUDYING THE WORD IN THE
  • 00:11:44.326 --> 00:11:45.361
  • STUDYING THE WORD IN THEAREA WHERE YOU NEED HELP.
  • 00:11:45.361 --> 00:11:45.761
  • AREA WHERE YOU NEED HELP.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:11:45.761 --> 00:11:47.296
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: OR, YOU KNOW, IF
  • 00:11:47.296 --> 00:11:47.863
  • - JOYCE: OR, YOU KNOW, IFYOU'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT
  • 00:11:47.863 --> 00:11:48.798
  • YOU'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINTWHERE YOU DON'T NEED ANY HELP,
  • 00:11:48.798 --> 00:11:49.732
  • WHERE YOU DON'T NEED ANY HELP,THEN, OF COURSE, YOU JUST--
  • 00:11:49.732 --> 00:11:50.266
  • THEN, OF COURSE, YOU JUST--- LAURIE: GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:11:50.266 --> 00:11:51.167
  • - LAURIE: GO TO HEAVEN.- JOYCE: --STUDY THE WORD, YOU
  • 00:11:51.167 --> 00:11:51.734
  • - JOYCE: --STUDY THE WORD, YOUKNOW.
  • 00:11:51.734 --> 00:11:52.468
  • KNOW.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:52.468 --> 00:11:52.968
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]YEAH, OR GO TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:11:52.968 --> 00:11:54.003
  • YEAH, OR GO TO HEAVEN.THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:11:54.003 --> 00:11:57.006
  • THAT'S GOOD.BUT, UM...YOU KNOW, I WOULD
  • 00:11:57.006 --> 00:11:58.507
  • BUT, UM...YOU KNOW, I WOULDSTUDY THE WORD IN THE AREAS
  • 00:11:58.507 --> 00:11:59.475
  • STUDY THE WORD IN THE AREASWHERE I NEEDED HELP, AND THEN
  • 00:11:59.475 --> 00:12:00.743
  • WHERE I NEEDED HELP, AND THENYOU FIND OUT PRETTY MUCH
  • 00:12:00.743 --> 00:12:01.944
  • YOU FIND OUT PRETTY MUCHEVERYBODY NEEDED HELP IN THE
  • 00:12:01.944 --> 00:12:03.579
  • EVERYBODY NEEDED HELP IN THESAME AREAS...
  • 00:12:03.579 --> 00:12:04.847
  • SAME AREAS...- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:04.847 --> 00:12:05.581
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: ...AND THEN I COULD
  • 00:12:05.581 --> 00:12:06.081
  • - JOYCE: ...AND THEN I COULDTEACH THOSE THINGS.
  • 00:12:06.081 --> 00:12:07.183
  • TEACH THOSE THINGS.SO, I STARTED REALLY FEELING
  • 00:12:07.183 --> 00:12:08.617
  • SO, I STARTED REALLY FEELINGLIKE THAT GOD WANTED ME TO QUIT
  • 00:12:08.617 --> 00:12:09.718
  • LIKE THAT GOD WANTED ME TO QUITMY JOB.
  • 00:12:09.718 --> 00:12:10.719
  • MY JOB.- MATT: HMH.
  • 00:12:10.719 --> 00:12:11.320
  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: NOW, I'M CERTAINLY
  • 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:11.887
  • - JOYCE: NOW, I'M CERTAINLYNOT RECOMMENDING THAT FOR
  • 00:12:11.887 --> 00:12:13.422
  • NOT RECOMMENDING THAT FOREVERYBODY.
  • 00:12:13.422 --> 00:12:14.356
  • EVERYBODY.YOU DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING
  • 00:12:14.356 --> 00:12:15.758
  • YOU DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHINGLIKE THAT UNLESS YOU REALLY...
  • 00:12:15.758 --> 00:12:19.929
  • LIKE THAT UNLESS YOU REALLY...KNOW THAT IT'S GOD.
  • 00:12:19.929 --> 00:12:21.096
  • KNOW THAT IT'S GOD.AND, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT
  • 00:12:21.096 --> 00:12:22.798
  • AND, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THATIT'S GOD, YOU CAN...TRY IT AND
  • 00:12:22.798 --> 00:12:24.433
  • IT'S GOD, YOU CAN...TRY IT ANDSEE IF HE PAYS YOUR BILLS FOR A
  • 00:12:24.433 --> 00:12:25.234
  • SEE IF HE PAYS YOUR BILLS FOR AWEEK.
  • 00:12:25.234 --> 00:12:26.368
  • WEEK.(LAUGHING) AND IF HE DOESN'T,
  • 00:12:26.368 --> 00:12:27.036
  • (LAUGHING) AND IF HE DOESN'T,YOU BETTER GO GET A JOB.
  • 00:12:27.036 --> 00:12:28.270
  • YOU BETTER GO GET A JOB.'CAUSE WHEN GOD TELLS YOU TO DO
  • 00:12:28.270 --> 00:12:29.238
  • 'CAUSE WHEN GOD TELLS YOU TO DOSOMETHING, HE ALWAYS PAYS FOR
  • 00:12:29.238 --> 00:12:34.610
  • SOMETHING, HE ALWAYS PAYS FORWHAT HE ORDERED.
  • 00:12:34.610 --> 00:12:35.544
  • WHAT HE ORDERED.SO, IT'S REALLY A FUNNY STORY,
  • 00:12:35.544 --> 00:12:36.378
  • SO, IT'S REALLY A FUNNY STORY,BECAUSE, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME
  • 00:12:36.378 --> 00:12:38.013
  • BECAUSE, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIMETO GET IN AGREEMENT WITH GOD
  • 00:12:38.013 --> 00:12:40.783
  • TO GET IN AGREEMENT WITH GODBECAUSE...OF FEAR.
  • 00:12:40.783 --> 00:12:41.350
  • BECAUSE...OF FEAR.- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:12:41.350 --> 00:12:42.151
  • - MATT: WOW.- JOYCE: I WAS AFRAID.
  • 00:12:42.151 --> 00:12:43.352
  • - JOYCE: I WAS AFRAID.WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
  • 00:12:43.352 --> 00:12:44.153
  • WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TOPAY OUR BILLS.
  • 00:12:44.153 --> 00:12:46.088
  • PAY OUR BILLS.WE WEREN'T-- WE WERE CLOSE, BUT
  • 00:12:46.088 --> 00:12:48.290
  • WE WEREN'T-- WE WERE CLOSE, BUTWE WERE, LIKE, $40 A MONTH
  • 00:12:48.290 --> 00:12:49.491
  • WE WERE, LIKE, $40 A MONTHSHORT OF BEING ABLE TO
  • 00:12:49.491 --> 00:12:50.025
  • SHORT OF BEING ABLE TOPAY OUR BILLS.
  • 00:12:50.025 --> 00:12:51.961
  • PAY OUR BILLS.PLUS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY
  • 00:12:51.961 --> 00:12:53.863
  • PLUS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANYMONEY FOR A FLAT TIRE, A
  • 00:12:53.863 --> 00:12:54.797
  • MONEY FOR A FLAT TIRE, ADOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, OR...
  • 00:12:54.797 --> 00:12:55.731
  • DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, OR...- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:12:55.731 --> 00:12:56.665
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: ...ANY KIND OF
  • 00:12:56.665 --> 00:12:57.299
  • - JOYCE: ...ANY KIND OFREPAIR, ANYTHING THAT CAME UP.
  • 00:12:57.299 --> 00:12:58.067
  • REPAIR, ANYTHING THAT CAME UP.- LAURIE: EMERGENCY.
  • 00:12:58.067 --> 00:12:59.335
  • - LAURIE: EMERGENCY.- JOYCE: SO, IT WAS...IT WAS
  • 00:12:59.335 --> 00:13:00.402
  • - JOYCE: SO, IT WAS...IT WASTOUGH TO DO THAT.
  • 00:13:00.402 --> 00:13:01.136
  • TOUGH TO DO THAT.REALLY TOUGH.
  • 00:13:01.136 --> 00:13:04.273
  • REALLY TOUGH.SO, I QUIT MY JOB, BUT I GOT A
  • 00:13:04.273 --> 00:13:06.942
  • SO, I QUIT MY JOB, BUT I GOT APART-TIME JOB.
  • 00:13:06.942 --> 00:13:08.944
  • PART-TIME JOB.AND HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK
  • 00:13:08.944 --> 00:13:10.412
  • AND HOW MANY PEOPLE THINKPART-TIME OBEDIENCE IS GOING TO
  • 00:13:10.412 --> 00:13:11.914
  • PART-TIME OBEDIENCE IS GOING TOSATISFY GOD?
  • 00:13:11.914 --> 00:13:12.915
  • SATISFY GOD?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:13:12.915 --> 00:13:14.049
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- MATT: OH, WOW.
  • 00:13:14.049 --> 00:13:14.650
  • - MATT: OH, WOW.- JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, GOD
  • 00:13:14.650 --> 00:13:15.618
  • - JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, GODSAID: I WANT OBEDIENCE, NOT
  • 00:13:15.618 --> 00:13:17.419
  • SAID: I WANT OBEDIENCE, NOTSACRIFICE.
  • 00:13:17.419 --> 00:13:18.053
  • SACRIFICE.- LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:13:18.053 --> 00:13:18.754
  • - LAURIE: MMH...- JOYCE: WELL, I TRIED TO GIVE
  • 00:13:18.754 --> 00:13:19.588
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I TRIED TO GIVEHIM A SACRIFICE.
  • 00:13:19.588 --> 00:13:20.522
  • HIM A SACRIFICE.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:13:20.522 --> 00:13:21.090
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: I'LL QUITE MY
  • 00:13:21.090 --> 00:13:22.424
  • - JOYCE: I'LL QUITE MYFULL-TIME JOB, BUT I'LL HAVE
  • 00:13:22.424 --> 00:13:24.093
  • FULL-TIME JOB, BUT I'LL HAVETHIS LITTLE BACKUP PLAN, JUST
  • 00:13:24.093 --> 00:13:25.895
  • THIS LITTLE BACKUP PLAN, JUSTIN CASE YOU DON'T COME THROUGH.
  • 00:13:25.895 --> 00:13:27.529
  • IN CASE YOU DON'T COME THROUGH.- MATT: HMPH.
  • 00:13:27.529 --> 00:13:28.497
  • - MATT: HMPH.- JOYCE: [CHUCKLES]
  • 00:13:28.497 --> 00:13:28.998
  • - JOYCE: [CHUCKLES]DON'T WE LIKE THAT?
  • 00:13:28.998 --> 00:13:30.566
  • DON'T WE LIKE THAT?- LAURIE: YEAH...YEAH.
  • 00:13:30.566 --> 00:13:31.734
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW?
  • 00:13:31.734 --> 00:13:32.501
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW?- LAURIE: PLAN B.
  • 00:13:32.501 --> 00:13:33.002
  • - LAURIE: PLAN B.- JOYCE: I'M GONNA HAVE
  • 00:13:33.002 --> 00:13:33.669
  • - JOYCE: I'M GONNA HAVEANOTHER BACKUP PLAN, HERE, JUST
  • 00:13:33.669 --> 00:13:34.436
  • ANOTHER BACKUP PLAN, HERE, JUSTIN CASE GOD DOESN'T COME
  • 00:13:34.436 --> 00:13:36.805
  • IN CASE GOD DOESN'T COMETHROUGH.
  • 00:13:36.805 --> 00:13:38.007
  • THROUGH.AND SO, I GOT A PART-TIME JOB.
  • 00:13:38.007 --> 00:13:40.643
  • AND SO, I GOT A PART-TIME JOB.AND, I WAS NOT THE KIND OF
  • 00:13:40.643 --> 00:13:41.810
  • AND, I WAS NOT THE KIND OFPERSON TO EVER GET FIRED
  • 00:13:41.810 --> 00:13:43.379
  • PERSON TO EVER GET FIREDFROM A JOB.
  • 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:44.313
  • FROM A JOB.I MEAN, I WAS A GOOD WORKER, I
  • 00:13:44.313 --> 00:13:47.549
  • I MEAN, I WAS A GOOD WORKER, IUSUALLY GOT PROMOTED, DID WELL,
  • 00:13:47.549 --> 00:13:48.684
  • USUALLY GOT PROMOTED, DID WELL,OR GOT PUT IN CHARGE OF
  • 00:13:48.684 --> 00:13:49.251
  • OR GOT PUT IN CHARGE OFSOMETHING.
  • 00:13:49.251 --> 00:13:51.453
  • SOMETHING.BUT I WENT TO WORK AT THIS
  • 00:13:51.453 --> 00:13:54.123
  • BUT I WENT TO WORK AT THISCOMPANY, PART-TIME.
  • 00:13:54.123 --> 00:13:54.890
  • COMPANY, PART-TIME.ME AND ANOTHER GIRL WERE
  • 00:13:54.890 --> 00:13:56.325
  • ME AND ANOTHER GIRL WERESPLITTING A JOB.
  • 00:13:56.325 --> 00:13:58.027
  • SPLITTING A JOB.THREE DAYS ONE WEEK, TWO DAYS
  • 00:13:58.027 --> 00:13:59.061
  • THREE DAYS ONE WEEK, TWO DAYSTHE NEXT, ON AND OFF.
  • 00:13:59.061 --> 00:14:01.196
  • THE NEXT, ON AND OFF.AND I COULD NOT DO ANYTHING
  • 00:14:01.196 --> 00:14:02.965
  • AND I COULD NOT DO ANYTHINGRIGHT AT THAT PLACE.
  • 00:14:02.965 --> 00:14:04.700
  • RIGHT AT THAT PLACE.- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:14:04.700 --> 00:14:05.367
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: I MEAN, I WAS WORKING
  • 00:14:05.367 --> 00:14:06.035
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, I WAS WORKINGIN ACCOUNTING.
  • 00:14:06.035 --> 00:14:08.404
  • IN ACCOUNTING.AND, BACK THEN, THEY USED
  • 00:14:08.404 --> 00:14:09.805
  • AND, BACK THEN, THEY USEDBOOKKEEPING MACHINES, AND EVERY
  • 00:14:09.805 --> 00:14:11.106
  • BOOKKEEPING MACHINES, AND EVERYTIME I'D TOUCH THE THING, IT
  • 00:14:11.106 --> 00:14:11.707
  • TIME I'D TOUCH THE THING, ITWOULD BREAK DOWN.
  • 00:14:11.707 --> 00:14:12.241
  • WOULD BREAK DOWN.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:14:12.241 --> 00:14:12.808
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]I COULDN'T GET ANYTHING TO
  • 00:14:12.808 --> 00:14:13.776
  • I COULDN'T GET ANYTHING TOBALANCE RIGHT.
  • 00:14:13.776 --> 00:14:14.410
  • BALANCE RIGHT.I MEAN, IT WAS JUST, LIKE, THE
  • 00:14:14.410 --> 00:14:15.644
  • I MEAN, IT WAS JUST, LIKE, THECRAZIEST THING.
  • 00:14:15.644 --> 00:14:16.979
  • CRAZIEST THING.AND SO, I ENDED UP GETTIN'
  • 00:14:16.979 --> 00:14:18.747
  • AND SO, I ENDED UP GETTIN'FIRED!
  • 00:14:18.747 --> 00:14:21.250
  • FIRED![LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:14:21.250 --> 00:14:22.184
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS][MATT IN FIT OF BREATHLESS
  • 00:14:22.184 --> 00:14:24.219
  • [MATT IN FIT OF BREATHLESSLAUGHTER]
  • 00:14:24.219 --> 00:14:24.787
  • LAUGHTER]- JOYCE: BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:14:24.787 --> 00:14:25.821
  • - JOYCE: BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?GOD MADE HIS POINT:
  • 00:14:25.821 --> 00:14:26.355
  • GOD MADE HIS POINT:I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO GET A
  • 00:14:26.355 --> 00:14:27.389
  • I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO GET APART-TIME JOB SO YOU COULD
  • 00:14:27.389 --> 00:14:28.257
  • PART-TIME JOB SO YOU COULDSTILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF,
  • 00:14:28.257 --> 00:14:29.525
  • STILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF,IN CASE I DON'T COME THROUGH.
  • 00:14:29.525 --> 00:14:30.459
  • IN CASE I DON'T COME THROUGH.- MATT: THAT IS SO FUNNY.
  • 00:14:30.459 --> 00:14:31.260
  • - MATT: THAT IS SO FUNNY.- JOYCE: I TOLD YOU TO QUIT
  • 00:14:31.260 --> 00:14:35.764
  • - JOYCE: I TOLD YOU TO QUITYOUR JOB.
  • 00:14:35.764 --> 00:14:36.665
  • YOUR JOB.[MATT LAUGHING]
  • 00:14:36.665 --> 00:14:37.333
  • [MATT LAUGHING]I DID IT AFRAID.
  • 00:14:37.333 --> 00:14:37.967
  • I DID IT AFRAID.I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT TO CALL
  • 00:14:37.967 --> 00:14:38.968
  • I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT TO CALLIT AT THAT POINT, BUT I WAS
  • 00:14:38.968 --> 00:14:40.269
  • IT AT THAT POINT, BUT I WASSO.AFRAID.
  • 00:14:40.269 --> 00:14:42.137
  • SO.AFRAID.I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF
  • 00:14:42.137 --> 00:14:43.739
  • I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OFEXPERIENCE WITH GOD, BUT I'M
  • 00:14:43.739 --> 00:14:44.740
  • EXPERIENCE WITH GOD, BUT I'MLIKE: WELL, WHAT IF...?
  • 00:14:44.740 --> 00:14:45.407
  • LIKE: WELL, WHAT IF...?AND WHAT IF...?
  • 00:14:45.407 --> 00:14:45.975
  • AND WHAT IF...?AND WHAT IF...?
  • 00:14:45.975 --> 00:14:47.743
  • AND WHAT IF...?AND SO, GOD JUST PUT ON MY
  • 00:14:47.743 --> 00:14:48.644
  • AND SO, GOD JUST PUT ON MYHEART -- I WAS WALKIN' DOWN THE
  • 00:14:48.644 --> 00:14:51.947
  • HEART -- I WAS WALKIN' DOWN THEHALLWAY ONE DAY, RIGHT AFTER,
  • 00:14:51.947 --> 00:14:52.881
  • HALLWAY ONE DAY, RIGHT AFTER,I THINK, THE FIRST DAY
  • 00:14:52.881 --> 00:14:53.649
  • I THINK, THE FIRST DAYAFTER I'D QUIT MY JOB.
  • 00:14:53.649 --> 00:14:55.484
  • AFTER I'D QUIT MY JOB.AND, I WAS SO SCARED THAT MY
  • 00:14:55.484 --> 00:14:56.652
  • AND, I WAS SO SCARED THAT MYKNEES FELT LIKE THEY WERE GONNA
  • 00:14:56.652 --> 00:14:58.153
  • KNEES FELT LIKE THEY WERE GONNABUCKLE UNDER ME.
  • 00:14:58.153 --> 00:14:59.221
  • BUCKLE UNDER ME.AND GOD SAID: YOU CAN
  • 00:14:59.221 --> 00:15:02.057
  • AND GOD SAID: YOU CANEITHER BE AFRAID ALL THE TIME
  • 00:15:02.057 --> 00:15:03.425
  • EITHER BE AFRAID ALL THE TIMEAND WORRY, OR YOU CAN TRUST ME
  • 00:15:03.425 --> 00:15:05.661
  • AND WORRY, OR YOU CAN TRUST MEFOR DAILY MIRACLES.
  • 00:15:05.661 --> 00:15:06.195
  • FOR DAILY MIRACLES.- LAURIE: MMHHH, MMH...
  • 00:15:06.195 --> 00:15:08.430
  • - JOYCE: AND, WHEN I LOOK BACK
  • 00:15:10.532 --> 00:15:11.834
  • - JOYCE: AND, WHEN I LOOK BACKNOW, IT WAS LIKE SIX YEARS THAT
  • 00:15:11.834 --> 00:15:14.503
  • NOW, IT WAS LIKE SIX YEARS THATWE NEEDED A MIRACLE FROM GOD,
  • 00:15:14.503 --> 00:15:16.305
  • WE NEEDED A MIRACLE FROM GOD,BASICALLY, EVERY MONTH TO PAY
  • 00:15:16.305 --> 00:15:19.108
  • BASICALLY, EVERY MONTH TO PAYOUR BILLS, OR, IF ANYTHING
  • 00:15:19.108 --> 00:15:21.543
  • OUR BILLS, OR, IF ANYTHINGEXTRA WOULD COME UP.
  • 00:15:21.543 --> 00:15:22.644
  • EXTRA WOULD COME UP.I MEAN, I SPENT YEARS BUYING MY
  • 00:15:22.644 --> 00:15:23.812
  • I MEAN, I SPENT YEARS BUYING MYKIDS SHOES AND CLOTHES AND
  • 00:15:23.812 --> 00:15:27.282
  • IT WAS AMAZING WHAT
  • 00:15:28.450 --> 00:15:29.518
  • IT WAS AMAZING WHATI WOULD FIND!
  • 00:15:29.518 --> 00:15:31.020
  • I WOULD FIND!AT THOSE GARAGE SALES.
  • 00:15:31.020 --> 00:15:31.653
  • AT THOSE GARAGE SALES.YOU KNOW, GOD MEETS YOU WHERE
  • 00:15:31.653 --> 00:15:32.321
  • YOU KNOW, GOD MEETS YOU WHEREYOU'RE AT.
  • 00:15:32.321 --> 00:15:33.489
  • YOU'RE AT.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:15:33.489 --> 00:15:35.190
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, I MEAN, I'D
  • 00:15:35.190 --> 00:15:38.260
  • - JOYCE: AND, I MEAN, I'DGO TO THE GROCERY STORE, AND
  • 00:15:38.260 --> 00:15:40.429
  • GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, ANDI'D DIG AROUND THE DENTED-CAN
  • 00:15:40.429 --> 00:15:42.197
  • I'D DIG AROUND THE DENTED-CANBASKET; YOU KNOW, BUY THINGS
  • 00:15:42.197 --> 00:15:43.165
  • BASKET; YOU KNOW, BUY THINGSTHAT HAD NO LABELS ON 'EM.
  • 00:15:43.165 --> 00:15:44.633
  • THAT HAD NO LABELS ON 'EM.AND...YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, I'D
  • 00:15:44.633 --> 00:15:45.801
  • AND...YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, I'DGET CAT FOOD.
  • 00:15:45.801 --> 00:15:46.568
  • GET CAT FOOD.DIDN'T HAVE A CAT.
  • 00:15:46.568 --> 00:15:47.669
  • DIDN'T HAVE A CAT.[MATT GUFFAWS]
  • 00:15:47.669 --> 00:15:48.270
  • [MATT GUFFAWS]BUT, SOMETIMES, I'D GET SOME
  • 00:15:48.270 --> 00:15:49.038
  • BUT, SOMETIMES, I'D GET SOMEREALLY GOOD STUFF.
  • 00:15:49.038 --> 00:15:52.141
  • REALLY GOOD STUFF.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:15:52.141 --> 00:15:52.808
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: I'D BUY DAY-OLD BREAD,
  • 00:15:52.808 --> 00:15:54.076
  • - JOYCE: I'D BUY DAY-OLD BREAD,AND I REMEMBER THE DAY GOD
  • 00:15:54.076 --> 00:15:54.977
  • AND I REMEMBER THE DAY GODSAID TO ME:
  • 00:15:54.977 --> 00:15:55.544
  • SAID TO ME:DON'T YOU THINK THAT I CAN
  • 00:15:55.544 --> 00:15:56.245
  • DON'T YOU THINK THAT I CANAFFORD FOR YOU TO HAVE FRESH
  • 00:15:56.245 --> 00:15:56.945
  • AFFORD FOR YOU TO HAVE FRESHBREAD?
  • 00:15:56.945 --> 00:15:58.113
  • BREAD?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:15:58.113 --> 00:15:59.114
  • [LAUGHS]SO, HERE, AGAIN, IT WAS THAT
  • 00:15:59.114 --> 00:16:01.050
  • SO, HERE, AGAIN, IT WAS THATSTEPPING OUT.
  • 00:16:01.050 --> 00:16:02.451
  • STEPPING OUT.I WAS DOING EVERYTHING
  • 00:16:02.451 --> 00:16:03.285
  • I WAS DOING EVERYTHINGIN FEAR.
  • 00:16:03.285 --> 00:16:03.819
  • IN FEAR.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:16:03.819 --> 00:16:04.453
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: I WAS TRYING TO SAVE
  • 00:16:04.453 --> 00:16:06.922
  • - JOYCE: I WAS TRYING TO SAVEMONEY EVERYPLACE THAT I COULD
  • 00:16:06.922 --> 00:16:08.624
  • MONEY EVERYPLACE THAT I COULDSAVE MONEY.
  • 00:16:08.624 --> 00:16:12.528
  • SAVE MONEY.I DON'T KNOW WHY IT TOOK
  • 00:16:12.528 --> 00:16:15.631
  • I DON'T KNOW WHY IT TOOKSO LONG, BUT...
  • 00:16:15.631 --> 00:16:16.432
  • SO LONG, BUT...SEE, NOW-- WE NEEDED $40 A
  • 00:16:16.432 --> 00:16:17.666
  • SEE, NOW-- WE NEEDED $40 AMONTH, THEN.
  • 00:16:17.666 --> 00:16:19.234
  • MONTH, THEN.[JOYCE CHUCKLES]
  • 00:16:19.234 --> 00:16:20.402
  • [JOYCE CHUCKLES]BUT YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEY
  • 00:16:20.402 --> 00:16:22.404
  • BUT YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MONEYIT TAKES TO BE ON TELEVISION
  • 00:16:22.404 --> 00:16:22.871
  • IT TAKES TO BE ON TELEVISIONALL OVER THE WORLD.
  • 00:16:22.871 --> 00:16:23.372
  • ALL OVER THE WORLD.YOU KNOW.
  • 00:16:23.372 --> 00:16:23.972
  • YOU KNOW.YOU LOVE ME AND YOU DON'T LET
  • 00:16:23.972 --> 00:16:25.974
  • YOU LOVE ME AND YOU DON'T LETME ON YOUR NETWORK FREE.
  • 00:16:25.974 --> 00:16:26.675
  • ME ON YOUR NETWORK FREE.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:16:26.675 --> 00:16:28.177
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]YOU KNOW?
  • 00:16:28.177 --> 00:16:28.677
  • YOU KNOW?[DISSOLVES LAUGHING]
  • 00:16:28.677 --> 00:16:29.378
  • [DISSOLVES LAUGHING]NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOME--
  • 00:16:29.378 --> 00:16:30.612
  • NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOME--- LAURIE: I'M SORRY.
  • 00:16:30.612 --> 00:16:31.480
  • - LAURIE: I'M SORRY.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:32.147
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]- JOYCE: WELL, I'M JUST MAKIN'
  • 00:16:32.147 --> 00:16:32.514
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I'M JUST MAKIN'A POINT THAT--
  • 00:16:32.514 --> 00:16:33.382
  • A POINT THAT--- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:16:33.382 --> 00:16:34.450
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: --YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA
  • 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:35.451
  • - JOYCE: --YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTAPAY YOUR BILLS.
  • 00:16:35.451 --> 00:16:36.418
  • PAY YOUR BILLS.- LAURIE: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:16:36.418 --> 00:16:37.286
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.- JOYCE: (LAUGHING) I GOTTA
  • 00:16:37.286 --> 00:16:37.853
  • - JOYCE: (LAUGHING) I GOTTAPAY MY BILLS.
  • 00:16:37.853 --> 00:16:38.253
  • PAY MY BILLS.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:16:38.253 --> 00:16:38.954
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.YEAH.
  • 00:16:38.954 --> 00:16:39.988
  • YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, I DON'T KNOW
  • 00:16:39.988 --> 00:16:40.956
  • - JOYCE: AND, I DON'T KNOWWHAT KIND OF IDEAS THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:16:40.956 --> 00:16:41.957
  • WHAT KIND OF IDEAS THAT PEOPLEHAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL
  • 00:16:41.957 --> 00:16:43.025
  • HAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOSPELIS FREE, BUT THE PIPELINE THAT
  • 00:16:43.025 --> 00:16:44.126
  • IS FREE, BUT THE PIPELINE THATCARRIES IT IS NOT.
