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Creation in the 21st Century with David Rives

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  • - DAVID RIVES: COMING UP ON
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY":
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  • - MIKE RIDDLE: IF EVOLUTION IS
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  • TRUE, THEN WHY DO WE FIND SO
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  • MANY FOSSILS OUT OF PLACE?
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  • - DAVID: WHAT ABOUT THESE
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  • GRAVEYARDS OF MIXED-UP FOSSILS
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  • IN WYOMING, IN UTAH, IN CHILE,
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  • AND ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES
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  • AROUND THE WORLD?
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  • WHO PICKS HOW THE DATA
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  • IS INTERPRETED?
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  • - MIKE: HOW WE INTERPRET THE
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  • EVIDENCE IS BASED ON EITHER
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  • GOD'S WORD OR MAN'S WISDOM.
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  • AND PEOPLE SAY, "OH, THIS IS
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  • NOT THE WAY TO INTERPRET IT."
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  • YEAH, THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBLE
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  • WAYS PEOPLE INTERPRET IT; ONLY
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  • [DRAMATIC THEME MUSIC PLAYS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - DAVID: I WANNA WELCOME YOU
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  • TO "CREATION IN THE 21ST
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  • CENTURY," WHERE SCIENTIFIC
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  • DISCOVERY CONNECTS WITH YOUR
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  • AND, I WANT YOU TO KNOW
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  • THAT YOU ARE NO ACCIDENT.
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  • JUST LIKE THE DESIGN THAT WE
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  • SEE IN A CITY, OR AN
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  • AUTOMOBILE, OR EVEN IN THIS
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  • STUDIO, HERE, IT ALLOWS US TO
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  • APPRECIATE AND STUDY THE
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  • ENGINEER OR THE DESIGNER OF
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  • THOSE THINGS.
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  • WELL, THE DESIGN THAT WE SEE IN
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  • THE NATURAL WORLD ALL AROUND
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  • US, FROM A TINY HUMMINGBIRD TO
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  • HUMAN LIFE, WE'RE SITTING HERE,
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  • RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THAT IS
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  • POINTING US TO THE DESIGNER OF
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  • THE UNIVERSE -- NOT TO
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  • NATURALISM AND CHANCE OVER
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  • MILLIONS AND MILLION OF YEARS.
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  • YOU KNOW, EACH WEEK, WE LIKE TO
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  • EXPLORE THESE SCIENTIFIC AND
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  • HISTORICAL EVIDENCES OF
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  • BIBLICAL TRUTH.
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  • AND WE'VE GOT A GREAT EPISODE
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  • FOR YOU, TODAY.
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  • FOR THIS WEEK'S HEAVENS
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  • DECLARE, I WANNA ADDRESS
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  • SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.
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  • IT'S SORT OF A NEW FORM OF
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  • STUDY CALLED BARAMINOLOGY,
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  • WHERE WE TRY TO LOOK AT THE
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  • DIFFERENT KINDS OF ANIMALS THAT
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  • MAY HAVE GONE ON NOAH'S ARK AND
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  • THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ANIMALS
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  • THAT GOD ORIGINALLY CREATED.
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  • [TRANSITION SOUND EFFECT]
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  • GOD CREATED ORGANISMS TO
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  • REPRODUCE ACCORDING
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  • TO THEIR KINDS.
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  • NOW, A NEW FORM OF SCIENCE,
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  • KNOWN AS BARAMINOLOGY, STUDIES
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  • WHAT THIS MEANS IN A
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  • SCIENTIFIC SENSE.
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  • SINCE GENESIS SPECIFICALLY SAYS
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  • THAT ORGANISMS CREATED BY GOD
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  • REPRODUCE "ACCORDING TO THEIR
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  • KIND," WELL, CREATURES -- OR
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  • PLANTS, FOR THAT MATTER -- THAT
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  • CAN REPRODUCE WITH ONE ANOTHER
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  • MUST BELONG TO THE SAME CREATED
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  • KIND.
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  • NOW, WITH THIS IN MIND,
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  • BARAMINOLOGISTS HAVE WORKED TO
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  • PLACE WHAT WE CALL "SPECIES,"
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  • TODAY, IN THEIR CREATED KINDS.
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  • THIS IS THE SCIENCE OF
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  • BARAMINOLOGY.
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  • "BARA" MEANS "CREATED" IN
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  • HEBREW AND "MIN" MEANS "KIND."
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  • THAT'S WHERE THE NAME COMES
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  • FROM.
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  • SO, WHAT HAS THIS SCIENTIFIC
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  • DISCIPLINE SHOWN?
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  • WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF KINDS
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  • AND BARAMINOLOGISTS HAVEN'T HAD
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  • TIME TO CLASSIFY ALL OF THE
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  • MILLIONS OF SPECIES YET.
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  • MOST OF THE CURRENT RESEARCH IS
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  • FOCUSED ON THE LAND-DWELLING,
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  • AIR-BREATHING SPECIES.
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  • [SOUND EFFECT]
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  • WHY?
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  • WELL, BECAUSE THOSE WOULD HAVE
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  • BEEN THE CREATURES THAT WOULD
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  • HAVE BEEN ON NOAH'S ARK, SO
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  • THOSE ARE THE MOST PRESSING
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  • KINDS OF RESEARCH.
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  • AND THEIR RESEARCH SO FAR HAS
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  • LED MANY TO BELIEVE THAT THERE
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  • ARE APPROXIMATELY...
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  • [SQUEAKING SOUND EFFECT AUDIBLE
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  • AS EACH KIND DISPLAYS]
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  • ...248 AMPHIBIAN KINDS,
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  • ABOUT 320 REPTILE KINDS,
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  • ABOUT 468 MAMMAL KINDS,
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  • 284 BIRD KINDS, AND 78 KINDS OF
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  • WHAT ARE KNOWN AS NON-MAMMALIAN
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  • SYNAPSIDS.
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  • [SQUEAK]
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  • NOW, YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER
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  • HEARD OF A GROUP OF CREATURES
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  • CALLED NON-MAMMALIAN SYNAPSIDS.
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  • AND THAT'S BECAUSE, NOW,
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  • THEY'RE EXTINCT.
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  • BUT EACH OF THESE TOTAL NUMBERS
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  • INCLUDES EXTINCT KINDS ONLY
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  • KNOWN FROM THE FOSSIL RECORD
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  • AND THE ANIMALS ALIVE TODAY,
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  • WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL ESTIMATE
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  • OF LAND-DWELLING, AIR-BREATHING
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  • KINDS TO ABOUT...
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  • ...1.398.
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  • NOW, THIS NUMBER COULD
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  • CERTAINLY GO UP A BIT, BUT MANY
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  • BELIEVE THAT IT MIGHT GO DOWN
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  • SLIGHTLY, AS MORE RESEARCH IS
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  • DONE.
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  • BARAMINOLOGY SHOWS US HOW MUCH
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  • VARIETY GOD PUT INTO THE
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  • CREATURES THAT HE MADE.
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  • FOR EXAMPLE, LIONS, TIGERS,
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  • BOBCATS, HOUSECATS, LEOPARDS,
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  • JAGUARS, CHEETAHS, AND MANY
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  • MORE CAT SPECIES ARE ALL VERY
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  • SIMILAR AND THEY CAN EVEN
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  • INTERBREED BETWEEN SPECIES.
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  • [SOUND EFFECT]
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  • SO, EVEN IF WE FIND THAT THERE
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  • WERE SEVERAL CAT KINDS, THERE
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  • CERTAINLY WEREN'T PERSIANS, AND
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  • SIAMESE, BENGALS, AND BURMESE
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  • ON NOAH'S ARK.
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  • [ELECTRONIC MUSIC]
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  • IT SEEMS THAT GOD, IN HIS
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  • INFINITE WISDOM, PUT A
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  • TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
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  • VARIABILITY WITHIN EACH KIND
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  • THAT HE MADE.
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  • THIS ALLOWS THEM TO ADAPT TO AN
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  • EVER-CHANGING ENVIRONMENT LIKE
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  • THE WORLD AFTER THE FLOOD.
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  • SO, AS CREATURES ADAPTED AND
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  • BECAME MORE SUITED TO THEIR
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  • ENVIRONMENT, NEW SPECIES AROSE.
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  • SPECIATION ISN'T AN
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  • EXAMPLE OF EVOLUTION.
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  • THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF GOD-GIVEN
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  • DIVERSITY AND VARIETY
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  • WITHIN A KIND.
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  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
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  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
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  • HE WAS A CAPTAIN IN THE MARINE
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  • CORPS, HE'S AN EXPERT IN
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  • TRAINING PEOPLE FOR SUCCESS,
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  • HE'S DEVELOPED WORKSHOPS ON
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  • APOLOGETICS TRAINING, AND HAS
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  • BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN
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  • MINISTRY FOR OVER 35 YEARS.
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  • HE'S ALSO A FRIEND.
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  • HE'S DONE A REMARKABLE
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  • HE'S A NATIONAL
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  • TRACK-AND-FIELD CHAMPION
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  • AND HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF
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  • CREATION TRAINING INITIATIVE.
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  • WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM,
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  • MIKE RIDDLE.
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  • - MIKE RIDDLE: THANK YOU,
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  • DAVID.
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  • THAT INTRODUCTION MAKES ME
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  • SOUND PRETTY OLD.
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  • [BOTH LAUGHING]
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  • - DAVID: NO, IT MEANS THAT YOU
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  • HAVE FILLED YOUR LIFE IN THE
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  • NUMBER OF YEARS THAT YOU'VE HAD
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  • ON THIS EARTH.
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  • AND SO MANY PEOPLE, UH...THEY
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  • DON'T.
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  • THEY DON'T FILL THEIR LIFE WITH
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  • POSITIVE THINGS.
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  • THEY FILL THEIR LIFE WITH--
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  • WITH THINGS THAT AREN'T VERY
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  • UPLIFTING OR EDIFYING TO
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  • CHRIST, RIGHT?
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  • BUT WE SHOULD USE NOT ONLY OUR
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  • BODIES, BUT WE SHOULD USE OUR
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  • MINDS TO THE BEST OF OUR
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  • ABILITIES, AND THE TALENTS AND
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  • THE GIFTS THAT GOD HIS GIVEN US
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  • SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IMPACT, SO
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  • THAT WE CAN BE A WITNESS FOR
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  • - MIKE: THAT'S RIGHT.
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  • AND GOD HAS GIVEN ME MANY
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  • BLESSINGS.
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  • YOU KNOW THE PURPOSE OF A
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  • BLESSING?
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  • IS SO YOU CAN GIVE THAT
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  • BLESSING TO OTHER PEOPLE.
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  • - DAVID: OH...
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  • - MIKE: IT'S NOT TO KEEP;
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  • IT'S TO GIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE.
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  • - MIKE: AND I'M HOPING GOD
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  • GIVES ME MANY MORE YEARS,
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  • BLESSINGS, SO I CAN CONTINUE TO
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  • GO OUT AND DO THIS MANY, MANY
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  • MORE YEARS.
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  • - DAVID: WELL, AND THAT IS
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  • WHAT WE FEEL OUR PURPOSE IS ON
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY"
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  • IS TO SHARE THIS EXPERTISE WITH
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  • THE WORLD.
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  • BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF
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  • MISINFORMATION OUT THERE,
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  • ISN'T IT?
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  • - MIKE: A LOT.
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  • TOO MUCH.
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  • - DAVID: TOO MUCH, ESPECIALLY
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  • FROM AN ATHEISTIC PERSPECTIVE.
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  • SO MUCH IN THE SCIENTIFIC
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  • COMMUNITY IS GEARED AT TRYING
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  • TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING
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  • NATURALLY, UH...OVER VAST
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  • EONS OF TIME.
