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Dr. Jonathan Sarfati | Church & Science: Myths Vs. History

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October 12, 2019
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Creation in the 21st Century with David Rives

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Dr. Jonathan Sarfati | Church & Science: Myths Vs. History

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  • - DAVID RIVES: COMING UP ON
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY":
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  • SO, EVEN THE SOLAR SYSTEM'S
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  • POSITION IN OUR GALAXY SEEMS TO
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  • BE THE PERFECT SPOT FOR LIFE.
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  • GALILEO'S REAL OPPOSITION WAS
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  • FROM THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY,
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  • NOT FROM THE CHURCH.
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  • - DR. JONATHAN SARFATI: YEAH,
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  • THE CLERICS' OPPOSITION TO
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  • GALILEO CAME FROM
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  • SECULAR IDEAS.
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  • - DAVID: SO, WHERE DOES THIS
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  • FLAT-EARTH THEORY COME FROM?
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  • - DR. SARFATI: YOU KNOW, THE
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  • CHURCH HAS NEVER TAUGHT
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  • A FLAT EARTH.
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  • THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS TAUGHT
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  • [DRAMATIC THEME MUSIC PLAYS]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • - DAVID: I WANNA WELCOME YOU
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  • TO "CREATION IN THE 21ST
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  • CENTURY,"
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  • WHERE SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY
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  • CONNECTS WITH YOUR
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  • AND, FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS,
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  • I'VE BEEN ON A JOURNEY TO
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  • BRING PEOPLE CLOSER TO CHRIST
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  • BY SHOWING THEM THAT HE
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  • IS THEIR CREATOR.
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  • YOU ARE NO ACCIDENT.
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  • YOU ARE WONDERFULLY MADE.
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  • AND, YOU SEE, THE CREATION
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  • ACCOUNT, ALL THE WAY
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  • BACK IN GENESIS?
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  • WELL, THAT HOLDS KEYS TO
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  • UNLOCKING AND UNDERSTANDING
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  • LIFE, DEATH, AND WHY WE
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  • NEED A SAVIOR.
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  • I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS SHOW
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  • AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE GUEST
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  • THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
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  • BUT, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT,
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  • LET'S GET STARTED BY TAKING A
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  • LOOK AT THIS WEEK'S
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  • [RAPID-TEMPO MUSIC]
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  • YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I WALK
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  • AROUND A BEAUTIFUL
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  • PLACE LIKE THIS,
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  • I SEE ALL OF GOD'S CREATION.
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  • IN FACT, THERE'S A LOT OF LIFE,
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  • AN ABUNDANCE OF LIFE, WHETHER
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  • IT'S A BIRD FLOATING ABOVE THE
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  • WATER OR...A CRICKET CHIRPING
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  • IN THE BACKGROUND.
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  • OR A BIKER USING ONE OF
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  • THESE TRAILS.
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  • IT REALLY IS SURPRISING THAT
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  • SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THE ALL OF
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  • THAT CAME FROM POND SCUM,
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  • AN AMOEBA OVER MILLIONS AND
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  • MILLIONS OF YEARS.
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  • YOU SEE...WHAT'S MORE
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  • INTERESTING IS THAT ALL OF
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  • THIS LIFE USES DNA.
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  • DNA, OR DEOXYRIBONUCLEIC ACID,
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  • IS LIKE THE INSTRUCTION BOOKS
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  • THAT MAKES US WHO WE ARE.
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  • AND YET, ALL OF LIFE USES THE
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  • EXACT SAME GENETIC CODE.
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  • IF WE WERE TO THINK THIS
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  • THROUGH LOGICALLY FROM AN
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  • EVOLUTION STANDPOINT, DOESN'T
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  • IT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THAT,
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  • SOMEWHERE ON EARTH, SOME
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  • CREATURE MAY HAVE EVOLVED USING
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  • A DIFFERENT TYPE OF
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  • LANGUAGE SYSTEM?
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  • INSTEAD, WHAT WE FIND IS THAT
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  • EVERY CREATURE ALIVE TODAY,
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  • FROM THE PLANT OR THE GRASS ON
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  • THE GROUND TO THE BIRDS THAT
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  • FLY IN THE AIR, USES THE EXACT
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  • I BELIEVE THAT THIS POINTS TO
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  • I BELIEVE THAT THIS POINTS TO
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  • THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE
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  • CREATOR, A MIND WHO SPOKE
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  • EVERYTHING INTO EXISTENCE,
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  • USING THE INTELLIGENT LANGUAGE
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  • OF DNA, AND THEN HE MADE US AS
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  • THE LAST OF CREATION, FEARFULLY
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  • AND WONDERFULLY MADE.
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  • THINK ABOUT THAT, NEXT TIME YOU
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  • DON'T FORGET YOU CAN WATCH
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  • PREVIOUS EPISODES OF
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  • "CREATION IN THE 21ST CENTURY"
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  • AT TBN.TV.
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  • JUST LOOK UP THE NAME OF THE
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  • PROGRAM, AND, YOU CAN FIND PAST
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  • EPISODES WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT
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  • GUESTS AND SO MANY DIFFERENT
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  • TOPICS, RANGING FROM ASTRONOMY
