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November 8, 2019
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: FOLKS, IT'S
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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  • I'M SO EXCITED RIGHT NOW.
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  • CAN YOU SEE IT ON MY FACE?
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  • CAN YOU SEE IT IN MY HAIR,
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  • EVERY PART OF ME?
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  • I'M JUST EXCITED BECAUSE I'M
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  • SITTING HERE IN THE STUDIO WITH
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  • ANNE GRAHAM LOTZ.
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  • HERE YOU ARE.
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  • WELCOME TO NEW YORK.
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  • - ANNE GRAHAM LOTZ: SO GLAD
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  • TO BE HERE FACE-TO-FACE.
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  • I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU
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  • ABOUT ANYTHING.
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  • - ERIC: IT IS A WONDERFUL
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  • THING.
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  • WELL, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT
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  • YOUR BOOK WITH WHICH
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  • HAVING SEEN IT IN ADVANCE, BUT
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  • FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING
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  • ABOUT YOU, I HAVE TO WARN THEM
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  • THAT YOU'RE NOT ONLY THE
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  • DAUGHTER OF MY HERO,
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  • BILLY GRAHAM,
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  • BUT HE, ONE OF THE GREATEST
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  • PREACHERS IN HISTORY,
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  • JUST TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU,
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  • HE SAID THAT YOU, IN FACT,
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  • WERE THE BEST PREACHER
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  • IN THE FAMILY.
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  • I KNOW BECAUSE YOU, THE GRAHAM
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  • CLAN, YOU'RE ALL SO HUMBLE THAT
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  • IT MUST PAIN YOU FOR ME
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  • TO SAY THAT.
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  • I KNOW THAT, AND IT GIVES ME
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  • DELIGHT TO SEE YOU SQUIRM
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  • BECAUSE IT'S TRUE,
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  • AND YOU KNOW IT.
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  • - ANNE: NO, IT'S NOT TRUE.
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  • THAT WAS MY FATHER'S WAY OF
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  • BLESSING ME, ERIC.
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  • SO, YOU KNOW, HE CAME FROM A
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  • DENOMINATION THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE
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  • ARE FUSSING ABOUT WOMEN IN
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  • MINISTRY AND WOMEN PREACHERS,
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  • AND THEY DON'T EVEN WANNA USE
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  • THAT TERM, AND IT WAS DADDY'S
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  • WAY OF JUST PUTTING HIS HAND ON
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  • ME AND SAYING, "MY DAUGHTER IS A
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  • GREAT PREACHER."
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  • NOBODY IS BETTER THAN DADDY.
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  • IF YOU JUDGE GREAT PREACHING BY
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  • THE RESPONSE TO IT, THERE'S
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  • NOBODY, UNLESS IT'S THE APOSTLE
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  • PAUL, YOU KNOW, NOBODY BETTER
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  • THAN DADDY, AND SO THAT WASN'T
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  • AN ISSUE, BUT IT WAS HIS
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  • BEAUTIFUL WAY OF GIVING
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  • ME HIS BLESSING.
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  • - ERIC: WOW.
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  • - ANNE: YEAH.
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  • - ERIC: IF MY DAUGHTER EVER
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  • PREACHES, I'M GONNA KEEP THAT IN
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  • MIND BECAUSE THAT'S GREAT.
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  • IT'S SO SWEET.
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  • BUT YOU DO A LOT OF SPEAKING,
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  • AND I THINK-- LISTEN, I TEASE
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  • PEOPLE.
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  • YOU HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.
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  • YOU HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL
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  • AMERICAN, NORTH CAROLINA ACCENT,
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  • AND WHEN YOU SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IF
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  • SOMEBODY WAS SAYING THE SAME
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  • WORDS AS YOU OR YOUR FATHER, AND
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  • THEY GREW UP IN BROOKLYN, IT
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  • REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME
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  • EFFECT, SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT YOU
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  • HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE?
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  • - ANNE: WELL, I SPEAK NORMAL.
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ERIC: YOU SPEAK NORMAL?
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  • YOU SPEAK NORMAL, ALL RIGHT.
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  • NOW, LISTEN, A LOT TO TALK
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  • ABOUT.
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  • FIRST OF ALL, YOU'VE BEEN ILL,
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  • AND YOU SEEM JUST TERRIFIC RIGHT
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  • NOW.
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  • DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT
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  • THAT 'CAUSE I KNOW SO MANY
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  • PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE FOLLOWED
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  • YOU AND YOUR ILLNESS, AND THEY
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  • WANNA KNOW HOW ARE YOU.
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  • - ANNE: WELL, AND I WOULD LOVE
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  • TO THANK ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO
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  • FOLLOWED ME AND PRAYED FOR ME,
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  • JUST THANK THEM.
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  • WHEN I FIRST WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
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  • CANCER, I FELT GOD GAVE ME THAT
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  • PROMISE FROM JAMES 5 THAT THE
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  • PRAYERS OF OTHERS-- YOU'LL BE
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  • HEALED THROUGH THE PRAYERS OF
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  • OTHERS, AND SO I JUST SENT OUT
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  • WORD ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW,
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  • "I'VE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST
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  • CANCER.
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  • WOULD YOU PLEASE PRAY FOR ME?"
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  • AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, ERIC,
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  • AROUND THE WORLD, RESPONDED WITH
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  • E-MAIL, TEXT, NOTES, YOU KNOW,
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  • AND JUST OUTPOURING OF PRAYER,
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  • AND THEY DIDN'T STOP.
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  • I'M STILL GETTING NOTES AND
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  • E-MAILS, PEOPLE STILL PRAYING ME
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  • THROUGH, SO I KNOW-- I JUST WANT
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  • TO THANK ALL THOSE PEOPLE FOR
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  • THEIR PRAYERS, AND OUR GOD IS A
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  • PRAYER-HEARING,
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  • PRAYER-ANSWERING,
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  • MIRACLE-WORKING,
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  • COVENANT-KEEPING GOD.
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  • YOU KNOW, I'M SO THANKFUL.
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  • - ERIC: YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT A
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  • PENTECOSTAL?
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  • [LAUGHTER]
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  • - ANNE: I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW
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  • WHAT THAT IS, BUT I CERTAINLY
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  • KNOW AND LOVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
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  • AND--
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  • - ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE, I JOKE
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  • AROUND BECAUSE I THINK THAT
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  • THESE TERMS ARE SO SILLY WHEN
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  • SOMEBODY SAYS, "ARE YOU
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  • PENTECOSTAL?"
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  • "WELL, I'M A CHRISTIAN," AND IF
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  • I'M A CHRISTIAN, I WANNA BELIEVE
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  • WHATEVER IS TRUE BECAUSE GOD IS
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  • THE GOD OF REALITY.
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  • SO THE GOD OF HEALING, TO ME,
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  • THAT'S WHO GOD IS.
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  • - ANNE: OF COURSE.
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  • - ERIC: SO THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE
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  • SAY, "WELL, THAT'S NOT FOR
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  • TODAY," WELL, I THINK, "WHAT
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  • DEAD GOD ARE YOU WORSHIPING?"
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  • - ANNE: EXACTLY.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, LET ME ASK YOU
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  • THOUGH 'CAUSE THIS BOOK REALLY
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  • IS ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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  • THE TITLE OF YOUR NEW BOOK,
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  • "JESUS IN ME: EXPERIENCING THE
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  • HOLY SPIRIT AS A CONSTANT
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  • COMPANION"-- TO TALK ABOUT THE
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  • HOLY SPIRIT IN SOME CIRCLES OF
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  • EVANGELICALISM MAKES PEOPLE
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  • SLIGHTLY UNCOMFORTABLE.
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  • THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE
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  • TRINITY-- LET'S FACE IT-- AND
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  • WHICH IS BAD BECAUSE IT'S-- I
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  • THINK THE TRINITY-- I THINK IT'S
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  • IN THE NICENE CREED, SO IT'S
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  • KIND OF AN OLD CONCEPT, RIGHT?
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  • - ANNE: IT'S A BIBLICAL.
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  • - ERIC: IT'S A BIBLICAL CONCEPT
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  • BUT-- SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKIN'
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  • ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT OR YOU'RE
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  • TALKING ABOUT BEING HEALED, OR
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  • YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LORD
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  • TELLING YOU SOMETHING, YOU JUST
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  • SAID THAT, WHEN YOU WERE FIRST
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  • DIAGNOSED, THE LORD SAID TO YOU
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  • THAT HE WAS--
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  • - ANNE: HE SPOKE TO ME FROM HIS
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  • WORD.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY.
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  • - ANNE: SO IT'S FROM HIS WORD.
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  • - ERIC: OKAY, SO JUST IN CASE
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  • ANYBODY THINKS YOU'VE GONE OFF
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  • THE RESERVATION, HE SPOKE TO YOU
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  • FROM HIS WORD.
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  • BUT THE POINT IS THAT, WHEN YOU
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  • SAY HE SPOKE TO YOU FROM HIS
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  • WORD-- AND YOU KNOW WE'RE ON THE
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  • SAME PAGE HERE, BUT I WANT IT TO
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  • BE CLEAR FOR PEOPLE 'CAUSE THERE
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  • ARE PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS
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  • PROGRAM WHO'VE NEVER HEARD FROM
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  • GOD.
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  • THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO
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  • THESE PROGRAMS.
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  • THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE
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  • AND STUFF, SO WE'RE COVERING A
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  • LOT OF TERRITORY, BUT THE REAL
  • 00:04:58.200 --> 00:04:59.210
  • ISSUE IS THAT BOTH OF US BELIEVE
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  • THAT GOD CAN SPEAK TO US AND
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  • THAT, IF HE DOES, IF IT IS GOD,
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  • IT WILL NEVER CONTRADICT THE
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  • BIBLE, OF COURSE, BUT, SO, WHEN
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  • YOU SAY THE LORD SPOKE TO YOU
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  • ABOUT YOUR HEALING BEFORE YOU
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  • WERE HEALED, HOW DOES THAT
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  • HAPPEN FOR YOU?
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  • 'CAUSE IT HAPPENS DIFFERENTLY
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  • FOR EVERYBODY.
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  • - ANNE: WELL, FOR ME, HE SPEAKS
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  • THROUGH HIS WORD, SO I WAS
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  • DIAGNOSED ON A FRIDAY.
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  • SATURDAY MORNING, I OPENED UP MY
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  • OR OPENED A DEVOTIONAL,
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  • ACTUALLY, AND AT THE TOP OF THE
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  • PAGE WAS THE VERSE FROM JAMES 5,
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  • THAT THE PRAYERS-- "PRAY FOR ONE
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  • ANOTHER THAT YOU WOULD BE
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  • HEALED," AND IT JUST POPPED UP
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  • OFF THE PAGE.
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  • IT'S LIKE THE OLD-TIMEY PEOPLE
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  • "IT'S ILLUMINATED," YOU KNOW,
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  • AND I FELT THAT GOD WAS SAYING,
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  • "ANNE IT'S THROUGH THE PRAYERS
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  • OF OTHERS THAT YOU WILL BE
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  • HEALED," AND SO I FELT LIKE HE
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  • WAS IMPRESSING ON MY HEART,
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  • "ASK PEOPLE TO PRAY FOR YOU."
