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Praise | Bishop Kenneth Ulmer | July 2, 2019

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Praise | Bishop Kenneth Ulmer | July 2, 2019

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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [Announcer] Tonight on "Praise" from Los Angeles,
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  • Pastor of Faithful Central Bible church,
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  • author, educator and civic leader,
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  • Bishop Kenneth Ulmer.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • And now, Matt and Laurie Crouch.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • - All right, "Praise" program comes to you
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  • from right here in Southern California.
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  • Our guest all evening, is Bishop Kenneth Ulmer.
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  • Now, typically, Kenneth,
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  • I would say, brother, what are we gonna talk about tonight?
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  • What are we gonna, you know, typically I'd make you
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  • just start doing all the talking, okay?
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  • Normally, that would be normal,
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  • get right to the point kinda thing, you know?
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  • This is different though, because tonight reminds me
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  • of some of the old school "Praise" programs
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  • that have been done in the studio with EV Hill
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  • and Oral Roberts and others.
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  • And we're gonna sit back and we're just gonna
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  • kinda let you do your thing.
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  • - Enjoy your presence.
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  • - We're gonna just kinda, I'm gonna treat you
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  • kinda like my mom and dad used to treat EV Hill
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  • where they would sit back, kind of relax and--
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  • - [Laurie] Oh and it would be a good night.
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  • - And knowing we were gonna get into some stuff.
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  • So, first of all, thank you for being here tonight
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  • and just glad you're here.
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  • Glad to have you in our studio.
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  • - I met your dad, I met your dad at Mount Zion,
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  • Dr Hill's church.
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  • - [Laurie] Really? - [Matt] Did you?
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  • - The first time I met him.
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  • - Oh my goodness.
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  • - At Mount Zion, it was one of,
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  • I think it was Dr Hills anniversary or something.
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  • - [Laurie] Back in 19 what?
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  • - Back in the day.
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  • - [Laurie] The day okay, all right 19--
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  • - And I remember so well
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  • how affectionately he called Dr Hill as pastor.
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  • And the bond between those two.
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  • But that's how I met him, I met him through Dr Hill.
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  • He was like a spiritual father to me.
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  • - My daddy was at Dr Hill's bedside when he passed.
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  • - I believe it.
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  • - And so, it just reminds me of just kind of the ability
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  • to take what God gave his people, okay?
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  • So, TBN is God's station.
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  • It's God's people's station and what I want you to do
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  • is just think about all the different kinds
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  • of people watching tonight, all the different shapes
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  • and colors and sizes and we got a couple of things
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  • to talk about.
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  • We wanna mention the last big thing we did together,
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  • we were in Africa together and I wanna run a clip or two
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  • and talk about TBN in Africa and a few things,
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  • but I want you to just kinda help us in a way
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  • address things that maybe don't get addressed enough.
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  • If there's issues on your heart that you think
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  • should be talked about in the body of Christ,
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  • you have unfettered access to potentially 1.9 billion people
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  • right here, right now--
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  • - Pretty big number.
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  • - And in Africa, we're on DSTV there,
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  • you helped us relaunch that channel
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  • and through one of the biggest maybe disappointments
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  • in TBN's history, you helped us completely reestablish
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  • our footprint there, it was just an amazing thing.
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  • What an amazing night, so.
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  • - You know, I was just thinking as we prepare
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  • for the show,
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  • how Dr Hill and your dad's life touched, blessed each other,
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  • but it hadn't dawned on me, a major significant thing
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  • that they had in common.
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  • - [Matt] What's that?
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  • - That is a vision to reach the world.
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  • And to reach the world across the stuff
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  • that divides the world.
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  • That was very important, to reach the world, continents,
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  • races, ethnicities and that God positioned both of them
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  • with a vision that would go across the stuff,
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  • the walls, Paul calls it the walls of enmity,
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  • the walls of division and that both
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  • of them had that kind of vision.
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  • I remember we were at a convention in Chicago
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  • and Dr Hill had just come to Chicago from speaking
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  • at the, I think it was a Presbyterian convention.
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  • He came to Chicago for the National Baptist Convention,
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  • the largest African American organization in the world,
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  • he spoke there.
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  • So, it was from Presbyterians to National Baptist.
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  • He left there and asked me did I wanna go with him
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  • and I said I would, so I carried his bag
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  • as I often did and he was on his way to Wheaton College.
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  • And we stopped at some waffle house or something.
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  • It was food, Dr Hill knew where it was.
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  • And he would always eat off of everybody's plate.
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  • Now, what is that like?
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  • (laughing)
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  • And in the middle of breakfast he took a napkin
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  • and wrote something on a napkin, put it in his pocket.
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  • So we go from his been in what amount to 72 hours,
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  • Presbyterians, National Baptist, he goes to Wheaton College,
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  • conservative Dr Graham's school that he had founded,
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  • conservative school and when he gets to the pulpit,
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  • he pulls out this napkin.
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  • And spreads the napkin out on the desk
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  • and slays people.
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  • That was good, that means good.
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  • And people were crying and blessing everything
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  • off this little napkin.
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  • So at Wheaton, and he left there and was going
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  • to speak at an assemblies of God convention in Dallas.
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  • So, within a weekend, it's Presbyterians,
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  • National Baptist, Wheaton College and Assemblies of God.
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  • Because God used him to cross those kinds of barriers.
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  • And he encouraged me about that, he inspired me about that.
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  • So, being a part of what happened in South Africa to me,
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  • was an extension of the kind of vision that your dad had.
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  • Bigger than any loca-- you guys are a family of channels.
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  • - [Laurie] Yeah, networks, yeah.
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  • - And that family literally reaches around the world.
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  • And that's some big vision, man, that's a big vision.
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  • - We've established and a lot of people realized,
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  • TBN is now 17 different language networks,
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  • 31 different related networks all over the world.
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  • But now that we realize that,
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  • now we gotta have something to say.
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  • - Yeah. - You know?
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  • So it's our responsibility growing up,
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  • 'cause we, all of us on this set have been
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  • around here forever, so you know that God's people gave
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  • to build it, God's people give to us
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  • to keep it established and keep it going
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  • and it's our responsibility to turn it over
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  • to individuals like yourself with something to say.
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  • What do you have to say tonight that addresses the reason
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  • that we've been given the responsibility of tonight
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  • right here, right now.
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  • - Well, let me start with that responsibility
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  • and emphasize that that responsibility was passed to you.
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  • That God ordained that for such a time as this.
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  • You would be at the helm of a vision
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  • that started with your dad.
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  • I'm thinking about Moses.
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  • A leader and a visionary sees farther than they will go.
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  • Moses could see farther than he would go.
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  • God had him on top of the mountain and he looked
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  • over in the promised land, he would never go in there.
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  • But he saw it.
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  • A visionary, a leader can see farther than they would go.
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  • But they pass the mantle to someone,
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  • a Joshua, a Matt, Laurie, to you guys.
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  • Who will go farther than you can imagine.
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  • Moses saw farther than he would go.
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  • Joshua went farther than he could imagine.
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  • And what God is doing through you guys
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  • and you're picking up this mantle,
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  • you're picking up the baton
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  • that may pass to the generation, blessing,
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  • is in the motif of a race and the baton is passed
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  • from one generation to the next and to see
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  • how God is continuing to do it through you guys
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  • exceedingly, abundantly above all you could imagine
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  • or think, but more than that, what's coming,
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  • is better than what has been.
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  • - [Matt] Thank You, Lord.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • - I thank God for our friendship,
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  • but I also thank God for the manifestation
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  • of a generational call.
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  • That He's allowed me to be a part of and see.
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  • And man, where God is taking you,
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  • the visions that God has given you,
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  • the innovations that God has given you,
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  • the creative vision to see from the now into the not yet.
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  • The anointing of God on you, man, to see
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  • through this network.
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  • All these languages, all these countries etc.
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  • If we're gonna do what God told us to do
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  • and He said, go into all the world and make disciples,
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  • into all the world, the world, the world.
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  • Yes, Southern California, yes, yes, South Africa,
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  • yes, but the world.
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  • And then sovereignly and in the providential timing
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  • of God there's a TBN that can reach all the world.
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  • Nobody but God can do that, man.
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  • Nobody but God can do that.
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  • And that He would ordain it,
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  • that it would be on your watch.
