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September 20, 2019
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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show

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  • -[COMMUTER] HEY!
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  • [PEOPLE CHEERING]
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  • THE ERIC METAXAS RADIO SHOW
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  • - HEY FOLKS, IT'S THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW.
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  • I LOVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE
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  • FROM ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, FROM ALL DIFFERENT PLACES,
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  • AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT COME ON THIS PROGRAM,
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  • I BUMP INTO THEM ALL THE TIME,
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  • AND I NEVER GET TO HAVE AN ACTUAL CONVERSATION,
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  • SO I HAVE THEM ON THE SHOW.
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  • ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS SAMUEL RODRIGUEZ.
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  • HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL HISPANIC
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  • CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE.
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  • HE'S A PASTOR, I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT WHY SHOULD?
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  • HE'S RIGHT HERE.
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  • ALL RIGHT, SO I KNOW YOU IN SO MANY DIFFERENT CONTEXTS,
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  • SO I ALWAYS WANNA KNOW PEOPLE'S STORIES,
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  • 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW YOUR STORY,
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  • I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAME TO FAITH OR WHEREVER.
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  • FIRST OF ALL, START WHERE'D YOU GROW UP.
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  • - PENNSYLVANIA.
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  • I'M A BETHLEHEM, PENNSYLVANIA KID.
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  • MY DAD WAS A MAG TRUCK WORKER, MOM WAS A HOMEWORKER,
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  • WORKING CLASS BLUE COLLAR COMMUNITY.
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  • MY PARENTS ARE NOT PREACHERS.
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  • I'M A MATH NERD, GREW UP WITH AN OBSESSION
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  • WITH MATHEMATICS AND SCIENCE.
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  • I'M AN EVANGELICAL TREKKIE.
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  • - THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL HISPANIC WORKING CLASS STORY,
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  • MATH NERD, RIGHT?
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  • - YEAH, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.
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  • WHAT CAN I TELL YOU?
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  • AND I HAD MY EXPERIENCE WITH CHRIST
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  • IN AN EVANGELICAL CHURCH AT THE AGE OF 14.
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  • I GAVE MY LIFE TO THE LORD, AND--
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  • - WERE YOUR PARENTS EVANGELICAL?
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  • - YES, BUT BECAUSE OF MY MATHEMATICAL
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  • LINEAR SEQUENTIAL WAY OF THINKING, I WAS SKEPTICAL.
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  • SO I WAS AN EVANGELICAL AGNOSTIC,
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  • AND I HAD A LEGITIMATE ENCOUNTER
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  • WITH THE GRACE-FILLED WORK OF CHRIST, AND HERE I AM.
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  • - WOW.
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  • WHEN DID YOU KNOW YOU WANTED TO GO INTO MINISTRY?
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  • - AGE OF 14, I HAVE THIS MOMENT OF ZEN,
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  • IN THE WORDS OF JON STEWART.
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  • I HAVE AN EPIPHANY, RIGHT, OR ROAD TO DAMASCUS MOMENT.
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  • AND I SAW BILLY GRAHAM SPEAK ON TELEVISION
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  • AND I WENT WHOA, YEAH, THIS THING WORKS.
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  • THEN I SAW A SPECIAL ON DR. KING ON PBS
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  • AND I WENT WHOA, THAT THING WORKS.
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  • NOW I DIDN'T GET IT BACK THEN,
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  • BUT IN MY MIND, MY MISSION STATEMENT WAS,
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  • AND I STRUGGLED WITH IT, RECONCILING BILLY
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  • WITH DR. KING'S MARCH.
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  • CAN WE HAVE A RIGHTEOUSNESS AND JUSTICE MOVEMENT?
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  • AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THAT.
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  • AND SO AT THE AGE OF 14, IT BEGAN TO,
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  • THE PERCOLATING PROCESS SORT OF INITIATED,
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  • AND THEN RIGHT AFTER PENN STATE,
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  • UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, LEHIGH UNIVERSITY,
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  • IT ALL EXPLODED, I WENT LIKE, THIS IS IT.
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  • -[ERIC] REALLY? - YEAH.
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  • - AND SO DO YOU GO INTO SEMINARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
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  • OR DO YOU JUST GO STRAIGHT INTO MINISTRY?
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  • - I ATTENDED A BIBLE INSTITUTE AND SO FORTH.
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  • MY STUDIES WERE PRIMARILY SECULAR.
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  • BUT I WENT TO THE TYPICAL DENOMINATIONALLY-INCLINED
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  • ASSEMBLY OF GOD BIBLE SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH.
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  • BUT I REALLY FELT IMPRESSED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT,
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  • THIS IS YOUR, AND I KNEW, I MEAN IT WAS JUST CLEAR AS DAY,
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  • EVERYTHING ELSE SHUT OVER HERE
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  • AND EVERYTHING OPENED OVER HERE.
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  • AND GOD GRACED ME IN MY SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS
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  • WITH YOUTH AND SO FORTH, AND HERE WE ARE THESE YEARS LATER.
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  • - AND YOU'RE INVOLVED IN SO MANY THINGS,
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  • I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THEM.
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  • FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA MENTION THAT THE MAIN REASON
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  • YOU'RE HERE IS 'CAUSE I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME
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  • A BRAND NEW BOOK CALLED "YOU ARE NEXT:
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  • "DESTROY WHAT HAS PARALYZED YOU
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  • "AND NEVER MISS YOUR MOMENT AGAIN."
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  • YOU'VE WRITTEN A NUMBER OF BOOKS,
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  • YOU'RE A BIG DEAL PASTOR IN CALIFORNIA,
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  • YOU JUST MENTIONED YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL CAMPUSES THERE.
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  • THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,
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  • WHEN WE HAD THESE SHOOTINGS,
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  • WE HAVE ALL THIS HORRIBLE STUFF HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY,
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  • AND I SAY FOR ME, ULTIMATELY, IT'S SIMPLE.
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  • WE NEED SPIRITUAL REVIVAL,
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  • WE NEED PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN
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  • TO BE ALL IN, ALL IN, AND TO GET HEALED
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  • OF THEIR PROBLEMS AND STUFF.
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  • THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS BOOK IS ABOUT.
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  • AND THEN PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND OF ON THE FENCE,
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  • THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND YOU NEED GOD IN YOUR LIFE.
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  • LIKE, YOU CANNOT GET THROUGH THIS LIFE
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  • WITHOUT THE GOD WHO MADE YOU, WHO INVENTED YOU AND STUFF,
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  • SO I KNOW THAT'S A BIG THING YOU TALK ABOUT IN THE BOOK.
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  • SO LET'S GET INTO THAT.
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  • WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, YOU ARE NEXT?
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  • - IT'S THE META-NARRATIVE OF JOHN, THE GOSPEL OF JOHN.
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  • JESUS ENCOUNTERS A MAN WHO IS PARALYZED FOR 38 YEARS,
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  • AND THIS MAN WAS LITERALLY PHYSICALLY SITUATED
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  • NEXT TO THE POOL OF BETHESDA, AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE,
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  • AN ANGEL WOULD COME DOWN AND STIR UP THE WATERS
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  • AND THE FIRST PERSON TO STEP
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  • INTO THE WATERS WOULD BE HEALED.
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  • THIS MAN WOULD ACTUALLY SEE OTHER PEOPLE
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  • GET THEIR BREAKTHROUGH AND THEIR HEALINGS.
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  • HE WAS PARALYZED FOR 38.
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  • NOW HE STATES IN THE SEVENTH VERSE THE FOLLOWING:
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  • "I ALWAYS MISS MY TURN BECAUSE I'M DEPENDING
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  • "ON OTHER PEOPLE TO PUT ME INTO THE WATER.