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  • AND, YOU KNOW,
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  • THERE'S SOME WOMEN THAT
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  • I KNOW, WHO HAVE BEEN
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  • DIAGNOSED WITH THIS KIND OF
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  • CANCER, AND THEY DON'T TELL
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  • ANYBODY.
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  • IT'S A SECRET.
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  • THEY SLIP IN AND OUT OF THE
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  • DOCTORS' OFFICES.
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  • THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO KNOW.
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  • I HAVE ONE FRIEND WHO DIDN'T
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  • EVEN TELL HER CHILDREN.
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  • SHE WENT TO ANOTHER STATE TO
  • 00:05:57.050 --> 00:05:58.020
  • DIE-- NEVER TOLD HER CHILDREN,
  • 00:05:58.020 --> 00:05:59.200
  • AND SO I JUST DECIDED TO LAY IT
  • 00:05:59.200 --> 00:06:01.230
  • OUT THERE AND JUST LET PEOPLE GO
  • 00:06:01.230 --> 00:06:03.160
  • THROUGH MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH
  • 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:04.240
  • SOCIAL MEDIA, AND I FELT LIKE,
  • 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.250
  • "IF GOD WAS SUFFICIENT FOR ME, I
  • 00:06:05.250 --> 00:06:07.170
  • WANTED THEM TO SEE THAT.
  • 00:06:07.170 --> 00:06:08.280
  • IF FOR SOME REASON, HE WASN'T,
  • 00:06:08.280 --> 00:06:10.180
  • THEN HE LET ME DOWN, THEN THEY
  • 00:06:10.180 --> 00:06:11.270
  • WOULD JUST SEE THAT," YOU KNOW,
  • 00:06:11.270 --> 00:06:12.270
  • SO IT WAS LIKE AN ADVENTURE OF
  • 00:06:12.270 --> 00:06:14.010
  • SEEING WHAT GOD COULD DO IN AND
  • 00:06:14.010 --> 00:06:16.050
  • THROUGH ME IF I WOULD JUST LET
  • 00:06:16.050 --> 00:06:17.040
  • PEOPLE IN ON THE STORY, SO I
  • 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:18.050
  • DID.
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  • - ERIC: WELL, I'M SO GLAD YOU
  • 00:06:19.230 --> 00:06:20.270
  • DID BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED MORE
  • 00:06:20.270 --> 00:06:22.120
  • MODELS OF CHRISTIAN LIVING OUT
  • 00:06:23.050 --> 00:06:26.050
  • THERE, AND FOR YOU TO PUT THAT
  • 00:06:26.050 --> 00:06:27.240
  • OUT THERE AND TO INVITE PEOPLE
  • 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.240
  • INTO YOUR JOURNEY, IT'S REALLY A
  • 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.220
  • SELF-SACRIFICIAL THING.
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  • IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.
  • 00:06:33.260 --> 00:06:35.120
  • BUT IT'S JUST SO INTERESTING TO
  • 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:36.220
  • ME-- I'VE HEARD FROM THE LORD IN
  • 00:06:36.220 --> 00:06:37.270
  • DIFFERENT WAYS.
  • 00:06:37.270 --> 00:06:39.050
  • HAVE YOU HEARD-- 'CAUSE THE BOOK
  • 00:06:39.050 --> 00:06:40.060
  • IS ABOUT, OF COURSE,
  • 00:06:40.060 --> 00:06:40.280
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:06:40.280 --> 00:06:41.240
  • HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THE LORD IN
  • 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:42.180
  • OTHER WAYS THAT YOU'RE WILLING
  • 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:46.160
  • TO SHARE?
  • 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.010
  • BECAUSE YOU'VE WALKED WITH THE
  • 00:06:48.010 --> 00:06:48.270
  • LORD VERY CLOSELY FOR A LONG
  • 00:06:48.270 --> 00:06:49.210
  • TIME.
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  • - ANNE: SURE, I'LL GIVE YOU
  • 00:06:50.060 --> 00:06:51.150
  • ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT RELATES TO
  • 00:06:51.150 --> 00:06:52.290
  • WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
  • 00:06:52.290 --> 00:06:55.090
  • AFTER I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
  • 00:06:55.090 --> 00:06:56.000
  • CANCER, I WENT THROUGH SURGERY
  • 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.290
  • AND THEN WENT THROUGH
  • 00:06:57.290 --> 00:06:59.080
  • CHEMOTHERAPY, AND AFTER MY FIFTH
  • 00:06:59.080 --> 00:07:01.110
  • SESSION OF CHEMOTHERAPY-- IT WAS
  • 00:07:01.110 --> 00:07:02.280
  • ONCE EVERY THREE WEEKS-- THE
  • 00:07:02.280 --> 00:07:04.080
  • SIDE EFFECTS WERE SO HORRIFIC, I
  • 00:07:04.080 --> 00:07:06.020
  • DIDN'T THINK I COULD GO THROUGH
  • 00:07:06.020 --> 00:07:07.160
  • ANY MORE, AND I WANTED TO QUIT.
  • 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:08.210
  • SO I HAD MY TWO DAUGHTERS WITH
  • 00:07:08.210 --> 00:07:10.170
  • ME, AND WE WERE PRAYING, AND I
  • 00:07:10.170 --> 00:07:13.120
  • SAID, "GOD, CAN I QUIT?
  • 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.060
  • I JUST CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE."
  • 00:07:14.060 --> 00:07:15.010
  • AND SO HE BROUGHT TO MY MIND
  • 00:07:15.010 --> 00:07:16.130
  • THAT I WAS HEALED.
  • 00:07:16.130 --> 00:07:18.110
  • I JUST FELT LIKE IT, SO IT
  • 00:07:18.110 --> 00:07:19.000
  • WASN'T A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE,
  • 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:20.080
  • MAYBE, BUT I KNEW THAT THE LORD
  • 00:07:20.080 --> 00:07:22.010
  • WAS SPEAKING, THAT I WAS HEALED.
  • 00:07:22.010 --> 00:07:23.140
  • SO I GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING.
  • 00:07:23.140 --> 00:07:24.200
  • I SAID, "ALL RIGHT, IF I'M
  • 00:07:24.200 --> 00:07:25.130
  • HEALED, CAN I QUIT?
  • 00:07:25.130 --> 00:07:27.010
  • CAN I JUST CLAIM IT BY FAITH AND
  • 00:07:27.010 --> 00:07:28.000
  • TELL EVERYBODY, 'I'VE BEEN
  • 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:29.010
  • HEALED,' AND JUST WALK AWAY FROM
  • 00:07:29.010 --> 00:07:29.250
  • CHEMO?"
  • 00:07:29.250 --> 00:07:30.090
  • AND I SAID-- I WANTED HIM TO
  • 00:07:30.090 --> 00:07:32.120
  • ANSWER THAT, BUT I SAID, "I WANT
  • 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:33.210
  • YOU TO SPEAK THROUGH YOUR WORD
  • 00:07:33.210 --> 00:07:35.040
  • 'CAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO QUIT
  • 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:35.280
  • CHEMO ON AN IMPRESSION OR ON A
  • 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:37.270
  • THOUGHT," YOU KNOW?
  • 00:07:37.270 --> 00:07:38.270
  • AND SO MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS
  • 00:07:38.270 --> 00:07:40.220
  • COMING TO VISIT, AND SHE WAS
  • 00:07:40.220 --> 00:07:42.030
  • SHARING WITH ME WHAT SHE WAS
  • 00:07:42.030 --> 00:07:43.110
  • TEACHING IN HER BIBLE STUDY, AND
  • 00:07:43.110 --> 00:07:44.230
  • IT WAS FROM 2 KINGS CHAPTER 5,
  • 00:07:44.230 --> 00:07:46.070
  • WHEN NAAMAN, THE SYRIAN GENERAL
  • 00:07:46.070 --> 00:07:48.140
  • CAME TO ELISHA, AND ELISHA SAID,
  • 00:07:48.140 --> 00:07:49.240
  • "IF YOU'LL GO DIP IN THE JORDAN
  • 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.100
  • RIVER SEVEN TIMES, YOU'LL BE
  • 00:07:51.100 --> 00:07:52.150
  • HEALED," AND NAAMAN SAID, "I
  • 00:07:52.150 --> 00:07:53.210
  • DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
  • 00:07:53.210 --> 00:07:54.250
  • IT'S DIRTY, AND WE'VE GOT BETTER
  • 00:07:54.250 --> 00:07:55.190
  • RIVERS IN SYRIA," AND ELISHA
  • 00:07:55.190 --> 00:07:56.170
  • SAID, "IF YOU DIP SEVEN TIMES,
  • 00:07:56.170 --> 00:07:57.240
  • YOU'LL BE HEALED." AND HE DID,
  • 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.090
  • AND HE WAS, AND THAT VERSE
  • 00:07:59.090 --> 00:08:01.290
  • LEAPED UP OFF THE PAGE BECAUSE I
  • 00:08:01.290 --> 00:08:04.070
  • HAD TWO MORE SESSIONS TO GO.
  • 00:08:04.070 --> 00:08:05.030
  • I HAD SEVEN SESSIONS ALL
  • 00:08:05.030 --> 00:08:06.170
  • TOGETHER IN CHEMOTHERAPY, AND I
  • 00:08:06.170 --> 00:08:07.210
  • FELT GOD WAS SAYING, "ANNE
  • 00:08:07.210 --> 00:08:08.280
  • YOU'RE HEALED, BUT YOU NEED TO
  • 00:08:08.280 --> 00:08:10.120
  • GO THROUGH YOUR SEVEN CHEMO
  • 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:12.160
  • TREATMENTS."
  • 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:13.220
  • YOU KNOW, "YOU NEED TO GO
  • 00:08:13.220 --> 00:08:14.110
  • DIP IN THE JORDAN SEVEN TIMES."
  • 00:08:14.110 --> 00:08:15.030
  • AND I DID, AND THEN
  • 00:08:15.030 --> 00:08:16.030
  • I HAD FOLLOW-UP RADIATION
  • 00:08:16.030 --> 00:08:17.160
  • BECAUSE I THOUGHT GOD ALSO TOLD
  • 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.130
  • ME I WAS TO DO WHAT THE
  • 00:08:18.130 --> 00:08:20.070
  • DOCTOR SAID.