  • 00:16:44.126 --> 00:16:45.627
  • CARRIES IT IS NOT.- MATT AND LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:16:45.627 --> 00:16:47.429
  • - MATT AND LAURIE: RIGHT.- MATT: YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:16:47.429 --> 00:16:48.464
  • - MATT: YOU KNOW, THEPIPELINE THAT CARRIES THE
  • 00:16:48.464 --> 00:16:49.531
  • PIPELINE THAT CARRIES THEGOSPEL -- LET ME
  • 00:16:49.531 --> 00:16:50.232
  • GOSPEL -- LET METELL YOU SOMETHING.
  • 00:16:50.232 --> 00:16:51.066
  • TELL YOU SOMETHING.YOU WERE TELLING A STORY AND I
  • 00:16:51.066 --> 00:16:52.568
  • YOU WERE TELLING A STORY AND IJUST RELIVED A MOMENT BACK WITH
  • 00:16:52.568 --> 00:16:56.472
  • JUST RELIVED A MOMENT BACK WITHMY PARENTS.
  • 00:16:56.472 --> 00:16:57.306
  • MY PARENTS.I'VE NEVER TOLD THIS STORY, NOT
  • 00:16:57.306 --> 00:17:00.576
  • I'VE NEVER TOLD THIS STORY, NOTBECAUSE IT'S CONTROVERSIAL,
  • 00:17:00.576 --> 00:17:02.344
  • BECAUSE IT'S CONTROVERSIAL,ANYWAY.
  • 00:17:02.344 --> 00:17:03.011
  • ANYWAY.IT FITS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT
  • 00:17:03.011 --> 00:17:03.378
  • IT FITS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHATYOU'RE SAYING.
  • 00:17:03.378 --> 00:17:04.246
  • YOU'RE SAYING.I-- LITERALLY, I'M GONNA HAVE
  • 00:17:04.246 --> 00:17:06.381
  • I-- LITERALLY, I'M GONNA HAVETO KIND OF PIECE IT TOGETHER.
  • 00:17:06.381 --> 00:17:08.951
  • TO KIND OF PIECE IT TOGETHER.BUT MY DAD, IN THE VERY EARLY
  • 00:17:08.951 --> 00:17:10.886
  • BUT MY DAD, IN THE VERY EARLYDAYS OF TBN, REMINDED ME OF THE
  • 00:17:10.886 --> 00:17:13.155
  • DAYS OF TBN, REMINDED ME OF THEWAY YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:17:13.155 --> 00:17:14.857
  • WAY YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUTYOURSELF.
  • 00:17:14.857 --> 00:17:18.927
  • YOURSELF.HE WAS VERY FRUGAL, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:17:18.927 --> 00:17:19.428
  • HE WAS VERY FRUGAL, YOU KNOW?HE'D WALK BY AND FLIP
  • 00:17:19.428 --> 00:17:20.229
  • HE'D WALK BY AND FLIPSWITCHES OFF--
  • 00:17:20.229 --> 00:17:20.963
  • SWITCHES OFF--- LAURIE: THE LIGHTS OFF.
  • 00:17:20.963 --> 00:17:23.332
  • - LAURIE: THE LIGHTS OFF.- MATT: --AND THE LIGHTS OFF,
  • 00:17:23.332 --> 00:17:24.800
  • - MATT: --AND THE LIGHTS OFF,AND HE'D PICK UP SOMETHING
  • 00:17:24.800 --> 00:17:25.667
  • AND HE'D PICK UP SOMETHINGIN THE CARPET RATHER THAN
  • 00:17:25.667 --> 00:17:27.102
  • IN THE CARPET RATHER THANGETTIN' THE SWEEPER AND
  • 00:17:27.102 --> 00:17:28.303
  • GETTIN' THE SWEEPER ANDPLUGGIN' IT IN.
  • 00:17:28.303 --> 00:17:28.837
  • PLUGGIN' IT IN.AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS
  • 00:17:28.837 --> 00:17:29.705
  • AND, YOU KNOW, HE WASJUST SUPER FRUGAL.
  • 00:17:29.705 --> 00:17:30.205
  • JUST SUPER FRUGAL.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:17:30.205 --> 00:17:31.006
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: YOU KNOW, MY DAD WAS
  • 00:17:31.006 --> 00:17:32.007
  • - MATT: YOU KNOW, MY DAD WASLIKE THAT ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:17:32.007 --> 00:17:35.777
  • LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME.AND, BY THE TIME TBN WAS BEING
  • 00:17:35.777 --> 00:17:40.282
  • AND, BY THE TIME TBN WAS BEINGBIRTHED, IN 1973, MY DAD
  • 00:17:40.282 --> 00:17:42.050
  • BIRTHED, IN 1973, MY DADOPERATED A SMALL LITTLE
  • 00:17:42.050 --> 00:17:43.385
  • OPERATED A SMALL LITTLEBUSINESS OUT OF OUR GARAGE.
  • 00:17:43.385 --> 00:17:44.386
  • BUSINESS OUT OF OUR GARAGE.IN FACT, A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT
  • 00:17:44.386 --> 00:17:46.088
  • IN FACT, A COUPLE OF 'EM THATTAUGHT PAUL, JR. AND I
  • 00:17:46.088 --> 00:17:47.923
  • TAUGHT PAUL, JR. AND IPHOTOGRAPHY AND ALL THAT KIND
  • 00:17:47.923 --> 00:17:50.125
  • PHOTOGRAPHY AND ALL THAT KINDOF STUFF.
  • 00:17:50.125 --> 00:17:50.759
  • OF STUFF.WE WERE OPERATING THESE LITTLE
  • 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:51.627
  • WE WERE OPERATING THESE LITTLEBUSINESSES AND HE HAD A JOB.
  • 00:17:51.627 --> 00:17:52.895
  • BUSINESSES AND HE HAD A JOB.HE WAS WORKING FOR ANOTHER
  • 00:17:52.895 --> 00:17:54.029
  • HE WAS WORKING FOR ANOTHERTV CHANNEL.
  • 00:17:54.029 --> 00:17:57.266
  • TV CHANNEL.AND BY THE TIME I'M 10 YEARS
  • 00:17:57.266 --> 00:17:59.601
  • AND BY THE TIME I'M 10 YEARSOLD, MAYBE, MY PARENTS
  • 00:17:59.601 --> 00:18:03.105
  • OLD, MAYBE, MY PARENTSHAD SAVED -- BY BEING
  • 00:18:03.105 --> 00:18:06.108
  • HAD SAVED -- BY BEINGSUPER FRUGAL, DRIVING OLD CARS,
  • 00:18:06.108 --> 00:18:07.075
  • SUPER FRUGAL, DRIVING OLD CARS,NOT HAVING A NEW CAR, ANY OF
  • 00:18:07.075 --> 00:18:08.977
  • NOT HAVING A NEW CAR, ANY OFTHAT KIND OF STUFF, $20.000.
  • 00:18:08.977 --> 00:18:11.813
  • THAT KIND OF STUFF, $20.000.NOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IN 1973--
  • 00:18:11.813 --> 00:18:12.581
  • NOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IN 1973--- JOYCE: THAT WAS A
  • 00:18:12.581 --> 00:18:13.482
  • - JOYCE: THAT WAS ALOT OF MONEY.
  • 00:18:13.482 --> 00:18:14.283
  • LOT OF MONEY.- MATT: --THAT WAS A NICE
  • 00:18:14.283 --> 00:18:16.485
  • - MATT: --THAT WAS A NICELITTLE SAVINGS KIND OF THING.
  • 00:18:16.485 --> 00:18:21.690
  • LITTLE SAVINGS KIND OF THING.AND...TBN NEEDED IT.
  • 00:18:21.690 --> 00:18:23.392
  • AND...TBN NEEDED IT.SO, HE LOANED IT TO TBN.
  • 00:18:23.392 --> 00:18:28.830
  • SO, HE LOANED IT TO TBN.HE WAS AFRAID TO GIVE IT.
  • 00:18:28.830 --> 00:18:29.364
  • HE WAS AFRAID TO GIVE IT.HE COULDN'T POSSIBLY WRAP
  • 00:18:29.364 --> 00:18:31.366
  • HE COULDN'T POSSIBLY WRAPHIS HEAD AROUND THE IDEA
  • 00:18:31.366 --> 00:18:33.869
  • HIS HEAD AROUND THE IDEATHAT THIS, WHAT THEY SPENT, YOU
  • 00:18:33.869 --> 00:18:36.905
  • THAT THIS, WHAT THEY SPENT, YOUKNOW, UH, FOR 15 YEARS OF THEIR
  • 00:18:36.905 --> 00:18:39.708
  • KNOW, UH, FOR 15 YEARS OF THEIRMARRIAGE SAVING, THAT YOU
  • 00:18:39.708 --> 00:18:41.410
  • MARRIAGE SAVING, THAT YOUCOULD POSSIBLY GIVE IT.
  • 00:18:41.410 --> 00:18:43.045
  • COULD POSSIBLY GIVE IT.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:18:43.045 --> 00:18:43.645
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: AND, THEY GOT TO A
  • 00:18:43.645 --> 00:18:46.381
  • - MATT: AND, THEY GOT TO APOINT IN TBN WHERE IT WAS
  • 00:18:46.381 --> 00:18:47.683
  • POINT IN TBN WHERE IT WASKIND OF A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT,
  • 00:18:47.683 --> 00:18:49.318
  • KIND OF A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT,YOU KNOW, AT THE PURCHASE OF
  • 00:18:49.318 --> 00:18:50.118
  • YOU KNOW, AT THE PURCHASE OFTHE FIRST CHANNEL.
  • 00:18:50.118 --> 00:18:50.919
  • THE FIRST CHANNEL.AND THERE WAS A-- I FORGET THE
  • 00:18:50.919 --> 00:18:51.653
  • AND THERE WAS A-- I FORGET THEEXACT TIMING --
  • 00:18:51.653 --> 00:18:56.592
  • EXACT TIMING --MY DAD IS PRAYING, WHILE
  • 00:18:56.592 --> 00:19:01.096
  • MY DAD IS PRAYING, WHILESOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING INTO
  • 00:19:01.096 --> 00:19:03.432
  • SOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING INTOTHE CAMERA, TRYING TO RAISE A
  • 00:19:03.432 --> 00:19:03.999
  • THE CAMERA, TRYING TO RAISE ALITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THE
  • 00:19:03.999 --> 00:19:06.468
  • LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN THEEARLY DAYS.
  • 00:19:06.468 --> 00:19:07.669
  • EARLY DAYS.I'M TALKIN' EARLY 70s, NOW.
  • 00:19:07.669 --> 00:19:10.739
  • I'M TALKIN' EARLY 70s, NOW.AND, HIS INNER MONOLOGUE WITH
  • 00:19:10.739 --> 00:19:11.873
  • AND, HIS INNER MONOLOGUE WITHGOD IS: GOD, I'VE DONE
  • 00:19:11.873 --> 00:19:15.310
  • GOD IS: GOD, I'VE DONEEVERYTHING.
  • 00:19:15.310 --> 00:19:16.712
  • EVERYTHING.I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING.
  • 00:19:16.712 --> 00:19:18.046
  • I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING.AND GOD WHISPERED TO HIM AND
  • 00:19:18.046 --> 00:19:18.747
  • AND GOD WHISPERED TO HIM ANDSAID: YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME
  • 00:19:18.747 --> 00:19:19.982
  • SAID: YOU DIDN'T GIVE METHAT MONEY.
  • 00:19:19.982 --> 00:19:21.116
  • THAT MONEY.YOU LOANED IT TO ME.
  • 00:19:21.116 --> 00:19:22.818
  • YOU LOANED IT TO ME.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:19:22.818 --> 00:19:23.585
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]YOU DIDN'T GIVE IT TO ME.
  • 00:19:23.585 --> 00:19:27.322
  • YOU DIDN'T GIVE IT TO ME.AND...AND HE SAID THAT, AT THAT
  • 00:19:27.322 --> 00:19:31.526
  • AND...AND HE SAID THAT, AT THATMOMENT, HE TOOK THE MICROPHONE
  • 00:19:31.526 --> 00:19:34.263
  • MOMENT, HE TOOK THE MICROPHONEBACK, GLANCED AT MY MOM, WHO
  • 00:19:34.263 --> 00:19:35.998
  • BACK, GLANCED AT MY MOM, WHOWAS ON THE TELEPHONES, TRYING
  • 00:19:35.998 --> 00:19:36.898
  • WAS ON THE TELEPHONES, TRYINGTO ANSWER CALLS, IF THEY WERE
  • 00:19:36.898 --> 00:19:39.868
  • TO ANSWER CALLS, IF THEY WERECOMING IN, AND JUST KIND OF
  • 00:19:39.868 --> 00:19:41.169
  • COMING IN, AND JUST KIND OFWINKED AT HER, AND THEN LOOKED
  • 00:19:41.169 --> 00:19:43.305
  • WINKED AT HER, AND THEN LOOKEDINTO THE CAMERA AND-- AND SAID:
  • 00:19:43.305 --> 00:19:46.008
  • INTO THE CAMERA AND-- AND SAID:"I'VE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION
  • 00:19:46.008 --> 00:19:48.443
  • "I'VE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATIONFROM A MAN WHO LOVES CHRISTIAN
  • 00:19:48.443 --> 00:19:49.911
  • FROM A MAN WHO LOVES CHRISTIANTELEVISION VERY, VERY MUCH THAT
  • 00:19:49.911 --> 00:19:52.447
  • TELEVISION VERY, VERY MUCH THATEVERY GIFT TONIGHT WILL BE
  • 00:19:52.447 --> 00:19:55.350
  • EVERY GIFT TONIGHT WILL BEMATCHED UP TO $20.000.
  • 00:19:55.350 --> 00:19:55.884
  • MATCHED UP TO $20.000.[JOYCE CHUCKLES]
  • 00:19:55.884 --> 00:19:56.752
  • [JOYCE CHUCKLES]IT'LL BE A GIFT.
  • 00:19:56.752 --> 00:19:57.653
  • IT'LL BE A GIFT.SO, WHATEVER YOU GIVE IS GONNA
  • 00:19:57.653 --> 00:19:59.721
  • SO, WHATEVER YOU GIVE IS GONNABE DOUBLED."
  • 00:19:59.721 --> 00:20:01.423
  • BE DOUBLED."AND THAT WAS HIS MONEY.
  • 00:20:01.423 --> 00:20:02.024
  • AND THAT WAS HIS MONEY.MY MOM'S SITTIN' BACK ON THE
  • 00:20:02.024 --> 00:20:03.425
  • MY MOM'S SITTIN' BACK ON THEPHONE GOING: "I CAN'T BELIEVE--
  • 00:20:03.425 --> 00:20:05.060
  • PHONE GOING: "I CAN'T BELIEVE--THIS IS-- THIS IS REALLY GOD."
  • 00:20:05.060 --> 00:20:05.794
  • THIS IS-- THIS IS REALLY GOD."BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT MY
  • 00:20:05.794 --> 00:20:07.796
  • BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT MYDAD'S NATURE.
  • 00:20:07.796 --> 00:20:08.563
  • DAD'S NATURE.HE COULDN'T DO THAT BACK THEN.
  • 00:20:08.563 --> 00:20:13.635
  • HE COULDN'T DO THAT BACK THEN.AND HE GOT GOOD AT IT IN HIS
  • 00:20:13.635 --> 00:20:14.469
  • AND HE GOT GOOD AT IT IN HISOLD AGE AND WAS GIVING MOST OF
  • 00:20:14.469 --> 00:20:16.038
  • OLD AGE AND WAS GIVING MOST OFHIS SALARY AWAY AT THE END.
  • 00:20:16.038 --> 00:20:18.507
  • HIS SALARY AWAY AT THE END.BUT, BASICALLY, THAT WAS A
  • 00:20:18.507 --> 00:20:20.008
  • BUT, BASICALLY, THAT WAS ABREAKING POINT IN TBN
  • 00:20:20.008 --> 00:20:23.078
  • BREAKING POINT IN TBNTHAT CHANGED--
  • 00:20:23.078 --> 00:20:24.680
  • THAT CHANGED--BUT HE HAD TO DO THAT...
  • 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:25.180
  • BUT HE HAD TO DO THAT...- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:20:25.180 --> 00:20:25.681
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: ...AFRAID.
  • 00:20:25.681 --> 00:20:26.548
  • - MATT: ...AFRAID.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:20:26.548 --> 00:20:27.182
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: AND IT WAS LITERALLY
  • 00:20:27.182 --> 00:20:28.750
  • - MATT: AND IT WAS LITERALLYLIKE LIGHTING THE FUSE TO WATCH
  • 00:20:28.750 --> 00:20:33.388
  • LIKE LIGHTING THE FUSE TO WATCHTBN GO FROM ONE LITTLE TV
  • 00:20:33.388 --> 00:20:35.891
  • TBN GO FROM ONE LITTLE TVSTATION IN LOS ANGELES TO 31
  • 00:20:35.891 --> 00:20:37.459
  • STATION IN LOS ANGELES TO 31DIFFERENT NETWORKS IN 17
  • 00:20:37.459 --> 00:20:38.460
  • DIFFERENT NETWORKS IN 17LANGUAGES AROUND THE WORLD...
  • 00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:39.761
  • LANGUAGES AROUND THE WORLD...- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:20:39.761 --> 00:20:40.696
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: ...AS WE SIT HERE 45
  • 00:20:40.696 --> 00:20:41.496
  • - MATT: ...AS WE SIT HERE 45YEARS LATER, ALMOST 50 YEARS
  • 00:20:41.496 --> 00:20:43.231
  • YEARS LATER, ALMOST 50 YEARSLATER, NOW.
  • 00:20:43.231 --> 00:20:47.836
  • LATER, NOW.AND SO, BASICALLY, I-- SOME OF
  • 00:20:47.836 --> 00:20:48.870
  • AND SO, BASICALLY, I-- SOME OFUS GREW UP IN THIS.
  • 00:20:48.870 --> 00:20:51.139
  • US GREW UP IN THIS.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:20:51.139 --> 00:20:52.407
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: SOME OF US GREW
  • 00:20:52.407 --> 00:20:53.208
  • - MATT: SOME OF US GREWUP...WATCHING THESE KIND OF
  • 00:20:53.208 --> 00:20:57.112
  • UP...WATCHING THESE KIND OFTHINGS HAPPEN.
  • 00:20:57.112 --> 00:20:59.147
  • THINGS HAPPEN.THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT THIS
  • 00:20:59.147 --> 00:21:01.383
  • THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT THISIS GENERATION ONE, ZERO.
  • 00:21:01.383 --> 00:21:03.085
  • IS GENERATION ONE, ZERO.THEY CAME FROM...HORRIBLE
  • 00:21:03.085 --> 00:21:04.453
  • THEY CAME FROM...HORRIBLESITUATIONS, AND-- AND-- LIKE
  • 00:21:04.453 --> 00:21:05.187
  • SITUATIONS, AND-- AND-- LIKEYOU DID.
  • 00:21:05.187 --> 00:21:06.988
  • YOU DID.GOD HAD TO REACH DOWN, JOYCE,
  • 00:21:06.988 --> 00:21:08.824
  • GOD HAD TO REACH DOWN, JOYCE,AND REALLY JUST START
  • 00:21:08.824 --> 00:21:10.826
  • AND REALLY JUST STARTDEVELOPING YOU AS A PERSON...
  • 00:21:10.826 --> 00:21:11.460
  • DEVELOPING YOU AS A PERSON...- JOYCE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:13.395
  • - JOYCE: OH, YEAH.- MATT: ...FROM-- FROM
  • 00:21:13.395 --> 00:21:14.496
  • - MATT: ...FROM-- FROMSCRATCH.
  • 00:21:14.496 --> 00:21:15.330
  • SCRATCH.- JOYCE: I MEAN, I WAS THE
  • 00:21:15.330 --> 00:21:16.331
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, I WAS THELEAST LIKELY PERSON IN THE
  • 00:21:16.331 --> 00:21:17.165
  • LEAST LIKELY PERSON IN THEWHOLE WORLD TO BE CALLED TO DO
  • 00:21:17.165 --> 00:21:18.300
  • WHOLE WORLD TO BE CALLED TO DOWHAT I WAS DOING.
  • 00:21:18.300 --> 00:21:18.867
  • WHAT I WAS DOING.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:21:18.867 --> 00:21:20.502
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: THE ONLY THING THAT I
  • 00:21:20.502 --> 00:21:21.069
  • - JOYCE: THE ONLY THING THAT IHAD GOING FOR ME WAS I-- I
  • 00:21:21.069 --> 00:21:22.871
  • HAD GOING FOR ME WAS I-- IREALLY DID LOVE GOD.
  • 00:21:22.871 --> 00:21:23.472
  • REALLY DID LOVE GOD.[MATT CHUCKLES]
  • 00:21:23.472 --> 00:21:25.741
  • [MATT CHUCKLES]AND I REALLY COULD TALK.
  • 00:21:25.741 --> 00:21:28.143
  • AND I REALLY COULD TALK.[ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:21:28.143 --> 00:21:28.777
  • [ALL LAUGHING]I JUST NEEDED TO LEARN HOW TO
  • 00:21:28.777 --> 00:21:29.311
  • I JUST NEEDED TO LEARN HOW TOTALK THE RIGHT WAY.
  • 00:21:29.311 --> 00:21:30.712
  • TALK THE RIGHT WAY.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:21:30.712 --> 00:21:32.447
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, UH...REALLY,
  • 00:21:32.447 --> 00:21:33.648
  • - JOYCE: AND, UH...REALLY,WHEN I LOOK BACK, WHAT-- WHAT
  • 00:21:33.648 --> 00:21:37.152
  • WHEN I LOOK BACK, WHAT-- WHATGOD HAS-- WHAT I'VE DONE -- BUT
  • 00:21:37.152 --> 00:21:38.353
  • GOD HAS-- WHAT I'VE DONE -- BUTI KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE IT
  • 00:21:38.353 --> 00:21:39.988
  • I KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ITWITHOUT GOD -- IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
  • 00:21:39.988 --> 00:21:41.456
  • WITHOUT GOD -- IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.- MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:21:41.456 --> 00:21:42.290
  • - MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: THERE'S NO WAY THAT I
  • 00:21:42.290 --> 00:21:44.893
  • - JOYCE: THERE'S NO WAY THAT ICOULD BE ON TV IN TWO-THIRDS OF
  • 00:21:44.893 --> 00:21:46.261
  • COULD BE ON TV IN TWO-THIRDS OFTHE WORLD IN OVER A HUNDRED
  • 00:21:46.261 --> 00:21:46.928
  • THE WORLD IN OVER A HUNDREDLANGUAGES...
  • 00:21:46.928 --> 00:21:48.797
  • LANGUAGES...- MATT: MMH!
  • 00:21:48.797 --> 00:21:49.431
  • - MATT: MMH!- JOYCE: ...AND SIT HERE AND
  • 00:21:49.431 --> 00:21:50.899
  • - JOYCE: ...AND SIT HERE ANDSAY WE HAVE NO DEBT.
  • 00:21:50.899 --> 00:21:52.334
  • SAY WE HAVE NO DEBT.- MATT: MMH.
  • 00:21:52.334 --> 00:21:53.201
  • - MATT: MMH.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:21:53.201 --> 00:21:53.935
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...IF IT WASN'T GOD.
  • 00:21:53.935 --> 00:21:54.870
  • - JOYCE: ...IF IT WASN'T GOD.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:21:54.870 --> 00:21:55.437
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: I MEAN, IT'S NOT
  • 00:21:55.437 --> 00:21:56.138
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, IT'S NOTPOSSIBLE.
  • 00:21:56.138 --> 00:21:56.805
  • POSSIBLE.I MEAN, IN THE NATURAL, I'M NOT
  • 00:21:56.805 --> 00:21:57.305
  • I MEAN, IN THE NATURAL, I'M NOTEVEN THAT SMART.
  • 00:21:57.305 --> 00:21:57.906
  • EVEN THAT SMART.- LAURIE: SO, IT SHOCKS YOU?
  • 00:21:57.906 --> 00:21:58.673
  • - LAURIE: SO, IT SHOCKS YOU?- JOYCE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:21:58.673 --> 00:21:59.608
  • - JOYCE: OH, YEAH.- LAURIE: IT SHOCKED-- IT
  • 00:21:59.608 --> 00:22:00.675
  • - LAURIE: IT SHOCKED-- ITSHOCKED PAPA AND MOM--
  • 00:22:00.675 --> 00:22:01.510
  • SHOCKED PAPA AND MOM--- MATT: MM-HMM.
  • 00:22:01.510 --> 00:22:02.477
  • - MATT: MM-HMM.- LAURIE: --WHEN WE LOOKED AT
  • 00:22:02.477 --> 00:22:03.111
  • - LAURIE: --WHEN WE LOOKED ATTBN AND JUST WENT: WHAT IN THE
  • 00:22:03.111 --> 00:22:03.678
  • TBN AND JUST WENT: WHAT IN THEWORLD HAPPENED?
  • 00:22:03.678 --> 00:22:04.112
  • WORLD HAPPENED?- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:22:04.112 --> 00:22:04.746
  • - MATT: YEAH.- LAURIE: IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE
  • 00:22:04.746 --> 00:22:05.847
  • - LAURIE: IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLEWHAT GOD HAS DONE.
  • 00:22:05.847 --> 00:22:07.382
  • WHAT GOD HAS DONE.- JOYCE: BUT YOU DO--
  • 00:22:07.382 --> 00:22:08.717
  • - JOYCE: BUT YOU DO--- LAURIE: BUT YOU WERE USABLE.
  • 00:22:08.717 --> 00:22:09.684
  • - LAURIE: BUT YOU WERE USABLE.(LAUGHING) AND YOU WERE AFRAID.
  • 00:22:09.684 --> 00:22:10.218
  • (LAUGHING) AND YOU WERE AFRAID.BUT THE FEAR OF THE LORD
  • 00:22:10.218 --> 00:22:10.719
  • BUT THE FEAR OF THE LORDWAS GREATER THAN YOUR
  • 00:22:10.719 --> 00:22:12.020
  • WAS GREATER THAN YOUROWN FEAR.
  • 00:22:12.020 --> 00:22:12.988
  • OWN FEAR.- JOYCE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:22:12.988 --> 00:22:15.157
  • - JOYCE: OH, YEAH.AND THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:22:15.157 --> 00:22:16.124
  • AND THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.MY FEAR OF DISOBEYING GOD.
  • 00:22:16.124 --> 00:22:16.725
  • MY FEAR OF DISOBEYING GOD.AND I WASN'T AFRAID LIKE HE
  • 00:22:16.725 --> 00:22:18.794
  • AND I WASN'T AFRAID LIKE HEWOULD HURT ME.
  • 00:22:18.794 --> 00:22:20.128
  • WOULD HURT ME.I DIDN'T WANNA DISAPPOINT HIM.
  • 00:22:20.128 --> 00:22:20.962
  • I DIDN'T WANNA DISAPPOINT HIM.- LAURIE: RIGHT EXACTLY.
  • 00:22:20.962 --> 00:22:22.063
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT EXACTLY.- JOYCE: SEE, WHEN YOU REALLY
  • 00:22:22.063 --> 00:22:22.564
  • - JOYCE: SEE, WHEN YOU REALLYLOVE GOD...
  • 00:22:22.564 --> 00:22:23.498
  • LOVE GOD...- LAURIE: YEAH, YEAH --
  • 00:22:23.498 --> 00:22:24.132
  • - LAURIE: YEAH, YEAH --AND EMBARRASS HIM?
  • 00:22:24.132 --> 00:22:24.599
  • AND EMBARRASS HIM?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:25.233
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: ...I MEAN, REALLY
  • 00:22:25.233 --> 00:22:25.834
  • - JOYCE: ...I MEAN, REALLYLOVE HIM...
  • 00:22:25.834 --> 00:22:26.301
  • LOVE HIM...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:26.301 --> 00:22:26.902
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THEN YOU-- JESUS
  • 00:22:26.902 --> 00:22:27.702
  • - JOYCE: ...THEN YOU-- JESUSSAID IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU'LL
  • 00:22:27.702 --> 00:22:28.170
  • SAID IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU'LLOBEY ME.