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  • "I'M PARALYZED, AND THERE'S NEVER ANYONE AROUND ME
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  • "WHEN THE WATERS BUBBLE UP."
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  • WHEN WE DEPEND ON OTHERS MORE THAN WE DEPEND ON GOD,
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  • PERPETUAL PARALYSIS WILL DEFINE US.
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  • IT'S AN ISSUE OF DEPENDENCY.
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  • WHAT ARE YOU DEPENDING ON?
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  • WHO ARE YOU DEPENDING ON?
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  • SO THE BOOK BREAKS DOWN WHAT PARALYZES US.
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  • IS IT SIN, FEAR, THE PAST?
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  • I HAVE AN EXPOSÉ THERE ON HYPE,
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  • HYPERBOLE, WE'RE PARALYZED BY HYPERBOLE,
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  • HYPERSENSITIVITY, EVERYTHING EASILY OFFENDS US.
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  • HYPER-VICTIMIZATION.
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  • THIS GUY WAS THE PERMANENT HASHTAG
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  • VICTIM, VICTIM, VICTIM, VICTIM, VICTIM,
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  • AND THIS IDEA OF DEPENDENCY ON OTHERS MORE THAN ON GOD.
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  • SO IN THE BOOK I BREAK,
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  • THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT PARALYZE US,
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  • EVEN COLLECTIVELY AS A SOCIETY.
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  • UNFORTUNATELY, WE LIVE IN A GENERATION,
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  • WE'RE PARALYZED BY JUST UNBRIDLED ENTITLEMENT
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  • AND THIS NOTION THAT UNCLE SAM
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  • IS THE SAVIOR OF ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.
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  • AND I STATE IN THE BOOK, UNCLE SAM MAY BE OUR UNCLE,
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  • BUT HE WILL NEVER BE OUR HEAVENLY FATHER,
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  • AND WE HAVE TO PIVOT, DEPEND ON GOD,
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  • PSALM 62, VERSE FIVE, DEPEND ON GOD
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  • AND YOU'LL COME OUT OF PARALYSIS.
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  • - WELL YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING
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  • BECAUSE YOU MENTION ASSEMBLIES OF GOD,
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  • BECAUSE SPIRITUALLY MY BACKGROUND IS
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  • DAVID WILKERSON, I REALLY GET THAT, RIGHT,
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  • THAT YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE THIS FIERY RELATIONSHIP
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  • WITH THE LORD, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
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  • WHO ARE CHRISTIANS DON'T HAVE THAT.
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  • THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, THEY BELIEVE,
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  • BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT FIERY FAITH,
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  • AND I THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
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  • IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE
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  • TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S GIVING YOU ANXIETY.
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  • YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO GOD,
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  • AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT
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  • EXCEPT THAT I THINK THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE
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  • KIND OF A BASIC THING, BUT YOUR FAITH HAS TO BE STRONG.
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  • YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT GOD IS REAL
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  • AND THAT HE ACTUALLY, MAYBE THIS IS MY POINT,
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  • IS THAT GOD REALLY HEARS YOUR PRAYER
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  • AND REALLY ANSWERS PRAYERS.
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  • 'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE,
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  • THEY FEEL EH, HE'S NOT GONNA HEAR MY PRAYER,
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  • I PRAYED MANY TIMES, HE'S NOT GONNA HEAR MY PRAYER.
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  • - BUT DO WE REALLY BELIEVE GOD?
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  • MANY EVEN WITHIN THE MONIKERS
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  • OF THE CHRISTIAN SPEAKY'S WORLD, RIGHT,
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  • DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE?
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  • I MEAN, DO YOU BELIEVE ENOUGH
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  • TO GET YOU TO WAKE UP EVERY DAY?
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  • IF WE REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE GOD,
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  • THE FULLNESS OF GOD FOR ALL OF HIS PROMISES,
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  • THEN WE WOULD LIVE DIFFERENTLY.
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  • WE WOULD REALLY BELIEVE WITH THE EXPECTATION
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  • THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE WORLD.
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  • AND THAT'S NOT LIKE A MILLENNIAL CAUSE, HASHTAG THING,
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  • WE REALLY CAN CHANGE THE WORLD
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  • IF WE BELIEVE THAT MY INTERACTION,
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  • THAT GOD WILL GRACE IT AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN
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  • WAY BEYOND OUR HUMAN EXPLANATION
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  • AND OUR COGNITIVE BANDWIDTH.
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  • WE CAN DO THIS.
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  • THAT BOOK BREAKS IT DOWN.
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  • HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
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  • HE NEVER MISSED HIS TURN AGAIN.
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  • BY THE WAY, JESUS HAS A CONVERSATION
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  • WITH HIM WHICH IS EPIC.
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  • JESUS ASKS THIS MAN WHO'S 38 YEARS PARALYZED,
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  • DO YOU WANNA GET WELL?
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  • ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
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  • ARE YOU SERIOUS?
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  • DO YOU WANT ME TO HEAL YOU?
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  • HIS RESPONSE, THE PARALYZED MAN,
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  • HE'S COMPLETELY GRAMMATICALLY INCOHERENT.
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  • HIS RESPONSE SHOULD BE YES OR NO.
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  • HIS RESPONSE IS, "I CAN'T."
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  • LET'S BREAK THIS DOWN AGAIN.
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  • JESUS SAYS DO YOU WANNA GET WELL?
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  • DO YOU WANT ME TO HEAL YOU?
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  • DO YOU WANT ME TO HEAL YOU?
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  • HIS RESPONSE IS, "I CAN'T."
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  • - WOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
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  • - I CAN'T.
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  • YOU CAN'T WANT ME TO HEAL YOU?
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  • YOUR RESPONSE IS INCOHERENT.
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  • THE NEXT THING JESUS DOES IS HE TELLS HIM TO STAND UP.
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  • NOW NOTICE HOW JESUS BYPASSED THE LUDICROUSY
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  • THAT CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH,
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  • 'CAUSE HIS MIND WAS PARALYZED, HIS VISION.
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  • EVERYTHING WAS PARALYZED.
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  • JESUS ORDERED HIM TO STAND UP.
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  • IN THE GREEK EXEGETICAL PASSAGE,
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  • IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION, A SUPPOSITION.
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  • JESUS DID NOT ADDRESS THE DRAMA, HE ADDRESSED HIS DESTINY.
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  • HE SPOKE TO THE PURPOSE OF THE MAN INSIDE THE MAN
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  • AND SAID YOU'RE STANDING UP
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  • WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, SUNSHINE.
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  • I'M PROVING A POINT HERE.
  • 00:08:06.110 --> 00:08:07.140
  • STAND UP.
  • 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.180
  • AND HE STOOD UP.
  • 00:08:08.200 --> 00:08:10.010
  • HE STOOD UP.
  • 00:08:10.030 --> 00:08:11.040
  • THEN THE NEXT THING HE TELLS HIM,
  • 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:12.110
  • WHICH IS PRETTY POWERFUL, IS PICK UP YOUR MAT.
  • 00:08:12.130 --> 00:08:14.050
  • AND METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING, IF WE LEAVE OUR MATS BEHIND,
  • 00:08:14.070 --> 00:08:18.120
  • PEOPLE CAN TRIP OVER OUR MATS.
  • 00:08:18.140 --> 00:08:20.030
  • PEOPLE CAN TRIP OVER OUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES
  • 00:08:20.050 --> 00:08:22.140
  • THAT WE NEVER BROUGHT TO CLOSURE OR DEALT WITH.
  • 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.180
  • JESUS SAYS PICK UP YOUR MAT.
  • 00:08:24.200 --> 00:08:26.040
  • WHEN YOU PICK UP YOUR MAT,
  • 00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:27.060
  • YOU'RE TELLING BOTH HEAVEN AND HELL,
  • 00:08:27.080 --> 00:08:28.160
  • YOUR HATERS AND YOUR FRIENDS
  • 00:08:28.180 --> 00:08:29.210
  • THAT YOU DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE.