  • 00:08:20.070 --> 00:08:22.000
  • AND SO I BELIEVE I'M HEALED, BUT
  • 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:23.000
  • CAN I JUST SAY, ERIC, THAT
  • 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.210
  • THERE'S A PHYSICAL HEALING,
  • 00:08:24.210 --> 00:08:25.230
  • WHICH I BELIEVE GOD HAS
  • 00:08:25.230 --> 00:08:26.240
  • BUT IF I'M DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER
  • 00:08:29.250 --> 00:08:30.180
  • AGAIN NEXT WEEK, IF IT COMES
  • 00:08:30.180 --> 00:08:32.200
  • BACK ON ME LIKE IT JUST HAS COME
  • 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:33.120
  • AND THEN THERE'S A GREATER
  • 00:08:35.190 --> 00:08:37.110
  • HEALING, AND IT'S THE
  • 00:08:37.110 --> 00:08:38.200
  • RESURRECTION, AND HE'LL TAKE ME
  • 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.280
  • HOME, AND I AM SO READY TO GO
  • 00:08:39.280 --> 00:08:41.290
  • HOME, SO READY TO GO SEE JESUS,
  • 00:08:41.290 --> 00:08:43.070
  • SO READY TO SEE MY HUSBAND AND
  • 00:08:43.070 --> 00:08:44.080
  • MY PARENTS, AND IF THAT'S WHAT
  • 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.040
  • GOD CALLS ME TO, SO BE IT, AND
  • 00:08:46.040 --> 00:08:47.170
  • IF HE LEAVES ME HERE, I WANT TO
  • 00:08:47.170 --> 00:08:48.240
  • HAVE MORE FRUITFUL LABOR FOR
  • 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.230
  • HIM, ACCORDING TO PHILIPPIANS 1
  • 00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:51.290
  • SO--
  • 00:08:51.290 --> 00:08:53.110
  • - ERIC: WELL, I CAN THINK OF SO
  • 00:08:53.110 --> 00:08:54.040
  • MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING
  • 00:08:54.040 --> 00:08:55.020
  • RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:08:55.020 --> 00:08:55.140
  • I KNOW THERE ARE TONS OF FOLKS
  • 00:08:55.140 --> 00:08:57.070
  • WHO LISTEN TO THIS PROGRAM, AND
  • 00:08:57.070 --> 00:08:58.110
  • THEY DON'T HAVE THE FAITH THAT
  • 00:08:58.110 --> 00:08:59.240
  • YOU DO OR THAT I DO, AND I THINK
  • 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.180
  • THEY NEED TO HEAR WHAT YOU JUST
  • 00:09:01.180 --> 00:09:04.030
  • SAID, AND I THINK A LOT OF
  • 00:09:04.030 --> 00:09:05.160
  • PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE
  • 00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:06.250
  • CHRISTIANS NEED TO HEAR THIS.
  • 00:09:06.250 --> 00:09:09.120
  • "IF YOU DON'T REALLY BELIEVE
  • 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:10.240
  • THAT JESUS DEFEATED DEATH ON THE
  • 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.080
  • CROSS, THAT'S FOR YOU."
  • 00:09:13.040 --> 00:09:16.040
  • THE IDEA OF PEOPLE ACT LIKE,
  • 00:09:16.040 --> 00:09:17.260
  • "WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:09:17.260 --> 00:09:18.290
  • I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE
  • 00:09:18.290 --> 00:09:20.070
  • THAT KIND OF FAITH.
  • 00:09:20.070 --> 00:09:20.260
  • I WANNA BELIEVE IT--" BUT I
  • 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:22.110
  • WOULD SAY, AND YOU'VE JUST SAID
  • 00:09:22.110 --> 00:09:24.060
  • THAT, "LOOK, IT'S TRUE, AND IF
  • 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:25.230
  • YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, YOU'RE
  • 00:09:25.230 --> 00:09:27.180
  • SORT OF HURTING GOD'S FEELINGS
  • 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:30.200
  • BECAUSE HE WANTS US TO LIVE IN
  • 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.240
  • THAT KIND OF HOPE AND JOY THAT
  • 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.190
  • WE DO NOT FEAR DEATH, THAT WE
  • 00:09:35.190 --> 00:09:37.120
  • KNOW HE REALLY GENUINELY HAS
  • 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.020
  • DEFEATED DEATH, THAT THIS IS NOT
  • 00:09:39.020 --> 00:09:41.210
  • A METAPHOR; IT'S NOT A NICE
  • 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:43.010
  • IDEA.
  • 00:09:43.010 --> 00:09:44.030
  • IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.
  • 00:09:44.030 --> 00:09:46.060
  • - ANNE: DEATH IS JUST PASSING
  • 00:09:46.060 --> 00:09:46.290
  • FROM FAITH TO SIGHT.
  • 00:09:46.290 --> 00:09:48.100
  • DEATH IS JUST CLOSING YOUR EYES
  • 00:09:48.100 --> 00:09:49.210
  • TO THIS LIFE AND OPENING THEM TO
  • 00:09:49.210 --> 00:09:50.180
  • THE FACE OF JESUS.
  • 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:51.200
  • YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AFRAID ABOUT--
  • 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:53.000
  • I DON'T WANNA GO INTO THE
  • 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.060
  • HOSPITAL WITH ALL THE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:09:54.060 --> 00:09:56.000
  • NEEDLES AND THE THINGS THAT YOU
  • 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.110
  • GO THROUGH SOMETIMES AND THE
  • 00:09:57.110 --> 00:09:58.290
  • PAIN, BUT DEATH ITSELF IS
  • 00:09:58.290 --> 00:10:00.190
  • SOMETHING THAT-- THE BIBLE TELLS
  • 00:10:00.190 --> 00:10:02.120
  • US, "TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY
  • 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:03.290
  • IS TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD,"
  • 00:10:03.290 --> 00:10:04.270
  • AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING
  • 00:10:04.270 --> 00:10:06.100
  • ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:07.070
  • HE OPENS OUR MINDS AND HELPS US
  • 00:10:07.070 --> 00:10:09.260
  • TO UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURE, SO
  • 00:10:09.260 --> 00:10:11.260
  • MY FAITH IS ROOTED IN GOD'S
  • 00:10:11.260 --> 00:10:13.060
  • WORD, SO IT'S NOT IN A FEELING,
  • 00:10:13.060 --> 00:10:14.110
  • IT'S NOT MY CIRCUMSTANCES.
  • 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:16.050
  • I PUT MY FAITH DOWN IN GOD'S
  • 00:10:16.050 --> 00:10:17.130
  • WORD.
  • 00:10:17.130 --> 00:10:18.170
  • SO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, YOU
  • 00:10:18.170 --> 00:10:19.290
  • KNOW, MY HUSBAND WENT TO HEAVEN
  • 00:10:19.290 --> 00:10:21.070
  • FOUR YEARS AGO.
  • 00:10:21.070 --> 00:10:21.290
  • I FOUND HIM UNRESPONSIVE IN OUR
  • 00:10:21.290 --> 00:10:23.020
  • POOL.
  • 00:10:23.020 --> 00:10:24.230
  • TOOK HIM TO EMS-- OR THE
  • 00:10:24.230 --> 00:10:25.280
  • HOSPITAL.
  • 00:10:25.280 --> 00:10:26.120
  • TWO DAYS LATER, WE RELEASED HIM
  • 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:27.160
  • FROM LIFE SUPPORT, AND HE WENT
  • 00:10:27.160 --> 00:10:28.170
  • TO HEAVEN.
  • 00:10:28.170 --> 00:10:29.080
  • THREE YEARS LATER, MY FATHER
  • 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:30.180
  • WENT TO HEAVEN, AND THEN SIX
  • 00:10:30.180 --> 00:10:31.290
  • MONTHS AFTER THAT, I WAS
  • 00:10:31.290 --> 00:10:33.150
  • DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER,
  • 00:10:33.150 --> 00:10:34.220
  • AND THROUGH IT ALL, THE HOLY
  • 00:10:34.220 --> 00:10:36.070
  • SPIRIT HAS BEEN PRESENT AND
  • 00:10:36.070 --> 00:10:38.150
  • GIVIN' ME AN UNDERSTANDING OF
  • 00:10:38.150 --> 00:10:40.070
  • THE SCRIPTURES AND A RICHNESS IN
  • 00:10:40.070 --> 00:10:42.110
  • MY RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, BUT I
  • 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:44.180
  • HAD TO DRAW ON THE FAITH THAT
  • 00:10:44.180 --> 00:10:46.140
  • I'VE BEEN DEVELOPING ALL MY
  • 00:10:46.140 --> 00:10:48.170
  • LIFE, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD
  • 00:10:48.170 --> 00:10:49.230
  • LIKE TO SAY TO YOUR VIEWERS.
  • 00:10:49.230 --> 00:10:50.180
  • - ERIC: HANG ON.
  • 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:51.040
  • BEFORE YOU SAY IT, WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:52.210
  • GO TO A BREAK, AND WE'RE GONNA
  • 00:10:52.210 --> 00:10:53.170
  • COME RIGHT BACK.
  • 00:10:53.170 --> 00:10:54.220
  • FOLKS, DON'T GO AWAY.
  • 00:10:54.220 --> 00:10:57.180
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:10:58.110 --> 00:11:01.130
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:11:02.090 --> 00:11:05.090
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS, IT'S
  • 00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:06.020
  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
  • 00:11:06.020 --> 00:11:06.200
  • I'M JUST OVERJOYED
  • 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:07.090
  • TO BE SITTING HERE
  • 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:08.150
  • WITH ANNE GRAHAM LOTZ.
  • 00:11:08.150 --> 00:11:10.000
  • THE NEW BOOK IS "JESUS IN ME:
  • 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.030
  • EXPERIENCING THE HOLY SPIRIT AS
  • 00:11:12.030 --> 00:11:13.040
  • A CONSTANT COMPANION."
  • 00:11:13.060 --> 00:11:16.060
  • WHAT AN IDEA.
  • 00:11:16.060 --> 00:11:17.070
  • ANNE, YOU WERE JUST MAKING AN
  • 00:11:17.070 --> 00:11:18.090
  • IMPORTANT POINT.
  • 00:11:18.090 --> 00:11:19.050
  • I WANT YOU TO LEAP IN AND MAKE
  • 00:11:19.050 --> 00:11:20.050
  • - ANNE: WELL, IT'S THIS--
  • 00:11:22.210 --> 00:11:23.130
  • BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:24.100
  • SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A
  • 00:11:24.100 --> 00:11:25.070
  • STRONG FAITH AND SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:11:25.070 --> 00:11:25.270
  • THAT AREN'T SURE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:25.270 --> 00:11:27.020
  • ABOUT DEATH AND ALL THAT, AND SO
  • 00:11:27.020 --> 00:11:28.110
  • I'D JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
  • 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:29.240
  • AND YOU ESTABLISH YOUR
  • 00:11:33.020 --> 00:11:34.040
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD WHEN YOU
  • 00:11:34.040 --> 00:11:35.010
  • COME BY FAITH TO THE CROSS AND
  • 00:11:35.010 --> 00:11:35.280
  • YOU TELL GOD YOU'RE SORRY,
  • 00:11:35.280 --> 00:11:37.090
  • YOU'RE A SINNER, AND YOU'RE
  • 00:11:37.090 --> 00:11:38.270
  • SORRY, AND YOU'RE WILLING TO
  • 00:11:38.270 --> 00:11:39.280
  • TURN FROM YOUR SIN, AND YOU ASK
  • 00:11:39.280 --> 00:11:40.290
  • GOD TO FORGIVE YOU IN
  • 00:11:40.290 --> 00:11:42.260
  • JESUS' NAME.