  • 00:22:28.170 --> 00:22:30.639
  • OBEY ME.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:30.639 --> 00:22:31.273
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, HE DID NOT
  • 00:22:31.273 --> 00:22:32.073
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, HE DID NOTSAY: IF YOU OBEY ME,
  • 00:22:32.073 --> 00:22:33.208
  • SAY: IF YOU OBEY ME,I WILL LOVE YOU.
  • 00:22:33.208 --> 00:22:35.410
  • I WILL LOVE YOU.HE ALREADY LOVES US.
  • 00:22:35.410 --> 00:22:35.844
  • HE ALREADY LOVES US.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:35.844 --> 00:22:38.413
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: BUT, THE PROOF OF OUR
  • 00:22:38.413 --> 00:22:39.047
  • - JOYCE: BUT, THE PROOF OF OURLOVE FOR GOD IS NOT JUST A FEW
  • 00:22:39.047 --> 00:22:40.382
  • LOVE FOR GOD IS NOT JUST A FEWLOOSE WORDS, EVERY NOW
  • 00:22:40.382 --> 00:22:40.849
  • LOOSE WORDS, EVERY NOWAND THEN.
  • 00:22:40.849 --> 00:22:42.184
  • AND THEN.IT'S: ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHAT
  • 00:22:42.184 --> 00:22:45.320
  • IT'S: ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHATGOD TELLS YOU TO DO?
  • 00:22:45.320 --> 00:22:48.023
  • GOD TELLS YOU TO DO?AND, WE DON'T HEAR-- WE DON'T
  • 00:22:48.023 --> 00:22:53.462
  • AND, WE DON'T HEAR-- WE DON'THEAR ENOUGH ABOUT OBEDIENCE.
  • 00:22:53.462 --> 00:22:54.296
  • HEAR ENOUGH ABOUT OBEDIENCE.WE-- YOU KNOW...SADLY, A LOT OF
  • 00:22:54.296 --> 00:22:54.896
  • WE-- YOU KNOW...SADLY, A LOT OFPEOPLE DON'T EVEN LIKE THOSE
  • 00:22:54.896 --> 00:22:55.564
  • PEOPLE DON'T EVEN LIKE THOSEKIND OF MESSAGES, ANYMORE.
  • 00:22:55.564 --> 00:22:56.131
  • KIND OF MESSAGES, ANYMORE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:22:56.131 --> 00:22:57.365
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, EVEN AS AN
  • 00:22:57.365 --> 00:23:00.302
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, EVEN AS ANAUTHOR -- AND I UNDERSTAND
  • 00:23:00.302 --> 00:23:01.069
  • AUTHOR -- AND I UNDERSTANDOUR PUBLISHERS NEED TO DO
  • 00:23:01.069 --> 00:23:03.038
  • OUR PUBLISHERS NEED TO DOTHIS -- BUT, EVERY TITLE...
  • 00:23:03.038 --> 00:23:03.572
  • THIS -- BUT, EVERY TITLE...EVERY TITLE HAS TO HAVE
  • 00:23:03.572 --> 00:23:07.075
  • EVERY TITLE HAS TO HAVEA PROMISE IN IT.
  • 00:23:07.075 --> 00:23:07.642
  • A PROMISE IN IT.- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:23:07.642 --> 00:23:08.577
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE
  • 00:23:08.577 --> 00:23:09.377
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKEIF YOU'RE NOT PROMISING THE
  • 00:23:09.377 --> 00:23:10.679
  • IF YOU'RE NOT PROMISING THEREADER SOMETHING, THEN THEY'RE
  • 00:23:10.679 --> 00:23:12.981
  • READER SOMETHING, THEN THEY'RENOT GOING TO...READ YOUR BOOK.
  • 00:23:12.981 --> 00:23:13.448
  • NOT GOING TO...READ YOUR BOOK.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:23:13.448 --> 00:23:15.584
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: AND...I JUST WISH
  • 00:23:15.584 --> 00:23:17.752
  • - JOYCE: AND...I JUST WISHTHAT-- I MEAN, I WISH YOU COULD
  • 00:23:17.752 --> 00:23:21.423
  • THAT-- I MEAN, I WISH YOU COULDWRITE A BOOK ON DYING TO SELF
  • 00:23:21.423 --> 00:23:22.858
  • WRITE A BOOK ON DYING TO SELFAND...(LAUGHING)...AND PEOPLE
  • 00:23:22.858 --> 00:23:23.425
  • AND...(LAUGHING)...AND PEOPLEWOULD...WOULD BUY IT.
  • 00:23:23.425 --> 00:23:24.159
  • WOULD...WOULD BUY IT.OR ON THE REVERENTIAL
  • 00:23:24.159 --> 00:23:24.693
  • OR ON THE REVERENTIALFEAR OF GOD...
  • 00:23:24.693 --> 00:23:25.193
  • FEAR OF GOD...- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:23:25.193 --> 00:23:25.827
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: ...AND PEOPLE WOULD
  • 00:23:25.827 --> 00:23:26.428
  • - JOYCE: ...AND PEOPLE WOULDJUST BUY THEM IN DROVES.
  • 00:23:26.428 --> 00:23:27.262
  • JUST BUY THEM IN DROVES.BECAUSE THE THINGS WE
  • 00:23:27.262 --> 00:23:28.163
  • BECAUSE THE THINGS WEREALLY NEED...
  • 00:23:28.163 --> 00:23:28.663
  • REALLY NEED...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:28.663 --> 00:23:29.364
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...WE SEEM TO BE
  • 00:23:29.364 --> 00:23:31.500
  • - JOYCE: ...WE SEEM TO BETRYING...TO AVOID.
  • 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:34.002
  • TRYING...TO AVOID.- LAURIE: HOW DO WE-- HOW DO
  • 00:23:34.002 --> 00:23:35.203
  • - LAURIE: HOW DO WE-- HOW DOWE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
  • 00:23:35.203 --> 00:23:37.038
  • WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCEBETWEEN THE FEAR, BETWEEN
  • 00:23:37.038 --> 00:23:38.373
  • BETWEEN THE FEAR, BETWEENFEAR AND PRESSING THROUGH,
  • 00:23:38.373 --> 00:23:39.441
  • FEAR AND PRESSING THROUGH,AND FEAR THAT ALERTS US
  • 00:23:39.441 --> 00:23:44.179
  • AND FEAR THAT ALERTS USAS A WARNING?
  • 00:23:44.179 --> 00:23:44.813
  • AS A WARNING?- JOYCE: WELL, LIKE I SAID, I
  • 00:23:44.813 --> 00:23:46.248
  • - JOYCE: WELL, LIKE I SAID, ITHINK IT'S A MATTER OF...
  • 00:23:46.248 --> 00:23:48.583
  • THINK IT'S A MATTER OF...THE KIND OF THING I'M TALKING
  • 00:23:48.583 --> 00:23:51.052
  • THE KIND OF THING I'M TALKINGABOUT IS...THIS IS EITHER
  • 00:23:51.052 --> 00:23:52.587
  • ABOUT IS...THIS IS EITHERSOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY,
  • 00:23:52.587 --> 00:23:53.922
  • SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY,REALLY WANT TO DO -- LIKE, FOR
  • 00:23:53.922 --> 00:23:54.923
  • REALLY WANT TO DO -- LIKE, FOREXAMPLE, I'M NOT A
  • 00:23:54.923 --> 00:23:57.158
  • EXAMPLE, I'M NOT AGOOD SWIMMER.
  • 00:23:57.158 --> 00:23:57.792
  • GOOD SWIMMER.I ALMOST DROWNED WHEN I WAS A
  • 00:23:57.792 --> 00:23:59.461
  • I ALMOST DROWNED WHEN I WAS AKID, AND SO, I'M...I WOULD BE
  • 00:23:59.461 --> 00:24:04.099
  • KID, AND SO, I'M...I WOULD BEAFRAID OF DEEP WATER.
  • 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:05.300
  • AFRAID OF DEEP WATER.AND I HAVE NO DESIRE TO BECOME
  • 00:24:05.300 --> 00:24:07.168
  • AND I HAVE NO DESIRE TO BECOMEA GREAT SWIMMER.
  • 00:24:07.168 --> 00:24:08.036
  • A GREAT SWIMMER.- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.
  • 00:24:08.036 --> 00:24:09.738
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.THAT'S OVER.
  • 00:24:09.738 --> 00:24:10.372
  • THAT'S OVER.- JOYCE: SO...I WOULD STAY
  • 00:24:10.372 --> 00:24:12.140
  • - JOYCE: SO...I WOULD STAYOUT OF DEEP WATER.
  • 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:13.441
  • OUT OF DEEP WATER.I STAY OUT OF ALL WATER, NOW,
  • 00:24:13.441 --> 00:24:16.278
  • I STAY OUT OF ALL WATER, NOW,BUT WHEN I...USED TO GO
  • 00:24:16.278 --> 00:24:17.712
  • BUT WHEN I...USED TO GOSWIMMING AND SWIM WITH MY KIDS
  • 00:24:17.712 --> 00:24:18.213
  • SWIMMING AND SWIM WITH MY KIDSAND STUFF.
  • 00:24:18.213 --> 00:24:21.650
  • AND STUFF.NOW, IF I REALLY WANTED...TO
  • 00:24:21.650 --> 00:24:25.854
  • NOW, IF I REALLY WANTED...TOSWIM, IT WAS REALLY A DESIRE IN
  • 00:24:25.854 --> 00:24:27.389
  • SWIM, IT WAS REALLY A DESIRE INMY HEART, THEN I SHOULD NOT LET
  • 00:24:27.389 --> 00:24:28.723
  • MY HEART, THEN I SHOULD NOT LETFEAR STOP ME.
  • 00:24:28.723 --> 00:24:31.593
  • FEAR STOP ME.BUT, WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE
  • 00:24:31.593 --> 00:24:33.428
  • BUT, WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLEYOU HAVE TO GO CLIMB A MOUNTAIN
  • 00:24:33.428 --> 00:24:34.529
  • YOU HAVE TO GO CLIMB A MOUNTAINTO PROVE YOU'RE NOT AFRAID.
  • 00:24:34.529 --> 00:24:35.830
  • TO PROVE YOU'RE NOT AFRAID.- LAURIE: OR JUMP OFF A--
  • 00:24:35.830 --> 00:24:37.065
  • - LAURIE: OR JUMP OFF A--- JOYCE: OR JUMP OFF A BRIDGE
  • 00:24:37.065 --> 00:24:38.366
  • - JOYCE: OR JUMP OFF A BRIDGEINTO DEEP WATER TO PROVE YOU'RE
  • 00:24:38.366 --> 00:24:38.867
  • INTO DEEP WATER TO PROVE YOU'RENOT AFRAID.
  • 00:24:38.867 --> 00:24:39.834
  • NOT AFRAID.THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF THING
  • 00:24:39.834 --> 00:24:40.435
  • THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF THINGI'M TALKIN' ABOUT.
  • 00:24:40.435 --> 00:24:40.969
  • I'M TALKIN' ABOUT.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:24:40.969 --> 00:24:41.670
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: I'M TALKIN' ABOUT:
  • 00:24:41.670 --> 00:24:42.771
  • - JOYCE: I'M TALKIN' ABOUT:DON'T LET THE DEVIL STEAL
  • 00:24:42.771 --> 00:24:43.338
  • DON'T LET THE DEVIL STEALYOUR LIFE...
  • 00:24:43.338 --> 00:24:44.239
  • YOUR LIFE...- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:24:44.239 --> 00:24:45.874
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THROUGH FEAR.
  • 00:24:45.874 --> 00:24:47.175
  • - JOYCE: ...THROUGH FEAR.IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU
  • 00:24:47.175 --> 00:24:48.443
  • IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOUREALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO, OR
  • 00:24:48.443 --> 00:24:50.645
  • REALLY, REALLY WANT TO DO, ORESPECIALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT,
  • 00:24:50.645 --> 00:24:52.180
  • ESPECIALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT,PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING,
  • 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:55.383
  • PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING,DOING THE THINGS THAT GOD TELLS
  • 00:24:55.383 --> 00:24:56.351
  • DOING THE THINGS THAT GOD TELLSYOU TO DO-- TALK ABOUT GIVING.
  • 00:24:56.351 --> 00:25:00.622
  • YOU TO DO-- TALK ABOUT GIVING.HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT GOD
  • 00:25:00.622 --> 00:25:01.990
  • HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT GODWANTS THEM TO GIVE SOMETHING
  • 00:25:01.990 --> 00:25:05.026
  • WANTS THEM TO GIVE SOMETHINGAWAY, OR TO DO SOMETHING FOR
  • 00:25:05.026 --> 00:25:07.162
  • AWAY, OR TO DO SOMETHING FORSOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THEY'RE
  • 00:25:07.162 --> 00:25:08.863
  • SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THEY'REAFRAID THAT THEIR NEEDS WON'T
  • 00:25:08.863 --> 00:25:10.298
  • AFRAID THAT THEIR NEEDS WON'TBE MET, AND SO THEY
  • 00:25:10.298 --> 00:25:12.867
  • BE MET, AND SO THEYWON'T DO IT?
  • 00:25:12.867 --> 00:25:14.569
  • WON'T DO IT?BUT...I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO
  • 00:25:14.569 --> 00:25:17.005
  • BUT...I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TOSTART GIVING, DOING IT AFRAID.
  • 00:25:17.005 --> 00:25:17.539
  • START GIVING, DOING IT AFRAID.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:18.907
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE
  • 00:25:18.907 --> 00:25:21.343
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEPRINCIPLE MAKES NO SENSE.
  • 00:25:21.343 --> 00:25:21.943
  • PRINCIPLE MAKES NO SENSE.IT'S LIKE: IF YOU WANT MORE,
  • 00:25:21.943 --> 00:25:22.544
  • IT'S LIKE: IF YOU WANT MORE,YOU GOTTA GIVE AWAY SOME OF
  • 00:25:22.544 --> 00:25:22.911
  • YOU GOTTA GIVE AWAY SOME OFWHAT YOU HAVE.
  • 00:25:22.911 --> 00:25:24.245
  • WHAT YOU HAVE.IT'S TOTALLY UPSIDE DOWN FROM
  • 00:25:24.245 --> 00:25:26.047
  • IT'S TOTALLY UPSIDE DOWN FROMANYTHING YOU'VE EVER BEEN
  • 00:25:26.047 --> 00:25:28.350
  • ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER BEENTAUGHT IN THE WORLD.
  • 00:25:28.350 --> 00:25:29.551
  • TAUGHT IN THE WORLD.I USED TO HAVE SO MANY FEARS
  • 00:25:29.551 --> 00:25:31.219
  • I USED TO HAVE SO MANY FEARSCONCERNING MONEY BECAUSE I'D
  • 00:25:31.219 --> 00:25:32.821
  • CONCERNING MONEY BECAUSE I'DALWAYS HAD TO TAKE
  • 00:25:32.821 --> 00:25:34.456
  • MY PARENTS REALLY--
  • 00:25:35.423 --> 00:25:35.991
  • MY PARENTS REALLY--THEY FED ME AND THEY...
  • 00:25:35.991 --> 00:25:37.859
  • THEY FED ME AND THEY...BOUGHT MY CLOTHES,
  • 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:39.494
  • BOUGHT MY CLOTHES,SENT ME TO SCHOOL, BUT, I MEAN,
  • 00:25:39.494 --> 00:25:41.162
  • SENT ME TO SCHOOL, BUT, I MEAN,MY DAD WOULDN'T BUY MY SCHOOL
  • 00:25:41.162 --> 00:25:42.197
  • MY DAD WOULDN'T BUY MY SCHOOLPICTURES, HE WOULDN'T BUY MY
  • 00:25:42.197 --> 00:25:42.897
  • PICTURES, HE WOULDN'T BUY MYSCHOOL RING.
  • 00:25:42.897 --> 00:25:44.299
  • SCHOOL RING.I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT I
  • 00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:49.871
  • I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT IWANTED, I HAD TO DO FOR MYSELF.
  • 00:25:49.871 --> 00:25:53.375
  • WANTED, I HAD TO DO FOR MYSELF.SO WHEN DAVE WAS WORKING--
  • 00:25:53.375 --> 00:25:54.676
  • SO WHEN DAVE WAS WORKING--I STAYED HOME FOR A FEW YEARS
  • 00:25:54.676 --> 00:25:56.077
  • I STAYED HOME FOR A FEW YEARSWHEN THE KIDS WERE LITTLE --
  • 00:25:56.077 --> 00:25:56.578
  • WHEN THE KIDS WERE LITTLE --AND, HE GOT A BONUS, A
  • 00:25:56.578 --> 00:25:57.646
  • AND, HE GOT A BONUS, ACHRISTMAS BONUS, EVERY
  • 00:25:57.646 --> 00:25:58.747
  • AND...LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS A
  • 00:26:00.615 --> 00:26:01.549
  • AND...LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS ATHOUSAND DOLLARS.
  • 00:26:01.549 --> 00:26:02.617
  • THOUSAND DOLLARS.I MEAN, IT WASN'T A TON OF
  • 00:26:02.617 --> 00:26:03.585
  • I MEAN, IT WASN'T A TON OFMONEY, BUT IT WAS...
  • 00:26:03.585 --> 00:26:04.119
  • MONEY, BUT IT WAS...A LOT FOR US.
  • 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:05.086
  • A LOT FOR US.WELL, WE WOULD PUT THAT RIGHT
  • 00:26:05.086 --> 00:26:05.954
  • WELL, WE WOULD PUT THAT RIGHTIN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT...
  • 00:26:05.954 --> 00:26:07.856
  • IN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT...- MATT: MMH.
  • 00:26:07.856 --> 00:26:08.990
  • - MATT: MMH.- JOYCE: ...AND THEN, I
  • 00:26:08.990 --> 00:26:10.358
  • - JOYCE: ...AND THEN, IDEPENDED ON THAT SAVINGS
  • 00:26:10.358 --> 00:26:12.394
  • DEPENDED ON THAT SAVINGSACCOUNT.
  • 00:26:12.394 --> 00:26:13.028
  • ACCOUNT.AND, SEE, THIS IS WHERE WE GET
  • 00:26:13.028 --> 00:26:13.828
  • AND, SEE, THIS IS WHERE WE GETINTO TROUBLE -- WHEN WE START
  • 00:26:13.828 --> 00:26:16.398
  • INTO TROUBLE -- WHEN WE STARTDEPENDING ON WHAT WE CAN DO
  • 00:26:16.398 --> 00:26:20.468
  • DEPENDING ON WHAT WE CAN DOINSTEAD OF DEPENDING ON GOD.
  • 00:26:20.468 --> 00:26:21.536
  • INSTEAD OF DEPENDING ON GOD.AND EVERY TIME SOMETHING
  • 00:26:21.536 --> 00:26:22.937
  • AND EVERY TIME SOMETHINGHAPPENED WHERE WE HAD TO USE
  • 00:26:22.937 --> 00:26:23.538
  • HAPPENED WHERE WE HAD TO USESOME OF THAT MONEY, I WOULD
  • 00:26:23.538 --> 00:26:26.675
  • SOME OF THAT MONEY, I WOULDJUST GET IN A FIT.
  • 00:26:26.675 --> 00:26:27.275
  • JUST GET IN A FIT.I MEAN, I WOULD JUST BE:
  • 00:26:27.275 --> 00:26:28.777
  • I MEAN, I WOULD JUST BE:(IN AGGRAVATED TONE)
  • 00:26:28.777 --> 00:26:29.177
  • (IN AGGRAVATED TONE)"IT NEVER FAILS.
  • 00:26:29.177 --> 00:26:30.078
  • "IT NEVER FAILS.YOU..."
  • 00:26:30.078 --> 00:26:31.012
  • YOU..."[SPEAKS GIBBERISH IN IRRITATED
  • 00:26:31.012 --> 00:26:31.780
  • [SPEAKS GIBBERISH IN IRRITATEDTONE]
  • 00:26:31.780 --> 00:26:32.480
  • TONE][LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:32.981
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND DAVE GOT SO TIRED OF
  • 00:26:32.981 --> 00:26:33.782
  • AND DAVE GOT SO TIRED OFHEARING THAT.
  • 00:26:33.782 --> 00:26:34.816
  • HEARING THAT.HE TOLD ME ONE DAY, HE SAID,
  • 00:26:34.816 --> 00:26:35.917
  • HE TOLD ME ONE DAY, HE SAID,"GOD IS NOT GOING TO BLESS
  • 00:26:35.917 --> 00:26:37.719
  • "GOD IS NOT GOING TO BLESSUS...UNTIL YOU STOP DEPENDING
  • 00:26:37.719 --> 00:26:39.854
  • US...UNTIL YOU STOP DEPENDINGON THAT LITTLE BIT OF MONEY
  • 00:26:39.854 --> 00:26:41.389
  • ON THAT LITTLE BIT OF MONEYWE'VE GOT IN SAVINGS."
  • 00:26:41.389 --> 00:26:42.424
  • WE'VE GOT IN SAVINGS."WELL, I GOT MAD...
  • 00:26:42.424 --> 00:26:43.291
  • WELL, I GOT MAD...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:26:43.291 --> 00:26:44.526
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...AND WENT, TOOK THE MONEY OUT
  • 00:26:44.526 --> 00:26:46.027
  • ...AND WENT, TOOK THE MONEY OUTOF THE BANK AND SPENT IT ALL.
  • 00:26:46.027 --> 00:26:46.528
  • OF THE BANK AND SPENT IT ALL.[LAURIE GASPS]
  • 00:26:46.528 --> 00:26:47.095
  • [LAURIE GASPS]I SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE'LL
  • 00:26:47.095 --> 00:26:47.862
  • I SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE'LLJUST... (LAUGHING)
  • 00:26:47.862 --> 00:26:49.631
  • JUST... (LAUGHING)SEE WHAT GOD DOES.
  • 00:26:49.631 --> 00:26:50.131
  • SEE WHAT GOD DOES.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:26:50.131 --> 00:26:50.799
  • [LAUGHTER]AND, SURE ENOUGH, HE WAS RIGHT.
  • 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.033
  • AND, SURE ENOUGH, HE WAS RIGHT.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:26:52.033 --> 00:26:52.967
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING](JOYCE LAUGHING) YOU KNOW?
  • 00:26:52.967 --> 00:26:54.869
  • (JOYCE LAUGHING) YOU KNOW?YOU CAN'T HAVE A
  • 00:26:54.869 --> 00:26:55.437
  • YOU CAN'T HAVE ABACKUP PLAN...
  • 00:26:55.437 --> 00:26:56.071
  • BACKUP PLAN...AND ALSO HAVE GOD'S PLAN.
  • 00:26:56.071 --> 00:26:57.238
  • AND ALSO HAVE GOD'S PLAN.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:26:57.238 --> 00:26:59.174
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: AND I KNOW THAT,
  • 00:26:59.174 --> 00:27:00.208
  • - JOYCE: AND I KNOW THAT,YOU KNOW-- I'M NOT
  • 00:27:00.208 --> 00:27:02.510
  • YOU KNOW-- I'M NOTSUGGESTING WE DON'T SAVE MONEY.
  • 00:27:02.510 --> 00:27:03.411
  • SUGGESTING WE DON'T SAVE MONEY.WE SAVE MONEY, NOW.
  • 00:27:03.411 --> 00:27:04.345
  • WE SAVE MONEY, NOW.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:27:04.345 --> 00:27:05.280
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, DAVE HAS A
  • 00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:07.615
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, DAVE HAS ASTRATEGY ABOUT MONEY: GIVE
  • 00:27:07.615 --> 00:27:09.684
  • STRATEGY ABOUT MONEY: GIVESOME, SPEND SOME, SAVE SOME,
  • 00:27:09.684 --> 00:27:11.319
  • SOME, SPEND SOME, SAVE SOME,WITHIN YOUR BORDERS, AND GOD
  • 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:12.220
  • WITHIN YOUR BORDERS, AND GODWILL ALWAYS BE ABLE
  • 00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:12.954
  • WILL ALWAYS BE ABLETO BLESS YOU.
  • 00:27:12.954 --> 00:27:13.521
  • TO BLESS YOU.I THINK IT'S WISE TO SAVE
  • 00:27:13.521 --> 00:27:15.490
  • I THINK IT'S WISE TO SAVEMONEY.
  • 00:27:15.490 --> 00:27:16.257
  • MONEY.BUT I WAS DOING IT OUT OF FEAR.
  • 00:27:16.257 --> 00:27:16.791
  • BUT I WAS DOING IT OUT OF FEAR.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:27:16.791 --> 00:27:17.759
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU
  • 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.860
  • - JOYCE: AND, YOU KNOW, YOUWERE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:27:18.860 --> 00:27:19.427
  • WERE TALKING ABOUTBEING FRUGAL.
  • 00:27:19.427 --> 00:27:20.829
  • BEING FRUGAL.WELL, I WAS WAY BEYOND
  • 00:27:20.829 --> 00:27:21.496
  • WELL, I WAS WAY BEYONDFRUGAL...
  • 00:27:21.496 --> 00:27:22.030
  • FRUGAL...- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:27:22.030 --> 00:27:22.997
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND GOD HAD TO
  • 00:27:22.997 --> 00:27:23.631
  • - JOYCE: ...AND GOD HAD TOTELL ME ONE DAY, HE SAID: YOU
  • 00:27:23.631 --> 00:27:24.966
  • TELL ME ONE DAY, HE SAID: YOUHAVE A CHEAP SPIRIT.
  • 00:27:24.966 --> 00:27:26.301
  • HAVE A CHEAP SPIRIT.- LAURIE: MMH.
  • 00:27:26.301 --> 00:27:27.535
  • - LAURIE: MMH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, I DID
  • 00:27:27.535 --> 00:27:28.369
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, I DIDEVERYTHING--
  • 00:27:28.369 --> 00:27:30.772
  • EVERYTHING--BUT, SOME OF IT WASN'T WISE.
  • 00:27:30.772 --> 00:27:32.307
  • BUT, SOME OF IT WASN'T WISE.I MEAN, I WOULD DRIVE ALL OVER
  • 00:27:32.307 --> 00:27:34.342
  • I MEAN, I WOULD DRIVE ALL OVERTOWN, TRYING TO GET A DISCOUNT
  • 00:27:34.342 --> 00:27:37.045
  • TOWN, TRYING TO GET A DISCOUNTON A PAIR OF SHOES, AND I WOULD
  • 00:27:37.045 --> 00:27:39.614
  • ON A PAIR OF SHOES, AND I WOULDSPEND MORE IN GAS--
  • 00:27:39.614 --> 00:27:40.548
  • SPEND MORE IN GAS--- LAURIE: AND SPEND MORE GAS.
  • 00:27:40.548 --> 00:27:41.116
  • - LAURIE: AND SPEND MORE GAS.- JOYCE: --AND TIME THAN I
  • 00:27:41.116 --> 00:27:41.716
  • - JOYCE: --AND TIME THAN IWOULD HAVE SPENT IF I WOULD
  • 00:27:41.716 --> 00:27:42.417
  • WOULD HAVE SPENT IF I WOULDHAVE PAID THE EXTRA--
  • 00:27:42.417 --> 00:27:44.285
  • HAVE PAID THE EXTRA--SO, YOUR THINKING CAN GET
  • 00:27:44.285 --> 00:27:45.286
  • SO, YOUR THINKING CAN GETREALLY...MESSED UP...
  • 00:27:45.286 --> 00:27:45.887
  • REALLY...MESSED UP...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:27:45.887 --> 00:27:46.521
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...WHEN YOU GET OVER
  • 00:27:46.521 --> 00:27:47.555
  • - JOYCE: ...WHEN YOU GET OVERINTO THAT...TOO FAR.