  • 00:08:29.230 --> 00:08:31.030
  • MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU'RE TELLING YOURSELF THAT'S NOT ME.
  • 00:08:31.050 --> 00:08:33.090
  • I WON'T COME BACK TO THIS PLACE.
  • 00:08:33.110 --> 00:08:34.210
  • THERE WON'T BE A SENSE OF EXPECTATION
  • 00:08:34.230 --> 00:08:36.010
  • THAT ONE DAY I MAY RETURN.
  • 00:08:36.030 --> 00:08:37.030
  • - DO YOU EVER GET AMAZED AT HOW MUCH
  • 00:08:37.050 --> 00:08:39.090
  • THIS SCRIPTURE MAKES SENSE?
  • 00:08:39.110 --> 00:08:40.160
  • LIKE, IT'S JUST SO EXTRAORDINARY.
  • 00:08:40.180 --> 00:08:42.240
  • THERE'S NOTHING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD
  • 00:08:42.260 --> 00:08:45.240
  • IN TERMS OF LITERATURE THAT APPROACHES
  • 00:08:45.260 --> 00:08:47.270
  • THE DEPTH OF THE BIBLE.
  • 00:08:47.290 --> 00:08:48.270
  • THE FACT THAT IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
  • 00:08:48.290 --> 00:08:50.200
  • - IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
  • 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:51.250
  • I LOVE THE QUERIES, THE QUESTIONS.
  • 00:08:51.270 --> 00:08:54.130
  • OF COURSE, THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT FOR GOD
  • 00:08:54.150 --> 00:08:56.110
  • TO LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT US,
  • 00:08:56.130 --> 00:08:57.210
  • IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LORD ACQUIRING INFORMATION,
  • 00:08:57.230 --> 00:08:59.290
  • IT'S ABOUT US RECEIVING SOME REVELATION, DISCOVERING TRUTH.
  • 00:09:00.030 --> 00:09:03.130
  • I LOVE IT, AND THAT PASSAGE IN ITSELF
  • 00:09:03.150 --> 00:09:06.080
  • SPOKE TO ME, STAND UP, PICK UP YOUR MAT, START WALKING.
  • 00:09:06.100 --> 00:09:09.260
  • AND THEN THE PHARISEE ENCOUNTERS HIM
  • 00:09:09.280 --> 00:09:11.120
  • AND SAYS, "WHO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT
  • 00:09:11.140 --> 00:09:12.110
  • "TO CARRY THE MAT ON THE SABBATH?"
  • 00:09:12.130 --> 00:09:13.290
  • ONE OF THE GREATEST RESPONSES EVER, WHICH I USE TO THIS DAY,
  • 00:09:14.010 --> 00:09:17.000
  • THE MAN SAYS, "YOU'RE ASKING ME WHO GIVES ME THE RIGHT?
  • 00:09:17.020 --> 00:09:19.070
  • "THE ONE WHO HEALED ME GIVES ME THE RIGHT."
  • 00:09:19.090 --> 00:09:21.030
  • ERIC, WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME AND AGE
  • 00:09:21.050 --> 00:09:23.000
  • WE'RE GETTING ASKED IS WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT
  • 00:09:23.020 --> 00:09:24.070
  • TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE?
  • 00:09:24.090 --> 00:09:25.160
  • WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN
  • 00:09:25.180 --> 00:09:26.180
  • WHAT YOU TEACH THEM ABOUT THE BIBLE?
  • 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:27.280
  • GOD, THE CENTRALITY OF CHRIST, HOLY SEXUALITY.
  • 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.200
  • WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP THE WAY YOU WORSHIP?
  • 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:33.020
  • OUR ANSWER MUST BE THE SAME.
  • 00:09:33.040 --> 00:09:34.130
  • THE ONE WHO SAVED ME, DELIVERED ME, AND HEALED ME.
  • 00:09:34.150 --> 00:09:36.220
  • JESUS GIVES ME THE RIGHT.
  • 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.000
  • - WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FIRE IN US,
  • 00:09:38.020 --> 00:09:40.190
  • AND I DO FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE REASONS
  • 00:09:40.210 --> 00:09:43.020
  • I GET EXCITED ABOUT THIS BOOK AND ABOUT YOUR MESSAGE
  • 00:09:43.040 --> 00:09:45.080
  • IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
  • 00:09:45.100 --> 00:09:46.250
  • THEY'RE LIVING CHRISTIAN FAITH IN KIND OF HALF MEASURES.
  • 00:09:46.270 --> 00:09:49.280
  • MAYBE THEY WANT SOMETHING,
  • 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.010
  • BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT,
  • 00:09:52.030 --> 00:09:53.090
  • THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF THEIR RUT,
  • 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:54.250
  • AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING APPLIES TO THAT.
  • 00:09:54.270 --> 00:09:59.280
  • THE SUBTITLE OF THE BOOK "YOU ARE NEXT"
  • 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.020
  • IS "DESTROY WHAT HAS PARALYZED YOU
  • 00:10:01.040 --> 00:10:02.180
  • "AND NEVER MISS YOUR MOMENT AGAIN."
  • 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.100
  • THE IDEA THAT THIS GUY IS SITTING BY THIS POOL
  • 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.180
  • CONSTANTLY MISSING HIS MOMENT, IT'S HEARTBREAKING.
  • 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.280
  • - IT IS, IT'S TRAGIC TO A GREAT DEGREE.
  • 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:13.270
  • - AND OF COURSE IT'S STRANGE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT
  • 00:10:13.290 --> 00:10:16.090
  • WHAT IS THIS THING ABOUT THIS ANGEL MOVING, THAT'S A WHOLE--
  • 00:10:16.110 --> 00:10:18.220
  • - THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. - OTHER SUBJECT, RIGHT?
  • 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.080
  • BUT IN ANY EVENT, I THINK THIS WILL SPEAK
  • 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:22.230
  • TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
  • 00:10:22.250 --> 00:10:24.000
  • SAMUEL RODRIGUEZ, MY FRIEND,
  • 00:10:24.020 --> 00:10:25.210
  • THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE SHOW.
  • 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:26.240
  • THANK YOU FOR THE BOOK "YOU ARE NEXT."
  • 00:10:26.260 --> 00:10:27.200
  • THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
  • 00:10:27.220 --> 00:10:30.100
  • I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR VOICE.
  • 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:31.230
  • - THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE,
  • 00:10:31.250 --> 00:10:33.010
  • AND DITTO, MY FRIEND.
  • 00:10:33.030 --> 00:10:33.260
  • THANK YOU.
  • 00:10:33.280 --> 00:10:34.230
  • [ENERGETIC MUSIC]
  • 00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:40.200
  • [ENERGETIC MUSIC]
  • 00:10:40.220 --> 00:10:45.000
  • - I'M SITTING HERE WITH THE AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK,
  • 00:10:45.020 --> 00:10:47.050
  • "A CHANGE OF AFFECTION:
  • 00:10:47.070 --> 00:10:49.200
  • "A GAY MAN'S INCREDIBLE STORY OF REDEMPTION."
  • 00:10:49.220 --> 00:10:53.080
  • BECKET COOK, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
  • 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:55.180
  • - THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
  • 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:56.230
  • - THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
  • 00:10:56.250 --> 00:10:58.010
  • WHENEVER ANYBODY TELLS A STORY LIKE THIS,
  • 00:10:58.030 --> 00:10:59.280
  • PRINCIPALLY FOR WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER,
  • 00:11:00.020 --> 00:11:03.020
  • THAT PEOPLE ACT IN THIS CULTURE
  • 00:11:03.040 --> 00:11:05.120
  • AS THOUGH THESE STORIES DON'T EXIST,
  • 00:11:05.140 --> 00:11:06.210
  • YOU DON'T EXIST, YOU'RE BAD NEWS,
  • 00:11:06.230 --> 00:11:08.200
  • WE DON'T WANNA HEAR YOUR STORY, YOU'RE WEIRD.