  • 00:11:42.260 --> 00:11:43.220
  • ASK HIM TO CLEANSE YOU WITH HIS
  • 00:11:43.220 --> 00:11:44.270
  • BLOOD, AND HIS BLOOD MAKES
  • 00:11:44.270 --> 00:11:47.010
  • ATONEMENT FOR OUR SIN, AND THEN
  • 00:11:47.010 --> 00:11:48.040
  • WE ASK HIM TO GIVE US ETERNAL
  • 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:49.200
  • LIFE, WHICH HE WILL.
  • 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.230
  • HE SAYS IF WE ASK AND WE OPEN UP
  • 00:11:50.230 --> 00:11:52.240
  • OUR HEARTS AND INVITE HIM TO
  • 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.040
  • COME INSIDE OF US, HE COMES IN.
  • 00:11:55.040 --> 00:11:56.020
  • JESUS ISN'T A MAN'S BODY UP IN
  • 00:11:56.020 --> 00:11:58.080
  • HEAVEN GETTING READY TO COME
  • 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:59.000
  • BACK AND RULE THE WORLD, BUT HE
  • 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.280
  • COMES INTO US IN THE PERSON OF
  • 00:12:00.280 --> 00:12:02.230
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WHEN THE
  • 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:04.020
  • HOLY SPIRIT COMES IN, THEN WE
  • 00:12:04.020 --> 00:12:04.270
  • NEED TO START DEVELOPING
  • 00:12:04.270 --> 00:12:05.250
  • THAT RELATIONSHIP.
  • 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:06.270
  • WE HAVE IT, WE POSSESS IT, BUT
  • 00:12:06.270 --> 00:12:08.120
  • WE NEED TO WORK ON IT LIKE WE
  • 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.130
  • WOULD WITH A SPOUSE OR A FRIEND,
  • 00:12:10.130 --> 00:12:12.010
  • AND JUST SPEND TIME WITH HIM.
  • 00:12:12.010 --> 00:12:14.020
  • BUT I CHALLENGE PEOPLE TO NOT
  • 00:12:14.020 --> 00:12:15.220
  • WAIT TILL A CRISIS.
  • 00:12:15.220 --> 00:12:16.290
  • DON'T WAIT TILL YOUR HUSBAND--
  • 00:12:16.290 --> 00:12:18.070
  • YOU FIND HIM UNRESPONSIVE.
  • 00:12:18.070 --> 00:12:20.080
  • DON'T WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE
  • 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:21.140
  • DIAGNOSED WITH A DISEASE.
  • 00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:22.160
  • RIGHT NOW, YOU START DEVELOPING
  • 00:12:22.160 --> 00:12:23.170
  • THAT RELATIONSHIP AND YOUR FAITH
  • 00:12:23.170 --> 00:12:25.230
  • BECAUSE THEN, WHEN SOMETHING BAD
  • 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:27.190
  • HAPPENS, YOU CAN DRAW ON THAT
  • 00:12:27.190 --> 00:12:29.060
  • FOUNDATION OF FAITH.
  • 00:12:29.060 --> 00:12:31.220
  • IF YOU WAIT UNTIL A CRISIS, THEN
  • 00:12:31.220 --> 00:12:32.240
  • YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOUR
  • 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:33.280
  • RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS RIGHT,
  • 00:12:33.280 --> 00:12:35.010
  • AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LEARN SOME
  • 00:12:35.010 --> 00:12:36.020
  • THINGS, AND YOU'RE SCRAMBLING,
  • 00:12:36.020 --> 00:12:37.090
  • AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRAY,
  • 00:12:37.090 --> 00:12:38.010
  • AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN
  • 00:12:38.010 --> 00:12:38.260
  • IN YOUR BIBLE, AND IT'S JUST--
  • 00:12:38.260 --> 00:12:40.120
  • YOU ARE HURTING YOURSELF, AND
  • 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:41.230
  • YOU'LL MAKE A MESS, SO START NOW
  • 00:12:41.230 --> 00:12:44.080
  • IN THE GOOD DAYS, AND DEVELOP
  • 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:45.240
  • THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND
  • 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.060
  • PUT YOUR FAITH DOWN IN HIS
  • 00:12:48.060 --> 00:12:49.230
  • WORD, AND THEN, WHEN SOMETHIN'
  • 00:12:49.230 --> 00:12:50.150
  • HAPPENS, AS IT'S HAPPENED TO ME,
  • 00:12:50.150 --> 00:12:52.170
  • YOU DON'T TAKE IT IN STRIDE, BUT
  • 00:12:52.170 --> 00:12:53.160
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT BALANCES THE
  • 00:12:53.160 --> 00:12:55.060
  • GRIEF AND THE SUFFERING AND THE
  • 00:12:55.220 --> 00:12:58.220
  • PAIN, AND THE FAITH IS WHAT
  • 00:12:58.220 --> 00:12:59.200
  • TAKES YOU THROUGH,
  • 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:01.030
  • BUT IT'S NOT FAITH.
  • 00:13:01.030 --> 00:13:02.150
  • FAITH IS NOT "I HOPE SO."
  • 00:13:02.150 --> 00:13:04.150
  • BIBLICAL FAITH IS A CONFIDENCE,
  • 00:13:04.150 --> 00:13:06.010
  • AND YOUR CONFIDENCE IS IN THE
  • 00:13:06.010 --> 00:13:07.130
  • WORD OF GOD THAT IT'S TRUE, AND
  • 00:13:07.130 --> 00:13:08.200
  • HE KEEPS HIS WORD.
  • 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:09.140
  • - ERIC: ANNE, THE BOOK IS
  • 00:13:09.140 --> 00:13:11.000
  • TITLED "JESUS IN ME:
  • 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:12.010
  • EXPERIENCING THE HOLY SPIRIT AS
  • 00:13:12.010 --> 00:13:14.050
  • A CONSTANT COMPANION."
  • 00:13:14.050 --> 00:13:14.220
  • MANY PEOPLE HAVE A DRY FAITH,
  • 00:13:14.290 --> 00:13:17.290
  • AND I THINK IT'S
  • 00:13:17.290 --> 00:13:18.180
  • MAINLY CEREBRAL.
  • 00:13:18.180 --> 00:13:19.260
  • ITS INTELLECTUAL.
  • 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:20.240
  • THEY DON'T WALK WITH THE LORD.
  • 00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:24.030
  • SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU
  • 00:13:24.030 --> 00:13:26.080
  • SAY, "EXPERIENCING THE HOLY
  • 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:27.250
  • SPIRIT AS A CONSTANT COMPANION,"
  • 00:13:27.250 --> 00:13:29.000
  • AND WHAT LED YOU TO WRITE A BOOK
  • 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.090
  • SPECIFICALLY ON THIS?
  • 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:32.150
  • - ANNE: WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN I
  • 00:13:32.150 --> 00:13:33.220
  • WAS RAISED, MAYBE LIKE YOU, IN
  • 00:13:33.220 --> 00:13:35.110
  • THE CHURCH, WE WERE IN CHURCH
  • 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:36.200
  • EVERY SUNDAY, AND I WAS RAISED
  • 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.000
  • IN A COMMITTED CHRISTIAN FAMILY
  • 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:39.190
  • WHERE JESUS WAS LOVED AND OBEYED
  • 00:13:39.190 --> 00:13:41.000
  • AND SERVED AND PROCLAIMED.
  • 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.110
  • - ERIC: YOUR PARENTS WERE
  • 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:44.000
  • CHRISTIANS?
  • 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:44.120
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:45.020
  • - ANNE: BUT I DON'T REMEMBER
  • 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:45.230
  • BEING TAUGHT ABOUT THE HOLY
  • 00:13:45.230 --> 00:13:46.280
  • SPIRIT, AND I'D GO TO CHURCH,
  • 00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:47.260
  • AND THEY'D TALK ABOUT THE HOLY
  • 00:13:47.260 --> 00:13:48.170
  • GHOST, AND I DIDN'T RELATE TO
  • 00:13:48.170 --> 00:13:50.000
  • THAT, AND IT WASN'T UNTIL I WAS
  • 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.190
  • A YOUNG ADULT, STUDYING THE
  • 00:13:51.190 --> 00:13:52.290
  • SCRIPTURES FOR MYSELF, IN
  • 00:13:52.290 --> 00:13:54.110
  • PARTICULAR, THE GOSPEL OF JOHN,
  • 00:13:54.110 --> 00:13:55.270
  • THAT I CAME TO MORE OF AN
  • 00:13:55.270 --> 00:13:57.020
  • UNDERSTANDING OF WHO THE HOLY
  • 00:13:57.020 --> 00:13:58.090
  • SPIRIT IS BECAUSE I THINK
  • 00:13:58.090 --> 00:13:59.200
  • SOMETIMES IN EVANGELICAL
  • 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.170
  • CIRCLES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE
  • 00:14:01.170 --> 00:14:02.140
  • FATHER, WHO'S THE MOST
  • 00:14:02.140 --> 00:14:03.240
  • IMPORTANT, THEN WE HAVE THE
  • 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:04.260
  • BELOVED JESUS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW
  • 00:14:04.260 --> 00:14:05.260
  • WHAT TO DO WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:14:05.260 --> 00:14:07.110
  • HE'S LIKE A "P.S.," YOU KNOW?
  • 00:14:07.110 --> 00:14:08.090
  • AND IF HE'S THE THIRD MEMBER OF
  • 00:14:08.090 --> 00:14:10.000
  • THE TRINITY, THEN WE THINK OF
  • 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:11.170
  • HIM AS THE LEAST, THAT HE'S THE
  • 00:14:11.170 --> 00:14:12.290
  • LESSER GODHEAD, YOU KNOW, BUT,
  • 00:14:12.290 --> 00:14:14.240
  • ACTUALLY, GOD THE FATHER IS
  • 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.010
  • PRIMARILY REVEALED IN THE OLD
  • 00:14:17.010 --> 00:14:18.150
  • TESTAMENT, THEN YOU HAVE GOD
  • 00:14:18.150 --> 00:14:19.230
  • THE SON PRIMARILY REVEALED IN
  • 00:14:19.230 --> 00:14:20.240
  • THE GOSPELS, THEN THE HOLY
  • 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.000
  • SPIRIT IS THE THIRD BECAUSE HE'S
  • 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:23.130
  • PRIMARILY REVEALED IN ACTS AND
  • 00:14:23.130 --> 00:14:25.060
  • THE EPISTLES, SO THEY'RE ALL GOD
  • 00:14:25.060 --> 00:14:26.160
  • THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY
  • 00:14:26.160 --> 00:14:28.220
  • BUT THE PRIMARY REVELATION IS
  • 00:14:31.270 --> 00:14:32.180
  • GOD THE FATHER IN OLD TESTAMENT,
  • 00:14:32.180 --> 00:14:33.110
  • GOD THE SON IN THE GOSPELS, GOD
  • 00:14:33.110 --> 00:14:34.050
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ACTS AND THE
  • 00:14:34.050 --> 00:14:35.140
  • EPISTLES, AND SO HE'S
  • 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:38.230
  • NOT THE LEAST.