  • 00:27:47.555 --> 00:27:48.990
  • INTO THAT...TOO FAR.AND, I MEAN, BIG STEPS OF
  • 00:27:48.990 --> 00:27:50.325
  • AND, I MEAN, BIG STEPS OFFAITH, FOR ME, WAS LIKE-- I
  • 00:27:50.325 --> 00:27:52.827
  • FAITH, FOR ME, WAS LIKE-- IMEAN, GOD CHALLENGED ME TO GO
  • 00:27:52.827 --> 00:27:55.930
  • MEAN, GOD CHALLENGED ME TO GOIN A STORE WHERE I KNEW IT
  • 00:27:55.930 --> 00:27:58.566
  • IN A STORE WHERE I KNEW ITWASN'T A SUPER EXPENSIVE STORE
  • 00:27:58.566 --> 00:28:00.335
  • WASN'T A SUPER EXPENSIVE STORETHAT I COULD PROBABLY AFFORD
  • 00:28:00.335 --> 00:28:02.971
  • THAT I COULD PROBABLY AFFORDMOST ANYTHING IN THAT STORE AND
  • 00:28:02.971 --> 00:28:05.874
  • MOST ANYTHING IN THAT STORE ANDCHALLENGE ME TO FIND WHAT I
  • 00:28:05.874 --> 00:28:08.676
  • CHALLENGE ME TO FIND WHAT IWANTED, AND GO TO THE COUNTER
  • 00:28:08.676 --> 00:28:10.445
  • WANTED, AND GO TO THE COUNTERWITH IT WITHOUT LOOKING
  • 00:28:10.445 --> 00:28:12.347
  • WITH IT WITHOUT LOOKINGAT THE PRICE TAG.
  • 00:28:12.347 --> 00:28:13.081
  • AT THE PRICE TAG.- MATT: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:28:13.081 --> 00:28:13.648
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: BECAUSE I ALWAYS
  • 00:28:13.648 --> 00:28:15.884
  • - JOYCE: BECAUSE I ALWAYSSHOPPED BY THE PRICE TAG.
  • 00:28:15.884 --> 00:28:17.352
  • SHOPPED BY THE PRICE TAG.AND NO MATTER, I MEAN,
  • 00:28:17.352 --> 00:28:19.954
  • AND NO MATTER, I MEAN,IF I LOVED IT, AND THE
  • 00:28:19.954 --> 00:28:20.889
  • IF I LOVED IT, AND THEPRICE WAS MORE THAN I THOUGHT,
  • 00:28:20.889 --> 00:28:22.524
  • PRICE WAS MORE THAN I THOUGHT,I WOULDN'T BUY IT.
  • 00:28:22.524 --> 00:28:23.525
  • I WOULDN'T BUY IT.SO, I DIDN'T BUY WHAT I WANTED.
  • 00:28:23.525 --> 00:28:24.592
  • SO, I DIDN'T BUY WHAT I WANTED.- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:28:24.592 --> 00:28:25.827
  • - MATT: WOW.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T
  • 00:28:25.827 --> 00:28:26.394
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'TLET GOD GIVE ME THE DESIRES
  • 00:28:26.394 --> 00:28:27.195
  • LET GOD GIVE ME THE DESIRESOF MY HEART.
  • 00:28:27.195 --> 00:28:30.198
  • OF MY HEART.BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID...TO SPEND
  • 00:28:30.198 --> 00:28:32.534
  • BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID...TO SPENDTHE MONEY.
  • 00:28:32.534 --> 00:28:33.701
  • THE MONEY.WELL, DAVE WAS THE OPPOSITE AND
  • 00:28:33.701 --> 00:28:35.670
  • WELL, DAVE WAS THE OPPOSITE ANDHE GREW UP IN A REALLY POOR
  • 00:28:35.670 --> 00:28:36.771
  • HE GREW UP IN A REALLY POORFAMILY, BUT HE HAD NO FEAR
  • 00:28:36.771 --> 00:28:37.806
  • FAMILY, BUT HE HAD NO FEAROF MONEY.
  • 00:28:37.806 --> 00:28:38.973
  • OF MONEY.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:28:38.973 --> 00:28:39.908
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: HE WAS JUST LIKE-- I
  • 00:28:39.908 --> 00:28:41.276
  • - JOYCE: HE WAS JUST LIKE-- IMEAN, IF HE HAD IT, HE'D
  • 00:28:41.276 --> 00:28:42.277
  • MEAN, IF HE HAD IT, HE'DSPEND IT.
  • 00:28:42.277 --> 00:28:43.011
  • SPEND IT.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:28:43.011 --> 00:28:43.845
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.[LAURIE GIGGLES]
  • 00:28:43.845 --> 00:28:45.013
  • [LAURIE GIGGLES]- JOYCE: AND HE WOULD SAY, YOU
  • 00:28:45.013 --> 00:28:45.947
  • - JOYCE: AND HE WOULD SAY, YOUKNOW, WE TITHE, WE DO WHAT
  • 00:28:45.947 --> 00:28:47.749
  • KNOW, WE TITHE, WE DO WHATGOD TELLS US--
  • 00:28:47.749 --> 00:28:48.383
  • GOD TELLS US--- LAURIE: YOU'RE TALKIN' TO
  • 00:28:48.383 --> 00:28:49.117
  • - LAURIE: YOU'RE TALKIN' TOTHE CHOIR HERE.
  • 00:28:49.117 --> 00:28:49.651
  • THE CHOIR HERE.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:28:49.651 --> 00:28:50.385
  • [LAUGHTER]- JOYCE: YOU'RE BEARIN'
  • 00:28:50.385 --> 00:28:51.386
  • - JOYCE: YOU'RE BEARIN'WITNESS OVER THERE?
  • 00:28:51.386 --> 00:28:53.321
  • WITNESS OVER THERE?- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) YES, I AM.
  • 00:28:53.321 --> 00:28:53.855
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) YES, I AM.- JOYCE: AND I RESPECT
  • 00:28:53.855 --> 00:28:54.622
  • - JOYCE: AND I RESPECTMONEY.
  • 00:28:54.622 --> 00:28:55.824
  • MONEY.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EXPECT
  • 00:28:55.824 --> 00:28:57.058
  • I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EXPECTMONEY IF WE DON'T RESPECT
  • 00:28:57.058 --> 00:28:58.359
  • MONEY IF WE DON'T RESPECTMONEY.
  • 00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:59.060
  • MONEY.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:28:59.060 --> 00:29:00.161
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND SO, I RESPECT
  • 00:29:00.161 --> 00:29:01.129
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, I RESPECTMONEY AND I DON'T WASTE MONEY.
  • 00:29:01.129 --> 00:29:05.099
  • MONEY AND I DON'T WASTE MONEY.BUT, IF I CAN AFFORD SOMETHING
  • 00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:05.800
  • BUT, IF I CAN AFFORD SOMETHINGAND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY
  • 00:29:05.800 --> 00:29:07.402
  • AND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLYWANT IT, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S
  • 00:29:07.402 --> 00:29:08.970
  • WANT IT, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'SOKAY, I DON'T GET A CHECK ABOUT
  • 00:29:08.970 --> 00:29:10.805
  • OKAY, I DON'T GET A CHECK ABOUTGETTING IT, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD
  • 00:29:10.805 --> 00:29:14.075
  • GETTING IT, THEN I'LL GO AHEADAND GET IT.
  • 00:29:14.075 --> 00:29:14.709
  • AND GET IT.BECAUSE, WHAT GOOD IS IT GOING
  • 00:29:14.709 --> 00:29:17.212
  • BECAUSE, WHAT GOOD IS IT GOINGTO DO GOD TO GIVE YOU MONEY
  • 00:29:17.212 --> 00:29:18.446
  • TO DO GOD TO GIVE YOU MONEYIF YOU'RE GONNA REFUSE TO USE
  • 00:29:18.446 --> 00:29:22.350
  • IF YOU'RE GONNA REFUSE TO USEANY OF IT FOR ENJOYMENT?
  • 00:29:22.350 --> 00:29:22.917
  • ANY OF IT FOR ENJOYMENT?GOD WANTS US TO ENJOY
  • 00:29:22.917 --> 00:29:24.586
  • GOD WANTS US TO ENJOYOUR LIVES.
  • 00:29:24.586 --> 00:29:25.186
  • OUR LIVES.THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD
  • 00:29:25.186 --> 00:29:26.154
  • THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDHAVE EVERYTHING YOU WANT.
  • 00:29:26.154 --> 00:29:28.556
  • HAVE EVERYTHING YOU WANT.BUT, I MEAN, I HAD SO MANY
  • 00:29:28.556 --> 00:29:29.824
  • BUT, I MEAN, I HAD SO MANYFEARS BACK IN THOSE DAYS AND I
  • 00:29:29.824 --> 00:29:32.794
  • FEARS BACK IN THOSE DAYS AND IHAD SO MANY MIRACLES.
  • 00:29:32.794 --> 00:29:33.995
  • HAD SO MANY MIRACLES.AND I LOOK BACK, AND, EVERY
  • 00:29:33.995 --> 00:29:34.662
  • AND I LOOK BACK, AND, EVERYONCE IN A WHILE, I ACTUALLY
  • 00:29:34.662 --> 00:29:35.630
  • ONCE IN A WHILE, I ACTUALLYMISS THOSE DAYS.
  • 00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:36.364
  • MISS THOSE DAYS.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:29:36.364 --> 00:29:36.898
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:29:36.898 --> 00:29:37.866
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: BECAUSE GOD DID SO
  • 00:29:37.866 --> 00:29:38.766
  • - JOYCE: BECAUSE GOD DID SOMANY AMAZING--
  • 00:29:38.766 --> 00:29:39.701
  • MANY AMAZING--LISTEN, I HAD A PRAYER LIST AND
  • 00:29:39.701 --> 00:29:42.337
  • LISTEN, I HAD A PRAYER LIST ANDI FOUND IT IN A BOX OF MY
  • 00:29:42.337 --> 00:29:43.004
  • I FOUND IT IN A BOX OF MYJOURNALS, NOT LONG AGO, WHERE I
  • 00:29:43.004 --> 00:29:46.007
  • JOURNALS, NOT LONG AGO, WHERE IHAD WRITTEN ON THERE: "DEAR
  • 00:29:46.007 --> 00:29:49.510
  • HAD WRITTEN ON THERE: "DEARGOD, I NEED NEW DISHRAGS, AND
  • 00:29:49.510 --> 00:29:51.713
  • GOD, I NEED NEW DISHRAGS, ANDNEW WASHCLOTHS, AND A
  • 00:29:51.713 --> 00:29:54.349
  • NEW WASHCLOTHS, AND ANEW SKILLET.
  • 00:29:54.349 --> 00:29:55.450
  • NEW SKILLET.WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THESE
  • 00:29:55.450 --> 00:29:56.951
  • WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THESETHINGS FOR ME?"
  • 00:29:56.951 --> 00:29:58.086
  • THINGS FOR ME?"AND, I'M TELLING YOU, AS GOD IS
  • 00:29:58.086 --> 00:29:59.187
  • AND, I'M TELLING YOU, AS GOD ISMY WITNESS, ONE DAY, MY
  • 00:29:59.187 --> 00:30:01.990
  • MY WITNESS, ONE DAY, MYDOORBELL RANG...AND A LADY THAT
  • 00:30:01.990 --> 00:30:03.391
  • DOORBELL RANG...AND A LADY THATI DIDN'T KNOW SAID-- SHE SAID,
  • 00:30:03.391 --> 00:30:05.426
  • I DIDN'T KNOW SAID-- SHE SAID,"I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T THINK
  • 00:30:05.426 --> 00:30:06.060
  • "I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T THINKTHAT I'M STARK RAVING MAD, BUT
  • 00:30:06.060 --> 00:30:07.829
  • THAT I'M STARK RAVING MAD, BUTI FELT LIKE GOD TOLD ME TO
  • 00:30:07.829 --> 00:30:08.963
  • I FELT LIKE GOD TOLD ME TOBRING YOU A DOZEN
  • 00:30:08.963 --> 00:30:10.265
  • BRING YOU A DOZENNEW DISH RAGS."
  • 00:30:10.265 --> 00:30:10.865
  • NEW DISH RAGS."- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:30:10.865 --> 00:30:11.499
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: WELL, I ABOUT HAD A
  • 00:30:11.499 --> 00:30:12.166
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I ABOUT HAD AFIT.
  • 00:30:12.166 --> 00:30:12.901
  • FIT.I WAS: "AHHHHHHHH!"
  • 00:30:12.901 --> 00:30:13.368
  • I WAS: "AHHHHHHHH!"YOU KNOW: "THAT'S GOD!
  • 00:30:13.368 --> 00:30:13.868
  • YOU KNOW: "THAT'S GOD!THAT'S GOD!
  • 00:30:13.868 --> 00:30:14.335
  • THAT'S GOD!THAT'S GOD!
  • 00:30:14.335 --> 00:30:15.069
  • THAT'S GOD!THAT'S GOD!"
  • 00:30:15.069 --> 00:30:16.304
  • THAT'S GOD!"AND SO, IN A LOT OF THOSE WAYS,
  • 00:30:16.304 --> 00:30:17.171
  • AND SO, IN A LOT OF THOSE WAYS,THAT WAS HOW GOD PROVED
  • 00:30:17.171 --> 00:30:20.675
  • THAT WAS HOW GOD PROVEDHIMSELF TO ME.
  • 00:30:20.675 --> 00:30:23.211
  • HIMSELF TO ME.BECAUSE IF GOD DIDN'T GIVE US
  • 00:30:23.211 --> 00:30:24.445
  • BECAUSE IF GOD DIDN'T GIVE USWHAT WE NEEDED, WE HAD NO
  • 00:30:24.445 --> 00:30:25.146
  • WHAT WE NEEDED, WE HAD NOWAY OF GETTING IT.
  • 00:30:25.146 --> 00:30:27.315
  • WAY OF GETTING IT.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:30:27.315 --> 00:30:28.216
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT HAD--
  • 00:30:28.216 --> 00:30:29.550
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT HAD--SO, WE LITERALLY LIVED ON THOSE
  • 00:30:29.550 --> 00:30:31.019
  • SO, WE LITERALLY LIVED ON THOSELITTLE MIRACLES FROM GOD.
  • 00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:33.922
  • LITTLE MIRACLES FROM GOD.AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT AFRAID,
  • 00:30:33.922 --> 00:30:36.457
  • AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT AFRAID,NOW, ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WE
  • 00:30:36.457 --> 00:30:38.092
  • NOW, ABOUT THE MONEY THAT WENEED TO HAVE EVERY MONTH TO DO
  • 00:30:38.092 --> 00:30:39.994
  • NEED TO HAVE EVERY MONTH TO DOWHAT...GOD'S CALLED US TO DO
  • 00:30:39.994 --> 00:30:42.096
  • WHAT...GOD'S CALLED US TO DOON TELEVISION.
  • 00:30:42.096 --> 00:30:42.997
  • ON TELEVISION.YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POINT IN
  • 00:30:42.997 --> 00:30:44.399
  • YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POINT INTRYING TO BELIEVE GOD FOR SOME
  • 00:30:44.399 --> 00:30:45.566
  • TRYING TO BELIEVE GOD FOR SOMEGREAT BIG THING IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:30:45.566 --> 00:30:46.434
  • GREAT BIG THING IF YOU DON'TEVEN KNOW HOW TO BELIEVE GOD
  • 00:30:46.434 --> 00:30:47.035
  • EVEN KNOW HOW TO BELIEVE GODFOR SOMETHING LITTLE.
  • 00:30:47.035 --> 00:30:47.502
  • FOR SOMETHING LITTLE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:30:47.502 --> 00:30:48.236
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER PROBABLY
  • 00:30:48.236 --> 00:30:49.904
  • YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER PROBABLYONE OF THE BIGGEST STEPS OF
  • 00:30:49.904 --> 00:30:51.806
  • ONE OF THE BIGGEST STEPS OFFAITH WE'VE TAKEN IN OUR LIFE
  • 00:30:51.806 --> 00:30:55.610
  • FAITH WE'VE TAKEN IN OUR LIFEIS BACK IN 1995.
  • 00:30:55.610 --> 00:30:56.844
  • IS BACK IN 1995.WE MOVED FROM ORANGE COUNTY TO
  • 00:30:56.844 --> 00:30:58.746
  • WE MOVED FROM ORANGE COUNTY TOLOS ANGELES TO START AN
  • 00:30:58.746 --> 00:31:00.014
  • LOS ANGELES TO START ANENTERTAINMENT COMPANY.
  • 00:31:00.014 --> 00:31:04.419
  • ENTERTAINMENT COMPANY.AND, THAT WAS COMPLETELY
  • 00:31:04.419 --> 00:31:05.987
  • AND, THAT WAS COMPLETELYON THE WORD OF THE LORD BY A
  • 00:31:05.987 --> 00:31:06.788
  • ON THE WORD OF THE LORD BY APROPHET SAYING, "GET YOU FOOT
  • 00:31:06.788 --> 00:31:08.089
  • PROPHET SAYING, "GET YOU FOOTIN HOLLYWOOD."
  • 00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:09.324
  • IN HOLLYWOOD."YOU WERE TALKING AWHILE AGO
  • 00:31:09.324 --> 00:31:10.992
  • YOU WERE TALKING AWHILE AGOABOUT STICKING-- JOSHUA PUTTING
  • 00:31:10.992 --> 00:31:12.460
  • ABOUT STICKING-- JOSHUA PUTTINGHIS FOOT INTO THE WATER.
  • 00:31:12.460 --> 00:31:15.463
  • HIS FOOT INTO THE WATER.THAT WAS THE WORD.
  • 00:31:15.463 --> 00:31:17.332
  • THAT WAS THE WORD.IT WAS JUST: I DON'T CARE WHAT
  • 00:31:17.332 --> 00:31:20.068
  • IT WAS JUST: I DON'T CARE WHATHOUSE YOU GET, DON'T CARE ANY
  • 00:31:20.068 --> 00:31:20.802
  • HOUSE YOU GET, DON'T CARE ANYABOUT-- YOU'VE GOT TO PUT YOUR
  • 00:31:20.802 --> 00:31:21.269
  • ABOUT-- YOU'VE GOT TO PUT YOURFOOT IN HOLLYWOOD.
  • 00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:22.870
  • FOOT IN HOLLYWOOD.SO, IT WAS LIKE: OKAY, OKAY,
  • 00:31:22.870 --> 00:31:24.205
  • SO, IT WAS LIKE: OKAY, OKAY,OKAY.
  • 00:31:24.205 --> 00:31:25.340
  • OKAY.AND I REMEMBER WE PUT OUR FOOT
  • 00:31:25.340 --> 00:31:26.407
  • AND I REMEMBER WE PUT OUR FOOTTHERE AND...WE HAD NOTHING.
  • 00:31:26.407 --> 00:31:27.875
  • THERE AND...WE HAD NOTHING.[MATT SNICKERS]
  • 00:31:27.875 --> 00:31:29.544
  • [MATT SNICKERS]WE HAD NOTHING.
  • 00:31:29.544 --> 00:31:30.979
  • WE HAD NOTHING.AND I REMEMBER CALLING THIS
  • 00:31:30.979 --> 00:31:32.580
  • AND I REMEMBER CALLING THISPROPHET THAT HAD TOLD US THAT.
  • 00:31:32.580 --> 00:31:34.082
  • PROPHET THAT HAD TOLD US THAT.OF COURSE, WE JUST DIDN'T
  • 00:31:34.082 --> 00:31:35.083
  • OF COURSE, WE JUST DIDN'TJUST GO ON HIS WORD.
  • 00:31:35.083 --> 00:31:35.683
  • JUST GO ON HIS WORD.IT WAS A MULTITUDE OF--
  • 00:31:35.683 --> 00:31:37.385
  • IT WAS A MULTITUDE OF--- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:31:37.385 --> 00:31:37.885
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- LAURIE: --COUNSEL AND
  • 00:31:37.885 --> 00:31:38.519
  • - LAURIE: --COUNSEL ANDALL THAT.
  • 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.788
  • ALL THAT.BUT, I REMEMBER TELLING KIM--
  • 00:31:40.788 --> 00:31:43.024
  • BUT, I REMEMBER TELLING KIM--I CALLED HIM AND I'M JUST
  • 00:31:43.024 --> 00:31:43.791
  • I CALLED HIM AND I'M JUSTBAWLING.
  • 00:31:43.791 --> 00:31:46.227
  • BAWLING.I'M GOING: "WE HAVE NOTHING.
  • 00:31:46.227 --> 00:31:47.628
  • I'M GOING: "WE HAVE NOTHING.WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR-- FOR OUR
  • 00:31:47.628 --> 00:31:49.130
  • WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR-- FOR OURHOUSE PAYMENT.
  • 00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:51.566
  • HOUSE PAYMENT.WE HAVE NOTHING.
  • 00:31:51.566 --> 00:31:52.467
  • WE HAVE NOTHING.AND WE'VE MOVED UP HERE.
  • 00:31:52.467 --> 00:31:54.335
  • AND WE'VE MOVED UP HERE.WE DON'T HAVE FRIENDS.
  • 00:31:54.335 --> 00:31:54.869
  • WE DON'T HAVE FRIENDS.WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING,
  • 00:31:54.869 --> 00:31:55.436
  • WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING,YOU KNOW.
  • 00:31:55.436 --> 00:31:57.338
  • YOU KNOW.WE'VE GOT TWO LITTLE BOYS."
  • 00:31:57.338 --> 00:31:59.774
  • WE'VE GOT TWO LITTLE BOYS."AND, HE SAID, "WOULD GOD HAVE
  • 00:31:59.774 --> 00:32:02.543
  • AND, HE SAID, "WOULD GOD HAVETOLD YOU TO DO IT WITHOUT
  • 00:32:02.543 --> 00:32:03.177
  • TOLD YOU TO DO IT WITHOUTSUPPLYING FOR YOU?"
  • 00:32:03.177 --> 00:32:03.745
  • SUPPLYING FOR YOU?"- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:32:03.745 --> 00:32:04.779
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- LAURIE: "WOULD HE HAVE TOLD
  • 00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:05.947
  • - LAURIE: "WOULD HE HAVE TOLDYOU TO CROSS THE RED SEA?
  • 00:32:05.947 --> 00:32:07.081
  • YOU TO CROSS THE RED SEA?WOULD HE HAVE TOLD-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:32:07.081 --> 00:32:09.250
  • WOULD HE HAVE TOLD-- YOU KNOW,TO PUT YOUR FOOT THERE AND THEN
  • 00:32:09.250 --> 00:32:12.286
  • TO PUT YOUR FOOT THERE AND THENHE'S GONNA JUST LEAVE YOU?"
  • 00:32:12.286 --> 00:32:12.954
  • HE'S GONNA JUST LEAVE YOU?"- JOYCE: MMH...
  • 00:32:12.954 --> 00:32:13.621
  • - JOYCE: MMH...- LAURIE: "HE'S NOT GONNA JUST
  • 00:32:13.621 --> 00:32:14.022
  • - LAURIE: "HE'S NOT GONNA JUSTLEAVE YOU, THERE.
  • 00:32:14.022 --> 00:32:15.656
  • LEAVE YOU, THERE.HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE
  • 00:32:15.656 --> 00:32:16.824
  • HE'S GOING TO PROVIDEEVERYTHING THAT HE'S CALLED
  • 00:32:16.824 --> 00:32:19.327
  • EVERYTHING THAT HE'S CALLEDYOU TO DO."
  • 00:32:19.327 --> 00:32:21.896
  • YOU TO DO."AND SO...YEAH.
  • 00:32:21.896 --> 00:32:22.663
  • AND SO...YEAH.- MATT: WE EXPERIENCED EXACTLY
  • 00:32:22.663 --> 00:32:23.831
  • - MATT: WE EXPERIENCED EXACTLYWHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT--
  • 00:32:23.831 --> 00:32:25.066
  • WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT--- LAURIE: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:32:25.066 --> 00:32:25.666
  • - LAURIE: OH, YEAH.- MATT: --IN THAT-- IN THAT
  • 00:32:25.666 --> 00:32:26.167
  • - MATT: --IN THAT-- IN THATSITUATION.
  • 00:32:26.167 --> 00:32:29.704
  • SITUATION.WHAT COMES TO MIND, THOUGH,
  • 00:32:29.704 --> 00:32:30.805
  • WHAT COMES TO MIND, THOUGH,IS, WE ALL KNOW SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:32:30.805 --> 00:32:32.807
  • IS, WE ALL KNOW SOME PEOPLETHAT THINK THEY'RE GOOD
  • 00:32:32.807 --> 00:32:33.941
  • THAT THINK THEY'RE GOODSINGERS, OR THEY'RE GOOD
  • 00:32:33.941 --> 00:32:35.877
  • SINGERS, OR THEY'RE GOODENTERTAINERS...
  • 00:32:35.877 --> 00:32:36.477
  • ENTERTAINERS...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:32:36.477 --> 00:32:37.011
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...OR THEY'RE GOOD THIS,
  • 00:32:37.011 --> 00:32:38.946
  • ...OR THEY'RE GOOD THIS,OR THAT--
  • 00:32:38.946 --> 00:32:39.847
  • OR THAT--AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT,
  • 00:32:39.847 --> 00:32:40.348
  • AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT,YOU KNOW?
  • 00:32:40.348 --> 00:32:41.783
  • YOU KNOW?AND-- SO, SOMETIMES, SOMEBODY
  • 00:32:41.783 --> 00:32:44.218
  • AND-- SO, SOMETIMES, SOMEBODYMIGHT BE ACTING ON PRESUMPTION.
  • 00:32:44.218 --> 00:32:44.719
  • MIGHT BE ACTING ON PRESUMPTION.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:32:44.719 --> 00:32:46.554
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: OR, YOU KNOW, SO, HOW
  • 00:32:46.554 --> 00:32:48.423
  • - MATT: OR, YOU KNOW, SO, HOWDO YOU...HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUT
  • 00:32:48.423 --> 00:32:52.060
  • DO YOU...HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUTTHAT IN REGARD TO, CERTAINLY,
  • 00:32:52.060 --> 00:32:55.496
  • THAT IN REGARD TO, CERTAINLY,GOING FORWARD, BUT WITH THE
  • 00:32:55.496 --> 00:32:56.898
  • GOING FORWARD, BUT WITH THECONFIDENCE THAT GOD'S TOLD YOU
  • 00:32:56.898 --> 00:32:58.399
  • CONFIDENCE THAT GOD'S TOLD YOUAND THAT IT'S NOT SOME KIND OF
  • 00:32:58.399 --> 00:32:59.801
  • AND THAT IT'S NOT SOME KIND OFVAIN IMAGINATION?
  • 00:32:59.801 --> 00:33:01.169
  • VAIN IMAGINATION?- JOYCE: WELL, I HAVE A LITTLE
  • 00:33:01.169 --> 00:33:01.736
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I HAVE A LITTLESAYING AND IT'S: STEP OUT
  • 00:33:01.736 --> 00:33:02.737
  • SAYING AND IT'S: STEP OUTAND FIND OUT.
  • 00:33:02.737 --> 00:33:06.307
  • AND FIND OUT.SO, SOMETIMES, WE'RE JUST
  • 00:33:06.307 --> 00:33:08.409
  • SO, SOMETIMES, WE'RE JUSTNOT SURE.
  • 00:33:08.409 --> 00:33:09.977
  • NOT SURE.I MEAN, WE REALLY THINK
  • 00:33:09.977 --> 00:33:10.545
  • I MEAN, WE REALLY THINKSOMETHING.
  • 00:33:10.545 --> 00:33:11.312
  • SOMETHING.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:33:11.312 --> 00:33:13.481
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: BUT...EVERYBODY KNOWS
  • 00:33:13.481 --> 00:33:14.415
  • - JOYCE: BUT...EVERYBODY KNOWSTHAT WE DON'T HEAR FROM GOD
  • 00:33:14.415 --> 00:33:14.949
  • THAT WE DON'T HEAR FROM GODPERFECTLY.
  • 00:33:14.949 --> 00:33:17.018
  • PERFECTLY.AND...PEOPLE ARE SO AFRAID OF
  • 00:33:17.018 --> 00:33:19.053
  • BUT FAILING AT SOMETHING
  • 00:33:21.689 --> 00:33:22.690
  • BUT FAILING AT SOMETHINGAND BEING A FAILURE IS
  • 00:33:22.690 --> 00:33:24.492
  • AND BEING A FAILURE ISTWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:33:24.492 --> 00:33:26.394
  • TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.YOU ARE NEVER A FAILURE, AS
  • 00:33:26.394 --> 00:33:28.563
  • YOU ARE NEVER A FAILURE, ASLONG AS YOU REFUSE TO QUIT.