  • 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:10.220
  • - YEAH.
  • 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:12.010
  • - BUT I WANNA HEAR YOUR STORY EXTREMELY MUCH,
  • 00:11:12.030 --> 00:11:14.040
  • AND I'M SURE MY AUDIENCE DOES.
  • 00:11:14.060 --> 00:11:16.090
  • AND SO WHERE DO WE START?
  • 00:11:16.110 --> 00:11:18.070
  • - DALLAS, TEXAS.
  • 00:11:18.090 --> 00:11:19.190
  • -[ERIC] DALLAS.
  • 00:11:19.210 --> 00:11:21.020
  • - IN A LARGE CATHOLIC, I'M THE YOUNGEST OF EIGHT KIDS,
  • 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:22.200
  • AND AT A VERY YOUNG AGE, I KNEW,
  • 00:11:22.220 --> 00:11:26.270
  • I STARTED TO SENSE THIS ATTRACTION TO THE SAME SEX.
  • 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:31.100
  • IN THAT WORLD IN DALLAS AND CATHOLIC SCHOOL,
  • 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.240
  • I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT WAS FORBIDDEN.
  • 00:11:34.260 --> 00:11:37.020
  • SO I HAD THIS SORT OF DOUBLE LIFE
  • 00:11:37.040 --> 00:11:42.090
  • AND KIND OF EXTERNALLY, I WAS A NORMAL KID,
  • 00:11:42.110 --> 00:11:45.260
  • BUT INTERNALLY I WAS WRESTLING
  • 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:47.020
  • WITH THIS KIND OF FEELING INSIDE
  • 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:50.240
  • AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
  • 00:11:50.260 --> 00:11:52.080
  • AND I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT AS LIKE A PERMANENT CONDITION.
  • 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:55.020
  • I JUST THOUGHT OH, THIS WILL EVENTUALLY PASS
  • 00:11:55.040 --> 00:11:57.050
  • AND MY LIFE WILL BE WHATEVER, NORMAL.
  • 00:11:57.070 --> 00:12:00.160
  • BUT AS I GREW OLDER AND INTO HIGH SCHOOL
  • 00:12:00.180 --> 00:12:03.020
  • AND MY BEST FRIEND IN HIGH SCHOOL WAS GAY,
  • 00:12:03.040 --> 00:12:06.170
  • WE CAME OUT TO EACH OTHER, AND THEN IN COLLEGE THE SAME.
  • 00:12:06.190 --> 00:12:09.160
  • I BEFRIENDED A GUY WHO WAS GAY,
  • 00:12:09.180 --> 00:12:11.260
  • WE CAME OUT TO EACH OTHER IN COLLEGE, IT WAS A WHOLE THING.
  • 00:12:11.280 --> 00:12:14.170
  • AND THEN SO IT WASN'T REALLY AT THAT TIME MY IDENTITY YET,
  • 00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:20.150
  • IT STILL WAS KIND OF LIKE THIS THING
  • 00:12:20.170 --> 00:12:22.020
  • OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS,
  • 00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:24.110
  • BUT I'M DEFINITELY ATTRACTED TO GUYS.
  • 00:12:24.130 --> 00:12:26.210
  • AND IT WASN'T TILL AFTER COLLEGE
  • 00:12:26.230 --> 00:12:29.210
  • I MOVED TO TOKYO FOR A YEAR, AND MY ROOMMATE'S BEST FRIEND
  • 00:12:29.230 --> 00:12:33.260
  • FROM DALLAS CAME TO VISIT US IN TOKYO
  • 00:12:33.280 --> 00:12:37.050
  • AND HE AND I, WE FELL IN LOVE.
  • 00:12:37.070 --> 00:12:40.110
  • THAT WAS WHEN THE IDENTITY OF HOMOSEXUALITY
  • 00:12:40.130 --> 00:12:43.210
  • BECAME CEMENTED, AND I CAME OUT TO EVERY,
  • 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.230
  • I CAME OUT TO MY FAMILY, MY PARENTS--
  • 00:12:46.250 --> 00:12:48.170
  • - NOW WHAT WAS THAT LIKE FOR YOUR PARENTS?
  • 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:50.150
  • 'CAUSE YOU SAID THEY WERE DEVOUT.
  • 00:12:50.170 --> 00:12:51.140
  • OBVIOUSLY NAMING THEIR KID BECKET
  • 00:12:51.160 --> 00:12:53.170
  • SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE DEVOUT.
  • 00:12:53.190 --> 00:12:54.200
  • HAVING EIGHT KIDS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:56.140
  • YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE
  • 00:12:56.160 --> 00:12:58.000
  • WHO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AND YOU KNOW
  • 00:12:58.020 --> 00:12:59.240
  • WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH CULTURAL
  • 00:12:59.260 --> 00:13:01.090
  • OR CAFETERIA CATHOLICS, SO-CALLED.
  • 00:13:01.110 --> 00:13:03.280
  • THAT MUST'VE BEEN TOUGH FOR YOUR PARENTS.
  • 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.240
  • - IT ACTUALLY WASN'T TOUGH, STRANGELY ENOUGH.
  • 00:13:05.260 --> 00:13:08.010
  • MY BROTHER WAS BECAME AN EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:13:08.030 --> 00:13:12.130
  • HE WAS LIKE THE MARTIN LUTHER IN MY FAMILY,
  • 00:13:12.150 --> 00:13:14.040
  • AND KINDA LED THIS REFORMATION IN MY FAMILY,
  • 00:13:14.060 --> 00:13:17.020
  • AND THAT WAS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR MY PARENTS
  • 00:13:17.040 --> 00:13:20.140
  • THAN ME COMING OUT AS GAY TO THEM.
  • 00:13:20.160 --> 00:13:22.140
  • - WOW.
  • 00:13:22.160 --> 00:13:23.230
  • - SO WHEN I CAME OUT TO MY PARENTS AS GAY, THEY--
  • 00:13:23.250 --> 00:13:25.230
  • - THEY WERE LIKE OH, THANK GOD HE'S NOT PROTESTANT.
  • 00:13:25.250 --> 00:13:27.120
  • - EXACTLY.
  • 00:13:27.140 --> 00:13:28.200
  • - THAT IS VERY FUNNY.
  • 00:13:28.220 --> 00:13:30.020
  • - I KNOW, AND THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T TAKE IT BADLY
  • 00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:33.040
  • BECAUSE I WAS THE YOUNGEST OF EIGHT KIDS,
  • 00:13:33.060 --> 00:13:36.060
  • AND SO BY THE TIME THEY GOT TO ME
  • 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:37.160
  • AND I TOLD THEM, OR THEY FOUND OUT, ACTUALLY.
  • 00:13:37.180 --> 00:13:40.260
  • THEY WERE JUST KINDA LIKE, THEY WERE REALLY LOVELY
  • 00:13:40.280 --> 00:13:45.050
  • ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY, THEY WERE SWEET.
  • 00:13:45.070 --> 00:13:46.170
  • - SOUNDS LIKE IT, YEAH.
  • 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:47.190
  • - AND MY DAD WAS JUST GREAT ABOUT IT,
  • 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:48.290
  • AND MY MOTHER CRIED OF COURSE,
  • 00:13:49.010 --> 00:13:51.000
  • AND I TOLD, AT THE TIME I WAS LIKE,
  • 00:13:51.020 --> 00:13:53.230
  • GUYS, IT'S FINE, IT'S OKAY, IT'S NORMAL,
  • 00:13:53.250 --> 00:13:58.050
  • DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME, LIKE, IT'S GREAT.