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  • BUT, FOSSIL GRAVEYARDS IN
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  • WYOMING AND NEBRASKA, THINGS
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  • THAT WE FIND IN THE ROCK
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  • RECORD, THINGS THAT WE ARE
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  • RECENTLY DISCOVERING WHEN WE
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  • LOOK AT THESE SKELETONS
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  • PRESERVED IN STONE ARE
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  • CHALLENGING ATHEISTIC
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  • ASSUMPTIONS.
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  • FIRST, LET'S BEGIN WITH: WHY
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  • IS IT IMPORTANT?
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  • - MIKE: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT?
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  • WELL, NUMBER ONE, IT ALWAYS
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  • DEALS WITH THE AUTHORITY
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  • OF SCRIPTURE.
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  • IF THE BIBLE SAYS SOMETHING, AS
  • 00:07:31.220 --> 00:07:32.210
  • CHRISTIANS, WE NEED TO
  • 00:07:32.210 --> 00:07:34.050
  • BELIEVE IT,
  • 00:07:34.050 --> 00:07:35.240
  • NOT TRY AND REINTERPRET IT
  • 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:36.220
  • BASED ON THE CURRENT
  • 00:07:36.220 --> 00:07:39.050
  • SCIENTIFIC IDEAS OR
  • 00:07:39.050 --> 00:07:41.000
  • THEORIES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
  • 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.010
  • AND YOU SAY: I DON'T CLASSIFY
  • 00:07:42.010 --> 00:07:43.010
  • EVOLUTION AS A THEORY;
  • 00:07:43.010 --> 00:07:44.160
  • I CLASSIFY IT AS AN HYPOTHESIS
  • 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.180
  • OR A PHILOSOPHY, BUT
  • 00:07:46.180 --> 00:07:48.120
  • NOT A THEORY.
  • 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:48.260
  • THEORIES IN SCIENCE HAS TO BE
  • 00:07:48.260 --> 00:07:49.280
  • OBSERVABLE AND PREDICTABLE.
  • 00:07:49.280 --> 00:07:52.220
  • - DAVID: WHICH IT IS NOT.
  • 00:07:52.220 --> 00:07:53.110
  • - MIKE: THEY'RE NOT.
  • 00:07:53.110 --> 00:07:53.280
  • THEY'RE NOT.
  • 00:07:53.280 --> 00:07:55.120
  • SO, YES, ACCORDING TO THE
  • 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:56.010
  • SCRIPTURE, THERE WAS A
  • 00:07:56.010 --> 00:07:56.230
  • WORLDWIDE FLOOD.
  • 00:07:56.230 --> 00:07:58.240
  • AND, ALSO, THE SCIENTIFIC
  • 00:07:58.240 --> 00:07:59.200
  • EVIDENCE OVERWHELMINGLY
  • 00:07:59.200 --> 00:08:01.140
  • SUPPORTS A WORLDWIDE FLOOD AND
  • 00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:02.250
  • REFUTES EVOLUTIONISM.
  • 00:08:02.250 --> 00:08:04.020
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:08:04.020 --> 00:08:06.000
  • AND IF WE WERE TO JUST CLARIFY
  • 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.050
  • IT, WHEN WE SAY EVOLUTION IS
  • 00:08:08.050 --> 00:08:10.020
  • NOT EVEN A GOOD, ROBUST
  • 00:08:10.020 --> 00:08:11.090
  • SCIENTIFIC THEORY, WE'RE
  • 00:08:11.090 --> 00:08:13.210
  • TALKING ABOUT DARWINIAN
  • 00:08:13.210 --> 00:08:14.090
  • EVOLUTION -- MOLECULES TO MAN,
  • 00:08:14.090 --> 00:08:16.130
  • UNIVERSAL COMMON DESCENT.
  • 00:08:16.130 --> 00:08:18.060
  • AND, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE
  • 00:08:18.060 --> 00:08:19.230
  • ALSO TALKING ABOUT VAST AGES OF
  • 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:21.110
  • GEOLOGIC TIME ARE NOT ROBUSTLY
  • 00:08:21.250 --> 00:08:24.250
  • VERIFIED BY EVIDENCE,
  • 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:26.080
  • BY TESTING,
  • 00:08:26.080 --> 00:08:27.140
  • BY OBSERVATION.
  • 00:08:27.140 --> 00:08:30.120
  • BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TEST MILLIONS
  • 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.170
  • OF YEARS OF TIME, CAN YOU?
  • 00:08:31.170 --> 00:08:32.170
  • - MIKE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:08:32.170 --> 00:08:33.110
  • NOBODY'S EVER OBSERVED MILLIONS
  • 00:08:33.110 --> 00:08:34.210
  • OF YEARS, SO IT'S NOT
  • 00:08:34.210 --> 00:08:35.110
  • OBSERVABLE AND IT'S
  • 00:08:35.110 --> 00:08:36.100
  • NOT REPEATABLE.
  • 00:08:36.100 --> 00:08:37.000
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:37.150
  • - MIKE: BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT
  • 00:08:37.150 --> 00:08:38.220
  • OUR STUDENTS ARE GETTING.
  • 00:08:38.220 --> 00:08:39.180
  • WHAT THEY TYPICALLY SEE IS THIS
  • 00:08:39.180 --> 00:08:41.100
  • PICTURE OF A GEOLOGIC COLUMN IN
  • 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:42.030
  • THEIR TEXTBOOKS.
  • 00:08:42.030 --> 00:08:44.090
  • AND THEN, THERE, IN THAT
  • 00:08:44.090 --> 00:08:45.210
  • GEOLOGIC COLUMN, THEY HAVE ALL
  • 00:08:45.210 --> 00:08:48.010
  • THESE FOSSILS IN THERE,
  • 00:08:48.010 --> 00:08:49.010
  • STARTING FROM THE LEAST
  • 00:08:49.010 --> 00:08:49.210
  • COMPLEX, ON THE BOTTOM, GOING
  • 00:08:49.210 --> 00:08:50.210
  • UP TO MORE COMPLEX, AS WE GET
  • 00:08:50.210 --> 00:08:51.130
  • TO THE TOP.
  • 00:08:51.130 --> 00:08:52.000
  • NICELY ORDERED.
  • 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:53.140
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:08:53.140 --> 00:08:54.100
  • - MIKE: WELL, THERE'S TWO VERY
  • 00:08:54.100 --> 00:08:56.210
  • SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THIS,
  • 00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:57.240
  • BIBLICALLY.
  • 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.110
  • NUMBER ONE IS SECULAR HISTORY
  • 00:08:59.110 --> 00:09:00.280
  • DESCRIBES THE PAST.
  • 00:09:00.280 --> 00:09:03.070
  • THAT MEANS THE BOOK OF GENESIS,
  • 00:09:03.070 --> 00:09:04.170
  • AT LEAST THE FIRST 11 CHAPTERS,
  • 00:09:04.170 --> 00:09:05.170
  • ARE WRONG.
  • 00:09:05.170 --> 00:09:06.230
  • - DAVID: HMH.
  • 00:09:06.230 --> 00:09:08.120
  • - MIKE: AND IF GENESIS IS
  • 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:09.230
  • WRONG, WE COME TO THE
  • 00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:10.100
  • SECOND PROBLEM.
  • 00:09:10.100 --> 00:09:10.290
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:09:10.290 --> 00:09:11.290
  • - MIKE: PARTS OF THE NEW
  • 00:09:11.290 --> 00:09:13.000
  • TESTAMENT ARE ALSO WRONG.
  • 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.050
  • LET ME GIVE YOU A COUPLE
  • 00:09:15.050 --> 00:09:15.230
  • SCRIPTURES HERE.
  • 00:09:15.230 --> 00:09:16.210
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:17.150
  • - MIKE: FOR EXAMPLE, 2 TIMOTHY
  • 00:09:17.150 --> 00:09:18.190
  • 3:16 READS: "ALL SCRIPTURE IS
  • 00:09:18.190 --> 00:09:21.060
  • GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD,
  • 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:22.270
  • AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE,
  • 00:09:22.270 --> 00:09:24.090
  • FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION,
  • 00:09:24.090 --> 00:09:25.230
  • FOR INSTRUCTION IN
  • 00:09:25.230 --> 00:09:26.240
  • RIGHTEOUSNESS."
  • 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.140
  • KNOW WHAT IT SAYS THERE?
  • 00:09:28.140 --> 00:09:29.240
  • ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED.
  • 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:30.260
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:09:30.260 --> 00:09:32.000
  • - MIKE: IF GENESIS, THE FIRST
  • 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:32.210
  • CHAPTERS, ARE WRONG, THEN GOD
  • 00:09:32.210 --> 00:09:33.170
  • BREATHED ERROR.
  • 00:09:33.170 --> 00:09:35.200
  • - DAVID: WHOA...
  • 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:36.100
  • - MIKE: WE HAVE A SERIOUS
  • 00:09:36.100 --> 00:09:36.290
  • ISSUE, THERE.
  • 00:09:36.290 --> 00:09:37.120
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:38.080
  • - MIKE: THEN, WE CAN TURN TO
  • 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:39.020
  • JOHN 17:17, WHERE IT READS THIS
  • 00:09:39.020 --> 00:09:40.190
  • WAY: "SANCTIFY THEM BY
  • 00:09:40.190 --> 00:09:42.110
  • YOUR TRUTH.
  • 00:09:42.110 --> 00:09:44.140
  • YOUR WORD IS TRUTH."
  • 00:09:44.140 --> 00:09:46.280
  • - DAVID: HMH.
  • 00:09:46.280 --> 00:09:48.040
  • - MIKE: HOW CAN GOD'S WORD BE
  • 00:09:48.040 --> 00:09:50.080
  • TRUE IF THE FIRST CHAPTERS OF
  • 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:51.020
  • GENESIS ARE WRONG?
  • 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.080
  • SO, NOT ONLY IS THE OLD
  • 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:55.180
  • TESTAMENT WRONG, IF WE
  • 00:09:55.180 --> 00:09:57.060
  • REINTERPRET IT THERE; WE'VE
  • 00:09:57.060 --> 00:09:58.290
  • JUST OBLITERATED PARTS OF
  • 00:09:58.290 --> 00:09:59.180
  • THE NEW TESTAMENT.
  • 00:09:59.180 --> 00:10:00.240
  • - DAVID: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.180
  • AND WE KNOW WHO THE WORD IS,
  • 00:10:01.180 --> 00:10:02.080
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:02.190
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:10:02.190 --> 00:10:03.030
  • SO--
  • 00:10:03.030 --> 00:10:04.100
  • - DAVID: BUT-- BUT, ALSO, WE
  • 00:10:04.100 --> 00:10:05.270
  • READ THAT EVERY WORD OF GOD
  • 00:10:05.270 --> 00:10:07.010
  • IS PURE.
  • 00:10:07.010 --> 00:10:08.090
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:10:08.090 --> 00:10:09.270
  • - DAVID: IT SAYS, "ADD THOU
  • 00:10:09.270 --> 00:10:10.170
  • NOT UNTO HIS WORDS, LEST HE
  • 00:10:10.170 --> 00:10:11.070
  • REPROVE THEE, AND THOU BE
  • 00:10:11.070 --> 00:10:11.260
  • FOUND A LIAR."
  • 00:10:11.260 --> 00:10:12.090
  • BUT-- BECAUSE WE'RE A LIAR IF
  • 00:10:13.210 --> 00:10:15.050
  • WE SAY THAT GOD IS BREATHING
  • 00:10:15.050 --> 00:10:17.240
  • NON-TRUTHS.