  • 00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:40.010
  • BUT JESUS CALLED HIM "ANOTHER
  • 00:14:41.290 --> 00:14:42.250
  • ME," SO HE'S EXACTLY LIKE JESUS,
  • 00:14:42.250 --> 00:14:44.070
  • BUT WITHOUT HIS PHYSICAL BODY.
  • 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:45.230
  • HE'S A DISTINCT PERSON IN HIS
  • 00:14:45.230 --> 00:14:46.260
  • OWN RIGHT WITH MIND TO THINK AND
  • 00:14:46.260 --> 00:14:48.230
  • WILL TO ACT AND EMOTIONS TO
  • 00:14:48.230 --> 00:14:50.090
  • FEEL, BUT HE'S HIS OWN-- BUT
  • 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:53.010
  • HE'S EXACTLY LIKE JESUS, AND HE
  • 00:14:53.010 --> 00:14:54.260
  • LIVES INSIDE OF ME WHEN I
  • 00:14:54.260 --> 00:14:56.030
  • RECEIVED JESUS BY FAITH.
  • 00:14:56.030 --> 00:14:58.030
  • SO TO WALK WITH HIM, REALLY, TO
  • 00:14:58.030 --> 00:14:59.150
  • SURRENDER EVERY PART OF YOUR
  • 00:14:59.150 --> 00:15:02.030
  • LIFE TO HIM, AND THEN I
  • 00:15:02.030 --> 00:15:03.290
  • DEVELOPED THE RELATIONSHIP BY
  • 00:15:03.290 --> 00:15:04.290
  • SPENDING TIME WITH HIM EVERY
  • 00:15:04.290 --> 00:15:06.010
  • DAY, EVEN THROUGH ALL THE CANCER
  • 00:15:06.010 --> 00:15:06.230
  • TREATMENTS AND THE GRIEF AND THE
  • 00:15:06.230 --> 00:15:07.290
  • PAIN AND ALL THAT.
  • 00:15:07.290 --> 00:15:10.020
  • I DIDN'T LET GO OF EVERY DAY
  • 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:11.290
  • SPENDING TIME IN PRAYER AND
  • 00:15:11.290 --> 00:15:12.200
  • BIBLE READING.
  • 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:13.110
  • SO I READ THE BIBLE, AND THAT'S
  • 00:15:13.110 --> 00:15:14.210
  • WHERE GOD SPEAKS TO ME, JUST A
  • 00:15:14.210 --> 00:15:15.260
  • LITTLE BIT AT A TIME, NOT-- I
  • 00:15:15.260 --> 00:15:17.150
  • DON'T HAVE TO READ WHOLE
  • 00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:18.230
  • CHAPTERS AND BOOKS, BUT JUST A
  • 00:15:18.230 --> 00:15:19.220
  • FEW VERSES, ASKING THE LORD TO
  • 00:15:19.220 --> 00:15:21.120
  • SPEAK TO ME AND OPENING UP MY
  • 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.110
  • SPIRITUAL EARS TO LISTEN.
  • 00:15:23.110 --> 00:15:24.200
  • AND THEN I TALK TO HIM ABOUT
  • 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.170
  • WHAT HE SAID IN PRAYER, AND
  • 00:15:26.170 --> 00:15:28.050
  • JUST-- THEN, IF THERE'S
  • 00:15:28.050 --> 00:15:30.030
  • SOMETHING THAT HE'S IMPRESSED ON
  • 00:15:30.030 --> 00:15:31.140
  • ME I'M TO DO OR TO SAY OR--YOU
  • 00:15:31.140 --> 00:15:33.060
  • KNOW, I APPLY-- I LIVE IT OUT,
  • 00:15:33.060 --> 00:15:34.170
  • SO I DO WHAT HE SAYS, AND THEN,
  • 00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:36.100
  • YOU KNOW, AFTER TIME, YOU GROW
  • 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:38.000
  • ACCUSTOMED TO HIS-- NOT
  • 00:15:38.070 --> 00:15:41.070
  • ACCUSTOMED TO IT, BUT NOT
  • 00:15:41.070 --> 00:15:41.260
  • RECOGNIZE HIS VOICE.
  • 00:15:41.260 --> 00:15:43.200
  • HE SAYS, "MY SHEEP HEAR MY
  • 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.120
  • VOICE, AND THEY FOLLOW ME."
  • 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.070
  • AND YOU LEARN TO HEAR YOUR
  • 00:15:45.070 --> 00:15:46.210
  • SHEPHERD'S VOICE.
  • 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:48.240
  • - ERIC: WELL, IT'S JUST SO
  • 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.170
  • WONDERFUL TO HEAR YOU SAY IT
  • 00:15:49.170 --> 00:15:50.160
  • BECAUSE I DO THINK, AS WE WERE
  • 00:15:50.160 --> 00:15:52.230
  • SAYING EARLIER, AND YOU JUST
  • 00:15:52.230 --> 00:15:55.010
  • ALLUDED TO YOUR CHILDHOOD,
  • 00:15:55.010 --> 00:15:56.050
  • GROWING UP IN THE CHURCH, MANY
  • 00:15:56.050 --> 00:15:57.230
  • STRAINS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
  • 00:15:57.230 --> 00:15:59.000
  • ARE SOMEWHAT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH
  • 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:00.240
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE MAYBE
  • 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:02.010
  • THEY'VE SEEN, OFTENTIMES, PEOPLE
  • 00:16:02.010 --> 00:16:04.030
  • MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON REACTING
  • 00:16:04.030 --> 00:16:06.060
  • TO SOMETHING HORRIBLE, AND SO
  • 00:16:06.060 --> 00:16:09.000
  • THEY'VE SEEN SOME HORRIBLE
  • 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.230
  • DISPLAYS OF, YOU KNOW, RELIGIOUS
  • 00:16:10.230 --> 00:16:13.090
  • FLESH MASQUERADING AS THE HOLY
  • 00:16:13.090 --> 00:16:14.200
  • SPIRIT, AND THEY SAY, "WELL, I
  • 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.110
  • DON'T WANT THAT," AND SO THEY
  • 00:16:17.110 --> 00:16:18.180
  • RECOIL FROM IT, AND THEY DENY
  • 00:16:18.180 --> 00:16:20.060
  • THEMSELVES SOMETHING REALLY
  • 00:16:20.060 --> 00:16:21.250
  • BEAUTIFUL THAT THE LORD WANTS TO
  • 00:16:21.250 --> 00:16:22.190
  • DO WITH THEM.
  • 00:16:22.190 --> 00:16:23.200
  • - ANNE: AND I THINK YOU'RE
  • 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.170
  • RIGHT, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE
  • 00:16:25.170 --> 00:16:27.020
  • CRITICAL OF ANYBODY OR ANYTHING
  • 00:16:27.020 --> 00:16:28.000
  • BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT'S FREE
  • 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:28.210
  • TO, YOU KNOW, COME AND DO
  • 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.000
  • WHATEVER HE CHOOSES, BUT IF THE
  • 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:33.030
  • HOLY SPIRIT IS ANOTHER JESUS,
  • 00:16:33.030 --> 00:16:34.280
  • YOU THINK OF JESUS, THERE ARE
  • 00:16:34.280 --> 00:16:36.190
  • THINGS THAT ARE DONE IN THE
  • 00:16:36.190 --> 00:16:38.050
  • HOLY SPIRIT'S NAME THAT JESUS
  • 00:16:38.050 --> 00:16:39.120
  • WOULD NEVER DO, AND JESUS--THE
  • 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.280
  • HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A GENIE, AND
  • 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:43.270
  • HE'S NOT A FLAME OF FIRE, AND
  • 00:16:43.270 --> 00:16:45.090
  • HE'S NOT A DOVE, AND HE'S NOT AN
  • 00:16:45.090 --> 00:16:46.260
  • ECSTATIC EMOTION, AND HE'S
  • 00:16:46.260 --> 00:16:48.290
  • NOT A FEELING.
  • 00:16:48.290 --> 00:16:49.150
  • HE'S NOT AN "IT."
  • 00:16:49.150 --> 00:16:50.080
  • YOU KNOW, THE HOLY SPIRIT
  • 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.060
  • IS A LIVING,
  • 00:16:51.060 --> 00:16:52.100
  • INVISIBLE PERSON WHO IS EXACTLY
  • 00:16:52.100 --> 00:16:53.220
  • LIKE JESUS, SO SOME OF THE
  • 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:55.150
  • THINGS THAT ARE DONE IN HIS
  • 00:16:55.150 --> 00:16:56.240
  • NAME, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE
  • 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.190
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE I CAN'T
  • 00:16:58.190 --> 00:17:00.030
  • IMAGINE, IN MY FARTHEST
  • 00:17:00.030 --> 00:17:01.210
  • IMAGINATION, JESUS EVER DOING
  • 00:17:01.210 --> 00:17:03.250
  • WHAT SOME PEOPLE ATTRIBUTE TO
  • 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:05.090
  • THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:17:05.090 --> 00:17:06.050
  • AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THE
  • 00:17:06.050 --> 00:17:07.260
  • HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD, AND HE CAN
  • 00:17:07.260 --> 00:17:09.080
  • DO WHATEVER HE CHOOSES, BUT I
  • 00:17:09.080 --> 00:17:11.090
  • DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO DO
  • 00:17:11.090 --> 00:17:12.160
  • SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.140
  • DO IN HIS NAME.
  • 00:17:14.140 --> 00:17:15.280
  • - ERIC: NOW, OF COURSE, I'M
  • 00:17:15.280 --> 00:17:17.080
  • DYING TO KNOW WHAT "THESE
  • 00:17:17.080 --> 00:17:18.070
  • THINGS" YOU HAVE IN MIND ARE.
  • 00:17:18.070 --> 00:17:20.020
  • WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:22.010
  • CAN YOU SHARE THE MOST DRAMATIC
  • 00:17:22.010 --> 00:17:24.070
  • EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE
  • 00:17:24.070 --> 00:17:25.220
  • WOULD CLAIM IS THE HOLY SPIRIT,
  • 00:17:25.220 --> 00:17:27.150
  • AND YOU WOULD SAY IT DOESN'T
  • 00:17:27.150 --> 00:17:28.050
  • SEEM LIKE GOD THE FATHER?
  • 00:17:28.050 --> 00:17:29.110
  • - ANNE: WELL, YOU JUST CHANGE
  • 00:17:29.110 --> 00:17:30.020
  • THE TV CHANNEL, AND YOU'RE GONNA
  • 00:17:30.020 --> 00:17:30.240
  • COME ACROSS SOME OF THE STUFF.