  • 00:13:58.070 --> 00:13:59.230
  • AND BUT YEAH, THEY WERE PRETTY GREAT ABOUT IT.
  • 00:13:59.250 --> 00:14:04.230
  • I MOVED TO LA.
  • 00:14:04.250 --> 00:14:06.220
  • YOU KNOW, SO I WAS IN THIS GROUP OF FRIENDS
  • 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.010
  • AND WE KIND OF HAD THIS FUN LIFE
  • 00:14:09.030 --> 00:14:11.190
  • AND THERE WERE TWO GOALS IN OUR LIVES.
  • 00:14:11.210 --> 00:14:13.100
  • SO EVERYONE HAD THE SAME GOALS,
  • 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:14.160
  • TO MAKE A MARK ON THIS WORLD
  • 00:14:14.180 --> 00:14:16.180
  • AND DO SOMETHING REALLY FABULOUS
  • 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:19.050
  • AND TO FIND TRUE LOVE, AND THAT'S ALL WE DID ALL THE TIME.
  • 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:22.160
  • AND WE WENT TO PARTIES, WE WENT TO PREMIERES,
  • 00:14:22.180 --> 00:14:24.280
  • WE WENT TO GOLDEN GLOBES, OSCARS, EMMYS,
  • 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.140
  • VANITY FAIR PARTIES, AND I WENT TO FASHION WEEKS
  • 00:14:27.160 --> 00:14:31.070
  • IN NEW YORK AND PARIS ALL THE TIME,
  • 00:14:31.090 --> 00:14:33.120
  • AND I HAD KIND OF A REALLY FUN LIFE IN LA.
  • 00:14:33.140 --> 00:14:38.170
  • I WENT TO DINNERS AT EVERYWHERE, AT EVERYONE'S HOUSE,
  • 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:43.080
  • LIKE TOM HANKS-- - NOW, WHAT WERE YOU DOING
  • 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:44.050
  • FOR A LIVING DURING THAT TIME?
  • 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:46.070
  • - SO THEN, OKAY SO THE ACTING AND THE WRITING
  • 00:14:46.090 --> 00:14:48.170
  • WERE KIND OF DIFFICULT AND I SOLD A COUPLE THINGS
  • 00:14:48.190 --> 00:14:51.270
  • TO VARIOUS NETWORKS, BUT IT WASN'T REALLY TAKING OFF,
  • 00:14:51.290 --> 00:14:56.020
  • SO I FELL INTO SET DESIGN.
  • 00:14:56.040 --> 00:14:58.090
  • - PRODUCTION DESIGN IS PRETTY COOL STUFF.
  • 00:14:58.110 --> 00:14:59.130
  • - IN THE FASHION WORLD.
  • 00:14:59.150 --> 00:15:00.220
  • SO I WOULD DO SHOOTS FOR THE COVER OF VOGUE
  • 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.100
  • AND HARPER'S BAZAAR, BUT ALSO LIKE GAP CAMPAIGNS AND--
  • 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.170
  • - YOU'RE REALLY TALENTED.
  • 00:15:05.190 --> 00:15:07.090
  • - WELL I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
  • 00:15:07.110 --> 00:15:08.240
  • AT A CERTAIN POINT, I GUESS MAYBE 10 YEARS INTO THIS LIFE
  • 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:12.090
  • OR 10 TO 12 YEARS INTO THIS,
  • 00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:16.080
  • THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS KIND OF STARTED TO SET IN,
  • 00:15:16.100 --> 00:15:19.160
  • AND I STARTED TO FEEL KIND OF
  • 00:15:19.180 --> 00:15:21.290
  • IS THAT ALL THERE IS TO A FIRE?
  • 00:15:22.010 --> 00:15:25.010
  • AND SO I WAS ACTUALLY IN PARIS AT A FASHION WEEK
  • 00:15:25.030 --> 00:15:28.040
  • IN MARCH OF 2009, AND I WAS AT
  • 00:15:28.060 --> 00:15:32.080
  • STELLA MCCARTNEY'S AFTER-PARTY FROM HER SHOW.
  • 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:34.160
  • - WHO WASN'T, AM I RIGHT?
  • 00:15:34.180 --> 00:15:35.250
  • - RIGHT?
  • 00:15:35.270 --> 00:15:36.200
  • WHO, EXACTLY!
  • 00:15:36.220 --> 00:15:37.160
  • I MEAN, EVERYONE WAS THERE.
  • 00:15:37.180 --> 00:15:38.220
  • - YOU WERE AT STELLA MCCARTNEY'S AFTER-PARTY.
  • 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.180
  • THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE WOULD THINK
  • 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.150
  • THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE STUFF THERE.
  • 00:15:43.170 --> 00:15:45.030
  • - WELL IT WASN'T BECAUSE I WAS THERE THAT NIGHT
  • 00:15:45.050 --> 00:15:48.020
  • AND PEOPLE, EVERYONE FROM THE FASHION WORLD WAS THERE
  • 00:15:48.040 --> 00:15:50.160
  • DRINKING CHAMPAGNE, DANCING, AND I WAS SITTING
  • 00:15:50.180 --> 00:15:56.090
  • WITH RACHEL ZOE AND HER HUSBAND RODGER,
  • 00:15:56.110 --> 00:15:58.130
  • SHE HAD A FASHION SHOW ON BRAVO,
  • 00:15:58.150 --> 00:16:00.240
  • BUT I WAS SITTING WITH THEM AND I REMEMBER
  • 00:16:00.260 --> 00:16:04.100
  • JUST LOOKING OUT OVER THE CROWD OF PEOPLE
  • 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.280
  • WITH MY GLASS OF CHAMPAGNE AND I WAS LIKE, THIS ISN'T IT.
  • 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.050
  • - WOW, THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE THINK
  • 00:16:10.070 --> 00:16:11.040
  • OH BOY, IF I COULD BE THERE.
  • 00:16:11.060 --> 00:16:12.250
  • SO YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU WERE THERE
  • 00:16:12.270 --> 00:16:14.090
  • AND WHILE YOU WERE THERE.
  • 00:16:14.110 --> 00:16:16.090
  • - I JUST FELT UTTERLY EMPTY AND I WAS IN THIS PANIC,
  • 00:16:16.110 --> 00:16:18.040
  • AND I JUST GHOSTED THE PARTY.
  • 00:16:18.060 --> 00:16:23.050
  • I DIDN'T TELL ANYONE I WAS LEAVING, I JUST LEFT,
  • 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:26.070
  • AND I WENT BACK AND I WAS JUST UP ALL NIGHT
  • 00:16:26.090 --> 00:16:28.210
  • TILL LIKE FIVE IN THE MORNING IN A PANIC
  • 00:16:28.230 --> 00:16:30.180
  • OF LIKE, WHAT AM I GONNA DO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE?
  • 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.080
  • ANYWAY, AFTER THAT PARTY IN PARIS,
  • 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:35.250
  • I CAME BACK TO LA, KIND OF GOT BUSY WITH WORK AGAIN
  • 00:16:35.270 --> 00:16:38.190
  • AND SORT OF FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:42.030
  • BUT I KNEW THAT I WAS GAY AND THAT CHRISTIANITY,
  • 00:16:42.050 --> 00:16:46.120
  • I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT CLUB.
  • 00:16:46.140 --> 00:16:48.000
  • I ALWAYS KNEW THAT, AND SO GOD AT THAT POINT IN MY LIFE
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:50.290
  • WAS NOT EVEN, HE WASN'T, AT THAT POINT
  • 00:16:51.010 --> 00:16:54.270
  • I WAS PRACTICALLY AN ATHEIST.
  • 00:16:54.290 --> 00:16:57.190
  • I JUST THOUGHT YOU KNOW WHAT?