  • 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:19.050
  • - MIKE: RIGHT.
  • 00:10:19.050 --> 00:10:19.190
  • - DAVID: HE...KNOWS BEST.
  • 00:10:19.190 --> 00:10:20.240
  • HE CREATED THE UNIVERSE!
  • 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.290
  • - MIKE: AND PEOPLE SAY, "OH,
  • 00:10:22.290 --> 00:10:23.200
  • THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO
  • 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:24.070
  • INTERPRET IT."
  • 00:10:24.070 --> 00:10:24.280
  • YEAH, THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBLE
  • 00:10:24.280 --> 00:10:25.260
  • WAYS PEOPLE INTERPRET IT.
  • 00:10:25.260 --> 00:10:26.220
  • ONLY ONE OF 'EM CAN BE CORRECT.
  • 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:27.140
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:10:27.140 --> 00:10:28.250
  • - MIKE: EITHER GOD'S WORD IS
  • 00:10:28.250 --> 00:10:29.190
  • TRUE OR IT'S NOT.
  • 00:10:29.190 --> 00:10:31.020
  • AND IF IT'S NOT THERE, THEN
  • 00:10:31.020 --> 00:10:32.060
  • LET'S GET RID OF SOME OF THE
  • 00:10:32.060 --> 00:10:33.100
  • NEW TESTAMENT.
  • 00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:34.130
  • - DAVID: AND IT'S CLEAR...
  • 00:10:34.130 --> 00:10:35.140
  • FROM THE CONTEXT.
  • 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:35.290
  • ALL RIGHT, LET'S LOOK, NOW, AT
  • 00:10:37.260 --> 00:10:40.260
  • THESE FOSSILS, ESPECIALLY-- I
  • 00:10:40.260 --> 00:10:42.060
  • WANNA START AT THE VERY BOTTOM
  • 00:10:42.060 --> 00:10:44.050
  • LAYER OF THE GEOLOGIC COLUMN,
  • 00:10:44.050 --> 00:10:45.050
  • BECAUSE, THESE ARE THE ONES
  • 00:10:48.130 --> 00:10:49.030
  • THAT EVOLVED FIRST, MILLIONS
  • 00:10:49.030 --> 00:10:50.040
  • AND MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO.
  • 00:10:50.040 --> 00:10:50.270
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:10:50.270 --> 00:10:51.270
  • - DAVID: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
  • 00:10:51.270 --> 00:10:52.170
  • TOLD.
  • 00:10:52.170 --> 00:10:52.260
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:10:52.260 --> 00:10:53.190
  • WE CALL IT THE PRECAMBRIAN
  • 00:10:53.190 --> 00:10:55.030
  • EXPLOSION.
  • 00:10:55.030 --> 00:10:55.160
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:10:55.160 --> 00:10:56.010
  • - MIKE: NOW, DON'T GET THE
  • 00:10:56.010 --> 00:10:56.210
  • IDEA OF A DYNAMITE EXPLOSION.
  • 00:10:56.210 --> 00:10:58.020
  • THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:10:58.020 --> 00:10:58.230
  • ABOUT, HERE.
  • 00:10:58.230 --> 00:10:59.150
  • WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A
  • 00:10:59.150 --> 00:11:01.020
  • TREMENDOUS EXPLOSION OF NEW
  • 00:11:01.020 --> 00:11:01.230
  • CREATURES APPEARING IN
  • 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:03.020
  • THE FOSSIL RECORD.
  • 00:11:03.020 --> 00:11:04.030
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:11:04.030 --> 00:11:04.170
  • - MIKE: NOW, I LIKED WHAT YOU
  • 00:11:04.170 --> 00:11:05.240
  • SAID -- THE BOTTOM LAYERS.
  • 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.020
  • NOW, IF WE WANNA BE MORE
  • 00:11:07.020 --> 00:11:08.040
  • SCIENTIFIC, WE CAN SAY THE
  • 00:11:08.040 --> 00:11:09.040
  • PRECAMBRIAN AND
  • 00:11:09.040 --> 00:11:10.110
  • CAMBRIAN LAYERS.
  • 00:11:10.110 --> 00:11:11.030
  • BUT IF YOU CAN'T REMEMBER THAT,
  • 00:11:11.030 --> 00:11:12.090
  • I DO LIKE YOU DO --
  • 00:11:12.090 --> 00:11:12.270
  • "THE BOTTOM LAYERS."
  • 00:11:12.270 --> 00:11:14.080
  • - DAVID: BOTTOM LAYER.
  • 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:14.280
  • - MIKE: THAT MAKES IT REALLY
  • 00:11:14.280 --> 00:11:15.190
  • SIMPLE AND EASY.
  • 00:11:15.190 --> 00:11:16.040
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:16.200
  • LET'S KEEP SCIENCE EASY, THERE.
  • 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:17.120
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:17.280
  • - MIKE: NOW, WHAT'S SO
  • 00:11:17.280 --> 00:11:18.160
  • IMPORTANT DOWN THERE
  • 00:11:18.160 --> 00:11:19.020
  • AT THE BOTTOM LAYERS?
  • 00:11:19.020 --> 00:11:20.290
  • WELL, WHAT WE FIND DOWN THERE
  • 00:11:20.290 --> 00:11:21.200
  • ARE FOSSILS OF SINGLE CELLS.
  • 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.220
  • THAT'S WHAT WE FIND --
  • 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:24.160
  • FOSSILS AND IMPRINTS
  • 00:11:24.160 --> 00:11:26.100
  • OF SINGLE CELLS.
  • 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:27.060
  • THEN, WE FIND FOSSILS OF
  • 00:11:27.060 --> 00:11:27.240
  • VERY COMPLEX CREATURES,
  • 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:28.140
  • LIKE TRILOBITES...
  • 00:11:28.140 --> 00:11:30.020
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:11:30.020 --> 00:11:31.170
  • - MIKE: ...HAVE A VERY COMPLEX
  • 00:11:31.170 --> 00:11:32.090
  • EYE MECHANISM.
  • 00:11:32.090 --> 00:11:32.220
  • WE FIND SEASHELLS,
  • 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:34.160
  • JELLYFISH, AND EVEN SOME FISH,
  • 00:11:34.160 --> 00:11:36.050
  • DOWN THERE.
  • 00:11:36.050 --> 00:11:37.130
  • BUT WHAT'S MORE INTERESTING IS
  • 00:11:42.030 --> 00:11:43.010
  • WHAT WE DON'T FIND.
  • 00:11:43.010 --> 00:11:43.230
  • AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DON'T
  • 00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:44.190
  • TEACH IN THE TEXTBOOKS.
  • 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:45.150
  • - MIKE: WHAT WE DON'T FIND
  • 00:11:46.220 --> 00:11:47.240
  • DOWN THERE ARE ANY TRANSITIONS
  • 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:48.230
  • FROM A SINGLE CELL UP TO ALL
  • 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:50.240
  • THOSE COMPLEX CREATURES.
  • 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:51.270
  • ALMOST EVERY BODY SHAPE SHOWS
  • 00:11:51.270 --> 00:11:52.200
  • UP THERE.
  • 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.050
  • THEY USE A FANCY WORD
  • 00:11:54.050 --> 00:11:54.220
  • LIKE PHYLA.
  • 00:11:54.220 --> 00:11:55.290
  • WE'LL JUST SAY "BODY SHAPES."
  • 00:11:55.290 --> 00:11:56.280
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM, MM-HMM.
  • 00:11:56.280 --> 00:11:57.170
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:57.170 --> 00:11:58.120
  • - MIKE: I LIKE SIMPLE.
  • 00:11:58.120 --> 00:11:59.030
  • THEY ALL SHOW UP
  • 00:11:59.030 --> 00:11:59.170
  • WITH ZERO --
  • 00:11:59.170 --> 00:12:01.240
  • NO REAL TRANSITIONS!
  • 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.000
  • IT'S AS IF--
  • 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.100
  • THIS MIGHT SURPRISE YOU --
  • 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:05.290
  • THEY WERE ALL CREATED
  • 00:12:05.290 --> 00:12:06.250
  • AFTER THEIR KIND.
  • 00:12:06.250 --> 00:12:07.220
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:12:07.220 --> 00:12:09.190
  • IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE IN THE
  • 00:12:09.190 --> 00:12:10.110
  • FOSSIL RECORD, DOWN THERE.
  • 00:12:10.110 --> 00:12:11.040
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:12.160
  • - MIKE: WE WIN THE FOSSIL
  • 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:13.170
  • RECORD, RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:12:13.170 --> 00:12:14.030
  • THEY LOSE.
  • 00:12:14.030 --> 00:12:14.140
  • THE EVOLUTIONISTS LOSE.
  • 00:12:14.140 --> 00:12:15.160
  • - DAVID: --THIS CAMBRIAN-- IT
  • 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:17.130
  • GOES PRECAMBRIAN, CAMBRIAN.
  • 00:12:17.130 --> 00:12:19.230
  • IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE VERY
  • 00:12:19.230 --> 00:12:20.150
  • LOWEST LAYERS AND LOOK AT THE
  • 00:12:21.020 --> 00:12:24.020
  • ANIMALS IN THOSE LAYERS,
  • 00:12:24.020 --> 00:12:25.060
  • YOU'RE SAYING, YES,
  • 00:12:25.060 --> 00:12:25.240
  • WE WOULD FIND
  • 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:26.210
  • SINGLE-CELLED ORGANISMS,
  • 00:12:26.210 --> 00:12:27.170
  • BUT JUMBLED UP WITH THOSE
  • 00:12:32.250 --> 00:12:34.030
  • SINGLE-CELLED ORGANISMS ARE
  • 00:12:34.030 --> 00:12:35.060
  • COMPLETELY FULLY-FORMED FOSSILS
  • 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:36.170
  • OF THINGS LIKE TRILOBITES WITH
  • 00:12:36.170 --> 00:12:37.260
  • COMPOUND EYES, WITH COMPLEX
  • 00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:38.270
  • MUSCULAR SYSTEMS AND
  • 00:12:38.270 --> 00:12:40.160
  • SKELETAL SYSTEMS.
  • 00:12:40.160 --> 00:12:42.040
  • WE WOULD FIND THINGS...LIKE
  • 00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:44.040
  • SHELLS OF ALL SHAPES AND KINDS.
  • 00:12:44.040 --> 00:12:45.260
  • AND, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S SKEWED
  • 00:12:45.260 --> 00:12:48.160
  • TOWARD MARINE LIFE.
  • 00:12:48.160 --> 00:12:50.110
  • IS THAT BECAUSE MARINE LIFE
  • 00:12:50.110 --> 00:12:51.180
  • DEVELOPED FIRST, MILLIONS
  • 00:12:51.180 --> 00:12:52.270
  • OF YEARS AGO?
  • 00:12:52.270 --> 00:12:53.270
  • OR-- WHY WOULD WE SEE MORE
  • 00:12:53.270 --> 00:12:55.040
  • MARINE LIFE IN THE
  • 00:12:55.040 --> 00:12:56.040
  • - MIKE: WELL, THAT GOES TO
  • 00:12:59.020 --> 00:12:59.220
  • THE FLOOD.
  • 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:01.030
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:13:01.030 --> 00:13:01.270
  • - MIKE: NOW, WE TALK ABOUT
  • 00:13:01.270 --> 00:13:02.170
  • THIS TREMENDOUS GEOLOGIC COLUMN
  • 00:13:02.170 --> 00:13:03.090
  • IN THERE AND THIS NICELY
  • 00:13:03.090 --> 00:13:03.270
  • ORDERED FASHION.
  • 00:13:03.270 --> 00:13:04.110
  • THAT'S NOT WHAT WE FIND.