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  • And the vision that God gave to your dad
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  • and the mantle that he passed to you
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  • and to you and to this team now,
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  • God saw it when Adam and Eve were running around
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  • in the garden looking for a leaf to hide under.
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  • And he ordained that for such a time as this,
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  • this word, it's the power of this word,
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  • the anointing of the Holy Spirit,
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  • the release of the Holy Spirit upon generations
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  • would come through God trusting you with the vision.
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  • God has to trust you with the vision.
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  • And the vision that your dad planted in you
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  • and placed in you, was because God trusted you with it.
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  • - You have no idea how fun this is for me right now.
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  • Because the protocol here is that I get to ask you
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  • whatever I wanna ask you
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  • and there's a pretty heavy obligation for you to answer it.
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  • You know, you could skip the question
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  • and you could maybe move on and pass on it,
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  • but you know, there's a lot of pressure on you
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  • to answer it, so let me ask you this.
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  • If you and I were
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  • in the presence of some foreign,
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  • dignitary leader, let's just call it a premier
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  • or a president or a prime minister or something
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  • and we would be representatives
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  • of the kingdom of God, right?
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  • We would be in the presence, we are representatives
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  • of the kingdom of God,
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  • what do most presidents, prime ministers need
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  • from the kingdom of God, what if we are emissaries
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  • of the kingdom, what do we need to say
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  • to those type of men if we were in their presence
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  • together tomorrow night?
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  • - I think it is that there is an answer.
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  • The questions, the turmoil, the conflicts,
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  • that there's an answer.
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  • And ultimately that answer is in Jesus Christ.
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  • And to unashamedly,
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  • not offensively, but deliberately,
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  • not even necessarily contentiously, but deliberately
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  • that as the old song says, Christ is the answer.
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  • And as we go as representatives of this kingdom,
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  • Paul calls us ambassadors, so we're ambassadors
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  • of the kingdom of God and so as we go as ambassadors,
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  • ambassadors are sent into foreign lands,
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  • representing another land.
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  • Sent before leaders of other lands,
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  • representing one king and one kingdom.
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  • And so it would be that there's an answer,
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  • it would be that this King of this kingdom loves them.
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  • We don't hear enough about love anymore.
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  • And yet when we do, oftentimes that pendulum swings
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  • so far to the right, left, whichever side you're on,
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  • that the power of that love over sin
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  • and the reason for that love to be manifested
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  • is because of, what's in the presence of sin,
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  • sometimes that message gets lost.
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  • And so, we find, here we are.
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  • We're in a tension.
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  • Jesus said, and I, if I be lifted up, I be lifted up,
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  • I will draw and so, the message
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  • of this kingdom is, authentic.
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  • And it is authentic, because we lift Him up.
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  • And if we lift Him up, He says, I will draw.
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  • And so, this decree of Jesus has two parts to it.
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  • It's authenticity, which is Christ.
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  • What is attractiveness, that this Christ can draw.
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  • And that's where we stand in a tension of both
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  • and not either or.
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  • Because what the church will do, more times than not,
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  • is to choose one over the other.
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  • So that we are so authentic that we have no attraction
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  • to the world.
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  • We're so authentic that we are turned,
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  • that the world does not receive us.
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  • It's amazing where Jesus went, who He hung out with.
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  • I don't know, Matthew gets saved
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  • and the first thing Matthew,
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  • Jesus says to Matthew, follow me.
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  • And the first thing happens is Jesus follows him.
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  • You missed it.
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  • Jesus said to Matthew, come follow me.
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  • And the next thing that happens is, He follows Matthew,
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  • into a party.
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  • A party.
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  • Here's Jesus and you gotta get the scene,
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  • because Jesus goes into this house
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  • where they all, and the Bible says they're sinners.
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  • He goes into this house where there's sinners
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  • and some of the crowds who were following Him stopped
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  • outside and would not go in,
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  • because they knew there were sinners in.
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  • I wonder how far we will follow Jesus today.
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  • And would we follow Him in some of the places
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  • that He does go?
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  • And would we love some of the people that He loves?
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  • We stand in this tension of being authentic.
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  • Sometimes we're so authentic that we,
  • 00:14:53.050 --> 00:14:54.290
  • we're not attractive at all,
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  • the flip side is, sometimes we're so attractive
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  • that we lose our authenticity.
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  • And so, the message of this Christ, the power of this Christ
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  • of the love of this Christ is often so watered down,
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  • that you wonder who is He?
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  • A friend of mine was administering music at a church
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  • a while back and I meet him one Sunday
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  • at a restaurant, I said, well how did it go,
  • 00:15:16.160 --> 00:15:18.070
  • how was church?
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  • He said, it was okay.
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  • I said, what the preacher talk about?
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  • Which is a dangerous question to ask
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  • on a Sunday afternoon, nobody's been in church,
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  • and he said, what the preacher talk about,
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  • he said, you know if we could hear about Jesus
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  • every now and then it would be good.
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  • He said, wouldn't even have to be every Sun--
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  • just read about Jesus every now and then.
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  • And so, often times that pendulum swings so far to be,
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  • with an attempt to be attractive
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  • that we lose the authenticity of Jesus.
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  • But it's not either or.
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  • It's both and.
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  • The authenticity and the attractiveness.
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  • If He is lifted, He'll do the drawing.
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  • It's our job. - Beautiful, beautiful.
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  • (audience applauding) - love that.
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  • - [Laurie] Beautiful
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  • - So,
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  • we prepared a little bio-piece,
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  • if we are introducing brother Ulmer to you,
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  • that would be a shock, but if we are,
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  • we prepared a little piece get you to know him
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  • a little bit better, watch this.
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  • - [Announcer] Dr Ulmer is the founder and CEO
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  • of the Ulmer Institute.
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  • A first of its kind organization focused
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  • on addressing urban psychological trauma
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  • through professional treatment, research and training.
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  • The vision for the Ulmer Institute was inspired
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  • by Dr Ulmer's unique position of leadership
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  • in the greater Los Angeles community,
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  • where he witnessed the tremendous impact
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  • of unresolved trauma and was burdened to provide assistance
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  • to those in greatest need.
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  • With over 40 years in ministry,
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  • Dr Ulmer is the pastor and teacher
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  • of Faithful Central Bible Church,
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  • an 80 year old megachurch based in Inglewood, California
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  • with a weekly attendance of over 3.500.
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  • He also serves as presiding bishop
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  • of the Macedonia International Bible fellowship,
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  • based in Johannesburg, South Africa.
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  • An association of pastors representing ministries
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  • in Africa and the United States.
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  • Dr Ulmer is the former president
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  • of The King's university in Los Angeles,
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  • where he also serves as a founding board member,
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  • adjunct professor and director of the kings at Oxford,
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  • an annual summer session held at Oxford University.
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  • After accepting his call to the ministry,
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  • he founded Macedonia Bible Church in San Pedro, California.
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  • He studied at Pepperdine University, Hebrew Union College,
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  • the university of Judaism as well as Christchurch
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  • and Watton College
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  • at Oxford University summer school of theology.
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  • He is the renowned author of several books
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  • including "Spiritually Fit to Run the Race",
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  • "In His Image, An Intimate Reflection of God".
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  • "The Champion in You", "Knowing God's Voice"
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  • and "Passionate God".
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  • He's a loving husband to his wife of 40 years
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  • and father to his two daughters, one son
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  • and five granddaughters.
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  • He's celebrated author, passionate educator,
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  • community builder and visionary leader,
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  • Dr Kenneth C Ulmer.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • - Well done.
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  • You realize we're doing the "Praise" program
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  • in the same studio, this studio has been here
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  • since about 1978 or '79.
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  • We've done thousands of "Praise" pr--
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  • it looks a lot different now.
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  • It looks a little more contemporary.
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  • But this is the place that we've been talking about Jesus.
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  • We've been lifting Him up, you realize
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  • that that Scripture that you were talking about,
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  • and I, if I be lifted up will draw all men unto me,
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  • was on our letterhead.
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  • Remember when we used to have a letterhead,
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  • we used to have pieces of paper and we'd type,
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  • you know we used to do that?
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  • That was our foundational Scripture at this network for,
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  • that was on our letterhead stationary for years here.