  • 00:16:57.210 --> 00:16:59.130
  • THIS IS ALL A MYTH, IT CAN'T BE REAL,
  • 00:16:59.150 --> 00:17:02.010
  • AND SO I WAS SO COMPLETELY, GOD WASN'T EVEN ON MY RADAR.
  • 00:17:02.030 --> 00:17:06.190
  • CUT TO SIX MONTHS LATER IN LA,
  • 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:08.150
  • I'M AT THIS COFFEE SHOP AND WE NOTICE
  • 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:11.070
  • THIS TABLE NEXT TO US, AND WITH KIND OF YOUNG PEOPLE
  • 00:17:11.090 --> 00:17:15.090
  • AND THEY HAVE BIBLES ON THEIR TABLE.
  • 00:17:15.110 --> 00:17:17.250
  • I HAD NEVER SEEN A BIBLE IN LA IN MY ADULT LIFE.
  • 00:17:17.270 --> 00:17:22.110
  • SO WE WERE FASCINATED.
  • 00:17:22.130 --> 00:17:24.020
  • AND MY FRIEND WAS AN ATHEIST, TOO, GAY AS WELL.
  • 00:17:24.040 --> 00:17:26.290
  • AND WE ENDED UP IN THIS CONVERSATION
  • 00:17:27.010 --> 00:17:31.020
  • WITH THIS GROUP OF, HE LIKED, MY FRIEND LIKED
  • 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:33.210
  • TO KIND OF ENGAGE AND STIR THE POT A LITTLE BIT,
  • 00:17:33.230 --> 00:17:36.190
  • SO HE, AND WE ENDED UP TALKING THESE PEOPLE.
  • 00:17:36.210 --> 00:17:39.190
  • AND LITERALLY I TURNED AROUND,
  • 00:17:39.210 --> 00:17:41.220
  • I SAID, "ARE YOU GUYS CHRISTIANS?"
  • 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:45.110
  • AND THEY WERE LIKE YEAH.
  • 00:17:45.130 --> 00:17:46.270
  • AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE
  • 00:17:46.290 --> 00:17:48.000
  • A CHRISTIAN'S FANTASY COME TRUE.
  • 00:17:48.020 --> 00:17:49.250
  • I'M LIKE, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?
  • 00:17:49.270 --> 00:17:53.280
  • I GREW UP CATHOLIC, I DON'T REALLY KNOW,
  • 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.070
  • I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?
  • 00:17:56.090 --> 00:17:59.130
  • AND THEY TOLD ME THE GOSPEL,
  • 00:17:59.150 --> 00:18:02.010
  • THEY TOLD ME WHAT THEY BELIEVED,
  • 00:18:02.030 --> 00:18:03.160
  • AND WE HAD THIS REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION FOR LIKE AN HOUR.
  • 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:07.250
  • AND THEN IT GOT TO THE $64.000 QUESTION, AND I SAID WELL,
  • 00:18:07.270 --> 00:18:11.280
  • WHAT DOES YOUR CHURCH BELIEVE ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY?
  • 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.000
  • AND ONE OF THE GUYS WAS LIKE WELL, WE BELIEVE IT'S A SIN.
  • 00:18:15.020 --> 00:18:19.090
  • WHAT'S WEIRD ABOUT THAT MOMENT
  • 00:18:19.110 --> 00:18:20.270
  • IS LIKE A YEAR BEFORE OR FIVE YEARS BEFORE,
  • 00:18:20.290 --> 00:18:23.260
  • I WOULD'VE KINDA LIKE, THROWN MY COFFEE ON THEM,
  • 00:18:23.280 --> 00:18:26.100
  • BUT I JUST KIND OF WAS LIKE, HMM.
  • 00:18:26.120 --> 00:18:28.280
  • AND I KIND OF APPRECIATED THE FRANKNESS
  • 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.230
  • AND THEIR JUST KIND OF HONESTY ABOUT IT
  • 00:18:32.250 --> 00:18:34.240
  • INSTEAD OF BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND DODGING THE QUESTION.
  • 00:18:34.260 --> 00:18:37.170
  • SO THEY JUST WERE LIKE YEAH, WE BELIEVE THIS.
  • 00:18:37.190 --> 00:18:39.040
  • AND SO THEY INVITED ME TO COME
  • 00:18:39.060 --> 00:18:42.060
  • TO THEIR CHURCH THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY.
  • 00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:43.290
  • SO I HAD A WHOLE WEEK TO KIND OF PONDER THIS IDEA
  • 00:18:44.010 --> 00:18:47.100
  • OF GOING, I HAD NEVER BEEN TO AN EVANGELICAL CHURCH
  • 00:18:47.120 --> 00:18:49.220
  • IN MY LIFE, SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
  • 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.230
  • I HAD NO IDEA.
  • 00:18:52.250 --> 00:18:53.240
  • SO THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY, I WAKE UP,
  • 00:18:53.260 --> 00:18:57.180
  • I'M LIKE, WHAT AM I GONNA DO?
  • 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.140
  • AND I GET DRESSED, GET IN MY CAR, AND I DRIVE TO HOLLYWOOD
  • 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.230
  • TO THIS AUDITORIUM WHERE THE CHURCH IS HELD,
  • 00:19:03.250 --> 00:19:07.020
  • THE SERVICE IS HELD.
  • 00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:08.110
  • - I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY BRAVE AND KIND OF AMAZING
  • 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:11.070
  • OF YOU TO HAVE DONE THAT.
  • 00:19:11.090 --> 00:19:13.080
  • - YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS GOD KIND OF--
  • 00:19:13.100 --> 00:19:16.020
  • - WELL I'M SURE IT WAS. - SORT OF PULLING ME.
  • 00:19:16.040 --> 00:19:17.240
  • - NONETHELESS, GOD CAN'T FORCE US TO DO
  • 00:19:17.260 --> 00:19:20.190
  • WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO. - I KNOW, I KNOW.
  • 00:19:20.210 --> 00:19:21.190
  • BUT IT WAS WEIRD.
  • 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:23.260
  • IT FELT ALMOST LIKE, IT ALMOST FELT LIKE THAT, THOUGH.
  • 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:26.100
  • IT WAS LIKE, I WAS IN MY CAR
  • 00:19:26.120 --> 00:19:27.100
  • AND I'M LIKE, I GUESS I'M GOING.
  • 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:28.250
  • SO I WALK INTO THIS AUDITORIUM,
  • 00:19:28.270 --> 00:19:32.020
  • AND I'M USED TO KIND OF LIKE, STAINED GLASS WINDOWS
  • 00:19:32.040 --> 00:19:34.250
  • AND SMOKE AND BELLS AND WHISTLES FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
  • 00:19:34.270 --> 00:19:37.130
  • - AND CASSOCKS.
  • 00:19:37.150 --> 00:19:38.130
  • - AND CASSOCKS, AND SO I WALK IN
  • 00:19:38.150 --> 00:19:40.230
  • AND IT'S JUST THIS PLAIN AUDITORIUM,
  • 00:19:40.250 --> 00:19:42.230
  • VERY SPARE, AND IT WAS KIND OF REFRESHING TO ME.
  • 00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:45.190
  • I'M LIKE, OH, THIS IS KINDA NICE.
  • 00:19:45.210 --> 00:19:47.220
  • AND THEN I HEARD, THE CHRISTIAN WORSHIP BAND WAS PLAYING.
  • 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:51.270
  • SO I WALK IN, I HEAR THE CHRISTIAN MUSIC,
  • 00:19:51.290 --> 00:19:53.190
  • AND I'M LIKE OH MY GOSH, I FORGOT ABOUT CHRISTIAN MUSIC.
  • 00:19:53.210 --> 00:19:56.160
  • LIKE, UGH.