  • 00:13:04.110 --> 00:13:05.100
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:06.010
  • - MIKE: IN OTHER WORDS, THE
  • 00:13:06.010 --> 00:13:06.280
  • OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE DOES NOT
  • 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:08.010
  • AGREE WITH WHAT WE SEE
  • 00:13:08.010 --> 00:13:09.120
  • IN OUR TEXTBOOKS.
  • 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.000
  • IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WOULD A
  • 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:12.200
  • WORLDWIDE FLOOD DO?
  • 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:13.120
  • WELL, WE'VE GOT THESE GREAT
  • 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:14.100
  • TECTONIC MOVEMENTS IN THERE.
  • 00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:15.200
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:16.250
  • - MIKE: VOLCANISM GOING
  • 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:17.180
  • ON IN THERE.
  • 00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:19.220
  • AND, ALL THESE TECTONIC
  • 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:20.280
  • MOVEMENTS WOULD CAUSE WHAT
  • 00:13:20.280 --> 00:13:21.190
  • WE CALL TSUNAMIS.
  • 00:13:21.190 --> 00:13:22.180
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:13:22.180 --> 00:13:23.030
  • - MIKE: IT'S ONE OF THOSE HARD
  • 00:13:23.030 --> 00:13:24.130
  • WORDS TO SPELL.
  • 00:13:24.130 --> 00:13:25.080
  • - DAVID: TSUNAMIS, YES.
  • 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:25.260
  • - MIKE: DOESN'T START
  • 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:26.260
  • WITH AN "S".
  • 00:13:26.260 --> 00:13:27.240
  • TSUNAMIS -- UNDERWATER TIDAL
  • 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:28.160
  • WAVES IS WHAT THEY ARE.
  • 00:13:28.160 --> 00:13:29.190
  • GOING ALONG THE BOTTOM OF
  • 00:13:29.190 --> 00:13:30.240
  • THOSE OCEANS AT TREMENDOUS
  • 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.080
  • SPEEDS -- GUESS WHAT
  • 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:33.140
  • THEY'RE DOING?
  • 00:13:33.140 --> 00:13:33.290
  • BURYING MARINE CREATURES.
  • 00:13:33.290 --> 00:13:35.290
  • - DAVID: OH...
  • 00:13:35.290 --> 00:13:37.020
  • - MIKE: THEY'RE AT THE LOWEST
  • 00:13:37.020 --> 00:13:37.230
  • LEVEL, SO THEY'RE BEING
  • 00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:39.030
  • BURIED FIRST.
  • 00:13:39.030 --> 00:13:40.120
  • SO, THAT'S WHAT WE'D EXPECT TO
  • 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:42.030
  • FIND DOWN THERE.
  • 00:13:42.030 --> 00:13:42.200
  • - DAVID: THE SEDIMENTS ON THE
  • 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.050
  • BOTTOMS OF THE OCEAN -- RIGHT?
  • 00:13:44.050 --> 00:13:45.270
  • -- ARE BEING STIRRED UP WITH
  • 00:13:45.270 --> 00:13:46.210
  • THESE WAVES AND IT'S BURYING
  • 00:13:46.210 --> 00:13:48.070
  • CREATURES VERY RAPIDLY, SO
  • 00:13:48.070 --> 00:13:49.270
  • RAPIDLY THAT IT PRESERVES
  • 00:13:50.170 --> 00:13:53.170
  • THEIR SHAPE.
  • 00:13:53.170 --> 00:13:54.130
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:13:54.130 --> 00:13:55.220
  • - DAVID: IT PRESERVES ALL
  • 00:13:55.220 --> 00:13:56.110
  • OF THE DETAIL.
  • 00:13:56.110 --> 00:13:56.240
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:57.260
  • - DAVID: AND THAT'S-- YOU'RE
  • 00:13:57.260 --> 00:13:59.000
  • SAYING THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE
  • 00:13:59.000 --> 00:13:59.210
  • WOULD EXPECT, IF THE BIBLE
  • 00:13:59.210 --> 00:14:00.140
  • IS TRUE?
  • 00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:01.230
  • - MIKE: AND THAT'S WHAT WE
  • 00:14:01.230 --> 00:14:02.170
  • FIND DOWN THERE, TOO.
  • 00:14:02.170 --> 00:14:03.160
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:04.250
  • - MIKE: SO, THE OBSERVATIONAL
  • 00:14:04.250 --> 00:14:05.160
  • EVIDENCE MATCHES WHAT A
  • 00:14:05.160 --> 00:14:06.040
  • FLOOD WOULD DO.
  • 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:06.180
  • - DAVID: I LOVE IT.
  • 00:14:06.180 --> 00:14:07.120
  • - MIKE: THEN, WE HAVE THE
  • 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.010
  • CREATURES THAT LIVE IN--
  • 00:14:08.010 --> 00:14:08.260
  • PART-TIME ON LAND AND PART SEA.
  • 00:14:08.260 --> 00:14:10.080
  • THEY SHOULD COME NEXT.
  • 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:11.150
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:14:11.150 --> 00:14:12.040
  • - MIKE: THEY'RE CALLED
  • 00:14:12.040 --> 00:14:12.220
  • AMPHIBIANS.
  • 00:14:12.220 --> 00:14:13.050
  • THEN, THE MOST MOBILE CREATURES
  • 00:14:13.050 --> 00:14:14.190
  • WE SHOULD FIND ON THE TOP.
  • 00:14:14.190 --> 00:14:15.250
  • AND, WE SHOULD ALSO FIND 'EM
  • 00:14:15.250 --> 00:14:16.250
  • ALL MIXED AROUND IN PLACES
  • 00:14:16.250 --> 00:14:17.290
  • AND OUT OF ORDER.
  • 00:14:17.290 --> 00:14:19.060
  • GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:14:19.060 --> 00:14:20.090
  • THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE OBSERVE
  • 00:14:20.090 --> 00:14:21.200
  • IS NOT THIS NICE, NEAT
  • 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:22.220
  • LITTLE COLUMN.
  • 00:14:22.220 --> 00:14:24.020
  • WE FIND MAMMALS MIXED WITH
  • 00:14:24.020 --> 00:14:25.210
  • FISH, CREATURES.
  • 00:14:25.210 --> 00:14:27.010
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:14:27.010 --> 00:14:27.190
  • - MIKE: WE FIND ALL SORTS OF
  • 00:14:27.190 --> 00:14:28.250
  • OUT-OF-PLACE AND MIXED
  • 00:14:28.250 --> 00:14:30.140
  • CREATURES, NOT THIS NICE, NEAT
  • 00:14:30.140 --> 00:14:31.290
  • LITTLE PICTURE PRESENTED
  • 00:14:31.290 --> 00:14:33.060
  • IN THE TEXTBOOKS.
  • 00:14:33.060 --> 00:14:33.250
  • - DAVID: OK.
  • 00:14:33.250 --> 00:14:35.190
  • WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE
  • 00:14:35.190 --> 00:14:37.160
  • LIVING FOSSILS?
  • 00:14:37.160 --> 00:14:38.020
  • - MIKE: WELL, LIVING FOSSILS.
  • 00:14:38.020 --> 00:14:40.200
  • UH, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:41.100
  • ME, NOW, ARE YOU?
  • 00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:41.250
  • - DAVID: (LAUGHING) NO, NO.
  • 00:14:41.250 --> 00:14:42.210
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:14:42.210 --> 00:14:43.040
  • - MIKE: OKAY.
  • 00:14:43.040 --> 00:14:44.000
  • - DAVID: NO. THERE'S
  • 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:44.170
  • THIS TERM.
  • 00:14:44.170 --> 00:14:46.190
  • SO, FOR INSTANCE, I WAS IN AN
  • 00:14:46.190 --> 00:14:47.250
  • AQUARIUM IN, UM...MYRTLE BEACH,
  • 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.130
  • SOUTH CAROLINA.
  • 00:14:49.130 --> 00:14:52.100
  • AND THEY HAD THIS
  • 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:52.250
  • GIANT DISPLAY!
  • 00:14:52.250 --> 00:14:54.120
  • IT SAID "LIVING FOSSILS."
  • 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:55.130
  • AND THEY HAD THIS POOL WITH
  • 00:14:55.130 --> 00:14:58.110
  • HORSESHOE CRABS FLOATING AROUND
  • 00:14:58.110 --> 00:14:59.270
  • IN THERE -- LIVE HORSESHOE
  • 00:14:59.270 --> 00:15:00.260
  • CRABS FLOATING AROUND IN THIS
  • 00:15:00.260 --> 00:15:01.290
  • LITTLE POOL.
  • 00:15:01.290 --> 00:15:04.070
  • AND THEN, THEY HAD THIS
  • 00:15:04.070 --> 00:15:06.060
  • DISPLAY WITH FOSSILS --
  • 00:15:06.060 --> 00:15:07.140
  • THINGS TURNED TO ROCK --
  • 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:08.240
  • CALLED HORSESHOE CRABS.
  • 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.110
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:15:10.110 --> 00:15:10.240
  • - DAVID: THEY LOOKED
  • 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:11.110
  • IDENTICAL.
  • 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:11.220
  • WHAT A LIVING FOSSIL IS -- WE
  • 00:15:14.060 --> 00:15:15.060
  • HAVE CREATURES LIVING TODAY AND
  • 00:15:15.060 --> 00:15:16.040
  • THEN WE FIND THEIR FOSSILS THAT
  • 00:15:16.040 --> 00:15:16.290
  • ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MILLIONS
  • 00:15:16.290 --> 00:15:17.190
  • OF YEARS OLD,
  • 00:15:17.190 --> 00:15:18.020
  • AND THE LIVING CREATURE
  • 00:15:18.020 --> 00:15:19.290
  • LOOKS IDENTICAL TO
  • 00:15:19.290 --> 00:15:21.050
  • THEIR FOSSIL.
  • 00:15:21.050 --> 00:15:22.030
  • - DAVID: OH...
  • 00:15:22.030 --> 00:15:22.190
  • - MIKE: THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY
  • 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:23.110
  • LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE
  • 00:15:24.290 --> 00:15:25.200
  • OF ONES.
  • 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:26.000
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:26.140
  • - MIKE: THEY DON'T LIKE TO PUT
  • 00:15:26.140 --> 00:15:27.060
  • THESE IN TEXTBOOKS TOO MUCH.
  • 00:15:27.060 --> 00:15:27.260
  • BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT TURTLES --
  • 00:15:27.260 --> 00:15:28.290
  • WE HAVE A PICTURE OF A
  • 00:15:28.290 --> 00:15:30.230
  • FOSSIL TURTLE AND A PICTURE
  • 00:15:30.230 --> 00:15:31.270
  • OF A LIVING TURTLE -- THEY
  • 00:15:31.270 --> 00:15:33.020
  • DON'T LOOK ANY DIFFERENT,
  • 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:33.210
  • DO THEY?
  • 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:34.150
  • - DAVID: NO.
  • 00:15:34.150 --> 00:15:34.290
  • - MIKE: THEY LOOK EXACTLY THE
  • 00:15:34.290 --> 00:15:35.200
  • SAME.
  • 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.110
  • THEN, WE HAVE FOSSIL FROGS.
  • 00:15:36.110 --> 00:15:37.080
  • GUESS WHAT FOSSIL FROGS
  • 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.020
  • LOOK LIKE?
  • 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:38.250
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:15:38.250 --> 00:15:39.200
  • - DAVID: LIVING FROGS.