  • 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:31.270
  • YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE
  • 00:17:31.270 --> 00:17:32.270
  • CRITICAL BECAUSE I'D RATHER
  • 00:17:32.270 --> 00:17:34.010
  • EMPHASIZE WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE
  • 00:17:34.010 --> 00:17:36.120
  • CAN DO, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, TO
  • 00:17:36.120 --> 00:17:38.100
  • ME--YOU KNOW, IN THE BIBLE,
  • 00:17:38.100 --> 00:17:40.250
  • NAMES REVEAL CHARACTER, SO JESUS
  • 00:17:40.250 --> 00:17:43.120
  • WAS CALLED "JESUS" BECAUSE HE
  • 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:44.260
  • WOULD DELIVER US FROM OUR SIN,
  • 00:17:44.260 --> 00:17:46.140
  • AND PETER WAS "SIMON," WHICH
  • 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:48.250
  • MEANT WISHY-WASHY, IMPULSIVE,
  • 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:50.050
  • BUT HE BECAME "PETER," WHICH
  • 00:17:50.050 --> 00:17:52.200
  • MEANT "ROCK," SO STEADFAST IN
  • 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:53.260
  • HIS FAITH THAT HE WOULD HELP
  • 00:17:53.260 --> 00:17:54.200
  • OTHERS, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU
  • 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.050
  • CAN TAKE HIS NAME, AND IT'S
  • 00:17:56.050 --> 00:17:58.020
  • INTERCHANGEABLE WITH SEVEN
  • 00:17:58.020 --> 00:17:59.130
  • OTHERS FROM JOHN CHAPTER 16,
  • 00:17:59.130 --> 00:18:01.150
  • THAT HE'S THE COUNSELOR, HE'S
  • 00:18:01.150 --> 00:18:03.020
  • THE COMFORTER, HE'S THE STANDBY,
  • 00:18:03.020 --> 00:18:04.190
  • STANDS BY ME TO HELP ME IN AN
  • 00:18:04.190 --> 00:18:06.110
  • EMERGENCY.
  • 00:18:06.110 --> 00:18:06.280
  • HE'S A STRENGTHENER, HE'S A
  • 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:08.080
  • HELPER, HE'S AN ADVOCATE, HE'S
  • 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:09.100
  • AND HE'S, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HE'S
  • 00:18:12.270 --> 00:18:13.190
  • BEEN SOFT, AND HE'S BEEN GENTLE,
  • 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.110
  • AND HE'S BEEN KIND, AND HE
  • 00:18:15.110 --> 00:18:17.140
  • DOESN'T LET ME GET BY WITH
  • 00:18:17.140 --> 00:18:18.110
  • SO, YOU KNOW, HE CONVICTS ME OF
  • 00:18:21.130 --> 00:18:22.050
  • SIN BECAUSE HE'S HOLY, AND THE
  • 00:18:22.050 --> 00:18:22.260
  • HOLY SPIRIT COMES--WHEN HE
  • 00:18:22.260 --> 00:18:24.020
  • COMES INTO ME, HE WANTS TO
  • 00:18:24.020 --> 00:18:25.140
  • SEPARATE ME FROM THE SIN IN MY
  • 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:28.020
  • LIFE THAT'S DISPLEASING TO GOD,
  • 00:18:28.020 --> 00:18:30.130
  • THAT HINDERS PEOPLE FROM SEEING
  • 00:18:30.130 --> 00:18:32.020
  • JESUS IN ME, AND SO HE WILL
  • 00:18:32.020 --> 00:18:34.070
  • CONVICT ME OF SIN.
  • 00:18:34.070 --> 00:18:36.030
  • NOT EVERYTHING--IF SOMEBODY, YOU
  • 00:18:36.030 --> 00:18:37.240
  • KNOW, IF IN YOUR MIND, IT'S
  • 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:38.160
  • LIKE, "OH, ERIC, YOU'RE
  • 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:39.120
  • TERRIBLE.
  • 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:39.260
  • YOU'LL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING,
  • 00:18:39.260 --> 00:18:40.240
  • AND I CAN'T DO--" THAT'S THE
  • 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:41.170
  • DEVIL.
  • 00:18:41.170 --> 00:18:42.100
  • THAT'S THE ENEMY.
  • 00:18:42.100 --> 00:18:43.000
  • BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES
  • 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:44.080
  • USUALLY ONE THING AT A TIME, AND
  • 00:18:44.080 --> 00:18:46.010
  • SOMEBODY'S DESCRIBED HIM AS THE
  • 00:18:46.010 --> 00:18:48.000
  • MOST UNCOMFORTABLE COMFORTER
  • 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.040
  • THEY'VE EVER HAD--
  • 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:50.230
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:18:50.230 --> 00:18:51.200
  • -- 'CAUSE HE DOES CONVICT US OF
  • 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:52.180
  • SIN, AND SO, WHEN WE'RE
  • 00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:53.220
  • CONVICTED, I'M FORGIVEN 'CAUSE
  • 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:55.030
  • I'VE BEEN TO THE CROSS.
  • 00:18:55.030 --> 00:18:55.290
  • I'M FORGIVEN.
  • 00:18:55.290 --> 00:18:56.280
  • BUT I COME BACK, AND I CONFESS
  • 00:18:56.280 --> 00:18:57.190
  • TO HIM THE SPECIFIC SIN THAT
  • 00:18:57.190 --> 00:18:59.140
  • HE'S CONVICTED ME OF THAT I
  • 00:18:59.140 --> 00:19:00.170
  • MIGHT BE CLEANSED, THAT I MIGHT
  • 00:19:00.170 --> 00:19:01.230
  • BE RESTORED IN MY SWEET
  • 00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:03.090
  • FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHER, THE
  • 00:19:03.090 --> 00:19:04.140
  • SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.
  • 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:06.020
  • - ERIC: IT'S INTERESTING THAT,
  • 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:07.070
  • IF YOU FORGET THAT YOU'RE A
  • 00:19:07.070 --> 00:19:09.140
  • SINNER, YOU FORGET ABOUT THE
  • 00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:11.030
  • GRACE OF GOD AND THE LOVE OF GOD
  • 00:19:11.030 --> 00:19:12.040
  • TOWARD YOU, AND THEN IT'S EASY
  • 00:19:12.040 --> 00:19:14.210
  • TO FORGET ABOUT IT TOWARD OTHER
  • 00:19:14.210 --> 00:19:16.070
  • PEOPLE.
  • 00:19:16.070 --> 00:19:17.240
  • AND I GUESS MY HERO, WILLIAM
  • 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.080
  • WILBERFORCE, HE NEVER WAS
  • 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:21.030
  • MORALLY GRANDSTANDING AGAINST
  • 00:19:21.030 --> 00:19:23.110
  • THE SLAVE INTERESTS.
  • 00:19:23.110 --> 00:19:26.050
  • HE SAID, "WE HAVE ALL BEEN
  • 00:19:26.050 --> 00:19:27.080
  • GUILTY," AND BECAUSE OF HIS DEEP
  • 00:19:27.080 --> 00:19:28.170
  • SENSE OF HIS OWN SIN, HE WAS
  • 00:19:28.170 --> 00:19:30.100
  • ABLE TO BE LOVING TOWARD HIS
  • 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:32.080
  • POLITICAL ENEMIES, AND IT'S MY
  • 00:19:32.080 --> 00:19:34.080
  • BELIEF THAT BECAUSE OF HIS BEING
  • 00:19:34.100 --> 00:19:37.100
  • ABLE TO LOVE HIS POLITICAL
  • 00:19:37.100 --> 00:19:38.260
  • ENEMIES, HE WAS ABLE TO SUCCEED
  • 00:19:38.260 --> 00:19:39.240
  • POLITICALLY.
  • 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.080
  • - ANNE: WELL, AND TO PUT IT
  • 00:19:41.080 --> 00:19:42.200
  • THIS WAY, THE GROUND IS LEVEL AT
  • 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.150
  • THE FOOT OF THE CROSS.
  • 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:45.100
  • YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO COME TO
  • 00:19:45.100 --> 00:19:46.130
  • THE FOOT OF THE CROSS AND COME
  • 00:19:46.130 --> 00:19:47.060
  • TO THE VERY SAME PLACE TO
  • 00:19:47.060 --> 00:19:48.100
  • CONFESS OUR SIN, TO REPENT, AND
  • 00:19:48.100 --> 00:19:50.090
  • TO GET RIGHT WITH GOD.
  • 00:19:50.090 --> 00:19:51.260
  • SO FOR US TO EVER THINK THAT
  • 00:19:51.260 --> 00:19:53.210
  • WE'RE BETTER THAN SOMEBODY ELSE
  • 00:19:53.210 --> 00:19:55.070
  • IS LUDICROUS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT.
  • 00:19:55.070 --> 00:19:57.020
  • YOU KNOW, I MAY BE FORGIVEN, AND
  • 00:19:57.020 --> 00:19:58.280
  • SOMEBODY ELSE HASN'T COME TO
  • 00:19:58.280 --> 00:20:00.160
  • THAT POINT YET, BUT I'M STILL A
  • 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:01.270
  • SINNER, AND MY SIN STILL
  • 00:20:03.130 --> 00:20:06.130
  • REQUIRED THE DEATH OF JESUS,
  • 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:07.070
  • SO I HAVE NOTHING TO BE
  • 00:20:07.070 --> 00:20:08.020
  • PROUD ABOUT IN MYSELF.
  • 00:20:08.020 --> 00:20:10.020
  • - ERIC: ANNE, ARE THERE ANY
  • 00:20:10.020 --> 00:20:10.260
  • STORIES IN THIS BOOK THAT YOU
  • 00:20:10.260 --> 00:20:12.040
  • CAN SHARE OR THAT YOU WANNA
  • 00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:13.090
  • SHARE?
  • 00:20:13.090 --> 00:20:13.240
  • - ANNE: THERE ARE MANY
  • 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.190
  • DIFFERENT STORIES, AND I THINK
  • 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:18.030
  • I'VE SHARED A COUPLE ALREADY,
  • 00:20:18.030 --> 00:20:19.010
  • BUT JUST THE WAY THE LORD HAS
  • 00:20:19.010 --> 00:20:20.260
  • UNDERGIRDED ME IN SO MANY
  • 00:20:20.260 --> 00:20:23.160
  • PRESSURE-PACKED MOMENTS, AND ONE
  • 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:24.210
  • OF THEM, ERIC, I KNOW YOU WERE
  • 00:20:24.210 --> 00:20:25.290
  • THERE FOR MY FATHER'S FUNERAL
  • 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:29.130
  • SERVICE, AND, YOU KNOW, MY
  • 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:31.040
  • BROTHER WAS VERY STRICT WITH
  • 00:20:31.040 --> 00:20:32.130
  • EACH ONE OF US, TELLING US HOW
  • 00:20:32.130 --> 00:20:34.000
  • MUCH TIME WE'D HAVE, BUT EACH
  • 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:35.110
  • MEMBER OF MY FAMILY WAS GIVEN A
  • 00:20:35.110 --> 00:20:36.230
  • FEW MOMENTS ON THE PLATFORM TO
  • 00:20:36.230 --> 00:20:38.040
  • SAY WHATEVER WE WANTED, AND NONE
  • 00:20:38.040 --> 00:20:39.240
  • OF MY SIBLINGS AND I PLANNED
  • 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.090
  • TOGETHER WHAT WE WOULD SAY.