  • 00:19:56.180 --> 00:19:57.240
  • AND THEN I WAS LIKE WAIT A MINUTE, IT'S NOT BAD!
  • 00:19:57.260 --> 00:20:01.280
  • AND SO I WALKED TO, I JUST FOUND A SEAT.
  • 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.230
  • I DIDN'T MEET ANYONE THERE, I JUST WENT BY MYSELF,
  • 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:07.050
  • FOUND A SEAT NEAR THE FRONT.
  • 00:20:07.070 --> 00:20:09.200
  • THE PASTOR COMES OUT, TIM CHADDICK,
  • 00:20:09.220 --> 00:20:11.080
  • HE'S PREACHING THE GOSPEL FOR AN HOUR,
  • 00:20:11.100 --> 00:20:15.180
  • AND I'M LITERALLY, EVERYTHING HE'S SAYING,
  • 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.130
  • EVERY SENTENCE, EVERY WORD HE'S SAYING
  • 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:20.090
  • IS RESONATING AS TRUTH IN MY HEART AND IN MY MIND,
  • 00:20:20.110 --> 00:20:23.110
  • AND I DON'T KNOW WHY.
  • 00:20:23.130 --> 00:20:25.000
  • AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS GOING,
  • 00:20:25.020 --> 00:20:26.130
  • AND I'M LITERALLY ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT.
  • 00:20:26.150 --> 00:20:28.090
  • AND I DON'T WANT HIM TO LEAVE THE STAGE,
  • 00:20:28.110 --> 00:20:30.150
  • I WANT HIM TO CONTINUE PREACHING.
  • 00:20:30.170 --> 00:20:32.170
  • AND HE FINALLY LEAVES AND HE SAYS,
  • 00:20:32.190 --> 00:20:35.280
  • THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE SIDES OF THE CHURCH
  • 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.180
  • IF YOU WANT PRAYER FOR ANYTHING, BLAH BLAH BLAH,
  • 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:39.110
  • AND THE PRAYER MINISTRY, AND THEN THE WORSHIP MUSIC
  • 00:20:39.130 --> 00:20:42.090
  • COMES ON FOR ANOTHER 30 MINUTES.
  • 00:20:42.110 --> 00:20:44.260
  • SO THERE WAS THIS MOMENT, I'M LIKE,
  • 00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:47.190
  • SHOULD I GO OVER THERE AND ASK FOR A PRAYER?
  • 00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:49.250
  • IF I DO, IT'S HUMILIATING AND LIKE,
  • 00:20:49.270 --> 00:20:52.220
  • PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY WATCHING ME THAT INVITED ME HERE.
  • 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.220
  • AND I WAS LIKE WHATEVER, I'M JUST GONNA GO, I'M HERE.
  • 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:58.010
  • SO I WALK OVER TO THE SIDE, I GO UP TO THIS GUY,
  • 00:20:58.030 --> 00:21:00.200
  • AND I'M LIKE HEY, I'M HERE.
  • 00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:02.210
  • I DON'T KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT I'M HERE.
  • 00:21:02.230 --> 00:21:05.000
  • AND HE SAID, "LET ME PRAY FOR YOU."
  • 00:21:05.020 --> 00:21:07.050
  • AND HE PRAYED FOR ME AND IT WAS SO LOVELY
  • 00:21:07.070 --> 00:21:12.080
  • AND IT SEEMED REALLY INTENSE AND VERY LONG,
  • 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:15.210
  • AND HE PRAYED FOR ME, AND I WAS LIKE,
  • 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:18.070
  • HOW DOES THIS STRAIGHT DUDE LOVE ME SO MUCH?
  • 00:21:18.090 --> 00:21:21.290
  • AND IT JUST FELT VERY LOVING.
  • 00:21:22.010 --> 00:21:23.240
  • AND THEN HE FINISHED HIS PRAYER,
  • 00:21:23.260 --> 00:21:25.170
  • I WENT BACK TO MY SEAT, I'M SITTING IN MY SEAT,
  • 00:21:25.190 --> 00:21:28.020
  • THE WORSHIP MUSIC IS PLAYING FOR ANOTHER 25 MINUTES.
  • 00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:30.290
  • SO I'M SITTING IN MY SEAT PROCESSING THE SERMON,
  • 00:21:31.010 --> 00:21:34.120
  • THE PRAYER, THE MUSIC, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
  • 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:38.290
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT'S LIKE [WHOOSHES],
  • 00:21:39.010 --> 00:21:41.280
  • LIKE GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO ME IN THAT MOMENT.
  • 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.090
  • AND I WAS LIKE, WHOA!
  • 00:21:45.110 --> 00:21:46.150
  • - NOW, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
  • 00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:47.290
  • BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE LISTENING SAYING,
  • 00:21:48.010 --> 00:21:50.100
  • WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, THE HOLY SPIRIT?
  • 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:51.240
  • I MEAN, YOU MEAN YOU FELT
  • 00:21:51.260 --> 00:21:53.110
  • THE PALPABLE PRESENCE OF GOD SUDDENLY?
  • 00:21:53.130 --> 00:21:56.120
  • - YES.
  • 00:21:56.140 --> 00:21:57.130
  • AND IT WAS LIKE IN MY MIND'S EYE.
  • 00:21:57.150 --> 00:21:58.270
  • IT WAS LIKE I COULD SEE, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THE CURTAINS
  • 00:21:58.290 --> 00:22:01.200
  • HAD FINALLY PARTED AND I COULD SEE THE TRUTH,
  • 00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:04.030
  • REALITY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE.
  • 00:22:04.050 --> 00:22:06.060
  • AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH!
  • 00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:08.150
  • IT WAS LIKE ISAIAH IN THE TEMPLE
  • 00:22:08.170 --> 00:22:09.240
  • WHEN HE SEES THE HOLINESS OF GOD AND COMES UNDONE.
  • 00:22:09.260 --> 00:22:12.250
  • I CAME UNDONE.
  • 00:22:12.270 --> 00:22:14.280
  • I STARTED ABSOLUTELY BAWLING AND COULDN'T,
  • 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.180
  • UNCONTROLLABLY FOR THE NEXT 25 MINUTES,
  • 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.250
  • COULDN'T STOP CRYING, AND GOD IN THAT MOMENT
  • 00:22:20.270 --> 00:22:24.210
  • WAS LIKE, I'M GOD, JESUS IS MY SON,
  • 00:22:24.230 --> 00:22:28.050
  • HEAVEN'S REAL, HELL'S REAL, THE BIBLE'S TRUE,
  • 00:22:28.070 --> 00:22:30.130
  • YOU'RE NOW ADOPTED INTO MY KINGDOM, WELCOME.
  • 00:22:30.150 --> 00:22:33.180
  • AND I WAS JUST LIKE [GASPS], WHOA!
  • 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.000
  • AND I WAS CRYING.
  • 00:22:37.020 --> 00:22:38.100
  • I WAS CRYING NOT ONLY BECAUSE I'D JUST MET
  • 00:22:38.120 --> 00:22:40.260
  • THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE, JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:22:40.280 --> 00:22:42.120
  • BUT I WAS ALSO CRYING OVER MY SIN.
  • 00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:46.000
  • SO YEAH, SO I HAD THIS KIND OF
  • 00:22:46.020 --> 00:22:49.230
  • SUPERNATURAL ENCOUNTER WITH GOD--
  • 00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:51.240
  • - IT WASN'T KIND OF SUPERNATURAL.
  • 00:22:51.260 --> 00:22:52.240
  • - IT WAS MAJOR SUPERNATURAL.
  • 00:22:52.260 --> 00:22:54.050
  • - IT WAS DEFINITIVELY SUPERNATURAL.