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  • And, so we've been doing that and tonight's just a fun thing
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  • because you just, whatever pitch I throw at you,
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  • you're gonna hit home-runs,
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  • so what else are we not talking about
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  • in the body of Christ that you need to discuss tonight?
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  • - You know, I think the elephant in the room --
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  • is color.
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  • - [Matt] Really?
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  • - I think that, and it's interesting,
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  • because I don't know and we've heard this said before,
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  • in a time where there seems to be,
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  • maybe more division, friction,
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  • dare we say hatred?
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  • But certainly animosity and separation between races.
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  • And no-one wants to really talk about it.
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  • It's like it's all around, but no-one wants to say anything
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  • and it appears that we're going,
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  • that the chasm is doing like this.
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  • It appears that it's getting worse.
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  • And I don't know that the church,
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  • that we're saying enough about it.
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  • I don't know that we're talking enough about it.
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  • I think that we are
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  • I think we're hoping it'll go away.
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  • I think we're hoping that it is not as bad as they say.
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  • But the kinds of things that we see
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  • against the Jewish community.
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  • Pittsburgh and the most recent one.
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  • That's demonic.
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  • To be that hatred against someone,
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  • because of how they look or what they believe or whatever.
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  • Antisemitism is probably, and this is nothing official,
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  • it may be more rampant now than it has been in years.
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  • In different parts of the world.
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  • In the Middle East places where the synagogues are bombed,
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  • down to San Diego in these last and evil days,
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  • in such a time as this.
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  • What seems to be the hatred against a people
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  • because of who they are.
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  • I have Jewish friends who are
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  • they're just afraid, just afraid.
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  • On only thing that's interesting about that is,
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  • is that I have black friends who are also afraid
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  • in certain neighborhoods.
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  • And I don't know, like you said, maybe we're not saying
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  • enough about it.
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  • - So you've called it out, how do you fix it?
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  • - I'm back where we started.
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  • Jesus is the answer.
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  • Which seems so simplistic, you know?
  • 00:22:05.230 --> 00:22:08.020
  • It's seems so mundane,
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  • it seems so almost like cliche, it's a cliche, you know?
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  • And yet at the end of the day, He really is.
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  • But more than that, that He, that the body of Christ,
  • 00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:24.120
  • the church of Christ, we're on a mission.
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  • We're on a mission to make disciples.
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  • Either he meant it or he didn't mean it.
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  • And Jesus said, go and make disciples.
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  • That's our mandate, that's our assignment
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  • and in order to do that, He says,
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  • go into all the world
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  • so that this Gospel does not have a color on it.
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  • This gospel does not have an ethnicity on it
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  • and it crosses all those lines and barriers
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  • that would separate us, ethnically, racially etc.
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  • And so, I think that ultimately,
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  • you gotta come back to Christ,
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  • but you gotta flesh it out and walk it out and live it out.
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  • We've talked about it too long.
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  • Now I don't know if we're even talking about it as much.
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  • But I don't know that we're lifting Christ up
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  • as the redeemer that He is, the healer that He is,
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  • that the racial hatred can be healed,
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  • the racial division can be healed.
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  • Isn't it interesting?
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  • The Bible says, if my people, the ones who were called
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  • by my name, if they will do something, God says,
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  • I will heal the land.
  • 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:31.200
  • So that oh so familiar passage, assumes
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  • that the land is sick.
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  • It assumes that the land needs to be healed.
  • 00:23:36.280 --> 00:23:40.060
  • But isn't it interesting
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  • that the prophet does not place the burden
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  • of the healing on the land?
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  • I'm going too fast.
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  • The land is sick the land needs to be healed, okay?
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  • But I can heal the land if my people do something.
  • 00:23:53.290 --> 00:23:56.210
  • So that the responsibility spiritually,
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  • that ball comes back into our court.
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  • There's something that God is calling us to do.
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  • And then He goes to say, humble themselves
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  • and repent and and and etc,
  • 00:24:07.070 --> 00:24:09.030
  • but the point I'm trying to make is
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  • that we can't be on the sideline.
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  • That we must declare this God who can,
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  • but that He wants to do it through us.
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  • He's not just God al--, He's not just a transcendent God,
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  • He's both transcendent and imminent.
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  • He's both out there and here at the same time.
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  • And so, we often find comfort in saying God is out there,
  • 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:32.260
  • God is out there, which means He is divorced
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  • and separated from the things that are going on down here,
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  • which of course is only half the truth.
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  • For He is not only there, He's here and He's there
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  • and here at the same time.
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  • He is imminently here, but He's transcendent
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  • and still being God who reigns over all.
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  • We can get into the whole, into politics things
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  • and the donkeys and mules and elephants and stuff,
  • 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:55.160
  • but at the end of the day, what do they have?
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  • Two terms?
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  • Two terms, eight years?
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  • - No change.
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  • - Yeah, so whatever's gonna happen--
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  • - [Matt] What goes around comes around?
  • 00:25:06.120 --> 00:25:07.110
  • - You know what I'm saying?
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  • And whoever's in there, can only stay for eight years.
  • 00:25:08.260 --> 00:25:11.230
  • But the King of kings and the Lord of lords--
  • 00:25:11.230 --> 00:25:14.070
  • - [Matt] Come on, now.
  • 00:25:14.070 --> 00:25:15.120
  • - He shall reign forever and ever and ever.
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  • And He's not surprised by anything, any of this,
  • 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.180
  • He's calling us to get involved in stuff.
  • 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:24.040
  • - Okay, so you called out the elephant in the room,
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  • and you said the answer is Jesus
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  • and then you said that if my people who are called
  • 00:25:30.170 --> 00:25:34.230
  • by my name will humble themselves and pray,
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  • I will heal the land, so pray and heal the land.
  • 00:25:38.090 --> 00:25:40.260
  • - I trust God to be God.
  • 00:25:45.190 --> 00:25:47.150
  • And that says a lot, because that means
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  • that we must trust God in the reality of conflict
  • 00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:57.180
  • and reality of prejudice and reality of the stuff
  • 00:25:59.050 --> 00:26:04.070
  • that separates us.
  • 00:26:04.290 --> 00:26:06.010
  • Jesus on his way to Calvary prayed, Father make them one,
  • 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:12.130
  • knowing that message of oneness would go
  • 00:26:15.080 --> 00:26:19.220
  • to the uttermost parts of the world.
  • 00:26:19.220 --> 00:26:21.200
  • A world that then was divided.
  • 00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:24.270
  • Divisions of nations is nothing new.
  • 00:26:24.270 --> 00:26:27.250
  • The division between black people and white people
  • 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:30.020
  • and Jewish people etc is nothing new.
  • 00:26:30.020 --> 00:26:32.060
  • Samaritans hated Jews.
  • 00:26:32.060 --> 00:26:34.140
  • Jesus said, was talking to a woman and the girl said,
  • 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.290
  • you shouldn't even be talking to me.
  • 00:26:36.290 --> 00:26:39.080
  • But He reached across that boundary and He loved her.
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  • I pray that God would remind and empower us of His power.
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  • I turn to God, God says that we humble ourselves and pray.
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  • I turn to the God of all times.
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  • And I ask God to call us
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  • by his name into his presence and release his power.
  • 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.000
  • I believe his power can break every chain.
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  • I believe his power is deliverance.
  • 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.160
  • I believe his power can change hearts.
  • 00:27:26.210 --> 00:27:29.190
  • I don't believe that a racist heart is any harder
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  • than any heart that God has already healed
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  • and that God is still a healer.
  • 00:27:35.230 --> 00:27:37.180
  • More importantly, I think that God is calling us,
  • 00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:39.180
  • and I ask You, Father,
  • 00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:42.100
  • call and empower us to be ambassadors for your kingdom,
  • 00:27:42.100 --> 00:27:47.100
  • ambassadors of reconciliation,
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  • ministers of reconciliation and oneness,
  • 00:27:52.250 --> 00:27:56.000
  • that we may be one as You are one.
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  • In your mighty name, amen.
  • 00:27:59.260 --> 00:28:03.080
  • - Beautiful, beautiful.
  • 00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:04.210
  • Bishop Kenneth Ulmer.
  • 00:28:06.100 --> 00:28:08.030
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:28:08.030 --> 00:28:11.080
  • Okay, I want to ask you
  • 00:28:11.080 --> 00:28:15.100
  • about a little bit of the setup here,
  • 00:28:15.100 --> 00:28:19.090
  • we were together in Africa.