  • 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.200
  • - MIKE: IT'S KIND OF HARD TO
  • 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:41.110
  • IDENTITY 'EM, SO WE HAVE TO--
  • 00:15:41.110 --> 00:15:42.020
  • LOOK DIFFERENT--
  • 00:15:42.020 --> 00:15:42.160
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:15:42.160 --> 00:15:43.020
  • - MIKE: THEN, WE HAVE WHAT ARE
  • 00:15:43.260 --> 00:15:46.260
  • CALLED COELACANTH FISH.
  • 00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:48.250
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:15:48.250 --> 00:15:49.130
  • - MIKE: UH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED
  • 00:15:49.130 --> 00:15:50.060
  • TO HAVE BEEN EXTINCT FOR 70
  • 00:15:50.060 --> 00:15:51.110
  • MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:15:51.110 --> 00:15:51.240
  • - DAVID: THAT ONE'S
  • 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.270
  • INTERESTING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:52.270 --> 00:15:53.190
  • IT WAS ASSUMED--
  • 00:15:53.190 --> 00:15:55.270
  • WE FOUND THEM IN THE FOSSIL
  • 00:15:55.270 --> 00:15:56.210
  • RECORD LONG BEFORE WE FOUND
  • 00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:57.280
  • THEM LIVING, BECAUSE THEY LIVE
  • 00:15:57.280 --> 00:15:59.160
  • IN THE DEEP OCEAN WATERS.
  • 00:15:59.160 --> 00:16:00.110
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:16:00.110 --> 00:16:00.280
  • - DAVID: AND THEN, YOU HAD
  • 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:02.040
  • THESE FISHERMEN WHO DREDGED UP
  • 00:16:02.040 --> 00:16:03.060
  • ONE ALIVE, RIGHT?
  • 00:16:03.060 --> 00:16:04.120
  • AND THEY'RE LIKE: "WE'VE NEVER
  • 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.050
  • SEEN THIS FISH BEFORE.
  • 00:16:06.050 --> 00:16:07.190
  • WELL, WE BETTER CATALOGUE IT
  • 00:16:07.190 --> 00:16:09.120
  • BECAUSE THIS COULD BE
  • 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:10.170
  • GOOD FOR SCIENCE."
  • 00:16:10.170 --> 00:16:11.090
  • SCIENTISTS START LOOKING AT
  • 00:16:11.090 --> 00:16:13.000
  • THIS FISH AND THEY SAID: "WAIT,
  • 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:15.290
  • WAIT, WAIT, WAIT A SECOND!
  • 00:16:15.290 --> 00:16:17.110
  • THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE WHAT WE
  • 00:16:17.110 --> 00:16:19.180
  • SAW IN THE FOSSIL RECORD THAT
  • 00:16:19.180 --> 00:16:20.290
  • WE HAVE IN OUR BOOKS AS GOING
  • 00:16:20.290 --> 00:16:22.170
  • EXTINCT OVER 60 MILLION
  • 00:16:22.170 --> 00:16:24.220
  • YEARS AGO."
  • 00:16:24.220 --> 00:16:25.130
  • - MIKE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:16:25.130 --> 00:16:26.090
  • AND, YOU KNOW THE OTHER
  • 00:16:26.090 --> 00:16:26.270
  • FASCINATING THING?
  • 00:16:26.270 --> 00:16:27.120
  • THE SEA THAT CAN'T FISH.
  • 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.100
  • THEY MISINTERPRETED THIS
  • 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:30.260
  • THING.
  • 00:16:30.260 --> 00:16:31.260
  • THEY SAID IT WAS GROWING LEGS,
  • 00:16:31.260 --> 00:16:33.130
  • BECOMING AN AMPHIBIAN, BASED ON
  • 00:16:33.130 --> 00:16:35.080
  • THE FOSSIL RECORD EVIDENCE.
  • 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:36.030
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:16:36.030 --> 00:16:36.220
  • WELL, WHEN WE FOUND 'EM ALIVE,
  • 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:37.130
  • GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:16:37.130 --> 00:16:37.260
  • THEY HAD NO LEGS.
  • 00:16:37.260 --> 00:16:39.060
  • - DAVID: THEY DIDN'T KNOW--
  • 00:16:39.060 --> 00:16:39.260
  • - MIKE: THEY STILL LOOKED
  • 00:16:39.260 --> 00:16:40.200
  • LIKE FISH.
  • 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:41.060
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:16:41.060 --> 00:16:41.190
  • MISINTERPRETATION OF THE
  • 00:16:41.190 --> 00:16:42.070
  • FOSSIL RECORD.
  • 00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:42.200
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:43.070
  • - MIKE: THEN, WE HAVE
  • 00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:43.240
  • ELEPHANT SHARKS.
  • 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:44.180
  • ACCORDING TO-- NOW, ALL THE
  • 00:16:44.180 --> 00:16:46.050
  • TIMING OF 'EM, AGAIN, THESE
  • 00:16:46.050 --> 00:16:47.100
  • MILLIONS OF YEARS, ACCORDING
  • 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.050
  • TO EVOLUTIONISTS --
  • 00:16:49.050 --> 00:16:49.210
  • NOT BASED ON REAL TIME.
  • 00:16:49.210 --> 00:16:50.100
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:50.240
  • - MIKE: BUT THEY HAVEN'T
  • 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.040
  • CHANGED IN 420 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:16:52.040 --> 00:16:53.190
  • CROCODILES HAVE NOT CHANGED IN
  • 00:16:53.190 --> 00:16:55.050
  • OVER 90 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:16:55.050 --> 00:16:56.160
  • - DAVID: WHOA.
  • 00:16:56.160 --> 00:16:57.220
  • - MIKE: HORSESHOE CRABS -- NO
  • 00:16:57.220 --> 00:16:58.260
  • CHANGE IN 450 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:16:58.260 --> 00:17:00.210
  • THE NAUTILUS -- NO CHANGE IN
  • 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:02.140
  • 500 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:02.140 --> 00:17:04.080
  • THIS ONE-- TUATARA LIZARD.
  • 00:17:04.080 --> 00:17:06.170
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:17:06.170 --> 00:17:07.120
  • - MIKE: NOW, I LIKE THOSE.
  • 00:17:07.120 --> 00:17:08.150
  • THESE ARE THE ONES THEY USE
  • 00:17:08.150 --> 00:17:09.050
  • IN DINOSAUR MOVIES.
  • 00:17:09.050 --> 00:17:10.070
  • PUT A LITTLE DRESSING ON 'EM
  • 00:17:10.070 --> 00:17:11.060
  • AND THEY LOOK LIKE DINOSAURS.
  • 00:17:11.060 --> 00:17:12.130
  • - DAVID: OKAY...OKAY.
  • 00:17:12.130 --> 00:17:13.000
  • - MIKE: NO CHANGE IN THOSE IN
  • 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.040
  • 200 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:14.040 --> 00:17:15.120
  • - DAVID: UH-HUH.
  • 00:17:15.120 --> 00:17:15.270
  • - MIKE: SCORPIONS -- NO
  • 00:17:15.270 --> 00:17:16.240
  • CHANGE...IN MANY MILLIONS
  • 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.110
  • OF YEARS.
  • 00:17:19.110 --> 00:17:19.270
  • - DAVID: THREE HUNDRED
  • 00:17:19.270 --> 00:17:20.150
  • MILLION?
  • 00:17:20.150 --> 00:17:20.250
  • - MIKE: JELLYFISH.
  • 00:17:20.250 --> 00:17:21.110
  • NO CHANGE IN 500 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:21.110 --> 00:17:22.120
  • THERE'S A SCARY ONE.
  • 00:17:22.120 --> 00:17:23.060
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:17:23.060 --> 00:17:24.080
  • HUNTSMAN SPIDER -- THEY CAN GET
  • 00:17:24.080 --> 00:17:25.000
  • PRETTY BIG--
  • 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:25.190
  • - DAVID: OOH...
  • 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:26.030
  • - MIKE: NO CHANGE IN 50
  • 00:17:26.030 --> 00:17:26.210
  • MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:26.210 --> 00:17:27.040
  • - DAVID: I'M NOT A
  • 00:17:27.040 --> 00:17:28.020
  • FAN OF THOSE.
  • 00:17:28.020 --> 00:17:28.290
  • - MIKE: DRAGONFLIES -- NO
  • 00:17:28.290 --> 00:17:29.180
  • CHANGE IN 230 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:29.180 --> 00:17:30.250
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:17:30.250 --> 00:17:31.210
  • - MIKE: THERE'S A PLANT --
  • 00:17:31.210 --> 00:17:32.110
  • WOLLEMI PINE.
  • 00:17:32.110 --> 00:17:33.100
  • NO CHANGE IN 150 MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:33.100 --> 00:17:34.200
  • BATS CHANGE IN 52 MILLION
  • 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.130
  • YEARS.
  • 00:17:36.130 --> 00:17:37.150
  • STARFISH -- NO CHANGE IN 150
  • 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:39.240
  • MILLION YEARS.
  • 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.260
  • WHERE'S THE EVOLUTION THERE?
  • 00:17:40.260 --> 00:17:41.190
  • - DAVID: ALL OF THESE
  • 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.240
  • CREATURES...AND THEY SHOW
  • 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:45.270
  • VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL FEATURES,
  • 00:17:45.270 --> 00:17:47.210
  • IN THE FOSSIL RECORD, AS THEY
  • 00:17:47.210 --> 00:17:49.140
  • HAVE TODAY?
  • 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:50.090
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:17:50.090 --> 00:17:51.060
  • - DAVID: AND YET, THE FOSSIL
  • 00:17:51.060 --> 00:17:52.100
  • RECORD IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
  • 00:17:52.100 --> 00:17:53.160
  • RECORD OF EVOLUTION OVER
  • 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.020
  • MILLIONS AND MILLION OF YEARS.
  • 00:17:55.100 --> 00:17:58.100
  • "IF THERE'S NO CHANGE, WHERE'S
  • 00:17:58.100 --> 00:18:00.120
  • THE EVOLUTION?" YOU'RE SAYING.
  • 00:18:00.120 --> 00:18:02.020
  • - MIKE: WELL, HERE'S
  • 00:18:02.020 --> 00:18:02.230
  • THE ANSWER.
  • 00:18:02.230 --> 00:18:03.080
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:03.080 --> 00:18:04.060
  • - MIKE: 'CAUSE I-- I GREW UP
  • 00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:04.270
  • AN EVOLUTIONIST AND I KNOW A
  • 00:18:04.270 --> 00:18:05.250
  • LOT OF THESE ANSWERS.
  • 00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:07.090
  • CERTAIN CREATURES ARE WELL
  • 00:18:07.090 --> 00:18:08.240
  • ADAPTED TO THEIR ENVIRONMENT
  • 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:09.290
  • AND DON'T NEED TO CHANGE.
  • 00:18:09.290 --> 00:18:10.240
  • - DAVID: AND THAT'S--
  • 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:11.150
  • - MIKE: THAT'S CALLED A
  • 00:18:11.150 --> 00:18:12.200
  • RESCUE MECHANISM.
  • 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:13.090
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:18:13.090 --> 00:18:13.230
  • SO-- SO, THEY HAVE ANOTHER BIG
  • 00:18:13.230 --> 00:18:14.260
  • WORD CALLED "STASIS" FOR THAT.
  • 00:18:14.260 --> 00:18:16.020
  • BUT, BASICALLY, WE HAVE
  • 00:18:16.020 --> 00:18:17.170
  • A WORD FOR THAT.
  • 00:18:17.170 --> 00:18:18.280
  • IT'S A "RESCUING MECHANISM."