  • 00:33:28.563 --> 00:33:31.532
  • LONG AS YOU REFUSE TO QUIT.AND SO...YOU'RE NEVER GONNA
  • 00:33:31.532 --> 00:33:33.734
  • AND SO...YOU'RE NEVER GONNASUCCEED AT ANYTHING IF YOU'RE
  • 00:33:33.734 --> 00:33:34.368
  • SUCCEED AT ANYTHING IF YOU'RESO AFRAID OF FAILURE THAT YOU
  • 00:33:34.368 --> 00:33:36.070
  • - LAURIE: MMH.
  • 00:33:37.572 --> 00:33:38.139
  • - LAURIE: MMH.- JOYCE: SO, I TELL PEOPLE:
  • 00:33:38.139 --> 00:33:38.973
  • - JOYCE: SO, I TELL PEOPLE:STEP OUT AND FIND OUT.
  • 00:33:38.973 --> 00:33:40.675
  • STEP OUT AND FIND OUT.WELL, WHEN I QUIT MY JOB, IF
  • 00:33:40.675 --> 00:33:45.179
  • WELL, WHEN I QUIT MY JOB, IFAT THE END OF THE FIRST MONTH,
  • 00:33:45.179 --> 00:33:46.114
  • AT THE END OF THE FIRST MONTH,I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
  • 00:33:46.114 --> 00:33:46.814
  • I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TOPAY MY BILLS, I WOULD HAVE WENT
  • 00:33:46.814 --> 00:33:50.251
  • PAY MY BILLS, I WOULD HAVE WENTOUT AND GOT A JOB.
  • 00:33:50.251 --> 00:33:51.252
  • OUT AND GOT A JOB.BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOD'S WILL FOR
  • 00:33:51.252 --> 00:33:52.820
  • BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOD'S WILL FORUS TO DEFAULT ON OUR BILLS AND
  • 00:33:52.820 --> 00:33:54.822
  • US TO DEFAULT ON OUR BILLS ANDBE DISHONEST.
  • 00:33:54.822 --> 00:33:56.724
  • BE DISHONEST.AND SO, I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN
  • 00:33:56.724 --> 00:33:58.493
  • AND SO, I DON'T LIKE IT WHENPEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE BEGGIN'
  • 00:33:58.493 --> 00:34:01.629
  • PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE BEGGIN'FOR MONEY ALL THE TIME AND
  • 00:34:01.629 --> 00:34:02.663
  • FOR MONEY ALL THE TIME ANDBORROWIN' MONEY ALL THE TIME,
  • 00:34:02.663 --> 00:34:03.664
  • BORROWIN' MONEY ALL THE TIME,AND, "GOD TOLD ME TO
  • 00:34:03.664 --> 00:34:05.967
  • AND, "GOD TOLD ME TODO THIS."
  • 00:34:05.967 --> 00:34:07.068
  • DO THIS."WELL, IF GOD TELLS YOU
  • 00:34:07.068 --> 00:34:08.436
  • WELL, IF GOD TELLS YOUSOMETHING, HE WILL PROVIDE
  • 00:34:08.436 --> 00:34:13.141
  • SOMETHING, HE WILL PROVIDEFOR IT.
  • 00:34:13.141 --> 00:34:13.808
  • FOR IT.OR...YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY
  • 00:34:13.808 --> 00:34:14.775
  • OR...YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAYSINGING.
  • 00:34:14.775 --> 00:34:15.943
  • SINGING.WELL, YOU KNOW, NOBODY EVEN
  • 00:34:15.943 --> 00:34:17.345
  • WELL, YOU KNOW, NOBODY EVENKNOWS WHAT KEY I SING IN, SO,
  • 00:34:17.345 --> 00:34:18.212
  • KNOWS WHAT KEY I SING IN, SO,YOU KNOW.
  • 00:34:18.212 --> 00:34:18.613
  • YOU KNOW.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:34:18.613 --> 00:34:19.280
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- LAURIE: SAY: "JUST PUT IT IN
  • 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.584
  • - LAURIE: SAY: "JUST PUT IT INB -- I'LL FLATTEN IT.
  • 00:34:23.584 --> 00:34:24.118
  • B -- I'LL FLATTEN IT.- JOYCE: AND, SO, THEY
  • 00:34:24.118 --> 00:34:25.052
  • - JOYCE: AND, SO, THEYALWAYS TURN MY MICROPHONE
  • 00:34:25.052 --> 00:34:26.654
  • ALWAYS TURN MY MICROPHONEOFF DURING THE SINGING.
  • 00:34:26.654 --> 00:34:28.356
  • OFF DURING THE SINGING.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:34:28.356 --> 00:34:29.423
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS][ALL CHUCKLING]
  • 00:34:29.423 --> 00:34:30.024
  • [ALL CHUCKLING]AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN MAKE A
  • 00:34:30.024 --> 00:34:30.892
  • AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN MAKE AJOYFUL NOISE AT HOME, BUT
  • 00:34:30.892 --> 00:34:31.726
  • JOYFUL NOISE AT HOME, BUTNOT...IN AN AUDITORIUM FULL OF
  • 00:34:31.726 --> 00:34:32.260
  • NOT...IN AN AUDITORIUM FULL OFPEOPLE.
  • 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:33.461
  • PEOPLE.WELL, LET'S JUST SAY I THOUGHT
  • 00:34:33.461 --> 00:34:34.795
  • WELL, LET'S JUST SAY I THOUGHTI WAS A REALLY GOOD SINGER.
  • 00:34:34.795 --> 00:34:36.197
  • I WAS A REALLY GOOD SINGER.- LAURIE: UH-HUH.
  • 00:34:36.197 --> 00:34:36.931
  • - LAURIE: UH-HUH.- JOYCE: WELL, IF I GOT UP TO
  • 00:34:36.931 --> 00:34:37.832
  • - JOYCE: WELL, IF I GOT UP TOSING, AND...PEOPLE STARTED
  • 00:34:37.832 --> 00:34:38.933
  • SING, AND...PEOPLE STARTEDLEAVING, I MIGHT...
  • 00:34:38.933 --> 00:34:40.568
  • LEAVING, I MIGHT...- LAURIE: GET A CLUE?
  • 00:34:40.568 --> 00:34:41.435
  • - LAURIE: GET A CLUE?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:34:41.435 --> 00:34:42.370
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: ...GET A CLUE.
  • 00:34:42.370 --> 00:34:43.437
  • - JOYCE: ...GET A CLUE.AND SO, REALLY, A LOT OF TIMES,
  • 00:34:43.437 --> 00:34:44.739
  • AND SO, REALLY, A LOT OF TIMES,THAT'S ALL IT IS.
  • 00:34:44.739 --> 00:34:46.541
  • THAT'S ALL IT IS.YOU JUST GOTTA BE WILLING TO
  • 00:34:46.541 --> 00:34:49.110
  • YOU JUST GOTTA BE WILLING TOLOOK AT REALITY.
  • 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:50.311
  • LOOK AT REALITY.AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE
  • 00:34:50.311 --> 00:34:52.380
  • AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKESOMETHING WORK, AND IT FEELS
  • 00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:54.015
  • SOMETHING WORK, AND IT FEELSLIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH A
  • 00:34:54.015 --> 00:34:55.049
  • LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH ADEAD HORSE UP A HILL...
  • 00:34:55.049 --> 00:34:55.516
  • DEAD HORSE UP A HILL...- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:34:55.516 --> 00:34:56.918
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE
  • 00:34:56.918 --> 00:34:57.818
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKEONE PERSON SAID: IF THE HORSE
  • 00:34:57.818 --> 00:34:58.786
  • ONE PERSON SAID: IF THE HORSEHAS BEEN DEAD FOR 10 YEARS,
  • 00:34:58.786 --> 00:35:00.555
  • HAS BEEN DEAD FOR 10 YEARS,IT'S TIME TO DISMOUNT.
  • 00:35:00.555 --> 00:35:01.689
  • IT'S TIME TO DISMOUNT.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:35:01.689 --> 00:35:02.924
  • [LAUGHTER]YOU KNOW, YOU DO--
  • 00:35:02.924 --> 00:35:04.325
  • YOU KNOW, YOU DO--[ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:35:04.325 --> 00:35:05.459
  • [ALL LAUGHING]YOU DON'T JUST KEEP TRYING TO
  • 00:35:05.459 --> 00:35:07.195
  • YOU DON'T JUST KEEP TRYING TOMAKE--
  • 00:35:07.195 --> 00:35:08.429
  • MAKE--[ALL LAUGHING]
  • 00:35:08.429 --> 00:35:09.564
  • [ALL LAUGHING]YOU DON'T JUST KEEP TRYING TO
  • 00:35:09.564 --> 00:35:10.264
  • YOU DON'T JUST KEEP TRYING TOMAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT'S
  • 00:35:10.264 --> 00:35:15.636
  • MAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT'SOBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.
  • 00:35:15.636 --> 00:35:16.270
  • OBVIOUSLY NOT WORKING.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:35:16.270 --> 00:35:16.904
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- MATT: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:35:16.904 --> 00:35:17.638
  • - MATT: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT"DO IT AFRAID,"
  • 00:35:17.638 --> 00:35:18.239
  • "DO IT AFRAID,"AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT
  • 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:19.373
  • AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THATWITH JOYCE MEYER.
  • 00:35:19.373 --> 00:35:20.775
  • WITH JOYCE MEYER.JOYCE, UH, I TALK ABOUT YOU A
  • 00:35:20.775 --> 00:35:23.911
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:35:24.912 --> 00:35:25.446
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND I CAN TELL YOU WHY.
  • 00:35:25.446 --> 00:35:26.714
  • AND I CAN TELL YOU WHY.I TELL PEOPLE--
  • 00:35:26.714 --> 00:35:33.521
  • I TELL PEOPLE--- LAURIE: IT'S ALL GOOD.
  • 00:35:33.521 --> 00:35:34.455
  • - LAURIE: IT'S ALL GOOD.- MATT: --THAT WHEN JOYCE IS
  • 00:35:34.455 --> 00:35:35.122
  • - MATT: --THAT WHEN JOYCE ISTEACHING -- JUST PLAIN TEACHING
  • 00:35:35.122 --> 00:35:36.424
  • TEACHING -- JUST PLAIN TEACHINGFROM THE WORD OF GOD -- YOUR
  • 00:35:36.424 --> 00:35:37.658
  • FROM THE WORD OF GOD -- YOURRATINGS ARE ALWAYS CLIMBING.
  • 00:35:37.658 --> 00:35:39.660
  • RATINGS ARE ALWAYS CLIMBING.THE WHOLE TIME.
  • 00:35:39.660 --> 00:35:41.028
  • THE WHOLE TIME.YOU CAN JUST SIT THERE AND
  • 00:35:41.028 --> 00:35:41.862
  • YOU CAN JUST SIT THERE ANDWATCH IT, YOU KNOW?
  • 00:35:41.862 --> 00:35:42.997
  • WATCH IT, YOU KNOW?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:35:42.997 --> 00:35:45.433
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]AND-- BECAUSE, I GUESS THAT'S
  • 00:35:45.433 --> 00:35:49.704
  • AND-- BECAUSE, I GUESS THAT'SWHAT THIS CHANNEL IS KNOWN FOR.
  • 00:35:49.704 --> 00:35:50.838
  • WHAT THIS CHANNEL IS KNOWN FOR.YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT'S KNOWN FOR
  • 00:35:50.838 --> 00:35:51.872
  • YOU KNOW, I HOPE IT'S KNOWN FOREVANGELISM, I HOPE IT'S KNOWN
  • 00:35:51.872 --> 00:35:54.709
  • EVANGELISM, I HOPE IT'S KNOWNFOR PEOPLE GIVING THEIR LIFE TO
  • 00:35:54.709 --> 00:35:55.443
  • FOR PEOPLE GIVING THEIR LIFE TOJESUS, BUT THE OTHER PART
  • 00:35:55.443 --> 00:35:57.311
  • JESUS, BUT THE OTHER PARTOF THE GREAT COMMISSION IS TO
  • 00:35:57.311 --> 00:35:59.013
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT. AND GROW
  • 00:36:01.782 --> 00:36:02.650
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT. AND GROWIN CHRIST.
  • 00:36:02.650 --> 00:36:03.551
  • IN CHRIST.- MATT: --AND I BELIEVE...THAT
  • 00:36:03.551 --> 00:36:04.185
  • - MATT: --AND I BELIEVE...THATWE CAN DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS
  • 00:36:04.185 --> 00:36:04.885
  • WE CAN DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGSEFFECTIVELY.
  • 00:36:04.885 --> 00:36:06.454
  • EFFECTIVELY.SO, I TALK ABOUT YOU A LOT, UH,
  • 00:36:06.454 --> 00:36:09.257
  • SO, I TALK ABOUT YOU A LOT, UH,SAYING THAT IF YOU WANNA...YOU
  • 00:36:09.257 --> 00:36:11.726
  • SAYING THAT IF YOU WANNA...YOUKNOW, TRY CHRISTIAN TELEVISION
  • 00:36:11.726 --> 00:36:14.195
  • KNOW, TRY CHRISTIAN TELEVISION-- AND, BY THE WAY, I'LL --
  • 00:36:14.195 --> 00:36:15.796
  • -- AND, BY THE WAY, I'LL --SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND
  • 00:36:15.796 --> 00:36:16.998
  • SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP ANDSAID THAT CHRISTIAN TV IS NOT
  • 00:36:16.998 --> 00:36:18.399
  • SAID THAT CHRISTIAN TV IS NOTFREE AND THAT WE DO
  • 00:36:18.399 --> 00:36:19.133
  • FREE AND THAT WE DOCHARGE YOU...
  • 00:36:19.133 --> 00:36:20.534
  • CHARGE YOU...[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:36:20.534 --> 00:36:21.636
  • [LAUGHTER]...I WILL MAKE THE DISTINCTION:
  • 00:36:21.636 --> 00:36:23.237
  • ...I WILL MAKE THE DISTINCTION:FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU GIVE
  • 00:36:23.237 --> 00:36:25.840
  • FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU GIVEUS FOR THAT TIMESLOT, WE RAISE
  • 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.808
  • US FOR THAT TIMESLOT, WE RAISEANOTHER DOLLAR AND MATCH IT TO
  • 00:36:27.808 --> 00:36:31.279
  • ANOTHER DOLLAR AND MATCH IT TOYOU TO KEEP IT ON THE AIR.
  • 00:36:31.279 --> 00:36:31.779
  • YOU TO KEEP IT ON THE AIR.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:36:31.779 --> 00:36:33.047
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- MATT: SO, TBN PARTNERS AND
  • 00:36:33.047 --> 00:36:34.782
  • - MATT: SO, TBN PARTNERS ANDJOYCE MEYER PARTNERS KEEP YOUR
  • 00:36:34.782 --> 00:36:35.650
  • JOYCE MEYER PARTNERS KEEP YOURHALF HOUR ON THE AIR.
  • 00:36:35.650 --> 00:36:36.183
  • HALF HOUR ON THE AIR.- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:36:36.183 --> 00:36:36.984
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: OKAY?
  • 00:36:36.984 --> 00:36:39.020
  • - MATT: OKAY?- JOYCE: THANK YOU.
  • 00:36:39.020 --> 00:36:39.787
  • - JOYCE: THANK YOU.- MATT: SO, WE DO THIS
  • 00:36:39.787 --> 00:36:40.354
  • - MATT: SO, WE DO THISTOGETHER.
  • 00:36:40.354 --> 00:36:41.389
  • TOGETHER.- JOYCE: IN OTHER WORDS,
  • 00:36:41.389 --> 00:36:42.023
  • - JOYCE: IN OTHER WORDS,YOU'RE NOT CHARGING ME ENOUGH.
  • 00:36:42.023 --> 00:36:42.723
  • YOU'RE NOT CHARGING ME ENOUGH.[LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGH]
  • 00:36:42.723 --> 00:36:43.224
  • [LAURIE, JOYCE LAUGH]- MATT: THAT'S EXACTLY
  • 00:36:43.224 --> 00:36:44.091
  • - MATT: THAT'S EXACTLYRIGHT.
  • 00:36:44.091 --> 00:36:44.659
  • RIGHT.BUT THAT'S WHY MY DAD USED
  • 00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:46.394
  • BUT THAT'S WHY MY DAD USEDTHAT TERM -- THAT HE DIDN'T
  • 00:36:46.394 --> 00:36:47.228
  • THAT TERM -- THAT HE DIDN'TEXPLAIN VERY WELL --
  • 00:36:47.228 --> 00:36:49.930
  • EXPLAIN VERY WELL --FOR 40 YEARS: CALL SHARING.
  • 00:36:49.930 --> 00:36:50.598
  • FOR 40 YEARS: CALL SHARING.THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT...
  • 00:36:50.598 --> 00:36:51.699
  • THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT...- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:36:51.699 --> 00:36:52.266
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: MEANING THAT YOUR
  • 00:36:52.266 --> 00:36:53.701
  • - MATT: MEANING THAT YOURDOLLARS DON'T OFFSET THE
  • 00:36:53.701 --> 00:36:56.237
  • DOLLARS DON'T OFFSET THEFULL BUDGET OF TBN
  • 00:36:56.237 --> 00:36:56.837
  • FULL BUDGET OF TBNFOR THAT HALF HOUR.
  • 00:36:56.837 --> 00:36:57.438
  • FOR THAT HALF HOUR.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:36:57.438 --> 00:36:58.105
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:36:58.105 --> 00:36:58.806
  • - MATT: OKAY.JUST THOUGHT I'D
  • 00:36:58.806 --> 00:36:59.340
  • JUST THOUGHT I'DCLARIFY THAT.
  • 00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:02.610
  • CLARIFY THAT."DO IT AFRAID" IS
  • 00:37:02.610 --> 00:37:04.045
  • "DO IT AFRAID" ISAVAILABLE, NOW.
  • 00:37:04.045 --> 00:37:05.946
  • AVAILABLE, NOW.GO TO AMAZON, HOWEVER YOU
  • 00:37:05.946 --> 00:37:07.982
  • GO TO AMAZON, HOWEVER YOUGET BOOKS.
  • 00:37:07.982 --> 00:37:08.416
  • GET BOOKS.YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT,
  • 00:37:08.416 --> 00:37:09.283
  • THIS IS JOYCE MEYER'S BRAND-NEW
  • 00:37:10.451 --> 00:37:10.951
  • THIS IS JOYCE MEYER'S BRAND-NEWBOOK.
  • 00:37:10.951 --> 00:37:12.787
  • BOOK.WE'RE UNPACKING IT FOR AN HOUR,
  • 00:37:12.787 --> 00:37:14.088
  • WE'RE UNPACKING IT FOR AN HOUR,RIGHT HERE, IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
  • 00:37:14.088 --> 00:37:15.022
  • RIGHT HERE, IN DALLAS, TEXAS.WELCOME TO DALLAS.
  • 00:37:15.022 --> 00:37:15.489
  • WELCOME TO DALLAS.- JOYCE: THANK YOU.
  • 00:37:15.489 --> 00:37:16.123
  • - JOYCE: THANK YOU.- MATT: AND WE'RE GLAD
  • 00:37:16.123 --> 00:37:16.624
  • - MATT: AND WE'RE GLADYOU'RE HERE.
  • 00:37:16.624 --> 00:37:17.425
  • YOU'RE HERE."DO IT AFRAID."
  • 00:37:17.425 --> 00:37:22.330
  • "DO IT AFRAID."WE'RE IN AN
  • 00:37:22.330 --> 00:37:23.698
  • WE'RE IN ANUNPRECEDENTED TIME.
  • 00:37:23.698 --> 00:37:28.569
  • UNPRECEDENTED TIME.THERE IS AT THE TIME OF TAPING,
  • 00:37:28.569 --> 00:37:31.072
  • THERE IS AT THE TIME OF TAPING,AND DEPENDING ON WHAT STATE
  • 00:37:31.072 --> 00:37:32.973
  • AND DEPENDING ON WHAT STATEYOU'RE IN, SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:37:32.973 --> 00:37:33.841
  • YOU'RE IN, SOME PEOPLEARE WEARING MASKS,
  • 00:37:33.841 --> 00:37:36.077
  • ARE WEARING MASKS,THERE'S A PANDEMIC, YOU'RE
  • 00:37:36.077 --> 00:37:38.179
  • THERE'S A PANDEMIC, YOU'RESEEING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THINGS
  • 00:37:38.179 --> 00:37:39.413
  • SEEING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THINGSTHAT GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO
  • 00:37:39.413 --> 00:37:41.615
  • - MATT: ...WHERE PEOPLE WERE
  • 00:37:43.384 --> 00:37:43.984
  • - MATT: ...WHERE PEOPLE WEREHAVING TO WEAR MASKS AND ALL
  • 00:37:43.984 --> 00:37:45.286
  • HAVING TO WEAR MASKS AND ALLTHIS KIND OF STUFF.
  • 00:37:45.286 --> 00:37:46.454
  • THIS KIND OF STUFF.WE ARE TECHNICALLY SOCIAL
  • 00:37:46.454 --> 00:37:48.956
  • WE ARE TECHNICALLY SOCIALDISTANCED, HERE ON THE SET.
  • 00:37:48.956 --> 00:37:51.492
  • DISTANCED, HERE ON THE SET.AND, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID --
  • 00:37:51.492 --> 00:37:53.828
  • AND, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID --I BELIEVE, IN WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:37:53.828 --> 00:37:55.663
  • I BELIEVE, IN WHAT WE'REHEARING ON OUR LINE -- AND WE
  • 00:37:55.663 --> 00:37:57.665
  • HEARING ON OUR LINE -- AND WETAKE A MILLION AND HALF CALLS A
  • 00:37:57.665 --> 00:37:58.699
  • TAKE A MILLION AND HALF CALLS AYEAR ON OUR-- JUST OUR
  • 00:37:58.699 --> 00:38:00.534
  • YEAR ON OUR-- JUST OURTELEPHONE NUMBER.
  • 00:38:00.534 --> 00:38:02.169
  • TELEPHONE NUMBER.UM, YOU'VE GOT A CHAPTER, AN
  • 00:38:02.169 --> 00:38:03.838
  • UM, YOU'VE GOT A CHAPTER, ANENTIRE CHAPTER IN YOUR NEW
  • 00:38:03.838 --> 00:38:05.573
  • ENTIRE CHAPTER IN YOUR NEWBOOK, "DO IT AFRAID," UH, ABOUT
  • 00:38:05.573 --> 00:38:07.842
  • BOOK, "DO IT AFRAID," UH, ABOUTTHE FEAR OF THE FUTURE.
  • 00:38:07.842 --> 00:38:09.176
  • THE FEAR OF THE FUTURE.THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THING THAT
  • 00:38:09.176 --> 00:38:13.748
  • THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THING THATCOULD BE...PERFECTLY SUITED FOR
  • 00:38:13.748 --> 00:38:15.850
  • COULD BE...PERFECTLY SUITED FORTHIS SEASON THAT WE'RE IN.
  • 00:38:15.850 --> 00:38:16.417
  • THIS SEASON THAT WE'RE IN.HOW DO WE...GET A HANDLE
  • 00:38:16.417 --> 00:38:18.486
  • HOW DO WE...GET A HANDLEON THAT?
  • 00:38:18.486 --> 00:38:20.187
  • ON THAT?- JOYCE: WELL, WHAT PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:38:20.187 --> 00:38:21.555
  • - JOYCE: WELL, WHAT PEOPLE AREREALLY AFRAID OF IS THEY'RE
  • 00:38:21.555 --> 00:38:23.023
  • REALLY AFRAID OF IS THEY'REAFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN.
  • 00:38:23.023 --> 00:38:25.793
  • AFRAID OF THE UNKNOWN.- LAURIE: HMH.
  • 00:38:25.793 --> 00:38:26.427
  • - LAURIE: HMH.- JOYCE: IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE
  • 00:38:26.427 --> 00:38:27.294
  • - JOYCE: IT'S NOT SO MUCH THEFUTURE.
  • 00:38:27.294 --> 00:38:28.596
  • FUTURE.IT'S LIKE: WE WANT TO KNOW.
  • 00:38:28.596 --> 00:38:29.697
  • IT'S LIKE: WE WANT TO KNOW.[MATT CHUCKLES MISCHIEVOUSLY]
  • 00:38:29.697 --> 00:38:30.598
  • [MATT CHUCKLES MISCHIEVOUSLY]WE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THIS BIG
  • 00:38:30.598 --> 00:38:31.665
  • WE HUMAN BEINGS HAVE THIS BIGPROBLEM.
  • 00:38:31.665 --> 00:38:34.835
  • PROBLEM.WE WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE
  • 00:38:34.835 --> 00:38:36.871
  • WE WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE IF WEKNOW, THEN WE CAN CONTROL.
  • 00:38:36.871 --> 00:38:37.505
  • KNOW, THEN WE CAN CONTROL.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:38:37.505 --> 00:38:38.406
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- MATT: GOT IT.
  • 00:38:38.406 --> 00:38:39.073
  • - MATT: GOT IT.- JOYCE: GOD WANTS US TO TRUST
  • 00:38:39.073 --> 00:38:39.473
  • - JOYCE: GOD WANTS US TO TRUSTHIM.
  • 00:38:39.473 --> 00:38:40.141
  • HIM.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:38:40.141 --> 00:38:42.710
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:38:42.710 --> 00:38:43.344
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: AND, TRUSTING GOD IS
  • 00:38:43.344 --> 00:38:46.113
  • - JOYCE: AND, TRUSTING GOD ISSO MUCH EASIER THAN WORRYING
  • 00:38:46.113 --> 00:38:49.550
  • SO MUCH EASIER THAN WORRYINGAND BEING ANXIOUS AND FRETTING
  • 00:38:49.550 --> 00:38:51.318
  • AND BEING ANXIOUS AND FRETTINGOVER STUFF ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:38:51.318 --> 00:38:53.687
  • OVER STUFF ALL THE TIME.NOW...I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU
  • 00:38:53.687 --> 00:38:55.856
  • NOW...I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOUCAN TRUST GOD UNLESS YOU'VE HAD
  • 00:38:55.856 --> 00:38:56.924
  • CAN TRUST GOD UNLESS YOU'VE HADSOME EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.
  • 00:38:56.924 --> 00:38:57.391
  • SOME EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:38:57.391 --> 00:38:58.526
  • - MATT: OKAY.- JOYCE: I DON'T CARE HOW MANY
  • 00:38:58.526 --> 00:39:00.027
  • - JOYCE: I DON'T CARE HOW MANYSERMONS I PREACH ON TELLIN'
  • 00:39:00.027 --> 00:39:01.529
  • SERMONS I PREACH ON TELLIN'PEOPLE TO TRUST GOD, THEY'RE
  • 00:39:01.529 --> 00:39:03.764
  • PEOPLE TO TRUST GOD, THEY'REGONNA HAVE A PROBLEM IN DOING
  • 00:39:03.764 --> 00:39:04.532
  • GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM IN DOINGIT UNTIL THEY HAVE STEPPED
  • 00:39:04.532 --> 00:39:05.833
  • IT UNTIL THEY HAVE STEPPEDOUT IN FAITH...
  • 00:39:05.833 --> 00:39:06.333
  • OUT IN FAITH...- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:39:06.333 --> 00:39:07.501
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.'CAUSE IT SOUNDS HARDER.
  • 00:39:07.501 --> 00:39:08.068
  • 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS HARDER.[LAUGHS]
  • 00:39:08.068 --> 00:39:09.270
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: RIGHT. YEAH.
  • 00:39:09.270 --> 00:39:09.904
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT. YEAH.AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAD SOME
  • 00:39:09.904 --> 00:39:11.005
  • AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAD SOMEEXPERIENCE WITH GOD.
  • 00:39:11.005 --> 00:39:11.405
  • EXPERIENCE WITH GOD.- LAURIE: YES.
  • 00:39:11.405 --> 00:39:15.109
  • - LAURIE: YES.- JOYCE: AND SO...LIKE I TELL
  • 00:39:15.109 --> 00:39:17.411
  • - JOYCE: AND SO...LIKE I TELLPEOPLE ALL THE TIME: THINK BACK
  • 00:39:17.411 --> 00:39:18.078
  • PEOPLE ALL THE TIME: THINK BACKTO ANOTHER TIME IN YOUR LIFE
  • 00:39:18.078 --> 00:39:20.714
  • TO ANOTHER TIME IN YOUR LIFEWHEN YOU HAD SOMETHING REALLY
  • 00:39:20.714 --> 00:39:23.584
  • WHEN YOU HAD SOMETHING REALLYBAD GOIN' ON THAT YOU THOUGHT
  • 00:39:23.584 --> 00:39:24.785
  • BAD GOIN' ON THAT YOU THOUGHTYOU JUST WEREN'T GONNA MAKE IT
  • 00:39:24.785 --> 00:39:25.886
  • YOU JUST WEREN'T GONNA MAKE ITTHROUGH...AND GOD CAME
  • 00:39:25.886 --> 00:39:27.588
  • THROUGH...AND GOD CAMETHROUGH FOR YOU.