  • 00:28:19.090 --> 00:28:21.250
  • TBN had experienced a very unusual situation there
  • 00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:26.250
  • which resulted in the fact
  • 00:28:30.060 --> 00:28:31.260
  • that TBN's network went off the air there, okay?
  • 00:28:31.260 --> 00:28:36.260
  • And it was a weird set of circumstances
  • 00:28:38.010 --> 00:28:40.180
  • that are too difficult, too hard to explain.
  • 00:28:40.180 --> 00:28:45.160
  • When God positioned us to go back on the air there,
  • 00:28:48.050 --> 00:28:53.050
  • it was an amazing thing.
  • 00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.280
  • And we asked you a day or two before
  • 00:28:56.280 --> 00:29:02.000
  • in a lunch meeting, would you address the situation
  • 00:29:03.140 --> 00:29:07.220
  • and that quickly, you put together
  • 00:29:10.100 --> 00:29:12.250
  • one of the most amazing sermons I've ever heard in my life.
  • 00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:17.220
  • I won't attempt to preach it right here, right now--
  • 00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:20.100
  • - You can't.
  • 00:29:20.100 --> 00:29:21.180
  • - But what I can tell you, I remember about it,
  • 00:29:23.010 --> 00:29:26.160
  • it is, it was entitled relaunch.
  • 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.280
  • TBN was relaunching its network in that nation,
  • 00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:34.120
  • in that, on that continent.
  • 00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:37.040
  • 54 Nations of sub-Saharan Africa going
  • 00:29:37.040 --> 00:29:41.090
  • on the air that night, we handed you the mic.
  • 00:29:41.090 --> 00:29:43.250
  • And you talked about some places that you're gonna go
  • 00:29:45.080 --> 00:29:49.280
  • and that God's gonna take you.
  • 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.180
  • Some people can't go.
  • 00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:53.110
  • So, there's gonna be some people that have to drop off
  • 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.150
  • before you go to a place where you need to go.
  • 00:29:57.150 --> 00:30:01.050
  • And a lot of people in that crowd looked
  • 00:30:01.050 --> 00:30:05.190
  • at their husbands and wives and said no,
  • 00:30:05.190 --> 00:30:07.220
  • not husbands and wives, not them,
  • 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:10.010
  • but basically, kinda take it from there,
  • 00:30:11.080 --> 00:30:15.050
  • I've got a clip here that I wanna run for just a minute,
  • 00:30:15.050 --> 00:30:18.050
  • but I want you to, when we come out of this roll
  • 00:30:18.050 --> 00:30:21.140
  • and it was a celebration that night,
  • 00:30:21.140 --> 00:30:23.180
  • kinda continue the thought that you had that night.
  • 00:30:23.180 --> 00:30:27.040
  • This will at least put you at the right place,
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  • the right time, TBN in Africa relaunch, watch this.
  • 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.280
  • 54 Nations of sub-Saharan Africa, TBN in Africa,
  • 00:30:36.060 --> 00:30:41.060
  • we welcome you wherever you're watching.
  • 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:43.150
  • I can see the colors of the rainbow
  • 00:30:46.030 --> 00:30:50.040
  • - TBN is back!
  • 00:30:50.040 --> 00:30:52.030
  • And I can feel the sun on my face
  • 00:30:52.030 --> 00:30:54.160
  • - Africa shall hear the message of Jesus.
  • 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.040
  • I can see the finish line up ahead now
  • 00:30:58.040 --> 00:31:01.080
  • - With a lot of the issues that we are going through
  • 00:31:01.080 --> 00:31:04.130
  • as a nation, we've gotta be relevant to our community,
  • 00:31:04.130 --> 00:31:08.130
  • we need the foundation, we need Jesus Christ.
  • 00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:10.240
  • It's I sign of a victory
  • 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.010
  • - With him on your side, you'll get through it,
  • 00:31:16.010 --> 00:31:18.280
  • you'll overcome it
  • 00:31:18.280 --> 00:31:20.210
  • and you'll finish up victorious through it.
  • 00:31:20.210 --> 00:31:23.100
  • That's the sign of a victory
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  • Yeah
  • 00:31:27.290 --> 00:31:30.150
  • If you'll believe
  • 00:31:30.150 --> 00:31:33.110
  • - In order to walk into the destiny
  • 00:31:33.110 --> 00:31:35.160
  • that God has called you, you must make up in your mind
  • 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.000
  • that first of all, I'm going to allow God
  • 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.160
  • to reposition my life.
  • 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.230
  • Raise your hands up high and
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  • And wave your flag
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  • And do like you're gonna win
  • 00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:51.070
  • So let the games begin
  • 00:31:51.070 --> 00:31:56.070
  • That's the sound of a victory
  • 00:31:57.190 --> 00:31:59.140
  • - A relaunch is never an after thought.
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  • It's what God does when He releases you,
  • 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.100
  • puts you in a time of a layover,
  • 00:32:06.100 --> 00:32:09.170
  • prepares you for your next season
  • 00:32:09.170 --> 00:32:11.210
  • and then relaunches you to fulfill everything
  • 00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:15.040
  • that He ordained and called you to do.
  • 00:32:15.040 --> 00:32:17.150
  • That's the sign of a victory
  • 00:32:20.090 --> 00:32:23.220
  • - [Ray McCauly] Welcome back to South Africa.
  • 00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:26.140
  • That's the sign of a victory
  • 00:32:26.140 --> 00:32:31.070
  • Yeah
  • 00:32:31.070 --> 00:32:34.220
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:32:35.230 --> 00:32:39.050
  • - Relaunch right there in Africa,
  • 00:32:39.050 --> 00:32:41.170
  • you were with us that entire night.
  • 00:32:41.170 --> 00:32:42.260
  • - Pastor Ray McCauly, we love you.
  • 00:32:42.260 --> 00:32:44.280
  • - Yeah, Pastor Ray is one of the reasons
  • 00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:48.180
  • that partnering with him, that TBN is back there,
  • 00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:53.110
  • because of him and his vision for Christian TV there.
  • 00:32:53.110 --> 00:32:57.250
  • So, what were you really saying in that relaunch,
  • 00:32:57.250 --> 00:33:00.250
  • 'cause I think that sermon is applicable to people
  • 00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:03.250
  • right here, right now, with things going in their life
  • 00:33:03.250 --> 00:33:07.160
  • that just look like disaster, okay.
  • 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:11.210
  • So, having a 35 year presence in Africa
  • 00:33:11.210 --> 00:33:16.010
  • and then not having one, is a disaster.
  • 00:33:16.010 --> 00:33:19.150
  • But you had a way of finding a way
  • 00:33:21.100 --> 00:33:25.270
  • to make that an unbelievable poignant message.
  • 00:33:25.270 --> 00:33:30.250
  • - I went to South Africa the first time,
  • 00:33:31.290 --> 00:33:34.180
  • two months after Dr Mandela was released from prison.
  • 00:33:34.180 --> 00:33:39.170
  • He'd been in Robben Island in jail for 23 years,
  • 00:33:39.170 --> 00:33:43.160
  • 20 plus years and was released two months before I met him.
  • 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:48.010
  • Met him in his backyard.
  • 00:33:48.010 --> 00:33:49.070
  • I've been in the presence of two men
  • 00:33:50.280 --> 00:33:52.230
  • that I would say were mystical, mystical.
  • 00:33:52.230 --> 00:33:55.010
  • One was Nelson Mandela, the other was Billy Graham.
  • 00:33:55.010 --> 00:33:57.210
  • There's just an unusual aura about them.
  • 00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:01.280
  • But, so South Africa is a part of my heart.
  • 00:34:01.280 --> 00:34:05.290
  • The ministry that I'm bishop over is based in South Africa.
  • 00:34:05.290 --> 00:34:08.090
  • I've been every year, I didn't go nine, 11,
  • 00:34:08.090 --> 00:34:11.260
  • I missed maybe one or two, since then.
  • 00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:14.100
  • So it was, has always been strong in my heart.
  • 00:34:14.100 --> 00:34:18.130
  • I don't even, to this day, I don't even know
  • 00:34:18.130 --> 00:34:20.140
  • how I got to be the person speaking that night.