  • 00:18:18.280 --> 00:18:20.140
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:18:20.140 --> 00:18:21.060
  • - DAVID: IT'S THIS MAGIC
  • 00:18:21.060 --> 00:18:22.190
  • THING THAT THEY CAN IMPLY
  • 00:18:22.190 --> 00:18:24.200
  • ANYTIME THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T
  • 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.190
  • FIT THEIR NARRATIVE.
  • 00:18:26.190 --> 00:18:29.060
  • - MIKE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:18:29.060 --> 00:18:29.290
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:18:29.290 --> 00:18:30.270
  • - MIKE: SO-- BUT, BASICALLY,
  • 00:18:30.270 --> 00:18:32.160
  • NO EVOLUTION THERE AT ALL.
  • 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.160
  • WE CAN DO THIS WITH MANY
  • 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:35.060
  • OTHER CREATURES.
  • 00:18:35.060 --> 00:18:36.120
  • - DAVID: LET'S LOOK AT
  • 00:18:36.120 --> 00:18:37.150
  • FOSSIL GRAVEYARDS.
  • 00:18:37.150 --> 00:18:39.040
  • BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE CAN
  • 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:40.040
  • LEARN A LOT FROM THE FACT THAT
  • 00:18:40.040 --> 00:18:42.000
  • WE FIND THESE AREAS SO RICH
  • 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.020
  • WITH ALL OF THESE FOSSILS
  • 00:18:44.020 --> 00:18:46.280
  • JUMBLED IN TOGETHER, ALMOST
  • 00:18:46.280 --> 00:18:48.170
  • LIKE THERE WAS SOME CATASTROPHE
  • 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:50.240
  • THAT TOOK PLACE.
  • 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:51.210
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:18:51.210 --> 00:18:53.070
  • FOSSIL GRAVEYARDS -- THE
  • 00:18:53.070 --> 00:18:54.000
  • INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT
  • 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:55.130
  • IS, AGAIN, WE FIND THESE ALL
  • 00:18:55.130 --> 00:18:56.260
  • OVER THE WORLD,
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:57.100
  • FOSSIL GRAVEYARDS.
  • 00:18:57.100 --> 00:18:58.200
  • UH, FOR INSTANCE, NEBRASKA...
  • 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.060
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:19:01.060 --> 00:19:03.090
  • - MIKE: WE FOUND A FOSSIL
  • 00:19:03.090 --> 00:19:04.170
  • GRAVEYARD.
  • 00:19:04.170 --> 00:19:05.010
  • OVER 9.000 CREATURES.
  • 00:19:05.010 --> 00:19:06.140
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:19:06.140 --> 00:19:08.070
  • - MIKE: LOOK AT THE TYPE OF
  • 00:19:08.070 --> 00:19:08.270
  • CREATURES THEY FOUND
  • 00:19:08.270 --> 00:19:09.130
  • BURIED TOGETHER.
  • 00:19:09.130 --> 00:19:10.070
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:19:10.070 --> 00:19:10.250
  • - MIKE: RHINOCEROS, HORSE,
  • 00:19:10.250 --> 00:19:11.260
  • CAMELS, GIANT WILD BOARS,
  • 00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:12.220
  • BIRDS, PLANTS, SEA CREATURES.
  • 00:19:12.220 --> 00:19:14.280
  • THEY DON'T ALL LIVE IN THE SAME
  • 00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:17.040
  • ZONES, ECOLOGICAL ZONES.
  • 00:19:17.040 --> 00:19:18.030
  • - DAVID: NO.
  • 00:19:18.030 --> 00:19:20.020
  • - MIKE: BUT THEY'RE ALL
  • 00:19:20.020 --> 00:19:20.200
  • AND GUESS WHAT?
  • 00:19:23.020 --> 00:19:24.050
  • SEDIMENT'S LAID DOWN BY WATER.
  • 00:19:24.050 --> 00:19:24.260
  • - DAVID: WOW...
  • 00:19:24.260 --> 00:19:26.000
  • - MIKE: IT HAD TO BE A FLOOD
  • 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:26.270
  • THAT CAUSED THIS.
  • 00:19:26.270 --> 00:19:27.150
  • - DAVID: OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO,
  • 00:19:27.150 --> 00:19:28.230
  • I THINK A LOT OF THE EXCUSES
  • 00:19:28.230 --> 00:19:30.100
  • TODAY FOR THE DINOSAURS, AT
  • 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:31.000
  • LEAST, IS: BOOM!
  • 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.250
  • METEOR STRIKE.
  • 00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:34.030
  • AND THAT'S WHAT KILLED OFF ALL
  • 00:19:34.030 --> 00:19:35.270
  • OF THE DINOSAURS.
  • 00:19:35.270 --> 00:19:37.120
  • BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE
  • 00:19:37.120 --> 00:19:38.160
  • DINOSAURS AND ALL OF THESE
  • 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:39.210
  • OTHER CREATURES ARE BURIED IN
  • 00:19:39.210 --> 00:19:40.290
  • WATER-LAIN SEDIMENTS?
  • 00:19:40.290 --> 00:19:41.240
  • - MIKE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.060
  • THERE'S ANOTHER FOSSIL
  • 00:19:43.060 --> 00:19:43.230
  • GRAVEYARD IN WYOMING
  • 00:19:43.230 --> 00:19:44.150
  • IN THE COMO BLUFFS...
  • 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:47.100
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:19:47.100 --> 00:19:47.240
  • - MIKE: ...483 DINOSAURS ARE
  • 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:48.210
  • BURIED THERE IN A 7-MILE-LONG
  • 00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:50.250
  • AREA...
  • 00:19:50.250 --> 00:19:51.160
  • - DAVID: WHOA.
  • 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.010
  • - MIKE: ...ALL IN SEDIMENTS
  • 00:19:53.010 --> 00:19:53.210
  • LAID DOWN BY WATER.
  • 00:19:53.210 --> 00:19:55.000
  • THIS CANNOT BE A SMALL FLOOD!
  • 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:56.000
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:56.260
  • - MIKE: THAT HAD TO BE A HUGE
  • 00:19:56.260 --> 00:19:58.050
  • FLOOD TO BURY THAT MANY
  • 00:19:58.050 --> 00:19:58.240
  • DINOSAURS, RAPIDLY, TO PRESERVE
  • 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:00.030
  • THEM ENOUGH TO BECOME FOSSILS.
  • 00:20:00.030 --> 00:20:01.160
  • - DAVID: THAT'S TRUE.
  • 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:03.140
  • AND, MANY OF THEM-- SOME OF
  • 00:20:03.140 --> 00:20:05.060
  • THESE ARE PRESERVED IN GREAT
  • 00:20:05.060 --> 00:20:06.220
  • DETAIL, FULLY ARTICULATED,
  • 00:20:06.220 --> 00:20:07.190
  • A LOT OF DINOSAURS YOU'LL FIND
  • 00:20:11.020 --> 00:20:11.270
  • SORT OF SCRAMBLED.
  • 00:20:12.030 --> 00:20:15.030
  • IF WE GO TO COLORADO, YOU'LL
  • 00:20:15.030 --> 00:20:15.230
  • FIND THESE DINOSAURS --
  • 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:17.110
  • MULTIPLE PIECES OF DINOSAURS
  • 00:20:17.110 --> 00:20:18.010
  • THAT HAVE ALL BEEN
  • 00:20:18.010 --> 00:20:18.190
  • SCRAMBLED TOGETHER.
  • 00:20:18.190 --> 00:20:21.010
  • BUT, SOMETIMES?
  • 00:20:21.010 --> 00:20:21.160
  • YOU FIND THEM VERY, VERY
  • 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:22.040
  • COMPLETE, AS IF -- BOOM! -- A
  • 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:23.210
  • LAYER OF MUD WAS THRUST ON TOP
  • 00:20:24.020 --> 00:20:27.020
  • OF THEM AND THEY HAD NO WAY TO
  • 00:20:27.020 --> 00:20:27.230
  • EVEN MOVE.
  • 00:20:28.210 --> 00:20:31.210
  • THEY'RE BURIED WHERE THEIR
  • 00:20:31.210 --> 00:20:32.100
  • NECKS ARE ARCHED BACK, AS IF
  • 00:20:32.100 --> 00:20:35.090
  • THEY'RE GASPING FOR THEIR LAST
  • 00:20:35.090 --> 00:20:36.000
  • BREATH IN-- IN A FLOOD.
  • 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.280
  • - MIKE: THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:39.150
  • AND WE FIND 'EM ALL OVER THE
  • 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:40.050
  • WORLD -- EVEN THE GOBI DESERT;
  • 00:20:40.050 --> 00:20:41.000
  • WYOMING; UTAH.
  • 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:42.160
  • UH, CHILE -- THEY FOUND A WHALE
  • 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:44.070
  • FOSSIL GRAVEYARD--
  • 00:20:44.070 --> 00:20:45.250
  • - DAVID: REALLY?
  • 00:20:45.250 --> 00:20:46.200
  • - MIKE: -- OF 70 WHALES, 20
  • 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:47.250
  • COMPLETELY INTACT.
  • 00:20:47.250 --> 00:20:50.160
  • - DAVID: WOW!
  • 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.210
  • - MIKE: THEY HAD TO BE BURIED
  • 00:20:51.210 --> 00:20:52.120
  • RAPIDLY TO PRESERVE THEM.
  • 00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:54.000
  • - DAVID: OKAY, WHAT ABOUT,
  • 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.010
  • SAY, THE GRAND CANYON?
  • 00:20:55.010 --> 00:20:56.190
  • BECAUSE THIS FIND, UM-- A
  • 00:20:56.260 --> 00:20:59.260
  • FRIEND, DR. STEVE AUSTIN, HAS
  • 00:20:59.260 --> 00:21:01.060
  • DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS.
  • 00:21:01.060 --> 00:21:02.050
  • NAUTILOIDS.
  • 00:21:02.050 --> 00:21:04.140
  • WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THAT?
  • 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:05.080
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:21:05.080 --> 00:21:05.230
  • NAUTILOIDS -- I ALWAYS PREFER
  • 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:06.140
  • 'EM AS THE CIGAR-SHAPED SEA
  • 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:07.240
  • CREATURES, THERE.
  • 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:08.100
  • - DAVID: OKAY, OKAY.
  • 00:21:08.100 --> 00:21:09.020
  • - MIKE: WE FIND BILLIONS
  • 00:21:09.020 --> 00:21:09.210
  • OF THESE.
  • 00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:11.050
  • THAT'S BILLIONS WITH A "B"...
  • 00:21:11.050 --> 00:21:12.110
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:12.110 --> 00:21:13.120
  • - MIKE: ...BURIED IN A
  • 00:21:13.120 --> 00:21:14.000
  • 7-FOOT-THICK LAYER IN THE
  • 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:14.190
  • GRAND CANYON.
  • 00:21:14.190 --> 00:21:15.130
  • NOW, WAIT A MINUTE.
  • 00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:16.150
  • THESE CREATURES LIVED IN
  • 00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:17.160
  • THE OCEANS.
  • 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.150
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:20.090
  • - MIKE: AND GUESS WHERE WE DID
  • 00:21:20.090 --> 00:21:21.010
  • NOT FIND WITH THEM?
  • 00:21:21.010 --> 00:21:21.170
  • LEGS.
  • 00:21:21.170 --> 00:21:21.260
  • THAT MEANS THEY DIDN'T WALK UP
  • 00:21:21.260 --> 00:21:22.170
  • THERE!
  • 00:21:22.170 --> 00:21:23.030
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:21:23.030 --> 00:21:24.000
  • HOW DID THEY GET A MILE ABOVE
  • 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:25.070
  • SEA LEVEL IN THE GRAND CANYON?