  • 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:43.020
  • WE JUST ALL DID WHAT WE FELT GOD
  • 00:20:43.020 --> 00:20:44.280
  • PUT ON OUR HEARTS, AND I KNEW
  • 00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:46.230
  • GOD HAD PUT A MESSAGE ON MY
  • 00:20:46.230 --> 00:20:47.220
  • HEART, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO
  • 00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:48.270
  • PREPARE IT.
  • 00:20:48.270 --> 00:20:51.150
  • I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO WRITE IT
  • 00:20:51.150 --> 00:20:52.070
  • OUT, TO THINK IT THROUGH,
  • 00:20:52.070 --> 00:20:53.090
  • BECAUSE, FROM THE TIME MY FATHER
  • 00:20:53.090 --> 00:20:54.280
  • DIED UNTIL THE TIME OF HIS
  • 00:20:54.280 --> 00:20:55.270
  • FUNERAL, IT WAS JUST NONSTOP
  • 00:20:55.270 --> 00:20:57.130
  • MOTORCADES AND GOING TO
  • 00:20:57.130 --> 00:20:59.200
  • WASHINGTON, THE ROTUNDA, ALL OF
  • 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:00.290
  • THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, PLUS YOU
  • 00:21:00.290 --> 00:21:02.160
  • HAVE THE GRIEF AND THE EMOTION,
  • 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:03.230
  • AND SO ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE THE
  • 00:21:03.230 --> 00:21:06.100
  • FUNERAL BEGAN AND I WAS TO GO
  • 00:21:06.100 --> 00:21:08.090
  • OUT, I WAS SITTING BACK AT A
  • 00:21:08.090 --> 00:21:11.030
  • TABLE, AND I JUST PUT MY HEAD ON
  • 00:21:11.030 --> 00:21:12.050
  • THE TABLE, AND I FELT LIKE I WAS
  • 00:21:12.050 --> 00:21:13.040
  • ZONING OUT.
  • 00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:14.190
  • I COULDN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING.
  • 00:21:14.190 --> 00:21:15.260
  • HE'D GIVEN ME A FEW THOUGHTS A
  • 00:21:15.260 --> 00:21:18.020
  • COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE, AND I
  • 00:21:18.020 --> 00:21:19.060
  • COULDN'T PUT 'EM TOGETHER, AND I
  • 00:21:19.060 --> 00:21:20.040
  • FELT LIKE I WAS IN ANOTHER
  • 00:21:20.040 --> 00:21:21.240
  • WORLD.
  • 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:22.230
  • I WANTED TO PASS OUT, AND I
  • 00:21:22.230 --> 00:21:23.220
  • CAME-- AND THEN I WAS TOLD I HAD
  • 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:24.150
  • TO COME OUT.
  • 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:25.020
  • THE PRESIDENT AND HIS WIFE AND
  • 00:21:25.020 --> 00:21:26.050
  • THE VICE PRESIDENT'S WIFE WERE
  • 00:21:26.050 --> 00:21:27.090
  • THERE, AND I WENT OUT AND STOOD
  • 00:21:27.090 --> 00:21:28.110
  • FOR 20 MINUTES, WAITING TO MEET
  • 00:21:28.110 --> 00:21:30.010
  • WITH THEM AND THEN WALKED OUT IN
  • 00:21:30.010 --> 00:21:31.170
  • THAT FREEZING COLD TENT, AND THE
  • 00:21:31.170 --> 00:21:34.070
  • TIME CAME RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING
  • 00:21:34.070 --> 00:21:35.180
  • FOR MY SIBLINGS AND I TO GET UP
  • 00:21:35.180 --> 00:21:37.050
  • TO SPEAK.
  • 00:21:37.050 --> 00:21:38.140
  • MY AUNT WENT FIRST, AND THEN MY
  • 00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:39.150
  • OLDER SISTER, AND WHEN I WALKED
  • 00:21:39.150 --> 00:21:40.170
  • TO THE PODIUM-- AND I WAS
  • 00:21:40.170 --> 00:21:41.120
  • INSIDE.
  • 00:21:41.120 --> 00:21:43.100
  • I WAS SAYING-- I CAN TELL YOU
  • 00:21:43.100 --> 00:21:44.080
  • WHAT I WAS PRAYING: "HELP," YOU
  • 00:21:44.080 --> 00:21:46.070
  • KNOW, "HELP ME, LORD, HELP ME."
  • 00:21:46.070 --> 00:21:47.020
  • THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE
  • 00:21:47.020 --> 00:21:47.230
  • WORLD.
  • 00:21:47.230 --> 00:21:48.190
  • ALL THE "WHO'S WHO" OF
  • 00:21:48.190 --> 00:21:49.080
  • EVANGELICAL LEADERSHIP WAS IN
  • 00:21:49.080 --> 00:21:50.100
  • FRONT OF ME IN THAT TENT, AND
  • 00:21:50.100 --> 00:21:51.050
  • THEN IT WAS LIVE-STREAMED TO THE
  • 00:21:51.050 --> 00:21:53.120
  • WORLD.
  • 00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:55.230
  • AND, "GOD, DON'T LET ME MESS
  • 00:21:55.230 --> 00:21:56.130
  • THIS UP."
  • 00:21:56.130 --> 00:21:58.000
  • I FELT LIKE I HAD A
  • 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:58.160
  • MESSAGE FROM HIM.
  • 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:00.060
  • AND WHEN I OPENED MY MOUTH,
  • 00:22:00.060 --> 00:22:01.100
  • ERIC, THERE WAS PEACE, THERE
  • 00:22:01.100 --> 00:22:02.150
  • WAS CALMNESS, THERE WAS
  • 00:22:02.150 --> 00:22:03.230
  • AND IF I HAD PRACTICED WHAT I
  • 00:22:06.190 --> 00:22:07.100
  • SAID A HUNDRED TIMES OVER,
  • 00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:08.160
  • IT COULDN'T HAVE COME OUT,
  • 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:09.280
  • I DON'T THINK, ANY MORE--
  • 00:22:09.280 --> 00:22:10.210
  • YOU KNOW, IT WAS ARTICULATE,
  • 00:22:10.210 --> 00:22:12.010
  • IT WAS CLEAR,
  • 00:22:12.010 --> 00:22:14.130
  • I BELIEVE, THE WORLD AND,
  • 00:22:17.060 --> 00:22:17.250
  • BASICALLY, THAT I FELT LIKE MY
  • 00:22:17.250 --> 00:22:18.160
  • FATHER'S DEATH WAS AS
  • 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:19.090
  • SIGNIFICANT AS HIS LIFE.
  • 00:22:19.090 --> 00:22:21.270
  • SO WHAT WAS THERE SIGNIFICANT
  • 00:22:21.270 --> 00:22:23.190
  • ABOUT IT?
  • 00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:24.240
  • AND IT WAS ON THE DAY WHEN, IN
  • 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:25.240
  • JEWISH TRADITION, THEY WERE
  • 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.030
  • READING ABOUT MOSES, THE GREAT
  • 00:22:27.030 --> 00:22:27.240
  • LIBERATOR, WHO HAD DIED, AND I
  • 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:29.040
  • FELT GOD HAD GIVEN ME THAT
  • 00:22:29.040 --> 00:22:30.080
  • MESSAGE THAT MY FATHER WAS A
  • 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:31.270
  • MOSES.
  • 00:22:31.270 --> 00:22:32.150
  • HE WAS SOMEBODY SENT TO LIBERATE
  • 00:22:32.150 --> 00:22:34.010
  • PEOPLE FROM BONDAGE TO SIN, GET
  • 00:22:34.010 --> 00:22:36.020
  • THEM OUT OF BONDAGE, AND THAT
  • 00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:38.260
  • HIS DEATH WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT,
  • 00:22:38.260 --> 00:22:40.130
  • AND IT WAS LIKE A SHOT ACROSS
  • 00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:41.120
  • THE BOW.
  • 00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:42.120
  • IT WAS A WARNING TO THE WHOLE
  • 00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:43.290
  • CHURCH, "WAKE UP BECAUSE JESUS
  • 00:22:43.290 --> 00:22:45.070
  • IS COMING," AND I STILL BELIEVE
  • 00:22:45.070 --> 00:22:46.270
  • THAT'S A STRONG MESSAGE.
  • 00:22:46.270 --> 00:22:48.180
  • THIS IS FEAST OF TRUMPETS TODAY,
  • 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:49.280
  • AND WE'RE TALKING, AND THIS IS A
  • 00:22:49.280 --> 00:22:51.200
  • DAY WHEN WE NEED TO LOOK UP
  • 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.250
  • BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF
  • 00:22:53.250 --> 00:22:55.190
  • THESE DAYS THAT JESUS IS COMING,
  • 00:22:55.190 --> 00:22:57.010
  • AND I BELIEVE IT'S SOON, AND
  • 00:22:57.010 --> 00:22:58.130
  • WHAT WE SEE IN THE WORLD
  • 00:22:58.130 --> 00:22:59.190
  • SITUATION THAT YOU KNOW OF SO
  • 00:22:59.190 --> 00:23:00.190
  • MUCH BETTER THAN I DO, BUT
  • 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:03.000
  • THINGS ARE ALL-- IT LOOKS LIKE
  • 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.110
  • THE WORLD'S FALLING APART, BUT
  • 00:23:04.110 --> 00:23:05.020
  • IT'S FALLING INTO PLACE AT THE
  • 00:23:05.020 --> 00:23:06.070
  • FEET OF JESUS.
  • 00:23:06.070 --> 00:23:07.210
  • AND I WALKED OFF THE PLATFORM,
  • 00:23:07.210 --> 00:23:09.000
  • AND I KNEW THE HOLY SPIRIT HAD
  • 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.030
  • COME UPON ME, IN A SENSE, GIVEN
  • 00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:12.180
  • ME THE WORDS, GIVEN ME THE
  • 00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:14.170
  • STRENGTH, EVEN GIVEN ME A LITTLE
  • 00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:16.030
  • BIT OF HUMOR WHEN ALL MY
  • 00:23:16.030 --> 00:23:17.100
  • KLEENEXES BLEW INTO THE
  • 00:23:17.100 --> 00:23:19.120
  • AUDIENCE, AND SO THAT'S JUST ONE
  • 00:23:19.120 --> 00:23:21.000
  • STORY OF THE HELP THAT THE HOLY
  • 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.190
  • SPIRIT CAN BE, THE STRENGTH HE
  • 00:23:23.190 --> 00:23:25.110
  • CAN GIVE YOU.