  • 00:34:20.140 --> 00:34:22.100
  • I never figured that.
  • 00:34:22.100 --> 00:34:23.180
  • - I don't remember exactly--
  • 00:34:23.180 --> 00:34:24.210
  • - I don't know how -- - seriously.
  • 00:34:24.210 --> 00:34:25.250
  • - God did that.
  • 00:34:26.250 --> 00:34:28.230
  • - Yeah, He did, he did.
  • 00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:30.110
  • No, but you know what it was?
  • 00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:31.250
  • It was about part of what I said in the message
  • 00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:33.030
  • about positioning, you know?
  • 00:34:33.030 --> 00:34:35.090
  • And the drought of the word, the famine,
  • 00:34:35.090 --> 00:34:40.090
  • the famine of the word
  • 00:34:41.010 --> 00:34:42.100
  • that when you guys were not on the air,
  • 00:34:42.100 --> 00:34:45.030
  • the word was not going out,
  • 00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:47.280
  • the way God, I believe had ordained it.
  • 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:51.100
  • And there's a pasture where the Bible says,
  • 00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.250
  • if you stay here, if you stay here, you're gonna die.
  • 00:34:54.250 --> 00:34:59.010
  • If you stay here, you're gonna die.
  • 00:34:59.010 --> 00:35:00.190
  • And so, you must go.
  • 00:35:00.190 --> 00:35:03.050
  • God told Abraham you must go.
  • 00:35:03.050 --> 00:35:05.180
  • It's God ushering you into a new season.
  • 00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:08.070
  • It's the repositioning that if you stay where you are,
  • 00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:11.090
  • you'll never fulfill the call of God on your life.
  • 00:35:11.090 --> 00:35:14.040
  • There was no way in the spirit realm
  • 00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:17.200
  • that South Africa was going to continue
  • 00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:19.160
  • without that word.
  • 00:35:19.160 --> 00:35:21.090
  • And God did whatever He needed to do,
  • 00:35:21.090 --> 00:35:23.100
  • reposition men, women, hearts etc,
  • 00:35:23.100 --> 00:35:26.190
  • to put TBN back on the air to do
  • 00:35:26.190 --> 00:35:30.010
  • what God had already called them to be, to do.
  • 00:35:30.010 --> 00:35:32.170
  • But the principle that I was trying to make was
  • 00:35:32.170 --> 00:35:34.040
  • that and therefore you gotta make some changes,
  • 00:35:34.040 --> 00:35:36.210
  • you've gotta leave some things.
  • 00:35:36.210 --> 00:35:38.100
  • Said, you have to leave some places,
  • 00:35:38.100 --> 00:35:39.240
  • you have to leave some people.
  • 00:35:39.240 --> 00:35:41.090
  • When the disciples were on the water
  • 00:35:43.140 --> 00:35:46.080
  • and Jesus comes to them, and they thought He was a ghost,
  • 00:35:46.080 --> 00:35:49.140
  • whatever and Peter says Lord if that's You,
  • 00:35:49.140 --> 00:35:52.010
  • You'll let me come.
  • 00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:53.290
  • Be careful what you ask God, He'll call your bluff
  • 00:35:53.290 --> 00:35:56.090
  • and Jesus said, okay, come, come, come.
  • 00:35:56.090 --> 00:35:58.200
  • And so in order for Peter to do
  • 00:35:58.200 --> 00:36:00.100
  • what God had called him to do he had to walk on water,
  • 00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:02.140
  • but in order to walk on water, you gotta get outta the boat.
  • 00:36:02.140 --> 00:36:06.020
  • And when he got outta the boat he had to leave
  • 00:36:06.020 --> 00:36:07.210
  • some people behind.
  • 00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:08.240
  • He couldn't stay in that place.
  • 00:36:09.210 --> 00:36:11.180
  • And so God is calling us, God is calling us
  • 00:36:11.180 --> 00:36:13.190
  • to recognize that if He's, we're gonna walk
  • 00:36:13.190 --> 00:36:15.290
  • in the destiny that He's given us.
  • 00:36:15.290 --> 00:36:18.000
  • Sometimes and maybe God is calling someone tonight.
  • 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:22.090
  • And maybe, maybe God ordained that you would be watching
  • 00:36:22.090 --> 00:36:25.130
  • this program tonight.
  • 00:36:25.130 --> 00:36:26.260
  • No matter where you are, what time it is.
  • 00:36:26.260 --> 00:36:29.010
  • And God is saying to you, if you're gonna be the man
  • 00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:30.220
  • I've called you to be, you're gonna be the woman
  • 00:36:30.220 --> 00:36:32.110
  • I've called you to be, you're gonna walk
  • 00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:33.200
  • in the destiny I've given you,
  • 00:36:33.200 --> 00:36:35.150
  • there's some places you're gonna have to leave.
  • 00:36:35.150 --> 00:36:38.200
  • There's some people you're gonna have to leave.
  • 00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:42.010
  • Because where God has called you, everyone can't go.
  • 00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:45.190
  • And one of the most painful
  • 00:36:45.190 --> 00:36:47.190
  • and one of the most heartbreaking things that we learn
  • 00:36:47.190 --> 00:36:50.060
  • as we walk with God is
  • 00:36:50.060 --> 00:36:51.240
  • that everybody who came with you can't go with you.
  • 00:36:51.240 --> 00:36:54.110
  • Everyone who came this far with you can't go
  • 00:36:55.170 --> 00:36:57.290
  • to the next level.
  • 00:36:57.290 --> 00:36:59.180
  • Into the next season.
  • 00:36:59.180 --> 00:37:01.080
  • And God was ushering in a whole new season in South Africa.
  • 00:37:01.080 --> 00:37:05.210
  • The players were different, the atmosphere was different,
  • 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:11.250
  • because God was saying, you're going into a new season.
  • 00:37:13.060 --> 00:37:17.260
  • And I'm gonna do some things in your life
  • 00:37:17.260 --> 00:37:19.280
  • that you've never seen before.
  • 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.280
  • God said to the prophet,
  • 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.130
  • behold I do a new thing.
  • 00:37:23.130 --> 00:37:25.130
  • We've heard that before.
  • 00:37:25.130 --> 00:37:27.000
  • I'm gonna do a new thing.
  • 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.120
  • What God is doing to TBN now around the world
  • 00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:31.030
  • is not something warmed over.
  • 00:37:31.030 --> 00:37:33.130
  • It's not a leftover, God, morning by morning,
  • 00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.060
  • his brand new mercies He gives us.
  • 00:37:36.060 --> 00:37:38.180
  • God does not give you last night's warmed over air.
  • 00:37:38.180 --> 00:37:41.130
  • You breathe brand new mercies everyday.
  • 00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:44.170
  • And what God is doing through you
  • 00:37:44.170 --> 00:37:45.240
  • and the vision that God has given you, Matt
  • 00:37:45.240 --> 00:37:47.230
  • and the creative ideas that God has given you
  • 00:37:47.230 --> 00:37:50.030
  • and the ability to see what is not yet,
  • 00:37:50.030 --> 00:37:54.220
  • is a part of this new thing that God is doing, man,
  • 00:37:54.220 --> 00:37:57.130
  • the anointing that is on you,
  • 00:37:57.130 --> 00:37:59.180
  • to see what can be before it is, is the power of God on you,
  • 00:37:59.180 --> 00:38:04.200
  • because God is doing a new thing.
  • 00:38:05.240 --> 00:38:06.180
  • You know, it's funny,
  • 00:38:06.180 --> 00:38:07.250
  • because when God says through the prophet,
  • 00:38:07.250 --> 00:38:09.090
  • I'll do a new thing, there are two words for new,
  • 00:38:09.090 --> 00:38:10.150
  • one word for new means, new in time,
  • 00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:13.280
  • one means new in kind.
  • 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:16.270
  • New in time, new in kind.
  • 00:38:16.270 --> 00:38:18.220
  • If you bought a new suit and that new suit was
  • 00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:24.290
  • the same kinda suit that you had,
  • 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:30.020
  • but it was just redesigned.
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  • It's a new suit, but it's just new in time,
  • 00:38:32.200 --> 00:38:35.220
  • but if you bought a new suit that was a different designer,
  • 00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:38.290
  • different style etc, it's something
  • 00:38:38.290 --> 00:38:41.050
  • that's never been done before.