  • 00:21:25.070 --> 00:21:26.260
  • AND THAT 7-FOOT-THICK AREA
  • 00:21:26.260 --> 00:21:29.000
  • THERE GOES ON FOR MILES,
  • 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.030
  • HUNDREDS OF MILES.
  • 00:21:31.030 --> 00:21:31.210
  • - DAVID: WOW...
  • 00:21:31.210 --> 00:21:33.260
  • - MIKE: IT'S AS IF THEY'RE ALL
  • 00:21:33.260 --> 00:21:34.180
  • LAID DOWN THERE, RAPIDLY...
  • 00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:35.160
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:36.150
  • - MIKE: ...NOT OVER MILLIONS
  • 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:37.060
  • OF YEARS OF TIME.
  • 00:21:37.060 --> 00:21:38.150
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT, WHEN IT
  • 00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:40.070
  • COMES TO FOSSILS, THERE HAVE
  • 00:21:40.070 --> 00:21:41.220
  • BEEN A NUMBER OF MISTAKES,
  • 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:44.250
  • OKAY?
  • 00:21:44.250 --> 00:21:45.290
  • AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT
  • 00:21:45.290 --> 00:21:46.200
  • TO NOTE IS THAT WE-- THOSE IN
  • 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:49.040
  • THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY HAVE
  • 00:21:49.040 --> 00:21:51.020
  • GOTTEN IT WRONG--
  • 00:21:51.020 --> 00:21:52.250
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:53.090
  • - DAVID: --A NUMBER OF TIMES
  • 00:21:53.090 --> 00:21:54.070
  • AND THEY'VE ADMITTED THAT THEY
  • 00:21:54.070 --> 00:21:54.280
  • GOT IT WRONG.
  • 00:21:54.280 --> 00:21:55.220
  • - MIKE: AND THERE'S STILL SOME
  • 00:21:55.220 --> 00:21:58.050
  • THAT DO NEED TO BE ADMITTED.
  • 00:21:58.050 --> 00:21:58.290
  • - DAVID: THAT'S TRUE,
  • 00:21:58.290 --> 00:21:59.160
  • - MIKE: FOR INSTANCE, LIKE
  • 00:22:01.250 --> 00:22:02.150
  • PILTDOWN MAN.
  • 00:22:02.150 --> 00:22:03.040
  • NOW, THAT WAS FOUND IN
  • 00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:03.220
  • THE EARLY 1900s.
  • 00:22:03.220 --> 00:22:04.080
  • THAT LASTED IN THE EDUCATION
  • 00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:04.280
  • SYSTEM FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND
  • 00:22:04.280 --> 00:22:05.240
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:08.020 --> 00:22:08.160
  • - MIKE: BIG MISTAKE.
  • 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:09.030
  • THE WHOLE THING WAS A FRAUD.
  • 00:22:09.030 --> 00:22:09.230
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:22:09.230 --> 00:22:10.110
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:22:10.110 --> 00:22:12.020
  • THEN, WE HAD NEBRASKA MAN.
  • 00:22:12.020 --> 00:22:12.260
  • HERE, I LIKE TO SEE--
  • 00:22:12.260 --> 00:22:13.130
  • SHOW PEOPLE HOW EASY
  • 00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:13.290
  • ANTHROPOLOGY IS.
  • 00:22:13.290 --> 00:22:16.090
  • GUESS WHERE WE FOUND
  • 00:22:16.090 --> 00:22:16.250
  • NEBRASKA MAN?
  • 00:22:16.250 --> 00:22:17.080
  • - DAVID: NEBRASKA?
  • 00:22:17.080 --> 00:22:17.240
  • - MIKE: RIGHT, RIGHT.
  • 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:20.020
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:22:20.020 --> 00:22:20.150
  • THIS IS EASY.
  • 00:22:22.070 --> 00:22:22.210
  • BUT NEBRASKA MAN DIDN'T LAST
  • 00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:24.090
  • LONG -- NOT ALL SCIENTISTS
  • 00:22:24.090 --> 00:22:25.010
  • BOUGHT INTO IT.
  • 00:22:25.010 --> 00:22:26.000
  • BUT IT WAS USED AS PROOF
  • 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:26.190
  • THE WHOLE THING WAS FALSE.
  • 00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:29.280
  • IT WASN'T APES' BONES.
  • 00:22:29.280 --> 00:22:32.040
  • IT WASN'T A HUMAN'S BONES.
  • 00:22:32.040 --> 00:22:34.110
  • IT WAS AN EXTINCT PIG'S TOOTH.
  • 00:22:34.110 --> 00:22:35.260
  • - DAVID: WHAT?
  • 00:22:35.260 --> 00:22:36.100
  • - MIKE: VERY BIG MISTAKE,
  • 00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:36.290
  • THERE.
  • 00:22:36.290 --> 00:22:38.020
  • - DAVID: AND THEY BUILT A
  • 00:22:38.020 --> 00:22:38.210
  • WHOLE CREATURE AROUND THAT.
  • 00:22:38.210 --> 00:22:39.110
  • - MIKE: YES...YES, THEY DID.
  • 00:22:39.110 --> 00:22:40.020
  • FROM A PIG'S TOOTH.
  • 00:22:40.020 --> 00:22:41.170
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:42.010
  • - MIKE: THEN, WE HAVE LUCY.
  • 00:22:42.010 --> 00:22:42.210
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:43.050
  • - MIKE: AND, NOW, LUCY -- I'M
  • 00:22:43.050 --> 00:22:43.260
  • GONNA USE A BIG WORD, HERE --
  • 00:22:43.260 --> 00:22:44.170
  • IS A TYPE OF AUSTRALOPITHECINE.
  • 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:47.030
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:47.030 --> 00:22:47.200
  • - MIKE: "AUSTRALO" MEANS
  • 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.090
  • SOUTHERN; "PITHECINE" -- APE.
  • 00:22:48.090 --> 00:22:49.020
  • SOUTHERN APELIKE CREATURES.
  • 00:22:49.020 --> 00:22:49.280
  • WE FIND 'EM IN SOUTHERN PARTS
  • 00:22:49.280 --> 00:22:50.190
  • OF AFRICA.
  • 00:22:50.190 --> 00:22:52.060
  • THAT'S WHERE THEY GET
  • 00:22:52.060 --> 00:22:52.230
  • THEIR NAME.
  • 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:53.150
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:53.150 --> 00:22:54.010
  • - MIKE: LUCY HAS BEEN SO
  • 00:22:54.010 --> 00:22:55.120
  • DEBUNKED, NOW, BUT YET THEY
  • 00:22:55.120 --> 00:22:56.170
  • WILL NOT LET GO OF IT.
  • 00:22:56.170 --> 00:22:57.210
  • EVERYTHING WE SEE ABOUT LUCY IS
  • 00:22:57.210 --> 00:22:58.270
  • IT'S AN EXTINCT APE.
  • 00:22:58.270 --> 00:23:00.040
  • - DAVID: ABOUT A
  • 00:23:00.040 --> 00:23:01.070
  • 3-1/2-FOOT-TALL,
  • 00:23:01.070 --> 00:23:02.070
  • 65-, 75-POUND CHIMPANZEE-LIKE
  • 00:23:02.070 --> 00:23:03.030
  • CREATURE.
  • 00:23:03.030 --> 00:23:04.240
  • AND YET, THIS IS ONE OF THE
  • 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.290
  • BEST CURRENT EVIDENCES TAUGHT
  • 00:23:06.290 --> 00:23:08.280
  • STILL TO STUDENTS TODAY, TO
  • 00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:11.040
  • YOUNG...MINDS THAT CAN BE
  • 00:23:11.040 --> 00:23:14.030
  • IMPACTED IN THESE MINDS.
  • 00:23:14.030 --> 00:23:15.120
  • IT'S TAUGHT AS FACT...
  • 00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:16.190
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:17.040
  • - DAVID: ...THAT WE EVOLVED
  • 00:23:17.040 --> 00:23:18.230
  • FROM APELIKE CREATURES OVER
  • 00:23:18.230 --> 00:23:19.250
  • MILLIONS OF YEARS.
  • 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:20.160
  • - MIKE: YES.
  • 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:20.290
  • AND EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN ABOUT
  • 00:23:20.290 --> 00:23:22.010
  • IT IS-- EVEN IN THE TEXTBOOKS,
  • 00:23:22.010 --> 00:23:23.260
  • THE DRAWINGS DO NOT REPRESENT
  • 00:23:23.260 --> 00:23:25.150
  • WHAT THEY REALLY FOUND IN
  • 00:23:25.150 --> 00:23:26.190
  • THE FOSSIL RECORD.
  • 00:23:26.190 --> 00:23:27.050
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:23:27.050 --> 00:23:29.000
  • - MIKE: THEN, WE HAVE THE
  • 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:29.220
  • ARCHAEORAPTOR, THE FEATHER
  • 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.110
  • DINOSAUR.
  • 00:23:30.110 --> 00:23:30.220
  • WELL, THAT ONE GOT DEBUNKED
  • 00:23:30.220 --> 00:23:32.100
  • FAR-- RATHER RAPIDLY.
  • 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:34.170
  • 'CAUSE SOMEBODY HAD PAINTED ON
  • 00:23:34.170 --> 00:23:35.080
  • FEATHERED IMPRINTS.
  • 00:23:35.080 --> 00:23:36.110
  • THAT WAS A FRAUD...
  • 00:23:36.110 --> 00:23:37.050
  • - DAVID: UH-HUH...
  • 00:23:37.050 --> 00:23:37.210
  • - MIKE: ...RIGHT AWAY.
  • 00:23:37.210 --> 00:23:40.070
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:23:40.070 --> 00:23:40.230
  • THEN, WE HAD THE COELACANTH--
  • 00:23:40.230 --> 00:23:41.190
  • - DAVID: WHICH, AGAIN...
  • 00:23:41.190 --> 00:23:42.080
  • - MIKE: --WHICH WE
  • 00:23:42.080 --> 00:23:42.240
  • TALKED ABOUT.
  • 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:43.070
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:23:43.070 --> 00:23:43.210
  • - MIKE: THAT WAS WRONG.
  • 00:23:43.210 --> 00:23:45.260
  • WE HAVE WHALE EVOLUTION.
  • 00:23:45.260 --> 00:23:46.140
  • EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAS
  • 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:47.040
  • BEEN DEBUNKED.
  • 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:47.220
  • MATTER OF FACT, THE PICTURE
  • 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:48.120
  • THEY PUT IN THE TEXTBOOKS --
  • 00:23:48.120 --> 00:23:49.130
  • MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S WHAT IT
  • 00:23:49.130 --> 00:23:50.040
  • IS: IT'S A PICTURE DRAWN
  • 00:23:50.040 --> 00:23:50.220
  • BY ARTISTS.
  • 00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:51.040
  • - DAVID: WOW...
  • 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:51.200
  • - MIKE: IT'S NOT WHAT THEY
  • 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:52.100
  • REALLY FOUND.
  • 00:23:52.100 --> 00:23:54.010
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT, WE...WENT
  • 00:23:54.010 --> 00:23:54.220
  • OUT AND WE ASKED PEOPLE ON THE
  • 00:23:54.220 --> 00:23:55.150
  • STREET: HOW DID ALL OF THE ROCK
  • 00:23:55.150 --> 00:23:56.180
  • LAYERS FORM?
  • 00:23:56.180 --> 00:23:58.150
  • WHAT WAS THEIR OPINION ON THIS?
  • 00:23:58.150 --> 00:23:59.070
  • - MIKE: YEAH.
  • 00:23:59.070 --> 00:23:59.210
  • - DAVID: AND, WE GOT SOME
  • 00:23:59.210 --> 00:24:00.120
  • INTERESTING RESPONSES.