  • 00:23:25.110 --> 00:23:26.120
  • HE CAN DO FOR YOU WHAT YOU CAN'T
  • 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:28.200
  • DO FOR YOURSELF AND AT THOSE
  • 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:29.260
  • CRISIS MOMENTS, YOU KNOW, AND
  • 00:23:30.050 --> 00:23:33.050
  • YOU LOOK BACK AND YOU THINK,
  • 00:23:33.050 --> 00:23:35.170
  • "WOW, YOU KNOW, HE JUST CAME
  • 00:23:35.170 --> 00:23:36.070
  • THROUGH."
  • 00:23:36.070 --> 00:23:37.010
  • IT'S VERY HUMBLING, ACTUALLY.
  • 00:23:37.010 --> 00:23:38.030
  • I CAME OFF THAT PLATFORM, JUST--
  • 00:23:38.030 --> 00:23:38.250
  • IF I COULD HAVE, I WOULD'VE BEEN
  • 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:39.230
  • ON MY FACE BEFORE HIM.
  • 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:40.120
  • I'M JUST IN GRATITUDE FOR WHAT
  • 00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:42.070
  • HE HAD DONE.
  • 00:23:42.070 --> 00:23:43.060
  • - ERIC: IT'S AMAZING.
  • 00:23:43.060 --> 00:23:44.100
  • YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY AGAIN TO
  • 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:45.230
  • FOLKS LISTENING, THERE IS
  • 00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:48.010
  • NOTHING MORE WONDERFUL AND
  • 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.160
  • EXCITING THAN WALKING WITH
  • 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:53.180
  • JESUS.
  • 00:23:53.180 --> 00:23:54.250
  • THERE'S NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY
  • 00:23:54.250 --> 00:23:55.220
  • NOTHING.
  • 00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:57.060
  • AND I THINK THAT SO MANY PEOPLE
  • 00:23:57.060 --> 00:23:58.080
  • THINK, "I'VE GOT THESE PROBLEMS
  • 00:23:58.080 --> 00:23:59.010
  • IN MY LIFE.
  • 00:23:59.010 --> 00:23:59.180
  • I'VE GOT THIS, I GOT--" AND I
  • 00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:00.210
  • WANNA SAY TO THEM, "YOU HAVE NO
  • 00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:01.180
  • IDEA WHAT GOD HAS FOR YOU, AND
  • 00:24:01.180 --> 00:24:03.260
  • TO WALK WITH HIM AND TO HAVE HIM
  • 00:24:04.190 --> 00:24:07.190
  • USE YOU IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, THERE
  • 00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:10.110
  • IS JUST-- NOT ONLY IS THERE
  • 00:24:10.110 --> 00:24:12.000
  • NOTHING BETTER, BUT LET'S FACE
  • 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.120
  • IT, IT'S PRECISELY WHY EACH OF
  • 00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:15.110
  • US IS ON THIS PLANET.
  • 00:24:15.110 --> 00:24:16.100
  • IT'S PRECISELY WHY WE'RE HERE,
  • 00:24:16.100 --> 00:24:18.020
  • AND IT'S SUCH A JOY TO SEE HIM
  • 00:24:18.020 --> 00:24:20.060
  • USE US AND TO SEE HIM SPEAK
  • 00:24:20.060 --> 00:24:22.080
  • THROUGH US.
  • 00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:24.000
  • I'VE HAD THAT SENSE SOMETIMES
  • 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:24.240
  • THAT I WILL SAY SOMETHING, AND I
  • 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.100
  • KNOW THE LORD USED IT, AND YOU
  • 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:28.100
  • GET SUCH A FEELING OF
  • 00:24:28.100 --> 00:24:29.250
  • SATISFACTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW
  • 00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:31.180
  • YOU'RE PRECISELY WHERE YOU'RE
  • 00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:33.090
  • SUPPOSED TO BE.
  • 00:24:33.090 --> 00:24:34.200
  • - ANNE: THAT YOU COUNT.
  • 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.220
  • YOUR LIFE COUNTS.
  • 00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:36.140
  • YOUR LIFE-- I MEAN, FOR
  • 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:38.020
  • ETERNITY, YOUR LIFE IS
  • 00:24:38.020 --> 00:24:39.050
  • SIGNIFICANT, AND SO, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:39.050 --> 00:24:41.110
  • ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT-- YOU KNOW,
  • 00:24:41.110 --> 00:24:43.150
  • JOHN 15 SAYS, "WITHOUT JESUS, WE
  • 00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:46.280
  • CAN DO NOTHING," NOTHING OF
  • 00:24:46.280 --> 00:24:48.070
  • ETERNAL SIGNIFICANCE, AND THE
  • 00:24:48.070 --> 00:24:50.060
  • HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE WHEN WE
  • 00:24:50.060 --> 00:24:52.060
  • YIELD OUR LIVES TO HIM.
  • 00:24:52.060 --> 00:24:53.140
  • PEOPLE ARE SO AFRAID TO
  • 00:24:53.140 --> 00:24:54.220
  • SURRENDER EVERYTHING, BUT YOU
  • 00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:56.170
  • SURRENDER EVERYTHING, AND HE
  • 00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:57.200
  • FILLS YOUR LIFE, AND THEN HE
  • 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.240
  • COMES THROUGH YOU, AND YOU CAN
  • 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.000
  • DO THINGS THAT ARE WAY BEYOND
  • 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:04.140
  • YOUR COMFORT ZONE, WAY BEYOND
  • 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:05.050
  • YOUR OWN ABILITY.
  • 00:25:05.050 --> 00:25:05.280
  • JUST, IT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT
  • 00:25:05.280 --> 00:25:07.060
  • COMING THROUGH YOU TO DRAW
  • 00:25:07.060 --> 00:25:09.040
  • PEOPLE TO JESUS, YOU KNOW, SO I
  • 00:25:09.040 --> 00:25:10.210
  • AGREE WITH YOU.
  • 00:25:10.210 --> 00:25:12.030
  • THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS AN
  • 00:25:12.030 --> 00:25:13.030
  • ADVENTURE.
  • 00:25:13.030 --> 00:25:13.180
  • - ERIC: YEAH, IT'S, JUST, IT'S
  • 00:25:13.180 --> 00:25:15.110
  • AMAZING, AND WE DON'T KNOW
  • 00:25:15.110 --> 00:25:17.040
  • WHAT'S AROUND THE CORNER, BUT WE
  • 00:25:17.040 --> 00:25:19.130
  • HAVE THE JOY OF KNOWING HE
  • 00:25:19.130 --> 00:25:20.250
  • KNOWS.
  • 00:25:20.250 --> 00:25:21.290
  • - ANNE: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
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  • - ERIC: AND HE KNOWS WHEN HE'S
  • 00:25:22.230 --> 00:25:24.260
  • GONNA TAKE US TO BE IN HIS
  • 00:25:24.260 --> 00:25:25.220
  • PRESENCE, AND IT'S JUST-- IT'S
  • 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:27.220
  • REAL, AND I KNOW YOU'VE WALKED
  • 00:25:27.220 --> 00:25:30.170
  • WITH THE LORD YOUR WHOLE LIFE,
  • 00:25:30.170 --> 00:25:31.280
  • AND YOUR FAMILY HAS MOSTLY DONE
  • 00:25:31.280 --> 00:25:33.030
  • THE SAME.
  • 00:25:33.030 --> 00:25:35.000
  • I MEAN, IT'S JUST, KIND OF, AN
  • 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:35.270
  • AMAZING THING WHEN YOU KNOW THAT
  • 00:25:35.270 --> 00:25:38.070
  • IT'S TRUE, AND I JUST WANNA
  • 00:25:38.070 --> 00:25:40.120
  • REITERATE THAT TO FOLKS THAT
  • 00:25:40.120 --> 00:25:41.080
  • THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE
  • 00:25:41.080 --> 00:25:42.210
  • BELIEVE.
  • 00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:43.230
  • - ANNE: AND WE KNOW THAT
  • 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:47.130
  • BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE
  • 00:25:47.130 --> 00:25:48.060
  • SAYS.
  • 00:25:48.060 --> 00:25:49.080
  • SO THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORD, AND
  • 00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:50.050
  • I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF IT.
  • 00:25:50.050 --> 00:25:51.210
  • I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, "EVERY JOT
  • 00:25:51.210 --> 00:25:53.160
  • AND TITTLE," AS JESUS SAID,
  • 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.210
  • NONE WILL PASS AWAY THAT IS
  • 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:57.140
  • FULLY INSPIRED BY THE HOLY
  • 00:25:57.140 --> 00:25:58.110
  • SPIRIT, SO I PUT MY FAITH IN
  • 00:25:58.110 --> 00:25:59.230
  • GOD'S WORD, AND I TAKE HIM AT
  • 00:25:59.230 --> 00:26:00.160
  • HIS WORD.
  • 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.200
  • AND SOMETIMES WE GET THROWN OFF
  • 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:03.160
  • BECAUSE HE DOESN'T ANSWER US
  • 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:04.110
  • IMMEDIATELY.
  • 00:26:04.110 --> 00:26:05.130
  • HE DOESN'T SPEAK TO US
  • 00:26:05.130 --> 00:26:06.180
  • IMMEDIATELY, BUT GOD'S WORD IS
  • 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.090
  • SO.
  • 00:26:07.090 --> 00:26:08.220
  • - ERIC: MY GOODNESS, AND THAT
  • 00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:09.170
  • IS IT, FOLKS.
  • 00:26:09.170 --> 00:26:12.020
  • IF YOU'RE LISTENING, THE BOOK IS
  • 00:26:12.020 --> 00:26:14.050
  • "JESUS IN ME: EXPERIENCING THE
  • 00:26:14.050 --> 00:26:15.140
  • HOLY SPIRIT AS A CONSTANT
  • 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:17.190
  • COMPANION," ANNE GRAHAM LOTZ,
  • 00:26:17.190 --> 00:26:19.000
  • THE AUTHOR AND MY GUEST.
  • 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:19.180
  • ANNE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
  • 00:26:19.180 --> 00:26:20.230
  • - ANNE: OH, IT'S BEEN A JOY.
  • 00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:21.180
  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T STOP
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  • CAN'T STOP, CAN'T--
  • 00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:27.270
  • CAN'T STOP
  • 00:26:27.270 --> 00:26:28.190
  • - REBEKAH LYONS: I REALIZE ONE
  • 00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:34.040
  • IN FOUR OF US ARE GRIPPED IN
  • 00:26:34.040 --> 00:26:35.130
  • FEAR, SOME SORT OF ANXIETY, SOME
  • 00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:36.050
  • THERE'S JUST SOMETHING
  • 00:26:39.110 --> 00:26:39.280
  • CONTINUALLY COMING AGAINST US,
  • 00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:40.200
  • BUT WE CANNOT RUN IF WE CANNOT
  • 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.120
  • REST, AND SO YOU DON'T RUN TO
  • 00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:44.030
  • EARN THE RIGHT TO REST.
  • 00:26:44.030 --> 00:26:46.100
  • YOU RUN FROM, FUELED BY A
  • 00:26:46.100 --> 00:26:48.040
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:52.050
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:52.050 --> 00:26:53.250
  • BOOM, BOOM
  • 00:26:53.250 --> 00:26:54.210
  • BOOM, BOOM
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