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  • You've never seen it before.
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  • God says He's gonna do some thing through TBN,
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  • God's gonna do some things through you guys
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  • that you've never seen before.
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  • As much as God blessed Dr Crouch,
  • 00:38:52.080 --> 00:38:55.010
  • Dr Crouch was just the foundation
  • 00:38:55.010 --> 00:38:56.200
  • that's gonna launch you guys to a whole new dimension, man.
  • 00:38:56.200 --> 00:39:00.210
  • Because God's gonna take you to places,
  • 00:39:00.210 --> 00:39:02.220
  • God's gonna show you things and God's gonna do in the world
  • 00:39:02.220 --> 00:39:07.000
  • a new thing.
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  • Things in your life that you've never seen God do before.
  • 00:39:08.140 --> 00:39:11.090
  • Things in your family you've never seen God's do be--
  • 00:39:11.090 --> 00:39:13.180
  • things in your church you've never seen God do before.
  • 00:39:13.180 --> 00:39:16.190
  • But for such a time as this, it may mean
  • 00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:19.070
  • you have to leave some people and leave some places
  • 00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:22.110
  • in order to receive the power that God has for you.
  • 00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:26.010
  • - I'm gonna go back to our time together in Africa,
  • 00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:29.270
  • this is another little clip of relaunch
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  • and then come back and preach another piece of it,
  • 00:39:31.220 --> 00:39:33.140
  • watch this.
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  • - God brought somebody here tonight to tell you,
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  • He has not forgotten about you.
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  • You are just in a layover.
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  • Sometimes I'm traveling, Matt, you know this
  • 00:39:48.040 --> 00:39:51.140
  • and you have to change planes.
  • 00:39:51.140 --> 00:39:54.060
  • When you change planes, they traffic you a different way
  • 00:39:54.060 --> 00:39:59.060
  • than the people who are getting off at that destination.
  • 00:40:00.210 --> 00:40:04.190
  • If you have arrived, you go to the baggage claim.
  • 00:40:07.050 --> 00:40:11.230
  • Because everything that you brought must signal
  • 00:40:13.080 --> 00:40:16.140
  • that it's time to be over.
  • 00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:18.050
  • But if you're in transit, they tell you
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  • to make your way to your connection.
  • 00:40:22.290 --> 00:40:27.020
  • God brought somebody here tonight to say,
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  • TBNs in South Africa has just made a connection,
  • 00:40:29.270 --> 00:40:34.140
  • it looked like a layover, it looked like they were over,
  • 00:40:34.140 --> 00:40:38.060
  • it looked like the journey ended, but Jesus said,
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  • don't unpack your bags, I'm about to give you a connection.
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  • Somebody help me praise God for a connection.
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  • Relaunch, relaunch and give God glory.
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  • Relaunch and give God praise.
  • 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.050
  • Relaunch and give God your testimony.
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  • Relaunch and tell your story.
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  • Hallelujah. - Amen.
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  • - Hallelujah. - Amen.
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  • - Hallelujah. - Amen.
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  • Help me bless the Lord, somebody.
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  • (audience applauding)
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  • - You know that word is alive tonight
  • 00:41:18.230 --> 00:41:21.260
  • just like it was then, right here, right now.
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  • Just finish that word to our audience right now.
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  • - I'm always amazed at the providence
  • 00:41:28.140 --> 00:41:33.110
  • of broadcasting.
  • 00:41:34.140 --> 00:41:35.280
  • I'm not even sure when this program will air.
  • 00:41:37.250 --> 00:41:41.060
  • But it's airing while you're watching.
  • 00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:45.160
  • And God has ordered every step of your life
  • 00:41:47.210 --> 00:41:49.270
  • to bring you to this station at this time
  • 00:41:51.030 --> 00:41:54.140
  • to hear this word.
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  • This was not your word for yesterday.
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  • It's not your word for tomorrow.
  • 00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:01.160
  • But God knew that at this time you'd be watching.
  • 00:42:03.270 --> 00:42:06.180
  • So that it does not matter when we recorded it,
  • 00:42:07.290 --> 00:42:10.050
  • it doesn't matter when we were here in the studio,
  • 00:42:10.050 --> 00:42:13.100
  • it was for your time.
  • 00:42:14.120 --> 00:42:16.130
  • To meet you where you are.
  • 00:42:18.040 --> 00:42:19.140
  • And for God to say, this is your time to connect.
  • 00:42:20.220 --> 00:42:24.190
  • You're about to be ushered into a whole new season.
  • 00:42:26.030 --> 00:42:28.240
  • Does not matter how much drought there had been,
  • 00:42:28.240 --> 00:42:31.140
  • does not matter how much pain there had been,
  • 00:42:31.140 --> 00:42:33.190
  • does not matter how much disappointment there had been,
  • 00:42:33.190 --> 00:42:36.220
  • God's about to do something that is exceeding,
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  • abundantly, above all that you can ever ask or think.
  • 00:42:39.120 --> 00:42:42.210
  • And He brought you here to hear his word,
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  • that it's your time to move into a new dimension.
  • 00:42:48.030 --> 00:42:51.110
  • Not just a warmed over, remodeling of the old season,
  • 00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:56.200
  • but that God is gonna do some things in your life
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  • that you couldn't even imagine.
  • 00:43:01.020 --> 00:43:02.250
  • It's because of the call that's on your life.
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  • There's a pastor, thank You, Lord.
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  • There's a pastor,
  • 00:43:11.130 --> 00:43:12.160
  • and you almost like channel surfed
  • 00:43:16.050 --> 00:43:18.200
  • to this station
  • 00:43:18.200 --> 00:43:20.130
  • and the turmoil in that church
  • 00:43:21.180 --> 00:43:25.010
  • and the problems in that church
  • 00:43:25.010 --> 00:43:26.180
  • have had you considering walking away.
  • 00:43:27.190 --> 00:43:30.090
  • Have had you considering that your time there is done,
  • 00:43:31.200 --> 00:43:36.080
  • your season there is over.
  • 00:43:36.080 --> 00:43:37.290
  • And yet the sovereignty of God,
  • 00:43:39.080 --> 00:43:41.080
  • the mighty love of God brought you here
  • 00:43:41.080 --> 00:43:43.140
  • to tell you, don't unpack your bags.
  • 00:43:43.140 --> 00:43:46.140
  • You're about to move into a whole new dimension.
  • 00:43:47.260 --> 00:43:50.220
  • A whole new season, God's about to breathe a fresh anointing
  • 00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:54.170
  • into that house.
  • 00:43:54.170 --> 00:43:56.030
  • God's about to breathe a fresh anointing into your mind
  • 00:43:56.030 --> 00:43:58.140
  • and your spirit.
  • 00:43:58.140 --> 00:43:59.100
  • I see a weight on you, I see a weight on you.
  • 00:44:00.180 --> 00:44:03.290
  • God's about to lift that weight.
  • 00:44:03.290 --> 00:44:06.120
  • I see you leaning over, bending over,
  • 00:44:06.120 --> 00:44:09.290
  • God's about to have you stand up straight,
  • 00:44:09.290 --> 00:44:12.190
  • by the power of the spirit of God.
  • 00:44:12.190 --> 00:44:14.240
  • And watch God do everything that He promised you.
  • 00:44:14.240 --> 00:44:17.070
  • You'll get the blessing.
  • 00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:19.290
  • And He'll get the glory.
  • 00:44:21.030 --> 00:44:22.290
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:44:22.290 --> 00:44:26.040
  • - You know, I think sometimes people forget
  • 00:44:30.060 --> 00:44:32.200
  • how powerful God is.
  • 00:44:32.200 --> 00:44:35.010
  • You know?
  • 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.080
  • We get consumed in the problems and the news
  • 00:44:37.080 --> 00:44:41.260
  • and the trouble of this world that we forget the power
  • 00:44:41.260 --> 00:44:46.220
  • of God and how He wants to move into our lives.
  • 00:44:46.220 --> 00:44:49.270
  • - We really do, we really do.
  • 00:44:49.270 --> 00:44:51.180
  • We are often where Israel was
  • 00:44:53.190 --> 00:44:56.030
  • when they thought God had forgotten about them.