  • 00:22:54.070 --> 00:22:56.020
  • - IT WAS HONESTLY, IT WAS LIKE PAUL ROAD TO DAMASCUS
  • 00:22:56.040 --> 00:22:59.080
  • KIND OF STUFF.
  • 00:22:59.100 --> 00:23:00.260
  • I MEAN, IT WAS THAT INTENSE.
  • 00:23:00.280 --> 00:23:02.010
  • - IT WAS THAT INTENSE.
  • 00:23:02.030 --> 00:23:02.270
  • - IT WAS THAT INTENSE.
  • 00:23:02.290 --> 00:23:03.270
  • - NOW, WERE THERE PEOPLE AROUND YOU
  • 00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:05.070
  • WONDERING IF YOU'RE OKAY?
  • 00:23:05.090 --> 00:23:07.040
  • - THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE
  • 00:23:07.060 --> 00:23:08.290
  • ACTUALLY GOT VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ME
  • 00:23:09.010 --> 00:23:11.040
  • BECAUSE I WAS RETCHING, I MEAN I WAS CRYING SO HARD
  • 00:23:11.060 --> 00:23:14.230
  • THAT PEOPLE WERE THOUGHT THEY NEEDED TO CALL SOMEONE.
  • 00:23:14.250 --> 00:23:19.080
  • - DID THEY USE THE PADDLES ON YOU?
  • 00:23:19.100 --> 00:23:20.290
  • - YES, YEAH THEY DID.
  • 00:23:21.010 --> 00:23:22.110
  • [ERIC EXHALES]
  • 00:23:22.130 --> 00:23:23.060
  • BUT--
  • 00:23:23.080 --> 00:23:24.010
  • - JAWS OF LIFE?
  • 00:23:24.030 --> 00:23:24.250
  • - YEAH, THE JAWS OF LIFE.
  • 00:23:24.270 --> 00:23:26.030
  • BUT IN THAT MOMENT, I ALSO KNEW SO CLEARLY,
  • 00:23:26.050 --> 00:23:30.110
  • I MEAN IT WAS LIKE EVERYTHING JUST CAME,
  • 00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:32.060
  • LIKE GOD WAS LIKE [WHOOSHES] JUST DOWNLOADED
  • 00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:35.020
  • ALL THIS STUFF ON ME.
  • 00:23:35.040 --> 00:23:36.180
  • AND I KNEW IN THAT MOMENT THAT BEING A GAY MAN
  • 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:42.150
  • WAS NO LONGER WHO I WAS, AND THAT THAT WASN'T GONNA BE
  • 00:23:42.170 --> 00:23:45.230
  • A PART OF MY LIFE ANYMORE.
  • 00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:46.210
  • I JUST KNEW INSTANTLY.
  • 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:47.280
  • - SEE, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE FIND SO HARD TO BELIEVE,
  • 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.210
  • 'CAUSE YOUR BOOK "A CHANGE OF AFFECTION:
  • 00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:51.080
  • "A GAY MAN'S INCREDIBLE STORY OF REDEMPTION."
  • 00:23:51.100 --> 00:23:53.070
  • THE INCREDIBLE PART, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE,
  • 00:23:53.090 --> 00:23:55.100
  • WHEN THEY HEAR SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE,
  • 00:23:55.120 --> 00:23:59.050
  • THEY SAY WELL THAT'S GREAT FOR YOU,
  • 00:23:59.070 --> 00:24:01.080
  • BUT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN TO ME.
  • 00:24:01.100 --> 00:24:03.170
  • BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE
  • 00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:05.130
  • TO WHOM IT COULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL IT DID.
  • 00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:08.110
  • - YEAH, I GOT HOME AND I GOT INTO BED TO TAKE A NAP
  • 00:24:08.130 --> 00:24:12.120
  • BECAUSE I WAS SO OVERWHELMED BY WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED,
  • 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:16.100
  • AND GOD, IT WAS LIKE MOSES IN THE CLEFT OF THE ROCK,
  • 00:24:16.120 --> 00:24:20.050
  • GOD DID IT AGAIN, HE JUST WAS LIKE [WHOOSHES].
  • 00:24:20.070 --> 00:24:22.110
  • - WHAT?
  • 00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:23.060
  • - AND I WAS LIKE, WHOA!
  • 00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:25.160
  • AND I JUMPED OUT OF MY BED, CRYING AGAIN,
  • 00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:28.270
  • AND I JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BEDROOM,
  • 00:24:28.290 --> 00:24:30.130
  • I WAS LIKE GOD, YOU HAVE MY WHOLE LIFE.
  • 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:33.120
  • LIKE, IT IS, THIS IS IT, AND I WAS DONE.
  • 00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:36.140
  • I WAS JUST LIKE THIS IS IT, THIS IS MY LIFE.
  • 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.260
  • I COULDN'T STOP READING THE BIBLE
  • 00:24:38.280 --> 00:24:40.290
  • AND LISTENING TO SERM, I LISTENED TO LIKE,
  • 00:24:41.010 --> 00:24:42.170
  • 20 SERMONS A DAY, I WAS OBSESSED.
  • 00:24:42.190 --> 00:24:44.240
  • - THAT'S FANATICISM. - IT'S FANATICISM.
  • 00:24:44.260 --> 00:24:47.100
  • - ANYTHING MORE THAN 18, FANATICISM.
  • 00:24:47.120 --> 00:24:49.000
  • - OR LIKE, I WOULD LISTEN TO ALL OF TIM KELLER'S OEUVRE
  • 00:24:49.020 --> 00:24:51.180
  • AND THEN LIKE ALL THESE OTHER, DICK LUCAS
  • 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.290
  • AND ALL THESE OTHER GUYS.
  • 00:24:54.010 --> 00:24:55.080
  • SO AND THEN I CONTINUED IN DOING SET DESIGN,
  • 00:24:55.100 --> 00:24:59.210
  • BUT I KNEW GOD HAD SOME KIND OF CALLING ON MY LIFE.
  • 00:24:59.230 --> 00:25:02.210
  • AND THEN A FEW YEARS LATER,
  • 00:25:02.230 --> 00:25:05.020
  • GOD PAID FOR SEMINARY FOR FOUR YEARS
  • 00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:07.140
  • AND THAT WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.120
  • AND THEN I WROTE, WHILE I WAS IN SEMINARY I WROTE THE BOOK,
  • 00:25:11.140 --> 00:25:15.040
  • AND HERE WE ARE.
  • 00:25:15.060 --> 00:25:16.200
  • - THANK YOU FOR WRITING THIS BOOK.
  • 00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:18.120
  • THANK YOU FOR LIVING YOUR LIFE.
  • 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:19.180
  • THE BOOK IS "A CHANGE OF AFFECTION."
  • 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.000
  • BECKET COOK IS THE AUTHOR, AND BECKET, REALLY,
  • 00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:25.240
  • JUST A JOY TO GET TO KNOW YOU.
  • 00:25:25.260 --> 00:25:27.190
  • THANKS FOR COMING ON.
  • 00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:28.140
  • - THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
  • 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:29.110
  • [ENERGETIC MUSIC]
  • 00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:32.170
  • [UPBEAT MUSIC]
  • 00:25:32.190 --> 00:25:41.030
  • - HE SAYS THAT MY PROMISES TO YOU
  • 00:25:41.050 --> 00:25:43.060
  • TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, ARE EVERLASTING.
  • 00:25:43.080 --> 00:25:46.120
  • WHAT PART OF EVERLASTING DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
  • 00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:48.200
  • [ERIC LAUGHS]
  • 00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:49.230
  • - WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW BIG THEY ARE
  • 00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:51.290
  • AND HOW STRONG THEY ARE AND HOW FAST,
  • 00:25:52.010 --> 00:25:53.230
  • BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA FIND OUT ABOUT THEM AS INTERNAL PEOPLE.
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  • [ENERGETIC MUSIC]
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