  • 00:39:27.588 --> 00:39:28.389
  • THROUGH FOR YOU.- MATT: HMH.
  • 00:39:28.389 --> 00:39:30.124
  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: LIKE, I REMEMBER WHEN
  • 00:39:30.124 --> 00:39:32.693
  • - JOYCE: LIKE, I REMEMBER WHENI WENT FOR JUST A REGULAR
  • 00:39:32.693 --> 00:39:35.262
  • I WENT FOR JUST A REGULARMAMMOGRAM AND WITHIN
  • 00:39:35.262 --> 00:39:36.964
  • MAMMOGRAM AND WITHINA FEW DAYS, WAS TOLD I
  • 00:39:36.964 --> 00:39:37.631
  • A FEW DAYS, WAS TOLD IHAD BREAST CANCER.
  • 00:39:37.631 --> 00:39:39.366
  • HAD BREAST CANCER.WELL, I WAS PREACHIN' FAITH
  • 00:39:39.366 --> 00:39:42.403
  • WELL, I WAS PREACHIN' FAITHAND PRAYIN' FOR PEOPLE TO BE
  • 00:39:42.403 --> 00:39:44.104
  • AND PRAYIN' FOR PEOPLE TO BEHEALED, AND IT WAS THE LAST
  • 00:39:44.104 --> 00:39:44.839
  • HEALED, AND IT WAS THE LASTTHING IN THE WORLD THAT
  • 00:39:44.839 --> 00:39:46.006
  • THING IN THE WORLD THATI EXPECTED.
  • 00:39:46.006 --> 00:39:47.007
  • I EXPECTED.HOW DO YOU WRAP YOUR HEAD
  • 00:39:47.007 --> 00:39:47.675
  • HOW DO YOU WRAP YOUR HEADAROUND THAT?
  • 00:39:47.675 --> 00:39:48.909
  • AROUND THAT?"I'M DOIN' GOD'S WILL"
  • 00:39:48.909 --> 00:39:49.977
  • "I'M DOIN' GOD'S WILL"ALL THESE DIFFERENT
  • 00:39:49.977 --> 00:39:51.479
  • ALL THESE DIFFERENTTHINGS WE TRY TO TELL GOD.
  • 00:39:51.479 --> 00:39:53.180
  • THINGS WE TRY TO TELL GOD.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:39:53.180 --> 00:39:54.882
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]BUT EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THAT,
  • 00:39:54.882 --> 00:39:55.950
  • BUT EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THAT,GOD STILL DID MIRACULOUS
  • 00:39:55.950 --> 00:39:56.484
  • GOD STILL DID MIRACULOUSTHINGS.
  • 00:39:56.484 --> 00:39:57.651
  • THINGS.- MATT: HMH.
  • 00:39:57.651 --> 00:40:00.821
  • - MATT: HMH.- JOYCE: BECAUSE I DIDN'T
  • 00:40:00.821 --> 00:40:01.522
  • - JOYCE: BECAUSE I DIDN'THAVE TO HAVE ANY CHEMOTHERAPY.
  • 00:40:01.522 --> 00:40:02.223
  • HAVE TO HAVE ANY CHEMOTHERAPY.I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY
  • 00:40:02.223 --> 00:40:05.226
  • I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYRADIATION.
  • 00:40:05.226 --> 00:40:05.793
  • RADIATION.I DID HAVE TO HAVE A
  • 00:40:05.793 --> 00:40:06.994
  • I DID HAVE TO HAVE AMASTECTOMY, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST
  • 00:40:06.994 --> 00:40:08.362
  • MASTECTOMY, BECAUSE THAT'S JUSTWHAT THEY DID BACK THEN.
  • 00:40:08.362 --> 00:40:09.263
  • WHAT THEY DID BACK THEN.PROBABLY, TODAY, THEY'D
  • 00:40:09.263 --> 00:40:09.864
  • PROBABLY, TODAY, THEY'DPROBABLY DO IT A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:40:09.864 --> 00:40:10.664
  • PROBABLY DO IT A LITTLE BITDIFFERENTLY.
  • 00:40:10.664 --> 00:40:13.267
  • DIFFERENTLY.BUT, I MAYBE MISSED TWO
  • 00:40:13.267 --> 00:40:14.435
  • BUT, I MAYBE MISSED TWOCONFERENCES.
  • 00:40:14.435 --> 00:40:16.804
  • CONFERENCES.AND...WE NEEDED MONEY TO
  • 00:40:16.804 --> 00:40:19.740
  • AND...WE NEEDED MONEY TOPAY OUR BILLS.
  • 00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:20.508
  • PAY OUR BILLS.- MATT: HMNH.
  • 00:40:20.508 --> 00:40:21.942
  • - MATT: HMNH.- JOYCE: AND, HERE, AGAIN,
  • 00:40:21.942 --> 00:40:23.711
  • - JOYCE: AND, HERE, AGAIN,HONEST TO GOD'S TRUTH, I'M
  • 00:40:23.711 --> 00:40:26.213
  • HONEST TO GOD'S TRUTH, I'MLEANING BACK IN A RECLINER ONE
  • 00:40:26.213 --> 00:40:27.882
  • LEANING BACK IN A RECLINER ONEEVENING, HAD ALL THESE DRAINS
  • 00:40:27.882 --> 00:40:29.049
  • EVENING, HAD ALL THESE DRAINSATTACHED TO MY BODY -- I'M IN
  • 00:40:29.049 --> 00:40:30.584
  • ATTACHED TO MY BODY -- I'M INTHE HEALING PROCESS -- THE
  • 00:40:30.584 --> 00:40:33.320
  • THE HEALING PROCESS -- THEDOORBELL RINGS, AND, SOMEBODY
  • 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.422
  • DOORBELL RINGS, AND, SOMEBODYWENT TO THE DOOR, AND THIS
  • 00:40:35.422 --> 00:40:37.758
  • WENT TO THE DOOR, AND THISPASTOR, WHO WE DIDN'T REALLY
  • 00:40:37.758 --> 00:40:42.530
  • PASTOR, WHO WE DIDN'T REALLYKNOW, HAD JUST HAD TO SELL
  • 00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:43.464
  • KNOW, HAD JUST HAD TO SELLHIS BUILDING.
  • 00:40:43.464 --> 00:40:44.365
  • HIS BUILDING.HE WAS GOING OUT OF MINISTRY
  • 00:40:44.365 --> 00:40:44.965
  • HE WAS GOING OUT OF MINISTRYAND GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE,
  • 00:40:44.965 --> 00:40:45.566
  • AND GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE,AND HE HAD TO SELL HIS
  • 00:40:45.566 --> 00:40:46.834
  • AND HE HAD TO SELL HISBUILDING.
  • 00:40:46.834 --> 00:40:47.902
  • BUILDING.WELL, WHEN YOU SELL MINISTRY
  • 00:40:47.902 --> 00:40:50.137
  • WELL, WHEN YOU SELL MINISTRYPROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THAT
  • 00:40:50.137 --> 00:40:51.338
  • PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THATMONEY TO OTHER MINISTRIES.
  • 00:40:51.338 --> 00:40:52.072
  • MONEY TO OTHER MINISTRIES.YOU CAN'T JUST...
  • 00:40:52.072 --> 00:40:52.806
  • YOU CAN'T JUST...- LAURIE: NOT FOR PROFIT.
  • 00:40:52.806 --> 00:40:53.607
  • - LAURIE: NOT FOR PROFIT.- JOYCE: ...PUT IT IN YOUR
  • 00:40:53.607 --> 00:40:55.276
  • - JOYCE: ...PUT IT IN YOURPOCKET AND...GO SAY, "I SOLD A
  • 00:40:55.276 --> 00:40:55.676
  • POCKET AND...GO SAY, "I SOLD ABUILDING."
  • 00:40:55.676 --> 00:40:56.176
  • BUILDING."- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:40:56.176 --> 00:40:57.411
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: SO, HE HANDED US A
  • 00:40:57.411 --> 00:40:58.379
  • - JOYCE: SO, HE HANDED US ACHECK FOR $10.000 AND HE SAID,
  • 00:40:58.379 --> 00:40:59.313
  • CHECK FOR $10.000 AND HE SAID,"I FELT LIKE GOD WANTED ME
  • 00:40:59.313 --> 00:41:01.615
  • "I FELT LIKE GOD WANTED METO...GIVE YOUR MINISTRY $10.000
  • 00:41:01.615 --> 00:41:03.551
  • TO...GIVE YOUR MINISTRY $10.000OF THE MONEY."
  • 00:41:03.551 --> 00:41:05.286
  • OF THE MONEY."WELL...THAT TOOK CARE OF US.
  • 00:41:05.286 --> 00:41:08.656
  • WELL...THAT TOOK CARE OF US.- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:41:08.656 --> 00:41:09.623
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: AND, SO...MIRACLES.
  • 00:41:09.623 --> 00:41:11.559
  • - JOYCE: AND, SO...MIRACLES.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.129
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: WELL, I LOOK BACK,
  • 00:41:15.129 --> 00:41:15.930
  • - JOYCE: WELL, I LOOK BACK,NOW, AND, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
  • 00:41:15.930 --> 00:41:17.464
  • NOW, AND, I DIDN'T KNOW WHATWAS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME.
  • 00:41:17.464 --> 00:41:20.234
  • WAS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME.AM I GONNA HAVE TO TAKE
  • 00:41:20.234 --> 00:41:21.435
  • AM I GONNA HAVE TO TAKECHEMOTHERAPY AND LOSE ALL MY
  • 00:41:21.435 --> 00:41:24.972
  • CHEMOTHERAPY AND LOSE ALL MYHAIR AND BE SICK AND BE--
  • 00:41:24.972 --> 00:41:25.906
  • HAIR AND BE SICK AND BE--I MEAN, IS THIS GONNA BE THE
  • 00:41:25.906 --> 00:41:26.740
  • I MEAN, IS THIS GONNA BE THEEND OF THE MINISTRY?
  • 00:41:26.740 --> 00:41:28.475
  • END OF THE MINISTRY?YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE
  • 00:41:28.475 --> 00:41:28.976
  • YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVEA MINISTRY LIKE OURS,
  • 00:41:28.976 --> 00:41:29.777
  • A MINISTRY LIKE OURS,IT'S LIKE...
  • 00:41:29.777 --> 00:41:30.344
  • IT'S LIKE...IF I DON'T DO WHAT I DO,
  • 00:41:30.344 --> 00:41:32.346
  • IF I DON'T DO WHAT I DO,THEN IT STOPS.
  • 00:41:32.346 --> 00:41:33.113
  • THEN IT STOPS.- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:41:33.113 --> 00:41:34.081
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- JOYCE: YOU CAN'T JUST CALL
  • 00:41:34.081 --> 00:41:36.417
  • - JOYCE: YOU CAN'T JUST CALLIN A SUBSTITUTE.
  • 00:41:36.417 --> 00:41:39.219
  • IN A SUBSTITUTE.(LAUGHING)
  • 00:41:39.219 --> 00:41:40.054
  • (LAUGHING)YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
  • 00:41:40.054 --> 00:41:42.356
  • YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T WORK.AND SO, I REALLY ENCOURAGE
  • 00:41:42.356 --> 00:41:44.191
  • AND SO, I REALLY ENCOURAGEPEOPLE IN THESE TIMES THAT
  • 00:41:44.191 --> 00:41:47.861
  • PEOPLE IN THESE TIMES THATWE'RE IN, NOW, TO--
  • 00:41:47.861 --> 00:41:48.896
  • WE'RE IN, NOW, TO--IT'S NOT THE FUTURE THEY'RE
  • 00:41:48.896 --> 00:41:50.598
  • IT'S NOT THE FUTURE THEY'REAFRAID OF; IT'S NOT KNOWING.
  • 00:41:50.598 --> 00:41:54.401
  • AFRAID OF; IT'S NOT KNOWING.IT'S THE NOT KNOWING.
  • 00:41:54.401 --> 00:41:54.969
  • IT'S THE NOT KNOWING.AND...THERE'S NO REASON TO
  • 00:41:54.969 --> 00:41:55.703
  • AND...THERE'S NO REASON TOTRUST GOD IF WE KNOW
  • 00:41:55.703 --> 00:41:56.370
  • TRUST GOD IF WE KNOWEVERYTHING.
  • 00:41:56.370 --> 00:41:56.770
  • EVERYTHING.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:41:56.770 --> 00:41:58.339
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- MATT: HMMH.
  • 00:41:58.339 --> 00:41:59.506
  • - MATT: HMMH.- JOYCE: YOU ALWAYS ARE GONNA
  • 00:41:59.506 --> 00:42:00.741
  • - JOYCE: YOU ALWAYS ARE GONNAHAVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
  • 00:42:00.741 --> 00:42:02.276
  • HAVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE
  • 00:42:02.276 --> 00:42:05.879
  • THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THEWHYS AND THE WHENS THAT GOD IS
  • 00:42:05.879 --> 00:42:08.716
  • WHYS AND THE WHENS THAT GOD ISNOT GOING TO ANSWER FOR YOU.
  • 00:42:08.716 --> 00:42:10.117
  • NOT GOING TO ANSWER FOR YOU.BECAUSE, HE TOLD ME ONE TIME,
  • 00:42:10.117 --> 00:42:12.152
  • BECAUSE, HE TOLD ME ONE TIME,HE SAID: DON'T YOU REALIZE IF
  • 00:42:12.152 --> 00:42:12.786
  • HE SAID: DON'T YOU REALIZE IFYOU KNEW EVERYTHING I DID THEN
  • 00:42:12.786 --> 00:42:13.420
  • YOU KNEW EVERYTHING I DID THENYOU'D BE GOD AND WOULDN'T
  • 00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:15.255
  • YOU'D BE GOD AND WOULDN'TNEED ME AT ALL?
  • 00:42:15.255 --> 00:42:15.723
  • NEED ME AT ALL?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:42:15.723 --> 00:42:16.690
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:42:16.690 --> 00:42:17.291
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: AND SO, WE HAVE TO
  • 00:42:17.291 --> 00:42:18.759
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, WE HAVE TOGET COMFORTABLE NOT KNOWING.
  • 00:42:18.759 --> 00:42:19.259
  • GET COMFORTABLE NOT KNOWING.- LAURIE: RIGHT.
  • 00:42:19.259 --> 00:42:20.761
  • - LAURIE: RIGHT.- JOYCE: I'M NOT AFRAID OF
  • 00:42:20.761 --> 00:42:21.629
  • - JOYCE: I'M NOT AFRAID OFTHIS.
  • 00:42:21.629 --> 00:42:23.931
  • THIS.BECAUSE, I'VE HAD ENOUGH
  • 00:42:23.931 --> 00:42:24.965
  • BECAUSE, I'VE HAD ENOUGHEXPERIENCE WITH GOD THAT I KNOW
  • 00:42:24.965 --> 00:42:26.767
  • EXPERIENCE WITH GOD THAT I KNOWI'M IN HIS HANDS.
  • 00:42:26.767 --> 00:42:29.803
  • I'M IN HIS HANDS.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:42:29.803 --> 00:42:30.904
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND...EVEN IF I GOT
  • 00:42:30.904 --> 00:42:31.438
  • - JOYCE: AND...EVEN IF I GOTTHE VIRUS, I BELIEVE GOD
  • 00:42:31.438 --> 00:42:32.406
  • THE VIRUS, I BELIEVE GODWOULD TAKE CARE OF ME.
  • 00:42:32.406 --> 00:42:34.174
  • WOULD TAKE CARE OF ME.BUT, IF HE'S FINISHED WITH ME
  • 00:42:34.174 --> 00:42:35.609
  • BUT, IF HE'S FINISHED WITH MEHERE AND IT'S MY TIME TO GO
  • 00:42:35.609 --> 00:42:36.710
  • HERE AND IT'S MY TIME TO GOHOME, THEN, I'M READY TO DO
  • 00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:38.512
  • HOME, THEN, I'M READY TO DOTHAT, TOO.
  • 00:42:38.512 --> 00:42:40.781
  • THAT, TOO.AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GROW TO
  • 00:42:40.781 --> 00:42:42.716
  • AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GROW TOTHE POINT WHERE...WE'RE NOT
  • 00:42:42.716 --> 00:42:45.219
  • THE POINT WHERE...WE'RE NOTAFRAID OF DEATH AND WE'RE NOT
  • 00:42:45.219 --> 00:42:46.286
  • AFRAID OF DEATH AND WE'RE NOTAFRAID OF...
  • 00:42:46.286 --> 00:42:48.389
  • AFRAID OF...YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE
  • 00:42:48.389 --> 00:42:50.591
  • YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THEFUTURE, BUT I DO KNOW THE ONE
  • 00:42:50.591 --> 00:42:51.892
  • FUTURE, BUT I DO KNOW THE ONEWHO HOLDS THE FUTURE IN
  • 00:42:51.892 --> 00:42:52.359
  • WHO HOLDS THE FUTURE INHIS HANDS.
  • 00:42:52.359 --> 00:42:53.360
  • HIS HANDS.- MATT: MM-HMM.
  • 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:53.927
  • - MATT: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: AND I DON'T LIKE
  • 00:42:53.927 --> 00:42:55.062
  • - JOYCE: AND I DON'T LIKESUFFERING ANY MORE THAN ANYBODY
  • 00:42:55.062 --> 00:42:56.964
  • SUFFERING ANY MORE THAN ANYBODYELSE DOES, YOU KNOW, SO I'M
  • 00:42:56.964 --> 00:43:00.300
  • ELSE DOES, YOU KNOW, SO I'MNOT...LIKE...WANTIN' TO HAVE TO
  • 00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:00.868
  • NOT...LIKE...WANTIN' TO HAVE TOSUFFER AND GO THROUGH SOME
  • 00:43:00.868 --> 00:43:02.202
  • SUFFER AND GO THROUGH SOMEREALLY, LIKE--
  • 00:43:02.202 --> 00:43:03.537
  • REALLY, LIKE--I'M HOPIN', YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
  • 00:43:03.537 --> 00:43:04.772
  • I'M HOPIN', YOU KNOW, WHEN THEEND COMES, GOD BEAMS US UP,
  • 00:43:04.772 --> 00:43:06.140
  • END COMES, GOD BEAMS US UP,REAL QUICK.
  • 00:43:06.140 --> 00:43:07.107
  • REAL QUICK.- LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.
  • 00:43:07.107 --> 00:43:08.809
  • - LAURIE: (LAUGHING) RIGHT.- JOYCE: BUT I DO KNOW THAT
  • 00:43:08.809 --> 00:43:11.378
  • - JOYCE: BUT I DO KNOW THATWHATEVER I HAD TO DO, GOD WOULD
  • 00:43:11.378 --> 00:43:12.946
  • WHATEVER I HAD TO DO, GOD WOULDENABLE ME TO DO IT.
  • 00:43:12.946 --> 00:43:14.615
  • ENABLE ME TO DO IT.BUT, SEE, WE DON'T GET
  • 00:43:14.615 --> 00:43:16.016
  • BUT, SEE, WE DON'T GETTOMORROW'S GRACE TODAY.
  • 00:43:16.016 --> 00:43:16.917
  • TOMORROW'S GRACE TODAY.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:43:16.917 --> 00:43:17.818
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- MATT: LET ME SEE IF I CAN...
  • 00:43:17.818 --> 00:43:19.753
  • - MATT: LET ME SEE IF I CAN...THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THIS
  • 00:43:19.753 --> 00:43:20.254
  • THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THISFOR A SECOND.
  • 00:43:20.254 --> 00:43:21.055
  • FOR A SECOND.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:43:21.055 --> 00:43:21.689
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- JOYCE: YEAH, YOU SEE TO BE
  • 00:43:21.689 --> 00:43:22.322
  • - JOYCE: YEAH, YOU SEE TO BEDOIN' PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:43:22.322 --> 00:43:22.856
  • DOIN' PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT THERE.- MATT: YEAH, YEAH, I--
  • 00:43:22.856 --> 00:43:23.824
  • - MATT: YEAH, YEAH, I--[LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:43:23.824 --> 00:43:24.291
  • [LAURIE LAUGHING]LET ME--
  • 00:43:24.291 --> 00:43:24.858
  • LET ME--- LAURIE: HE LIVES FOR IT.
  • 00:43:24.858 --> 00:43:25.592
  • - LAURIE: HE LIVES FOR IT.- MATT: THERE COULD BE-- THERE
  • 00:43:25.592 --> 00:43:26.727
  • - MATT: THERE COULD BE-- THERECOULD BE SOMEONE, JOYCE,
  • 00:43:26.727 --> 00:43:29.363
  • COULD BE SOMEONE, JOYCE,SITTING, GOING: THAT ALL WORKS
  • 00:43:29.363 --> 00:43:30.364
  • SITTING, GOING: THAT ALL WORKSFOR YOU.
  • 00:43:30.364 --> 00:43:32.132
  • FOR YOU.YOU'VE GOTTEN PAST ALL THESE
  • 00:43:32.132 --> 00:43:32.599
  • YOU'VE GOTTEN PAST ALL THESETRIALS.
  • 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:34.068
  • TRIALS.AND, YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE
  • 00:43:34.068 --> 00:43:34.902
  • AND, YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDEOF 'EM AND EVERYTHING IS-- IS
  • 00:43:34.902 --> 00:43:36.537
  • OF 'EM AND EVERYTHING IS-- ISGOOD FOR YOU, NOW.
  • 00:43:36.537 --> 00:43:39.506
  • GOOD FOR YOU, NOW.AND, UH, YOU'RE EVEN TALKING
  • 00:43:39.506 --> 00:43:41.542
  • AND, UH, YOU'RE EVEN TALKINGABOUT A SEASON IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:43:41.542 --> 00:43:43.343
  • ABOUT A SEASON IN YOUR LIFE,UH, THAT WAS IN THE PAST, WHERE
  • 00:43:43.343 --> 00:43:45.979
  • UH, THAT WAS IN THE PAST, WHEREYOU HAD TO SEE DAY-TO-DAY-TYPE
  • 00:43:45.979 --> 00:43:48.549
  • YOU HAD TO SEE DAY-TO-DAY-TYPEMIRACLES AND THINGS ARE
  • 00:43:48.549 --> 00:43:49.016
  • MIRACLES AND THINGS AREDIFFERENT NOW.
  • 00:43:49.016 --> 00:43:50.818
  • DIFFERENT NOW.WHAT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY
  • 00:43:50.818 --> 00:43:52.186
  • WHAT IF THERE'S SOMEBODYWATCHING WITH-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:43:52.186 --> 00:43:55.689
  • WATCHING WITH-- YOU KNOW,SAYING: IT'S NOT GONNA WORK
  • 00:43:55.689 --> 00:43:56.623
  • SAYING: IT'S NOT GONNA WORKTHAT WAY FOR ME.
  • 00:43:56.623 --> 00:43:59.660
  • THAT WAY FOR ME.I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
  • 00:43:59.660 --> 00:44:00.160
  • I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH.MY HUSBAND'S NOT EVEN A
  • 00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:00.894
  • MY HUSBAND'S NOT EVEN ACHRISTIAN.
  • 00:44:00.894 --> 00:44:01.995
  • CHRISTIAN.YOU KNOW?
  • 00:44:01.995 --> 00:44:06.366
  • YOU KNOW?I DON'T TAKE MY KIDS TO CHURCH.
  • 00:44:06.366 --> 00:44:07.000
  • I DON'T TAKE MY KIDS TO CHURCH.BUT, THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDE
  • 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.535
  • BUT, THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDETHEM THAT WANTS TO NOT FEAR,
  • 00:44:08.535 --> 00:44:11.405
  • THEM THAT WANTS TO NOT FEAR,THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING
  • 00:44:11.405 --> 00:44:12.372
  • THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHINGAFRAID, BUT THEY JUST--
  • 00:44:12.372 --> 00:44:13.006
  • AFRAID, BUT THEY JUST--THEY'RE DISQUALIFYING
  • 00:44:13.006 --> 00:44:14.942
  • THEY'RE DISQUALIFYINGTHEMSELVES.
  • 00:44:14.942 --> 00:44:15.609
  • THEMSELVES.WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?
  • 00:44:15.609 --> 00:44:17.077
  • WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?- JOYCE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:44:17.077 --> 00:44:18.879
  • - JOYCE: WELL, FIRST OF ALL,THEY NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES IF
  • 00:44:18.879 --> 00:44:20.481
  • THEY NEED TO ASK THEMSELVES IFTHEY'RE BORN AGAIN -- HAVE THEY
  • 00:44:20.481 --> 00:44:21.482
  • THEY'RE BORN AGAIN -- HAVE THEYGIVEN THEIR LIFE TO CHRIST?
  • 00:44:21.482 --> 00:44:24.051
  • GIVEN THEIR LIFE TO CHRIST?BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE
  • 00:44:24.051 --> 00:44:26.186
  • BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONETHAT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT
  • 00:44:26.186 --> 00:44:27.454
  • THAT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THATHELPER LIVING ON THE INSIDE OF
  • 00:44:27.454 --> 00:44:28.355
  • HELPER LIVING ON THE INSIDE OFYOU THAT CAN HELP YOU...
  • 00:44:28.355 --> 00:44:28.989
  • YOU THAT CAN HELP YOU...- MATT: HELP THEM DO THAT IF
  • 00:44:28.989 --> 00:44:29.556
  • - MATT: HELP THEM DO THAT IFTHEY WANT TO.
  • 00:44:29.556 --> 00:44:30.090
  • THEY WANT TO.- JOYCE: ...YOU KNOW.
  • 00:44:30.090 --> 00:44:31.859
  • - JOYCE: ...YOU KNOW.IF...
  • 00:44:31.859 --> 00:44:33.160
  • IF...YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T-- IF YOU
  • 00:44:33.160 --> 00:44:34.328
  • YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T-- IF YOUDON'T HAVE JESUS IN YOUR LIFE,
  • 00:44:34.328 --> 00:44:35.662
  • DON'T HAVE JESUS IN YOUR LIFE,THEN...THAT'S THE FIRST THING
  • 00:44:35.662 --> 00:44:37.898
  • THEN...THAT'S THE FIRST THINGYOU NEED TO DO.
  • 00:44:37.898 --> 00:44:38.732
  • YOU NEED TO DO.NOW, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL TO
  • 00:44:38.732 --> 00:44:39.566
  • NOW, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL TOLEARN AFTER THAT.
  • 00:44:39.566 --> 00:44:41.702
  • LEARN AFTER THAT.BUT, IF YOU'VE NOT RECEIVED
  • 00:44:41.702 --> 00:44:42.836
  • BUT, IF YOU'VE NOT RECEIVEDCHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR, AND YOU
  • 00:44:42.836 --> 00:44:45.906
  • CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR, AND YOUWANT TO, I'M GONNA PRAY A VERY
  • 00:44:45.906 --> 00:44:47.307
  • WANT TO, I'M GONNA PRAY A VERYSIMPLE PRAYER WITH YOU.
  • 00:44:47.307 --> 00:44:49.176
  • SIMPLE PRAYER WITH YOU.IT'S NOT HARD.
  • 00:44:49.176 --> 00:44:50.844
  • IT'S NOT HARD.IT'S SO EASY THAT YOU THINK
  • 00:44:50.844 --> 00:44:52.412
  • IT'S SO EASY THAT YOU THINKTHAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE ALL
  • 00:44:52.412 --> 00:44:54.581
  • THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE ALLTHERE IS TO IT.