  • 00:44:56.030 --> 00:44:58.190
  • I ask that question in the clip.
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  • God has not forgotten about you.
  • 00:45:01.040 --> 00:45:03.050
  • And they wondered,
  • 00:45:03.050 --> 00:45:04.180
  • Lord, how can all these things be happening to us here?
  • 00:45:04.180 --> 00:45:06.020
  • And You said this and You said that,
  • 00:45:06.020 --> 00:45:07.200
  • and You said this and You said that, Lord.
  • 00:45:07.200 --> 00:45:10.080
  • You know, sometimes you feel
  • 00:45:10.080 --> 00:45:11.260
  • like God lost your email address.
  • 00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:14.110
  • Or your text number.
  • 00:45:14.110 --> 00:45:17.130
  • And so, God says to them, not only do I know where you are,
  • 00:45:17.130 --> 00:45:20.180
  • He says in Chronicles, He says, I know where you are
  • 00:45:20.180 --> 00:45:23.290
  • because you are where I left you.
  • 00:45:26.030 --> 00:45:27.250
  • And I left you because it looked, because,
  • 00:45:31.170 --> 00:45:33.250
  • it looked like I left you, because you left me.
  • 00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:36.060
  • And so they were in Babylonian captivity,
  • 00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:40.200
  • because of sin.
  • 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:41.260
  • They were in sin because they made a choice
  • 00:45:42.290 --> 00:45:44.100
  • to make a decision contrary to God's will.
  • 00:45:44.100 --> 00:45:46.160
  • And yet, watch what God says.
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  • He says, right where you are in captivity,
  • 00:45:48.120 --> 00:45:51.240
  • in bondage if you will, He says, get married,
  • 00:45:51.240 --> 00:45:55.120
  • He says, make babies, He says, plant crops, He says,
  • 00:45:55.120 --> 00:45:58.250
  • and watch the power of God.
  • 00:45:58.250 --> 00:46:00.120
  • And so, God is saying to you what He said to them,
  • 00:46:00.120 --> 00:46:03.030
  • not only has He not forgotten you,
  • 00:46:03.030 --> 00:46:04.150
  • He's gonna bless you right where you are.
  • 00:46:04.150 --> 00:46:06.150
  • He's not gonna take you from this to some place else,
  • 00:46:06.150 --> 00:46:08.190
  • He's gonna bless you where you are
  • 00:46:08.190 --> 00:46:09.210
  • so that you may walk deeper
  • 00:46:09.210 --> 00:46:11.060
  • into all that He's called you for and that's when He says,
  • 00:46:11.060 --> 00:46:13.160
  • I know the plans I have for you.
  • 00:46:13.160 --> 00:46:16.280
  • Plans not to harm you, but plans to prosper you
  • 00:46:18.030 --> 00:46:21.200
  • and give you a hope and give you a future.
  • 00:46:21.200 --> 00:46:25.130
  • A friend of mine, DR BJ Willhite says,
  • 00:46:25.130 --> 00:46:27.060
  • God is not out to get you, He's out to bless you.
  • 00:46:27.060 --> 00:46:30.110
  • And He's moving you to a position
  • 00:46:30.110 --> 00:46:31.260
  • where He's gonna manifest his power in your life.
  • 00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:34.260
  • And your vehicle for that was TBN.
  • 00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:38.140
  • That's enough to praise God for.
  • 00:46:39.190 --> 00:46:41.070
  • (audience applauding)
  • 00:46:41.070 --> 00:46:44.050
  • - So after all these years,
  • 00:46:44.050 --> 00:46:48.080
  • we're sitting in roughly the same spot,
  • 00:46:48.080 --> 00:46:50.250
  • the same studio, talking about the same Jesus,
  • 00:46:50.250 --> 00:46:53.110
  • doing the same thing, looks a little bit different now.
  • 00:46:53.110 --> 00:46:56.170
  • But make sure you don't get up from this set
  • 00:46:56.170 --> 00:47:00.110
  • without saying in the last, we got about 10 more minutes
  • 00:47:00.110 --> 00:47:04.160
  • left in this broadcast, without saying,
  • 00:47:04.160 --> 00:47:06.150
  • what you feel is important.
  • 00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:09.090
  • - You know, one of the things that I forget
  • 00:47:10.140 --> 00:47:12.200
  • and maybe there's someone else who forgets this also,
  • 00:47:12.200 --> 00:47:15.080
  • is that God never blesses me for me.
  • 00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:17.140
  • God never blesses you for you.
  • 00:47:19.190 --> 00:47:21.250
  • God never blessed you for TBN,
  • 00:47:21.250 --> 00:47:25.090
  • God blessed you and TBN to bless the world.
  • 00:47:26.260 --> 00:47:29.010
  • Because, God puts us in a position
  • 00:47:31.060 --> 00:47:34.250
  • to receive a blessing and then release that blessing.
  • 00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:39.100
  • The problem that we have is once we receive it,
  • 00:47:39.100 --> 00:47:42.050
  • we wanna hold onto it.
  • 00:47:42.050 --> 00:47:43.290
  • And yet God puts us in a position to be a channel,
  • 00:47:43.290 --> 00:47:47.160
  • a vessel, so that all that is happening around the world
  • 00:47:47.160 --> 00:47:51.130
  • is because of God's power moving through TBN
  • 00:47:51.130 --> 00:47:54.230
  • and so the vision that you had,
  • 00:47:54.230 --> 00:47:56.080
  • you could keep it to yourself, the dreams that you have,
  • 00:47:56.080 --> 00:47:58.170
  • the ideas that you have cannot be contained
  • 00:47:58.170 --> 00:48:02.090
  • just here in Southern California.
  • 00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:04.100
  • It's bigger than that.
  • 00:48:04.100 --> 00:48:06.030
  • I hear God saying to someone today.
  • 00:48:06.030 --> 00:48:08.120
  • It's bigger than that.
  • 00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:09.150
  • Even the plan that you have,
  • 00:48:10.140 --> 00:48:12.140
  • the vision that you have is bigger than that.
  • 00:48:12.140 --> 00:48:15.050
  • So, God says, expand your territory.
  • 00:48:15.050 --> 00:48:17.190
  • God says, get your mind ready to move
  • 00:48:17.190 --> 00:48:19.210
  • to a whole nother dimension.
  • 00:48:19.210 --> 00:48:21.030
  • God's brought someone here to this program tonight
  • 00:48:22.160 --> 00:48:24.170
  • to let you know it's bigger.
  • 00:48:24.170 --> 00:48:28.010
  • What God wants to do in your life,
  • 00:48:29.060 --> 00:48:31.090
  • in that church, in your family, in your children,
  • 00:48:31.090 --> 00:48:35.130
  • it's bigger than that.
  • 00:48:36.110 --> 00:48:37.140
  • It's exceedingly, abundantly above all you can ever ask
  • 00:48:38.270 --> 00:48:41.100
  • or think, because God has ordained,
  • 00:48:41.100 --> 00:48:44.130
  • that He wants to get glory out of your life.
  • 00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:47.160
  • Most of us don't fully understand how big God is.
  • 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:54.000
  • If, listen, if you ever, ever, ever grasp,
  • 00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:57.230
  • if you ever begin to get a hold of,
  • 00:48:57.230 --> 00:49:00.090
  • if you ever get your mind around,
  • 00:49:00.090 --> 00:49:01.240
  • if you ever begin to think around how big your God is,
  • 00:49:01.240 --> 00:49:05.150
  • if you ever begin to grasp how big your God is,
  • 00:49:06.270 --> 00:49:09.270
  • it will impact how big your dreams are.
  • 00:49:09.270 --> 00:49:12.190
  • It will impact how big your prayers are,
  • 00:49:12.190 --> 00:49:15.070
  • it will impact how big your goals are,
  • 00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:17.120
  • because if you know you serve a great big God,
  • 00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:20.010
  • you cannot pray little tee-ninesy,
  • 00:49:20.010 --> 00:49:21.210
  • can I say little tee-ninesy?
  • 00:49:21.210 --> 00:49:23.040
  • - [Laurie] Yes, you can, it's perfect.
  • 00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:24.130
  • - You cannot know you serve a great big God
  • 00:49:24.130 --> 00:49:26.170
  • and pray little tee-ninesy prayers.
  • 00:49:26.170 --> 00:49:28.080
  • He's bigger than that.