  • 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:01.030
  • LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT,
  • 00:24:01.030 --> 00:24:01.220
  • RIGHT NOW.
  • 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:03.090
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:24:03.090 --> 00:24:04.140
  • - VOICE OF WOMAN: I WANNA
  • 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:05.030
  • - INTERVIEWEE: BY...
  • 00:24:07.060 --> 00:24:07.280
  • LOOK...WHEN-- WHEN THE WEATHER
  • 00:24:07.280 --> 00:24:10.180
  • CONDITION CHANGES SEVERELY,
  • 00:24:10.260 --> 00:24:13.260
  • THOSE LAYERS WILL START TO
  • 00:24:13.260 --> 00:24:15.280
  • FALL.
  • 00:24:15.280 --> 00:24:17.130
  • - INTERVIEWEE: NO.
  • 00:24:17.130 --> 00:24:19.180
  • I CAN'T ARTICULATE IT.
  • 00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:20.050
  • - INTERVIEWEE: WELL, IT'S
  • 00:24:20.050 --> 00:24:22.200
  • EITHER FLOODING, OR SAND, OR
  • 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.250
  • WIND, OR STUFF BLOWING AROUND.
  • 00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:25.010
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I WOULD SAY
  • 00:24:25.010 --> 00:24:26.130
  • DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
  • 00:24:26.130 --> 00:24:27.030
  • HAPPEN IN NATURE.
  • 00:24:27.030 --> 00:24:28.210
  • SO, SUNLIGHT, WATER, WHICH,
  • 00:24:28.210 --> 00:24:29.110
  • ULTIMATELY, IS EROSION,
  • 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.000
  • I GUESS.
  • 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:33.150
  • - INTERVIEWEE: WHEN THINGS
  • 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:34.170
  • COME ON TOP AND CREATE-- IT
  • 00:24:34.170 --> 00:24:36.000
  • PUTS LITTLE ROCKS DOWN AND
  • 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:37.030
  • BECOMES LAYERED LIKE THAT.
  • 00:24:37.030 --> 00:24:38.090
  • SO, UH...I THINK A LOT OF IT
  • 00:24:38.090 --> 00:24:40.260
  • HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE
  • 00:24:40.260 --> 00:24:42.010
  • MOVEMENT OF NATURE.
  • 00:24:42.010 --> 00:24:43.120
  • - INTERVIEWEE: AGAIN, I SAID
  • 00:24:43.120 --> 00:24:44.190
  • GOD COULD HAVE CREATED THEM.
  • 00:24:44.210 --> 00:24:47.210
  • - INTERVIEWEE: THEN, YOU
  • 00:24:47.210 --> 00:24:48.100
  • CONTINUE WITH, LIKE, EROSION
  • 00:24:48.100 --> 00:24:49.210
  • AND THE NATURAL-- THE PARTICLES
  • 00:24:49.210 --> 00:24:51.220
  • WILL SETTLE AND BUILD
  • 00:24:51.220 --> 00:24:52.090
  • ANOTHER LAYER.
  • 00:24:52.090 --> 00:24:53.220
  • AND THEN, THOSE GET--
  • 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:54.180
  • THOSE WILL HARDEN.
  • 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:55.030
  • AND THEN, YOU'LL HIT ANOTHER
  • 00:24:55.030 --> 00:24:56.010
  • LAYER BUILT UPON IT.
  • 00:24:56.010 --> 00:24:56.170
  • - INTERVIEWEE: UH, PROBABLY
  • 00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:58.160
  • FROM THE CHANGE OF THE
  • 00:24:58.160 --> 00:24:59.170
  • LANDSCAPE ON TOP, THE
  • 00:24:59.170 --> 00:25:01.250
  • EVER-CHANGING...SURFACE.
  • 00:25:01.250 --> 00:25:03.150
  • - INTERVIEWEE (FAR RIGHT):
  • 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:04.050
  • EROSION OVER TI--
  • 00:25:04.050 --> 00:25:04.200
  • - INTERVIEWEE (CENTER):
  • 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:05.100
  • EROSION, YEAH.
  • 00:25:05.100 --> 00:25:05.230
  • - INTERVIEWEE (FAR RIGHT):
  • 00:25:05.230 --> 00:25:06.190
  • WATER AND LIGHT, OVER TIME --
  • 00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:07.100
  • IT ERODES THE ROCK AND YOU CAN
  • 00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:08.010
  • SEE THE DIFFERENT, UM...THINGS
  • 00:25:08.010 --> 00:25:10.260
  • THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO THE ROCK
  • 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:11.210
  • OVER THE MANY YEARS BECAUSE OF
  • 00:25:11.210 --> 00:25:12.240
  • THE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS
  • 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:13.130
  • IT'S BEEN IN.
  • 00:25:16.290 --> 00:25:19.290
  • - DAVID: EROSION, BUT ALSO
  • 00:25:19.290 --> 00:25:20.190
  • DEPOSITION.
  • 00:25:20.190 --> 00:25:21.030
  • LOTS OF EROSION, LOTS OF
  • 00:25:21.030 --> 00:25:22.000
  • DEPOSITION EQUALS A LOT OF
  • 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.040
  • SEDIMENT, SEDIMENT CAUSED BY
  • 00:25:24.090 --> 00:25:27.090
  • THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD.
  • 00:25:27.090 --> 00:25:29.200
  • - MIKE: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
  • 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:30.230
  • - DAVID: WHAT'S OUR TAKEAWAY,
  • 00:25:30.230 --> 00:25:31.140
  • IN 30 SECONDS?
  • 00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:32.080
  • - MIKE: TAKEAWAY, IN
  • 00:25:32.080 --> 00:25:32.250
  • 30 SECONDS?
  • 00:25:32.250 --> 00:25:34.090
  • UH, WHAT DOES THE OBSERVABLE
  • 00:25:34.090 --> 00:25:35.100
  • EVIDENCE REALLY SHOW ABOUT THE
  • 00:25:35.100 --> 00:25:36.120
  • FOSSIL RECORD?
  • 00:25:36.120 --> 00:25:37.140
  • HORSES PRODUCE HORSES.
  • 00:25:40.030 --> 00:25:40.280
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:25:40.280 --> 00:25:41.160
  • - MIKE: BACTERIA PRODUCE
  • 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.050
  • BACTERIA.
  • 00:25:42.050 --> 00:25:43.100
  • AND WHALES PRODUCE WHALES.
  • 00:25:43.100 --> 00:25:44.030
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:25:44.030 --> 00:25:44.220
  • - MIKE: THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE
  • 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:45.160
  • BIBLE, BASED ON OBSERVABLE AND
  • 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.000
  • REPEATABLE EVIDENCE.
  • 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.180
  • - DAVID: YOU CAN TRUST THE
  • 00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:49.250
  • BIBLE, EVERY TIME.
  • 00:25:49.250 --> 00:25:51.110
  • - MIKE: RIGHT.
  • 00:25:51.110 --> 00:25:51.250
  • - DAVID: FOR ANYTHING.
  • 00:25:51.250 --> 00:25:52.160
  • - MIKE: IN ALL MATTERS
  • 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:53.040
  • OF AUTHORITY...
  • 00:25:53.040 --> 00:25:53.180
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:54.020
  • - MIKE: ...HISTORY,
  • 00:25:54.020 --> 00:25:54.180
  • AND SCIENCE.
  • 00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:55.010
  • - DAVID: AUTHORITY, HISTORY,
  • 00:25:55.010 --> 00:25:55.220
  • AND SCIENCE.
  • 00:25:55.220 --> 00:25:57.260
  • HOW ENCOURAGING.
  • 00:25:57.260 --> 00:26:00.220
  • THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE,
  • 00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:01.110
  • TODAY, MIKE, AND FOR SHARING
  • 00:26:01.110 --> 00:26:02.220
  • YOUR EXPERTISE WITH US.
  • 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:03.250
  • - MIKE: THANK YOU, DAVID.
  • 00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:04.240
  • - DAVID: YES, SIR.
  • 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:05.100
  • YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT
  • 00:26:05.100 --> 00:26:07.240
  • EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO IS
  • 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.290
  • CURRENTLY ATTENDING PUBLIC
  • 00:26:09.290 --> 00:26:11.010
  • SCHOOL, COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY,
  • 00:26:11.080 --> 00:26:14.080
  • PURSUING HIGHER EDUCATION --
  • 00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:15.080
  • ALL OF THESE THINGS -- THEY
  • 00:26:15.080 --> 00:26:16.110
  • REALLY NEED TO HEAR WHAT WE
  • 00:26:16.110 --> 00:26:18.050
  • JUST HEARD TODAY.
  • 00:26:18.050 --> 00:26:18.270
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING TOLD
  • 00:26:18.270 --> 00:26:19.160
  • ANOTHER STORY, A
  • 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.120
  • FALSE NARRATIVE.
  • 00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:23.030
  • BEING ABLE TO SPOT FALLACIES SO
  • 00:26:23.030 --> 00:26:25.120
  • OFTEN USED IN NATURALISTIC
  • 00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:27.160
  • SCIENCE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT A
  • 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.170
  • LOT OF EVOLUTIONARY THEORY IS
  • 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:30.200
  • ONLY GUESSWORK CONTAINING
  • 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.070
  • PERSONAL IDEAS AND
  • 00:26:32.070 --> 00:26:33.120
  • OPINIONS WITH VERY LITTLE
  • 00:26:33.120 --> 00:26:34.230
  • OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE.
  • 00:26:34.230 --> 00:26:36.200
  • WHAT'S BELIEF WITH VERY LITTLE
  • 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.040
  • OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE?
  • 00:26:39.040 --> 00:26:39.280
  • LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY FAITH.
  • 00:26:42.120 --> 00:26:43.080
  • I DO BELIEVE THAT, IN THE
  • 00:26:43.080 --> 00:26:44.110
  • BEGINNING, GOD CREATED THE
  • 00:26:44.110 --> 00:26:45.230
  • HEAVEN AND THE EARTH, THE SEA,
  • 00:26:45.230 --> 00:26:46.210
  • AND EVERYTHING CONTAINED
  • 00:26:46.210 --> 00:26:47.130
  • THEREIN.
  • 00:26:47.130 --> 00:26:48.280
  • BUT, DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
  • 00:26:48.280 --> 00:26:49.200
  • THERE'S A HISTORICAL RECORD,
  • 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.100
  • INSPIRED BY THE CREATOR
  • 00:26:50.100 --> 00:26:52.060
  • HIMSELF, WHICH TELLS US
  • 00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:53.290
  • JUST THAT.
  • 00:26:53.290 --> 00:26:55.210
  • AND THE BOOK OF JOHN EXPLAINS
  • 00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:57.050
  • THAT THE WORD BECAME FLESH,
  • 00:26:57.050 --> 00:26:58.000
  • THROUGH JESUS CHRIST,
  • 00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:59.210
  • YESHUA OF NAZARETH.
  • 00:26:59.210 --> 00:27:00.160
  • ALL THINGS WERE CREATED;
  • 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.030
  • I WANNA THANK YOU FOR JOINING
  • 00:27:05.210 --> 00:27:06.120
  • US TODAY ON "CREATION IN THE
  • 00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:07.020
  • 21ST CENTURY."
  • 00:27:07.020 --> 00:27:07.150
  • WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
  • 00:27:07.150 --> 00:27:09.060
  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
  • 00:27:09.060 --> 00:27:10.100
  • KEEP LOOKING UP.
  • 00:27:10.100 --> 00:27:11.130
  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
  • 00:27:11.130 --> 00:27:13.040
  • [DRAMATIC CLOSING THEME]
  • 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.000