  • 00:44:54.581 --> 00:44:56.784
  • THERE IS TO IT.BUT, IF YOU ADMIT YOU'RE A
  • 00:44:56.784 --> 00:44:58.418
  • BUT, IF YOU ADMIT YOU'RE ASINNER, AND YOU ASK GOD TO
  • 00:44:58.418 --> 00:45:01.288
  • SINNER, AND YOU ASK GOD TOFORGIVE YOU FOR THOSE SINS, AND
  • 00:45:01.288 --> 00:45:03.323
  • FORGIVE YOU FOR THOSE SINS, ANDYOU'RE WILLING TO TURN AWAY
  • 00:45:03.323 --> 00:45:04.458
  • YOU'RE WILLING TO TURN AWAYFROM A SINFUL LIFE AND LEARN
  • 00:45:04.458 --> 00:45:05.592
  • FROM A SINFUL LIFE AND LEARNHOW TO LIVE FOR GOD, IF YOU
  • 00:45:05.592 --> 00:45:07.828
  • HOW TO LIVE FOR GOD, IF YOUWANT HIM IN YOUR LIFE...YOU
  • 00:45:07.828 --> 00:45:09.596
  • WANT HIM IN YOUR LIFE...YOUJUST PRAY THIS PRAYER, RIGHT
  • 00:45:09.596 --> 00:45:12.499
  • JUST PRAY THIS PRAYER, RIGHTAFTER ME, AND GOD'S GONNA DO
  • 00:45:12.499 --> 00:45:14.201
  • AFTER ME, AND GOD'S GONNA DOSOMETHING IN YOUR HEART.
  • 00:45:14.201 --> 00:45:16.103
  • SOMETHING IN YOUR HEART.YOU MAY FEEL SOMETHING, YOU MAY
  • 00:45:16.103 --> 00:45:16.870
  • YOU MAY FEEL SOMETHING, YOU MAYNOT, BUT GOD'S TRUE TO HIS
  • 00:45:16.870 --> 00:45:18.238
  • NOT, BUT GOD'S TRUE TO HISWORD.
  • 00:45:18.238 --> 00:45:18.806
  • WORD.JUST SAY: FATHER GOD, I LOVE
  • 00:45:18.806 --> 00:45:19.807
  • JUST SAY: FATHER GOD, I LOVEYOU.
  • 00:45:19.807 --> 00:45:21.241
  • YOU.- MATT: (WHISPERING) FATHER
  • 00:45:21.241 --> 00:45:22.042
  • - MATT: (WHISPERING) FATHERGOD...
  • 00:45:22.042 --> 00:45:23.277
  • GOD...- JOYCE: JESUS, I BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:45:23.277 --> 00:45:25.312
  • - JOYCE: JESUS, I BELIEVE THATYOU...ARE GOD, THE VERY ONLY
  • 00:45:25.312 --> 00:45:29.116
  • YOU...ARE GOD, THE VERY ONLYSON OF GOD.
  • 00:45:29.116 --> 00:45:33.287
  • SON OF GOD.I AM A SINNER.
  • 00:45:33.287 --> 00:45:34.755
  • I AM A SINNER.I'M SORRY FOR THE WAY I'VE
  • 00:45:34.755 --> 00:45:37.024
  • I'M SORRY FOR THE WAY I'VELIVED.
  • 00:45:37.024 --> 00:45:39.760
  • LIVED.[MUSIC CONTINUES IN BACKGROUND]
  • 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:41.995
  • [MUSIC CONTINUES IN BACKGROUND]I REPENT OF MY SINS.
  • 00:45:41.995 --> 00:45:42.863
  • I REPENT OF MY SINS.[MATT PRAYING QUIETLY]
  • 00:45:42.863 --> 00:45:43.764
  • [MATT PRAYING QUIETLY]I BELIEVE YOU DIED FOR MY SINS
  • 00:45:43.764 --> 00:45:45.365
  • I BELIEVE YOU DIED FOR MY SINSAND PAID THE PRICE.
  • 00:45:45.365 --> 00:45:48.402
  • AND PAID THE PRICE.COME INTO MY HEART...
  • 00:45:48.402 --> 00:45:52.072
  • COME INTO MY HEART...AND SAVE ME.
  • 00:45:52.072 --> 00:45:56.109
  • AND SAVE ME.I GIVE MYSELF TO YOU.
  • 00:45:56.109 --> 00:45:58.011
  • I GIVE MYSELF TO YOU.AND I RECEIVE YOU, TODAY, AS MY
  • 00:45:58.011 --> 00:45:58.946
  • AND I RECEIVE YOU, TODAY, AS MYLORD AND SAVIOR.
  • 00:45:58.946 --> 00:46:01.315
  • LORD AND SAVIOR.THANK YOU.
  • 00:46:01.315 --> 00:46:03.417
  • THANK YOU.- LAURIE: (QUIETLY) THANK YOU.
  • 00:46:03.417 --> 00:46:04.351
  • - LAURIE: (QUIETLY) THANK YOU.- JOYCE: NOW, YOU SAY, "WELL,
  • 00:46:04.351 --> 00:46:05.018
  • - JOYCE: NOW, YOU SAY, "WELL,I DIDN'T FEEL ANY STARS, I
  • 00:46:05.018 --> 00:46:05.853
  • I DIDN'T FEEL ANY STARS, IDIDN'T FEEL AN EXPLOSION."
  • 00:46:05.853 --> 00:46:07.988
  • DIDN'T FEEL AN EXPLOSION."YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:46:07.988 --> 00:46:08.689
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?DON'T EVEN LOOK FOR THAT.
  • 00:46:08.689 --> 00:46:09.723
  • DON'T EVEN LOOK FOR THAT.LOOK FOR PEACE.
  • 00:46:09.723 --> 00:46:10.290
  • LOOK FOR PEACE.- MATT: MMH.
  • 00:46:10.290 --> 00:46:11.291
  • - MATT: MMH.- JOYCE: I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:46:11.291 --> 00:46:12.392
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNAYOU'RE GONNA START TO
  • 00:46:12.392 --> 00:46:13.393
  • YOU'RE GONNA START TOEXPERIENCE MORE PEACE THAN WHAT
  • 00:46:13.393 --> 00:46:14.995
  • EXPERIENCE MORE PEACE THAN WHATYOU'VE EVER HAD BEFORE.
  • 00:46:14.995 --> 00:46:15.696
  • YOU'VE EVER HAD BEFORE.AND, YES, THERE'S A LOT TO
  • 00:46:15.696 --> 00:46:19.066
  • AND, YES, THERE'S A LOT TOLEARN.
  • 00:46:19.066 --> 00:46:19.700
  • LEARN.AND YOU HAVE NETWORKS LIKE TBN
  • 00:46:19.700 --> 00:46:21.101
  • AND YOU HAVE NETWORKS LIKE TBNAND PROGRAMS LIKE MINE AND LOTS
  • 00:46:21.101 --> 00:46:22.936
  • AND PROGRAMS LIKE MINE AND LOTSOF OTHERS THAT WILL HELP TEACH
  • 00:46:22.936 --> 00:46:24.972
  • OF OTHERS THAT WILL HELP TEACHYOU THOSE THINGS.
  • 00:46:24.972 --> 00:46:25.539
  • YOU THOSE THINGS.THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GREAT
  • 00:46:25.539 --> 00:46:27.107
  • THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GREATBOOKS AVAILABLE BY MANY
  • 00:46:27.107 --> 00:46:29.276
  • BOOKS AVAILABLE BY MANYDIFFERENT WONDERFUL AUTHORS
  • 00:46:29.276 --> 00:46:30.344
  • DIFFERENT WONDERFUL AUTHORSTHAT WILL TEACH YOU...HOW TO
  • 00:46:30.344 --> 00:46:31.745
  • THAT WILL TEACH YOU...HOW TOLIVE FOR GOD.
  • 00:46:31.745 --> 00:46:33.247
  • LIVE FOR GOD.SO.
  • 00:46:33.247 --> 00:46:36.049
  • SO.BUT, IF YOU'RE ALREADY A
  • 00:46:36.049 --> 00:46:37.651
  • BUT, IF YOU'RE ALREADY ACHRISTIAN, AND YOU'RE ONE OF
  • 00:46:37.651 --> 00:46:38.852
  • CHRISTIAN, AND YOU'RE ONE OFTHOSE PEOPLE THAT'S...FITS INTO
  • 00:46:38.852 --> 00:46:41.088
  • THOSE PEOPLE THAT'S...FITS INTOTHIS CATEGORY, LIKE MATT WAS
  • 00:46:41.088 --> 00:46:42.756
  • THIS CATEGORY, LIKE MATT WASTALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:46:42.756 --> 00:46:43.924
  • TALKING ABOUT.YOU DON'T...YOU DON'T FEEL GOOD
  • 00:46:43.924 --> 00:46:45.225
  • YOU DON'T...YOU DON'T FEEL GOODENOUGH.
  • 00:46:45.225 --> 00:46:46.660
  • ENOUGH.YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:46:46.660 --> 00:46:47.661
  • YOU KNOW WHAT?YOU'RE RIGHT.
  • 00:46:47.661 --> 00:46:49.429
  • YOU'RE RIGHT.YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND I'M
  • 00:46:49.429 --> 00:46:50.764
  • YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND I'MNOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR GOD TO DO
  • 00:46:50.764 --> 00:46:51.899
  • NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR GOD TO DOANYTHING FOR ME.
  • 00:46:51.899 --> 00:46:52.399
  • ANYTHING FOR ME.- MATT: THAT'S GOOD.
  • 00:46:52.399 --> 00:46:53.233
  • - MATT: THAT'S GOOD.- JOYCE: BUT HE DOES IT
  • 00:46:53.233 --> 00:46:57.938
  • - JOYCE: BUT HE DOES ITBECAUSE HE'S GOOD.
  • 00:46:57.938 --> 00:46:58.672
  • BECAUSE HE'S GOOD.AND, SEE, THAT'S THE COOL THING
  • 00:46:58.672 --> 00:46:59.206
  • AND, SEE, THAT'S THE COOL THINGABOUT GETTIN' INVOLVED
  • 00:46:59.206 --> 00:47:00.440
  • ABOUT GETTIN' INVOLVEDWITH GOD...
  • 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.875
  • WITH GOD...- MATT: WOW.
  • 00:47:01.875 --> 00:47:02.910
  • - MATT: WOW.- JOYCE: ...IS HE IS GOOD AND
  • 00:47:02.910 --> 00:47:05.212
  • - JOYCE: ...IS HE IS GOOD ANDHE IS GOOD ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:47:05.212 --> 00:47:05.812
  • HE IS GOOD ALL THE TIME.AND HE IS ESPECIALLY GOOD TO
  • 00:47:05.812 --> 00:47:07.447
  • AND HE IS ESPECIALLY GOOD TOTHOSE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT.
  • 00:47:07.447 --> 00:47:09.116
  • THOSE WHO DON'T DESERVE IT.BUT YOU NEED TO ASK.
  • 00:47:09.116 --> 00:47:10.550
  • BUT YOU NEED TO ASK.THE BIBLE SAYS YOU HAVE NOT
  • 00:47:10.550 --> 00:47:12.219
  • THE BIBLE SAYS YOU HAVE NOTBECAUSE YOU ASK NOT.
  • 00:47:12.219 --> 00:47:13.921
  • BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT.SO, YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK
  • 00:47:13.921 --> 00:47:15.188
  • SO, YOU GO AHEAD AND JUST ASKGOD TO HELP YOU...AND START
  • 00:47:15.188 --> 00:47:17.491
  • GOD TO HELP YOU...AND STARTSEEING WHAT HE'LL DO IN
  • 00:47:17.491 --> 00:47:19.826
  • SEEING WHAT HE'LL DO INYOUR LIFE.
  • 00:47:19.826 --> 00:47:20.961
  • YOUR LIFE.YOU'LL BE AMAZED.
  • 00:47:20.961 --> 00:47:21.428
  • YOU'LL BE AMAZED.- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
  • 00:47:21.428 --> 00:47:22.930
  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.- LAURIE: YEAH...
  • 00:47:22.930 --> 00:47:23.931
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...- MATT: WE ARE...(SIGHS)
  • 00:47:23.931 --> 00:47:24.998
  • - MATT: WE ARE...(SIGHS)...LEARNING TO DO IT AFRAID.
  • 00:47:24.998 --> 00:47:25.999
  • ...LEARNING TO DO IT AFRAID.UM, ALL SORTS OF...UM...
  • 00:47:25.999 --> 00:47:31.939
  • THIS "DO IT AFRAID" IS ALL--
  • 00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:37.177
  • THIS "DO IT AFRAID" IS ALL--IS DO THE FUTURE AFRAID.
  • 00:47:37.177 --> 00:47:37.678
  • IS DO THE FUTURE AFRAID.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:47:37.678 --> 00:47:40.347
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: DO IT AFRAID.
  • 00:47:40.347 --> 00:47:41.148
  • - MATT: DO IT AFRAID.DO SOMETHING GOD'S TOLD
  • 00:47:41.148 --> 00:47:42.182
  • DO SOMETHING GOD'S TOLDYOU TO DO.
  • 00:47:42.182 --> 00:47:42.716
  • YOU TO DO.JESUS DECLARED, "I AM
  • 00:47:42.716 --> 00:47:44.851
  • JESUS DECLARED, "I AMYOUR PEACE."
  • 00:47:44.851 --> 00:47:45.352
  • YOUR PEACE."- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:47:45.352 --> 00:47:46.453
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: SO, YOU'RE NOT LIVING
  • 00:47:46.453 --> 00:47:47.554
  • - MATT: SO, YOU'RE NOT LIVINGIN EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN.
  • 00:47:47.554 --> 00:47:49.790
  • IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:47:49.790 --> 00:47:51.425
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: YOUR FAITH CAN LAY
  • 00:47:51.425 --> 00:47:53.226
  • - MATT: YOUR FAITH CAN LAYHOLD OF THAT STATEMENT OF JESUS
  • 00:47:53.226 --> 00:47:54.428
  • HOLD OF THAT STATEMENT OF JESUSWHEN HE SAID: I AM YOUR PEACE.
  • 00:47:54.428 --> 00:47:55.896
  • WHEN HE SAID: I AM YOUR PEACE.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:47:55.896 --> 00:47:56.797
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: SO, HE EITHER IS
  • 00:47:56.797 --> 00:47:57.331
  • - MATT: SO, HE EITHER ISOR HE ISN'T.
  • 00:47:57.331 --> 00:47:57.731
  • OR HE ISN'T.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:47:57.731 --> 00:47:58.365
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS
  • 00:47:58.365 --> 00:47:59.266
  • - MATT: AND IT'S AS SIMPLE ASTHAT, KINDA -- ISN'T IT?
  • 00:47:59.266 --> 00:48:00.367
  • THAT, KINDA -- ISN'T IT?- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:48:00.367 --> 00:48:01.001
  • - JOYCE: YEAH."FEAR NOT, FOR I AM WITH YOU."
  • 00:48:01.001 --> 00:48:04.104
  • "FEAR NOT, FOR I AM WITH YOU."- MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:48:04.104 --> 00:48:04.705
  • - MATT AND LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
  • 00:48:04.705 --> 00:48:06.940
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, WHEN THEDISCIPLES GOT AFRAID...IN THE
  • 00:48:06.940 --> 00:48:07.541
  • DISCIPLES GOT AFRAID...IN THEBOAT, AND HE KINDA CORRECTED
  • 00:48:07.541 --> 00:48:10.243
  • BOAT, AND HE KINDA CORRECTEDTHEM, OR LOVINGLY REBUKED THEM,
  • 00:48:10.243 --> 00:48:11.378
  • THEM, OR LOVINGLY REBUKED THEM,FOR THEIR FEAR, HE SAID:
  • 00:48:11.378 --> 00:48:14.414
  • I AM."
  • 00:48:15.849 --> 00:48:16.550
  • I AM."- LAURIE: MMH...
  • 00:48:16.550 --> 00:48:17.217
  • - LAURIE: MMH...- JOYCE: AND THAT'S KIND OF AN
  • 00:48:17.217 --> 00:48:17.784
  • - JOYCE: AND THAT'S KIND OF ANINTERESTING THING.
  • 00:48:17.784 --> 00:48:18.618
  • INTERESTING THING.WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF "I AM"?
  • 00:48:18.618 --> 00:48:20.153
  • WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF "I AM"?WELL, HE'S NOT THE GREAT I WAS.
  • 00:48:20.153 --> 00:48:23.590
  • WELL, HE'S NOT THE GREAT I WAS.OR THE GREAT I WILL BE.
  • 00:48:23.590 --> 00:48:24.858
  • OR THE GREAT I WILL BE.HE'S THE GREAT I AM BECAUSE
  • 00:48:24.858 --> 00:48:27.127
  • HE'S THE GREAT I AM BECAUSEHE'S PRESENT WITH US, EVERY
  • 00:48:27.127 --> 00:48:31.598
  • HE'S PRESENT WITH US, EVERYSECOND OF OUR LIFE.
  • 00:48:31.598 --> 00:48:35.302
  • SECOND OF OUR LIFE.AND...WHEN JESUS ASCENDED, HE
  • 00:48:35.302 --> 00:48:36.603
  • AND...WHEN JESUS ASCENDED, HESENT THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO WAS
  • 00:48:36.603 --> 00:48:39.639
  • SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO WASALSO FULLY GOD -- GOD THE
  • 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:40.974
  • ALSO FULLY GOD -- GOD THEFATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE
  • 00:48:40.974 --> 00:48:47.314
  • FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THEHOLY SPIRIT -- TO LIVE IN US...
  • 00:48:47.314 --> 00:48:47.914
  • HOLY SPIRIT -- TO LIVE IN US...IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, HE WAS
  • 00:48:47.914 --> 00:48:48.682
  • IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, HE WASWITH PEOPLE.
  • 00:48:48.682 --> 00:48:50.050
  • WITH PEOPLE.BUT HE IS IN US AND HE'S CALLED
  • 00:48:50.050 --> 00:48:51.218
  • BUT HE IS IN US AND HE'S CALLEDTHE HELPER...
  • 00:48:51.218 --> 00:48:53.120
  • THE HELPER...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:48:53.120 --> 00:48:53.854
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THE COUNSELOR, THE
  • 00:48:53.854 --> 00:48:55.055
  • - JOYCE: ...THE COUNSELOR, THESTRENGTHENER.
  • 00:48:55.055 --> 00:48:57.290
  • STRENGTHENER.HE'S THERE TO HELP US WITH
  • 00:48:57.290 --> 00:48:59.693
  • HE'S THERE TO HELP US WITHEVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
  • 00:48:59.693 --> 00:49:00.527
  • EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.- LAURIE: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
  • 00:49:00.527 --> 00:49:04.531
  • - LAURIE: YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUWERE TALKING ABOUT...WHEN--
  • 00:49:04.531 --> 00:49:05.432
  • WERE TALKING ABOUT...WHEN--WHEN YOU START DOING THIS, WHEN
  • 00:49:05.432 --> 00:49:06.600
  • WHEN YOU START DOING THIS, WHENYOU STEP OUT IN FAITH, AND THEN
  • 00:49:06.600 --> 00:49:10.670
  • YOU STEP OUT IN FAITH, AND THENGOD MEETS YOU THERE...
  • 00:49:10.670 --> 00:49:11.304
  • GOD MEETS YOU THERE...AND THEN YOU TAKE ANOTHER STEP
  • 00:49:11.304 --> 00:49:12.339
  • AND THEN YOU TAKE ANOTHER STEPOF FAITH, AND GOD WILL MEET YOU
  • 00:49:12.339 --> 00:49:13.006
  • OF FAITH, AND GOD WILL MEET YOUTHERE, 'CAUSE HE'S SO FAITHFUL.
  • 00:49:13.006 --> 00:49:16.276
  • THERE, 'CAUSE HE'S SO FAITHFUL.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:49:16.276 --> 00:49:16.877
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- LAURIE: AND THE HARDER IT
  • 00:49:16.877 --> 00:49:17.778
  • - LAURIE: AND THE HARDER ITIT LOOKS, IT SEEMS LIKE
  • 00:49:17.778 --> 00:49:18.645
  • IT LOOKS, IT SEEMS LIKETHROUGH THE YEARS, AND,
  • 00:49:18.645 --> 00:49:20.714
  • THROUGH THE YEARS, AND,LIVING THIS OUT--
  • 00:49:20.714 --> 00:49:22.449
  • LIVING THIS OUT--AND WE'RE AT A RIPE
  • 00:49:22.449 --> 00:49:26.653
  • AND WE'RE AT A RIPEAGE OF LOOKING BACK NOW...
  • 00:49:26.653 --> 00:49:27.254
  • AGE OF LOOKING BACK NOW...- JOYCE: THAT'S A GOOD WAY
  • 00:49:27.254 --> 00:49:27.687
  • - JOYCE: THAT'S A GOOD WAYTO PUT IT.
  • 00:49:27.687 --> 00:49:28.622
  • TO PUT IT.- LAURIE: ...AND SAYING...
  • 00:49:28.622 --> 00:49:29.689
  • - LAURIE: ...AND SAYING...AND SAYING, "MAN, HE'S BEEN
  • 00:49:29.689 --> 00:49:31.758
  • AND SAYING, "MAN, HE'S BEENFAITHFUL, ALL ALONG."
  • 00:49:31.758 --> 00:49:33.026
  • FAITHFUL, ALL ALONG."AND THE HARDER IT LOOKS NOW,
  • 00:49:33.026 --> 00:49:35.328
  • AND THE HARDER IT LOOKS NOW,THE EASIER IT GETS.
  • 00:49:35.328 --> 00:49:36.096
  • THE EASIER IT GETS.- MATT: RIGHT.
  • 00:49:36.096 --> 00:49:37.564
  • - MATT: RIGHT.- LAURIE: BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE
  • 00:49:37.564 --> 00:49:38.365
  • - LAURIE: BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEFAITHFULNESS OF GOD.
  • 00:49:38.365 --> 00:49:38.999
  • FAITHFULNESS OF GOD.- JOYCE: THAT'S WHAT I MEANT
  • 00:49:38.999 --> 00:49:39.499
  • - JOYCE: THAT'S WHAT I MEANTBY HAVING EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:49:39.499 --> 00:49:39.866
  • BY HAVING EXPERIENCE.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:49:39.866 --> 00:49:41.101
  • - MATT: YEAH.- LAURIE: EXACTLY.
  • 00:49:41.101 --> 00:49:42.002
  • - LAURIE: EXACTLY.- JOYCE: AND SO, THESE PEOPLE
  • 00:49:42.002 --> 00:49:43.703
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, THESE PEOPLEWHO DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE
  • 00:49:43.703 --> 00:49:46.173
  • WHO DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCEWITH GOD -- THE ONLY WAY
  • 00:49:46.173 --> 00:49:47.207
  • WITH GOD -- THE ONLY WAYTHEY'RE GOING TO GET IT IS TO
  • 00:49:47.207 --> 00:49:47.841
  • THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT IS TOSTEP OUT INTO THESE THINGS
  • 00:49:47.841 --> 00:49:49.743
  • GIVE GOD A CHANCE TO BE
  • 00:49:50.944 --> 00:49:53.013
  • GIVE GOD A CHANCE TO BEFAITHFUL TO YOU.
  • 00:49:53.013 --> 00:49:54.081
  • FAITHFUL TO YOU.- LAURIE: YES.
  • 00:49:54.081 --> 00:49:54.781
  • - LAURIE: YES.- JOYCE: DON'T JUST KEEP
  • 00:49:54.781 --> 00:49:55.315
  • - JOYCE: DON'T JUST KEEPTRYING TO DO EVERYTHING
  • 00:49:55.315 --> 00:49:56.183
  • TRYING TO DO EVERYTHINGYOURSELF.
  • 00:49:56.183 --> 00:49:57.084
  • YOURSELF.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:49:57.084 --> 00:49:57.651
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND, THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:49:57.651 --> 00:49:58.785
  • - JOYCE: AND, THAT'S WHATMAKES PEOPLE MISERABLE.
  • 00:49:58.785 --> 00:49:59.219
  • MAKES PEOPLE MISERABLE.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:49:59.219 --> 00:50:00.654
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: IT'S TRYING TO TAKE
  • 00:50:00.654 --> 00:50:01.488
  • - JOYCE: IT'S TRYING TO TAKECARE OF YOURSELF ALL THE TIME
  • 00:50:01.488 --> 00:50:02.889
  • CARE OF YOURSELF ALL THE TIMEWHEN GOD WANTS TO HELP YOU AND
  • 00:50:02.889 --> 00:50:03.657
  • WHEN GOD WANTS TO HELP YOU ANDBE INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING THAT
  • 00:50:03.657 --> 00:50:04.624
  • BE INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING THATYOU DO.
  • 00:50:04.624 --> 00:50:05.625
  • YOU DO.- LAURIE: SO GOOD.
  • 00:50:05.625 --> 00:50:06.760
  • - LAURIE: SO GOOD.- MATT: SO, THIS-- THIS WHOLE
  • 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:07.894
  • - MATT: SO, THIS-- THIS WHOLEINTERVIEW HAS FELT LIKE A
  • 00:50:07.894 --> 00:50:09.729
  • BECAUSE, JOYCE, YOU SELF-
  • 00:50:11.698 --> 00:50:13.400
  • BECAUSE, JOYCE, YOU SELF-ADMITTEDLY -- AND, LOOK, WE'VE
  • 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:14.601
  • ADMITTEDLY -- AND, LOOK, WE'VEKNOWN EACH OTHER SINCE THE
  • 00:50:14.601 --> 00:50:18.271
  • KNOWN EACH OTHER SINCE THEMID-80s OR SO...
  • 00:50:18.271 --> 00:50:19.139
  • MID-80s OR SO...- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:20.407
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: ...AND, I USED TO DO
  • 00:50:20.407 --> 00:50:22.742
  • - MATT: ...AND, I USED TO DOYOUR LIGHTING FOR YOU, WAY BACK
  • 00:50:22.742 --> 00:50:23.343
  • YOUR LIGHTING FOR YOU, WAY BACKIN THE DAY WHEN YOU RENTED A
  • 00:50:23.343 --> 00:50:26.480
  • IN THE DAY WHEN YOU RENTED AFACILITY CALLED MELODY LAND...
  • 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:26.980
  • FACILITY CALLED MELODY LAND...- JOYCE: OH, MY GOSH...
  • 00:50:26.980 --> 00:50:27.881
  • - JOYCE: OH, MY GOSH...- MATT: ...IN ORANGE COUNTY,
  • 00:50:27.881 --> 00:50:28.448
  • - MATT: ...IN ORANGE COUNTY,CALIFORNIA, OKAY?
  • 00:50:28.448 --> 00:50:29.216
  • CALIFORNIA, OKAY?BACK WHEN YOU WERE DOIN'...
  • 00:50:29.216 --> 00:50:30.117
  • BACK WHEN YOU WERE DOIN'...THAT--
  • 00:50:30.117 --> 00:50:31.218
  • THAT--- JOYCE: YEAH.
  • 00:50:31.218 --> 00:50:31.985
  • - JOYCE: YEAH.- MATT: --I WAS THE VENDOR.
  • 00:50:31.985 --> 00:50:33.286
  • - MATT: --I WAS THE VENDOR.- JOYCE: YOU-- YOU WERE THE
  • 00:50:33.286 --> 00:50:33.720
  • - JOYCE: YOU-- YOU WERE THELIGHTING GUY.
  • 00:50:33.720 --> 00:50:34.888
  • LIGHTING GUY.- MATT: I WAS YOUR LIGHTING
  • 00:50:34.888 --> 00:50:36.756
  • - MATT: I WAS YOUR LIGHTINGGUY WAY BACK IN THE DAY.
  • 00:50:36.756 --> 00:50:37.157
  • GUY WAY BACK IN THE DAY.[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:50:37.157 --> 00:50:42.162
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]BUT, YOU, BASICALLY, ARE
  • 00:50:42.162 --> 00:50:43.096
  • BUT, YOU, BASICALLY, ARENOW SELF-ADMITTEDLY SAYING YOU
  • 00:50:43.096 --> 00:50:44.097
  • NOW SELF-ADMITTEDLY SAYING YOUWERE THE LEAST LIKELY-- YOU
  • 00:50:44.097 --> 00:50:46.500
  • WERE THE LEAST LIKELY-- YOUWERE KIND OF SCREWED UP
  • 00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:47.567
  • WERE KIND OF SCREWED UPBACK IN THOSE DAYS.