  • 00:49:28.080 --> 00:49:30.020
  • And I say to someone today, get a hold of this big God
  • 00:49:30.020 --> 00:49:32.270
  • and watch Him use you for his glory.
  • 00:49:32.270 --> 00:49:35.080
  • - [Matt] Wow, beautiful.
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  • Beautiful.
  • 00:49:36.290 --> 00:49:37.240
  • I received a pretty impactful note from a prisoner
  • 00:49:43.110 --> 00:49:47.130
  • the other day, who spends most of his day in a small
  • 00:49:47.130 --> 00:49:52.130
  • little area confined.
  • 00:49:53.050 --> 00:49:54.210
  • We have placed TBN by the partners giving equipment
  • 00:49:54.210 --> 00:49:59.060
  • to have of the prisons in the United States now
  • 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.010
  • are carrying not only TBN, but the Hillsong channel
  • 00:50:05.010 --> 00:50:09.090
  • and some of our other channels that we make available.
  • 00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:12.120
  • And there's a whole lot of people incarcerated
  • 00:50:12.120 --> 00:50:14.240
  • that sometimes might feel like a word passes them,
  • 00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:18.120
  • because of their situation, a word to them please.
  • 00:50:18.120 --> 00:50:21.040
  • - I received a letter from a guy like you in prison.
  • 00:50:21.040 --> 00:50:25.200
  • And I didn't know him, he didn't know me.
  • 00:50:26.250 --> 00:50:29.070
  • He saw me on TV, which was nothing but the power of God,
  • 00:50:29.070 --> 00:50:34.040
  • because I'm not even on regularly.
  • 00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:38.090
  • But that particular program was again, sovereignly airing
  • 00:50:38.090 --> 00:50:43.080
  • at a time for this guy to see it.
  • 00:50:43.080 --> 00:50:44.240
  • And he wrote me a letter and said, it's been
  • 00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.130
  • such an encouragement to me,
  • 00:50:46.130 --> 00:50:47.280
  • pray for me etc, that's the power of what God is doing
  • 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.210
  • through TBN, it's the power to touch lives
  • 00:50:53.260 --> 00:50:56.230
  • no matter where they are.
  • 00:50:56.230 --> 00:50:58.010
  • And the power to touch lives
  • 00:50:58.270 --> 00:51:00.170
  • no matter what position you're in.
  • 00:51:00.170 --> 00:51:02.130
  • And maybe someone is watching this program today,
  • 00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:06.080
  • and you're behind physical bars.
  • 00:51:06.080 --> 00:51:09.010
  • And God's word to you is, you're still free in Him.
  • 00:51:09.010 --> 00:51:13.120
  • That He's opening up those things that would incarcerate you
  • 00:51:13.120 --> 00:51:17.110
  • that were holding you back.
  • 00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:19.040
  • Some of you are coming out, now here's the amazing thing.
  • 00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:23.020
  • Others of you, God's gonna use you right where you are.
  • 00:51:24.160 --> 00:51:26.280
  • God's gonna use you to bless someone behind those bars.
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  • God's gonna give you a word to encourage someone,
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  • because God says to you what He said to Israel,
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  • I'm gonna bless you right where you are.
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  • And it's that word that God has sovereignly
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  • and providentially ordained for you
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  • which simply means, God wants to use you
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  • right where you are.
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  • Love you, right where you are
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  • and get glory out of your life right where you are,
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  • that's the power of God, man.
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  • - Yeah, when you think about it, the word of the Lord
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  • to the prophet to the people in Babylonia,
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  • Babylonia was basically prison.
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  • They had been swept away into captivity,
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  • it was basically the whole group of them, just,
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  • and the Lord said, stay there, plant your vineyards,
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  • do your whole thing.
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  • - Think of all the people that were imprisoned in the Bible,
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  • Joseph and Daniel and Paul and Silas and so many of --
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  • - Pretty good group huh?
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  • - It's a great group, you know, I remember reading a book
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  • one time and this guy was in prison
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  • and he was a Christian guy and the Lord spoke to me.
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  • He said, you have no idea how many men I have in here.
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  • How many women I have in here.
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  • For that prison ministry.
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  • And you do, you think about it.
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  • That your letter that you were talking about from Jeremy,
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  • he hasn't turned the TV off for several weeks now.
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  • And he gave his life to Christ.
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  • And he's there, forever, for his life, well not forever,
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  • but for the rest of his life, you know?
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  • - And God's using him while he's there.
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  • And that's part of the amazing thing,
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  • there's a guy in our church
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  • who for whatever reason went off to prison.
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  • And he would write me, telling me about,
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  • he led this guy to the Lord, he's leading this Bible study,
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  • he's doing this kind of ministry there
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  • and he's out now as a matter of fact
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  • and God still use--, matter of fact he's preaching now.
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  • But he was a demonstration of the fact that God used,
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  • God wants you to bloom where you're planted.
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  • Wherever you're planted right now,
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  • God's not taking you from here to bless you over there.
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  • He's gonna bless you from here to there.
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  • I said that too fast.
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  • He's not saying, He's gonna bless you here
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  • and then leave you here and then go over some place else.
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  • He's gonna bless you from here to there.
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  • Because God is going to use you
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  • and many people are watching right now.
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  • And we always think it's someone else.
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  • My pastor, I tell people all the time.
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  • Don't bring them to me, I've got my hands full.
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  • You take care of him, you bless him where you are,
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  • 'cause God wants to use you.
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  • It's not just an elite position like the guys
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  • who wear collars and robes and stuff or now jeans
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  • and slacks, whatever they wear,
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  • but it is that God wants to use each and everyone of us
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  • to go into the world.
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  • - In the last couple of minutes,
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  • just give us why this book helps people.
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  • "Passing the Generational Blessing",
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  • we were kinda preaching about this
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  • before the program started and we have this theme
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  • that I think you found tonight about people were called
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  • to hear this message tonight, so there's somebody
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  • waiting to hear a little piece of this,
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  • and just kinda all the way to the end of the broadcast,
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  • just kinda take your liberty and --
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  • - In this book, "Passing the Generation Blessing"
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  • I used the motif of runners who are racing
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  • in a relay race.
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  • And in the relay race, there's an area called a passing zone
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  • and in that passing zone, the guy with the baton is running
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  • or the woman with the baton is running as fast as she can.
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  • When she gets to this passing zone, there's another runner
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  • who's running also as fast as he or she can.
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  • And the skill is to pass that baton
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  • while both of them are running full speed ahead
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  • in that passing lane.
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  • Because God gives us time to pass the vision,
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  • that's why TBN is back on the air.
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  • God gives us time to pass that blessing,
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  • that's why God is blessing you to bless someone else.
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  • But that He never blesses us for us,
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  • and one of the things that you wanna pass
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  • is your confidence and belief in God.
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  • The baton is only passed when it is released and received.
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  • Your job is to release it.
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  • And to your children and to your family,
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  • but it is to declare that God is a part of my life.
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  • Unashamedly, unashamedly, there ought to be
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  • some nobody but God spots in your life.
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  • Where you look back at those things and said now,
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  • when I was in that God brought me out
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  • and a believer without a testimony,
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  • that's a contradiction of terms.
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  • And don't forget where God has brought you from.
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  • Don't forget the stuff that God delivered you from.
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  • And declare now, it was God and only God who did it then
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  • and he can do it again.
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  • And that's enough reason to give God praise.
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  • - Beautiful,
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  • love it.
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  • "Passing the Generational Blessing", this book is available
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  • wherever books are sold,
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  • but you could go to Amazon right now,
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  • that's usually the quickest, easiest way to do it.
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  • And you're welcome for that, Amazon, by the way,
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  • I say that a lot and we get nothing out of that
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  • except you get the book and you get everything
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  • that Kenneth Ulmer does to make sure he writes
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  • these amazing books and thank you.
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  • - We love you so much. - Thank you.
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  • - Love you guys, my wife says hello.
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  • - Thank you for being here.
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  • Thank you for sitting and ministering to this audience.
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  • - Yeah and us.
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  • - Very few people know how to do that
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  • the way you did that tonight and for that I say thank you.
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  • And the partners say thank you.
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  • We love you very much, we'll see you again.
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  • We'll see you next time.
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  • Bye bye.
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