  • 00:50:47.567 --> 00:50:48.034
  • BACK IN THOSE DAYS.- JOYCE: [LAUGHS]
  • 00:50:48.034 --> 00:50:51.004
  • - JOYCE: [LAUGHS]"KIND OF" DOESN'T COVER IT.
  • 00:50:51.004 --> 00:50:51.605
  • "KIND OF" DOESN'T COVER IT.- MATT: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:50:51.605 --> 00:50:52.439
  • - MATT: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:50:52.439 --> 00:50:53.006
  • [LAUGHTER]SO, YOU WERE SCREWED UP IN
  • 00:50:53.006 --> 00:50:54.908
  • SO, YOU WERE SCREWED UP INTHOSE DAYS AND YOU'RE PAST IT.
  • 00:50:54.908 --> 00:50:56.510
  • THOSE DAYS AND YOU'RE PAST IT.SO, YOU HAVE DELIVERED A LOT OF
  • 00:50:56.510 --> 00:50:58.945
  • SO, YOU HAVE DELIVERED A LOT OFWISDOM THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
  • 00:50:58.945 --> 00:51:00.680
  • WISDOM THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DID
  • 00:51:00.680 --> 00:51:02.082
  • WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DIDSOMETHING AFRAID?
  • 00:51:02.082 --> 00:51:05.519
  • SOMETHING AFRAID?- JOYCE: I PROBABLY DO IT ALL
  • 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:06.052
  • - JOYCE: I PROBABLY DO IT ALLTHE TIME.
  • 00:51:06.052 --> 00:51:07.354
  • THE TIME.OKAY, WELL, LET'S JUST-- LET'S
  • 00:51:07.354 --> 00:51:08.321
  • OKAY, WELL, LET'S JUST-- LET'SJUST SAY...WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE
  • 00:51:08.321 --> 00:51:10.157
  • JUST SAY...WE'RE IN THE MIDDLEOF THIS PANDEMIC.
  • 00:51:10.157 --> 00:51:11.258
  • OF THIS PANDEMIC.WE CAN'T HAVE OUR CONFERENCES.
  • 00:51:11.258 --> 00:51:11.691
  • WE CAN'T HAVE OUR CONFERENCES.- MATT: OKAY.
  • 00:51:11.691 --> 00:51:13.593
  • - MATT: OKAY.- JOYCE: SO...I STILL GOTTA BE
  • 00:51:13.593 --> 00:51:16.296
  • - JOYCE: SO...I STILL GOTTA BEON TV.
  • 00:51:16.296 --> 00:51:16.763
  • ON TV.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:51:16.763 --> 00:51:17.397
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: SO, WHAT AM I GONNA
  • 00:51:17.397 --> 00:51:17.731
  • - JOYCE: SO, WHAT AM I GONNADO?
  • 00:51:17.731 --> 00:51:18.832
  • DO?WELL, NOW, I'M DOIN' MY
  • 00:51:18.832 --> 00:51:21.434
  • WELL, NOW, I'M DOIN' MYCONFERENCES WITH NO PEOPLE...
  • 00:51:21.434 --> 00:51:23.036
  • CONFERENCES WITH NO PEOPLE...AND I'M JUST TALKIN' TO
  • 00:51:23.036 --> 00:51:24.938
  • AND I'M JUST TALKIN' TOCAMERAS.
  • 00:51:24.938 --> 00:51:25.672
  • CAMERAS.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:51:25.672 --> 00:51:28.241
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: WELL...AT FIRST, I
  • 00:51:28.241 --> 00:51:30.210
  • - JOYCE: WELL...AT FIRST, ITHOUGHT: I CAN'T DO THAT!
  • 00:51:30.210 --> 00:51:30.710
  • THOUGHT: I CAN'T DO THAT!- MATT: OH, WOW.
  • 00:51:30.710 --> 00:51:31.244
  • - MATT: OH, WOW.REALLY?
  • 00:51:31.244 --> 00:51:32.279
  • REALLY?- JOYCE: I GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE.
  • 00:51:32.279 --> 00:51:32.679
  • - JOYCE: I GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE.YOU KNOW?
  • 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:33.580
  • YOU KNOW?- MATT: MY GOODNESS...
  • 00:51:33.580 --> 00:51:34.748
  • - MATT: MY GOODNESS...- JOYCE: I MEAN, IF
  • 00:51:34.748 --> 00:51:35.782
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, IFYOU'RE FUNNY, NOBODY LAUGHS.
  • 00:51:35.782 --> 00:51:36.650
  • YOU'RE FUNNY, NOBODY LAUGHS.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING
  • 00:51:36.650 --> 00:51:39.452
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHINGHEARTILY]
  • 00:51:39.452 --> 00:51:39.953
  • HEARTILY]- MATT: I HATE THAT,
  • 00:51:39.953 --> 00:51:40.487
  • - MATT: I HATE THAT,BY THE WAY.
  • 00:51:40.487 --> 00:51:40.954
  • BY THE WAY.[LAUGHTER]
  • 00:51:40.954 --> 00:51:42.022
  • [LAUGHTER]- JOYCE: I MEAN, IT'S LIKE--
  • 00:51:42.022 --> 00:51:42.589
  • - JOYCE: I MEAN, IT'S LIKE--IT'S LIKE THE MOST DEADPAN
  • 00:51:42.589 --> 00:51:43.456
  • IT'S LIKE THE MOST DEADPANTHING...
  • 00:51:43.456 --> 00:51:44.324
  • THING...[MATT LAUGHING]
  • 00:51:44.324 --> 00:51:45.125
  • [MATT LAUGHING]- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:51:45.125 --> 00:51:46.226
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...TO TRY TO...
  • 00:51:46.226 --> 00:51:49.095
  • - JOYCE: ...TO TRY TO...BE ANOINTED TO A CAMERA LENS.
  • 00:51:49.095 --> 00:51:50.363
  • BE ANOINTED TO A CAMERA LENS.AND SO, I HAD TO REALLY TRUST
  • 00:51:50.363 --> 00:51:52.265
  • AND SO, I HAD TO REALLY TRUSTGOD THAT HE WAS GOING TO GIVE
  • 00:51:52.265 --> 00:51:53.934
  • GOD THAT HE WAS GOING TO GIVEME A DIFFERENT, A SPECIAL--
  • 00:51:53.934 --> 00:51:55.135
  • ME A DIFFERENT, A SPECIAL--- MATT: THAT IS INTERESTING.
  • 00:51:55.135 --> 00:51:55.702
  • - MATT: THAT IS INTERESTING.- JOYCE: --A UNIQUE KIND
  • 00:51:55.702 --> 00:51:56.403
  • - JOYCE: --A UNIQUE KINDOF ANOINTING.
  • 00:51:56.403 --> 00:51:57.704
  • OF ANOINTING.AND, YOU KNOW, NOW -- I MEAN,
  • 00:51:57.704 --> 00:51:59.973
  • AND, YOU KNOW, NOW -- I MEAN,THEY TELL ME I'M REALLY GOOD
  • 00:51:59.973 --> 00:52:01.775
  • THEY TELL ME I'M REALLY GOODAT IT.
  • 00:52:01.775 --> 00:52:04.110
  • AT IT.AND, SOME PEOPLE LIKE IT
  • 00:52:04.110 --> 00:52:05.011
  • AND, SOME PEOPLE LIKE ITEVEN BETTER...
  • 00:52:05.011 --> 00:52:05.679
  • EVEN BETTER...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:06.746
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...BECAUSE IT'S MORE PERSONAL.
  • 00:52:06.746 --> 00:52:08.014
  • ...BECAUSE IT'S MORE PERSONAL.- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:52:08.014 --> 00:52:08.615
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: NOW, IT'S HARDER,
  • 00:52:08.615 --> 00:52:09.082
  • - JOYCE: NOW, IT'S HARDER,PHYSICALLY--
  • 00:52:09.082 --> 00:52:09.883
  • PHYSICALLY--- LAURIE: SURE.
  • 00:52:09.883 --> 00:52:10.951
  • - LAURIE: SURE.- JOYCE: --BECAUSE...IF YOU'RE
  • 00:52:10.951 --> 00:52:11.952
  • - JOYCE: --BECAUSE...IF YOU'REIN A CROWD OF PEOPLE, EVERY
  • 00:52:11.952 --> 00:52:12.886
  • IN A CROWD OF PEOPLE, EVERYTIME THEY CLAP, YOU GET TO
  • 00:52:12.886 --> 00:52:14.621
  • TIME THEY CLAP, YOU GET TOREST A SECOND.
  • 00:52:14.621 --> 00:52:15.121
  • REST A SECOND.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:52:15.121 --> 00:52:15.655
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.[LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:15.655 --> 00:52:16.223
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: EVERY TIME THEY
  • 00:52:16.223 --> 00:52:16.723
  • - JOYCE: EVERY TIME THEYLAUGH, YOU GET TO REST
  • 00:52:16.723 --> 00:52:17.257
  • LAUGH, YOU GET TO RESTA SECOND.
  • 00:52:17.257 --> 00:52:18.325
  • A SECOND.- MATT: YEAH!
  • 00:52:18.325 --> 00:52:19.226
  • - MATT: YEAH!- JOYCE: WELL, WHEN YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:52:19.226 --> 00:52:20.060
  • - JOYCE: WELL, WHEN YOU'RE NOTHEARING ANY OF THE CLAPPING
  • 00:52:20.060 --> 00:52:21.628
  • HEARING ANY OF THE CLAPPINGOR...OR EVEN, LIKE, WHEN I GET
  • 00:52:21.628 --> 00:52:22.529
  • OR...OR EVEN, LIKE, WHEN I GETFINISHED AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE
  • 00:52:22.529 --> 00:52:23.597
  • FINISHED AND I FEEL LIKE I'VEPREACHED MY HEART OUT--
  • 00:52:23.597 --> 00:52:24.431
  • PREACHED MY HEART OUT--- LAURIE: THE FEEDBACK!
  • 00:52:24.431 --> 00:52:25.098
  • - LAURIE: THE FEEDBACK!- JOYCE: IT'S JUST TOTALLY
  • 00:52:25.098 --> 00:52:26.233
  • - JOYCE: IT'S JUST TOTALLYDEAD IN THE STUDIO.
  • 00:52:26.233 --> 00:52:27.234
  • DEAD IN THE STUDIO.[MATT CLAPS, ECHO OF EMPTY
  • 00:52:27.234 --> 00:52:27.734
  • [MATT CLAPS, ECHO OF EMPTYSTUDIO]
  • 00:52:27.734 --> 00:52:28.969
  • STUDIO]IT'S LIKE...I FEEL LIKE I NEED
  • 00:52:28.969 --> 00:52:29.769
  • IT'S LIKE...I FEEL LIKE I NEEDTO HIRE ME A COUPLE OF CLAPPERS
  • 00:52:29.769 --> 00:52:30.937
  • TO HIRE ME A COUPLE OF CLAPPERSTO SIT IN THERE, ACTUALLY.
  • 00:52:30.937 --> 00:52:31.504
  • TO SIT IN THERE, ACTUALLY.[MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]
  • 00:52:31.504 --> 00:52:32.105
  • [MATT AND LAURIE LAUGHING]- LAURIE: WHERE'S THE CLAP
  • 00:52:32.105 --> 00:52:32.472
  • - LAURIE: WHERE'S THE CLAPTRACK?
  • 00:52:32.472 --> 00:52:32.906
  • TRACK?[LAUGHS]
  • 00:52:32.906 --> 00:52:33.406
  • [LAUGHS]- JOYCE: CLAP! CLAP!
  • 00:52:33.406 --> 00:52:34.341
  • - JOYCE: CLAP! CLAP!THIS IS WHERE YOU CLAP!
  • 00:52:34.341 --> 00:52:35.008
  • THIS IS WHERE YOU CLAP!- MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:52:35.008 --> 00:52:36.376
  • - MATT: OH, MY GOODNESS.- JOYCE: AND SO, I HAD TO--
  • 00:52:36.376 --> 00:52:37.010
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, I HAD TO--- LAURIE: IT'S TRUE, THOUGH,
  • 00:52:37.010 --> 00:52:37.310
  • - LAURIE: IT'S TRUE, THOUGH,ISN'T IT?
  • 00:52:37.310 --> 00:52:38.078
  • ISN'T IT?- MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.
  • 00:52:38.078 --> 00:52:38.845
  • - MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.- JOYCE: I HAD TO STEP
  • 00:52:38.845 --> 00:52:39.613
  • - JOYCE: I HAD TO STEPOUT...AND DO THAT...
  • 00:52:39.613 --> 00:52:40.213
  • OUT...AND DO THAT...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:52:40.213 --> 00:52:40.880
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...AND...
  • 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.350
  • - JOYCE: ...AND...- MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.
  • 00:52:43.350 --> 00:52:43.984
  • - MATT: THAT'S INTERESTING.- JOYCE: ...BELIEVE THAT GOD--
  • 00:52:43.984 --> 00:52:44.651
  • - JOYCE: ...BELIEVE THAT GOD--SO, I THINK, REALLY, WE'RE
  • 00:52:44.651 --> 00:52:45.986
  • SO, I THINK, REALLY, WE'REALWAYS DOING THINGS AFRAID.
  • 00:52:45.986 --> 00:52:46.386
  • ALWAYS DOING THINGS AFRAID.- LAURIE: YEAH...
  • 00:52:46.386 --> 00:52:47.754
  • - LAURIE: YEAH...- MATT: INTERESTING.
  • 00:52:47.754 --> 00:52:48.588
  • - MATT: INTERESTING.- JOYCE: YOU KNOW, ALWAYS.
  • 00:52:48.588 --> 00:52:49.656
  • - JOYCE: YOU KNOW, ALWAYS.WE JUST-- WHEN IT BECOMES A
  • 00:52:49.656 --> 00:52:51.691
  • WE JUST-- WHEN IT BECOMES APART OF YOU, WHEN YOU--
  • 00:52:51.691 --> 00:52:53.526
  • PART OF YOU, WHEN YOU--YOU KNOW, THIS KNOWING GOD...
  • 00:52:53.526 --> 00:52:55.295
  • YOU KNOW, THIS KNOWING GOD...- MATT: MMH...
  • 00:52:55.295 --> 00:52:56.763
  • - MATT: MMH...- JOYCE: ...KNOWING HIS
  • 00:52:56.763 --> 00:52:58.298
  • - JOYCE: ...KNOWING HISCHARACTER AND HAVING EXPERIENCE
  • 00:52:58.298 --> 00:52:59.933
  • CHARACTER AND HAVING EXPERIENCEWITH HIM, IT'S JUST...IT'S SO
  • 00:52:59.933 --> 00:53:03.637
  • WITH HIM, IT'S JUST...IT'S SOVALUABLE TO GO THROUGH THE
  • 00:53:03.637 --> 00:53:06.640
  • VALUABLE TO GO THROUGH THETHINGS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH,
  • 00:53:06.640 --> 00:53:07.507
  • THINGS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH,OR THE THINGS THAT YOUR MOM AND
  • 00:53:07.507 --> 00:53:08.041
  • OR THE THINGS THAT YOUR MOM ANDDAD WENT THROUGH.
  • 00:53:08.041 --> 00:53:08.975
  • DAD WENT THROUGH.- MATT: MM-HMM.
  • 00:53:08.975 --> 00:53:09.809
  • - MATT: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: AND I WANNA TELL YOU
  • 00:53:09.809 --> 00:53:11.845
  • - JOYCE: AND I WANNA TELL YOUSOMETHING: THERE'S NOBODY...
  • 00:53:11.845 --> 00:53:13.446
  • SOMETHING: THERE'S NOBODY...THAT'S A REAL, TRUE, GENUINE
  • 00:53:13.446 --> 00:53:14.014
  • THAT'S A REAL, TRUE, GENUINESUCCESS THAT HASN'T BEEN
  • 00:53:14.014 --> 00:53:16.783
  • SUCCESS THAT HASN'T BEENTHROUGH...
  • 00:53:16.783 --> 00:53:17.217
  • THROUGH...- MATT: WOW...
  • 00:53:17.217 --> 00:53:17.984
  • - MATT: WOW...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:53:17.984 --> 00:53:18.485
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THAT KIND
  • 00:53:18.485 --> 00:53:19.119
  • - JOYCE: ...THAT KINDOF STUFF.
  • 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.387
  • OF STUFF.- JOYCE: AND IF YOU'RE NOT
  • 00:53:20.387 --> 00:53:21.021
  • - JOYCE: AND IF YOU'RE NOTWILLING TO GO THROUGH THAT, IF
  • 00:53:21.021 --> 00:53:21.721
  • WILLING TO GO THROUGH THAT, IFYOU'RE GONNA GIVE UP IN THAT,
  • 00:53:21.721 --> 00:53:22.355
  • YOU'RE GONNA GIVE UP IN THAT,YOU'RE NEVER GONNA MAKE IT TO
  • 00:53:22.355 --> 00:53:22.956
  • YOU'RE NEVER GONNA MAKE IT TOTHE END.
  • 00:53:22.956 --> 00:53:23.723
  • THE END.- MATT: MM-HMM.
  • 00:53:23.723 --> 00:53:24.557
  • - MATT: MM-HMM.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:53:24.557 --> 00:53:25.091
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: FULFILLMENT OF
  • 00:53:25.091 --> 00:53:25.425
  • - JOYCE: FULFILLMENT OFYOUR DREAMS.
  • 00:53:25.425 --> 00:53:26.059
  • YOUR DREAMS.I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THERE'S A
  • 00:53:26.059 --> 00:53:26.693
  • I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THERE'S ABEGINNING, THERE'S A MIDDLE,
  • 00:53:26.693 --> 00:53:27.794
  • BEGINNING, THERE'S A MIDDLE,AND THERE'S AN END.
  • 00:53:27.794 --> 00:53:29.462
  • AND THERE'S AN END.AND BEGINNINGS ARE EXCITING.
  • 00:53:29.462 --> 00:53:30.330
  • AND BEGINNINGS ARE EXCITING.[SLAPS HAND HARD]
  • 00:53:30.330 --> 00:53:31.064
  • [SLAPS HAND HARD][MATT LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:31.064 --> 00:53:32.032
  • [MATT LAUGHS]EVERYBODY'S HAPPY FOR YOU...
  • 00:53:32.032 --> 00:53:33.099
  • EVERYBODY'S HAPPY FOR YOU...[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:33.099 --> 00:53:33.833
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]...FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
  • 00:53:33.833 --> 00:53:34.734
  • ...FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.- MATT: YEAH.
  • 00:53:34.734 --> 00:53:35.969
  • - MATT: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND THEN, YOU FIND
  • 00:53:35.969 --> 00:53:37.804
  • - JOYCE: AND THEN, YOU FINDIT'S JUST YOU...AND GOD...AND
  • 00:53:37.804 --> 00:53:40.073
  • IT'S JUST YOU...AND GOD...ANDYOUR DREAM.
  • 00:53:40.073 --> 00:53:40.974
  • YOUR DREAM.AND THE DEVIL'S TELLING YOU
  • 00:53:40.974 --> 00:53:41.808
  • AND THE DEVIL'S TELLING YOUYOU'RE CRAZY.
  • 00:53:41.808 --> 00:53:42.776
  • YOU'RE CRAZY.- LAURIE: MM-HMM.
  • 00:53:42.776 --> 00:53:43.710
  • - LAURIE: MM-HMM.- JOYCE: AND, HAVE YOU EVER
  • 00:53:43.710 --> 00:53:44.944
  • - JOYCE: AND, HAVE YOU EVERNOTICED HOW SLOW GOD IS?
  • 00:53:44.944 --> 00:53:45.478
  • NOTICED HOW SLOW GOD IS?[LAURIE LAUGHS]
  • 00:53:45.478 --> 00:53:46.646
  • [LAURIE LAUGHS]- MATT: MMH...
  • 00:53:46.646 --> 00:53:47.280
  • - MATT: MMH...- JOYCE: HOW HE JUST...TAKES
  • 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.417
  • - JOYCE: HOW HE JUST...TAKESHIS TIME ABOUT THINGS.
  • 00:53:50.417 --> 00:53:51.051
  • HIS TIME ABOUT THINGS.AND THINGS HE COULD DO IN JUST
  • 00:53:51.051 --> 00:53:52.285
  • AND THINGS HE COULD DO IN JUSTA FEW SECONDS, HE TAKES...YEARS
  • 00:53:52.285 --> 00:53:55.455
  • A FEW SECONDS, HE TAKES...YEARSTO DO.
  • 00:53:55.455 --> 00:53:55.922
  • TO DO.- LAURIE: YEARS.
  • 00:53:55.922 --> 00:53:57.090
  • - LAURIE: YEARS.- JOYCE: AND, THERE'S THE END.
  • 00:53:57.090 --> 00:53:58.058
  • - JOYCE: AND, THERE'S THE END.WELL, WE'RE ALL-- WHEN YOU
  • 00:53:58.058 --> 00:53:59.559
  • WELL, WE'RE ALL-- WHEN YOUFINISH AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT
  • 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.461
  • FINISH AND IT'S BEEN A GREATSUCCESS, THAT'S EXCITING.
  • 00:54:01.461 --> 00:54:03.096
  • SUCCESS, THAT'S EXCITING.BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE NEVER MAKE
  • 00:54:03.096 --> 00:54:04.264
  • BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE NEVER MAKEIT THROUGH THE MIDDLE.
  • 00:54:04.264 --> 00:54:04.764
  • IT THROUGH THE MIDDLE.- MATT: MMH.
  • 00:54:04.764 --> 00:54:06.099
  • - MATT: MMH.- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:54:06.099 --> 00:54:07.534
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: AND SO, EVEN IN THESE
  • 00:54:07.534 --> 00:54:08.702
  • - JOYCE: AND SO, EVEN IN THESETIMES WE'RE IN, RIGHT NOW, THE
  • 00:54:08.702 --> 00:54:10.437
  • TIMES WE'RE IN, RIGHT NOW, THEWHOLE WORLD'S IN THE MIDDLE OF
  • 00:54:10.437 --> 00:54:11.538
  • WHOLE WORLD'S IN THE MIDDLE OFSOMETHING...
  • 00:54:11.538 --> 00:54:12.672
  • SOMETHING...- LAURIE: YEAH.
  • 00:54:12.672 --> 00:54:13.273
  • - LAURIE: YEAH.- JOYCE: ...THAT WE'RE NOT
  • 00:54:13.273 --> 00:54:14.240
  • - JOYCE: ...THAT WE'RE NOTEVEN 100 PERCENT FOR SURE WHAT
  • 00:54:14.240 --> 00:54:15.875
  • EVEN 100 PERCENT FOR SURE WHATIT IS...
  • 00:54:15.875 --> 00:54:17.310
  • IT IS...- MATT: MMH.
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  • - MATT: MMH.- JOYCE: ...OR HOW LONG IT'S
  • 00:54:17.944 --> 00:54:18.712
  • - JOYCE: ...OR HOW LONG IT'SGONNA LAST.
  • 00:54:18.712 --> 00:54:20.680
  • GONNA LAST.BUT, LET'S HAVE A TESTIMONY...
  • 00:54:20.680 --> 00:54:23.850
  • BUT, LET'S HAVE A TESTIMONY...WHEN IT'S FINISHED: I'M STILL
  • 00:54:23.850 --> 00:54:25.085
  • WHEN IT'S FINISHED: I'M STILLHERE.
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  • HERE.- LAURIE: AMEN.
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  • - LAURIE: AMEN.- MATT: BEAUTIFUL.
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  • - MATT: BEAUTIFUL.- LAURIE: SO GOOD.
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  • - LAURIE: SO GOOD.DO IT AFRAID.
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  • DO IT AFRAID.- MATT: MY, UH...
  • 00:54:29.689 --> 00:54:30.223
  • - MATT: MY, UH...[EXHALES]
  • 00:54:30.223 --> 00:54:31.057
  • [EXHALES]...MY DADDY USED TO SAY,
  • 00:54:31.057 --> 00:54:32.692
  • ...MY DADDY USED TO SAY,"GOD"--
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  • "GOD"--YOU KNOW, "GOD, WHY DO YOU WAIT
  • 00:54:33.827 --> 00:54:35.128
  • YOU KNOW, "GOD, WHY DO YOU WAITTILL THE LAST MINUTE ALL THE
  • 00:54:35.128 --> 00:54:35.862
  • TILL THE LAST MINUTE ALL THETIME?"
  • 00:54:35.862 --> 00:54:37.030
  • TIME?"WHEN THE-- YOU KNOW, WHEN THE
  • 00:54:37.030 --> 00:54:38.531
  • WHEN THE-- YOU KNOW, WHEN THEEGYPTIAN ARMY IS SWOOPING DOWN
  • 00:54:38.531 --> 00:54:39.866
  • EGYPTIAN ARMY IS SWOOPING DOWNON THE ISRAELIS--
  • 00:54:39.866 --> 00:54:40.400
  • ON THE ISRAELIS--- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:41.901
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: --AND, YOU KNOW, THE
  • 00:54:41.901 --> 00:54:42.469
  • - MATT: --AND, YOU KNOW, THERED SEA PARTS AT THE LAST
  • 00:54:42.469 --> 00:54:43.036
  • RED SEA PARTS AT THE LASTMINUTE.
  • 00:54:43.036 --> 00:54:44.003
  • MINUTE.AND HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY, "SO
  • 00:54:44.003 --> 00:54:48.208
  • AND HE WOULD ALWAYS SAY, "SOTHAT MAN WOULD KNOW THEY HE
  • 00:54:48.208 --> 00:54:49.109
  • THAT MAN WOULD KNOW THEY HECAN'T HAVE THE GLORY, THAT THE
  • 00:54:49.109 --> 00:54:49.976
  • CAN'T HAVE THE GLORY, THAT THEGLORY HAS TO GO TO GOD,"
  • 00:54:49.976 --> 00:54:50.677
  • GLORY HAS TO GO TO GOD,"YOU KNOW.
  • 00:54:50.677 --> 00:54:51.077
  • YOU KNOW.- JOYCE: RIGHT.
  • 00:54:51.077 --> 00:54:52.145
  • - JOYCE: RIGHT.- MATT: YOU KNOW, SUCH A...
  • 00:54:52.145 --> 00:54:55.682
  • - MATT: YOU KNOW, SUCH A...SUCH A DEEP SUBJECT.
  • 00:54:55.682 --> 00:54:57.684
  • SUCH A DEEP SUBJECT.THIS BOOK, "DO IT AFRAID."
  • 00:54:57.684 --> 00:54:59.052
  • THIS BOOK, "DO IT AFRAID."IS BRAND NEW.
  • 00:54:59.052 --> 00:55:01.721
  • IS BRAND NEW.IT IS PUBLISHED HERE IN 2020.
  • 00:55:01.721 --> 00:55:02.956
  • IT IS PUBLISHED HERE IN 2020."DO IT AFRAID: EMBRACING
  • 00:55:02.956 --> 00:55:06.459
  • "DO IT AFRAID: EMBRACINGCOURAGE IN THE FACE OF FEAR."
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  • COURAGE IN THE FACE OF FEAR."JOYCE MEYER, THANK YOU FOR
  • 00:55:07.026 --> 00:55:07.460
  • JOYCE MEYER, THANK YOU FORBEING WITH US--
  • 00:55:07.460 --> 00:55:08.027
  • BEING WITH US--- LAURIE: YOU'RE AMAZING!
  • 00:55:08.027 --> 00:55:10.263
  • - LAURIE: YOU'RE AMAZING!WE ALL LOVE YOU DEARLY!
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  • WE ALL LOVE YOU DEARLY!- JOYCE: OH, THANK YOU FOR
  • 00:55:11.097 --> 00:55:11.865
  • - JOYCE: OH, THANK YOU FORTHAT.
  • 00:55:11.865 --> 00:55:12.399
  • THAT.- MATT: AND I'M SURE THE
  • 00:55:12.399 --> 00:55:13.066
  • - MATT: AND I'M SURE THERATINGS HAVE BEEN CLIMBING EVER
  • 00:55:13.066 --> 00:55:13.633
  • RATINGS HAVE BEEN CLIMBING EVERSINCE YOU STARTED TALKING.
  • 00:55:13.633 --> 00:55:14.234
  • SINCE YOU STARTED TALKING.WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
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  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.- LAURIE: BYE-BYE.
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