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  • TO BIOLOGY TO GEOLOGY TO
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  • PALEONTOLOGY TO GENETICS TO...
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  • CHEMISTRY.
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  • AND...THAT'S WHERE I WANT YOU
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  • TO MEET MY GUEST TODAY.
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  • DR. JONATHAN SARFATI HAS HIS
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  • PHD IN PHYSICAL CHEMISTRY AND
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  • HE'S A NEW ZEALAND
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  • CHESS CHAMPION.
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  • HE'S AUTHOR OF THE BESTSELLING
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  • BOOK "REFUTING EVOLUTION," AND
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  • IS AN IN-DEMAND SPEAKER AND
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  • RESEARCHER FOR CREATION
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  • MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL.
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  • DR. SARFATI, WELCOME
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  • TO THE PROGRAM!
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  • - DR. JONATHAN SARFATI: WELL,
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  • THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, AGAIN.
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  • - DAVID: IT IS GREAT TO
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  • HAVE YOU ON.
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  • NOW, I'M VERY CURIOUS -- WHAT
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  • IS THIS ABOUT CHESS?
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  • WHAT DO YOU DO?
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  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, I'M A
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  • RETIRED CHESS MASTER.
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  • I WAS NEW ZEALAND
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  • CHESS CHAMPION.
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  • - DAVID: WOW!
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  • - DR. SARFATI: AND, SOMETIMES,
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  • I WOULD PLAY SEVERAL PEOPLE AT
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  • ONCE, BLINDFOLD, WHICH MEANS
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  • FROM MEMORY.
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  • SO, YOU HAVE SOMEONE MAKING THE
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  • MOVES FOR ME AND TELLING ME
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  • WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
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  • SO, I TRY AND REPLY FROM WHAT'S
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  • IN MY MIND, WHATEVER.
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  • SO, I'VE DONE THAT WITH UP TO
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  • ABOUT 12 PEOPLE, IN THE
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  • PAST, OKAY?
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  • - DAVID: I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN
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  • YOU WITH 12 PEOPLE, UH, PLAYING
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  • CHESS BEFORE.
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  • AND, IT IS A REMARKABLE THING.
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  • AND, YOU SAY, SOMETIMES,
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  • YOU DO THIS BLINDFOLDED,
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  • AS WELL?
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  • - DR. SARFATI: CORRECT.
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  • - DAVID: THAT'S AMAZING!
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  • WHAT A MIND.
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  • BUT, ALSO, WHAT A TESTAMENT TO
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  • WHAT THE LORD CAN DO, RIGHT?
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  • BECAUSE HE HAS GIVEN US
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  • INCREDIBLE BRAINS.
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  • WE NEED TO REMEMBER TO USE
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  • THOSE BRAINS AND TO USE THOSE
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  • BRAINS FOR HIS GLORY.
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  • YOU HAVE DEVOTED YOUR LIFE TO
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  • USING THAT BRAIN FOR HIS GLORY,
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  • FOR TELLING PEOPLE AROUND THE
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  • WORLD, AS YOU GO AROUND AND
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  • SPEAK, AS YOU WRITE YOUR BOOKS,
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  • THAT THERE IS A CREATOR, RIGHT?
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  • - DR. SARFATI: ABSOLUTELY.
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  • AND THE CREATOR BECAME FLESH IN
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  • JESUS AND HE TOLD US THE
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  • GREATEST COMMANDMENT, TO
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  • INCLUDE LOVING GOD WITH
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  • ALL OUR MINDS.
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  • - DAVID: AH!
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  • - DR. SARFATI: PLEASE, IT'S
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  • NOT A CASE OF CHECKING YOUR
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  • BRAINS AT THE CHURCH DOOR.
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  • WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ENGAGE OUR
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  • BRAINS AND TO NOURISH THEM
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  • ON HIS WORD.
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  • - DAVID: THAT'S AMAZING.
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  • LISTEN, TELL ME JUST A LITTLE
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  • BIT ABOUT CREATION MINISTRIES
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  • INTERNATIONAL AND THE WORK THAT
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  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY, I'M THE
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  • HEAD SCIENTIST FOR CREATION
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  • MINISTRIES, WHICH HAS
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  • BRANCHES IN THIS COUNTRY,
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  • CANADA, AUSTRALIA, WHERE I
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  • WORKED FOR IT FOR
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  • ABOUT 14 YEARS.
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  • ALSO, SOUTH AFRICA AND THE
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  • UK, AND SINGAPORE HAVE
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  • SO, WE'RE AN INTERNATIONAL
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  • MINISTRY.
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  • WE HAVE PROBABLY MORE PHD
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  • SCIENTISTS THAN ANY OTHER
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  • CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, AND WE
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  • WRITE BOOKS AND ARTICLES, AND
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  • DO VIDEO SHOWS, TRY TO TELL
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  • PEOPLE YOU CAN TRUST THE BIBLE
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  • FROM THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER.
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  • I SAY FIRST CHAPTER 'CAUSE THE
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  • FIRST CHAPTER'S MORE
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  • SPECIFIC -- I MEAN, JUST THE
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  • FIRST VERSE, WHICH THEISTIC
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  • EVOLUTIONISTS WOULD AGREE WITH.
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  • BUT THERE'S A WHOLE CHAPTER --
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  • ONE -- WHICH PUTS US AT ODDS
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  • WITH THE LONG-AGE VIEWS IN
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  • EVOLUTION.
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  • - DAVID: RIGHT.
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  • NOW, AGAIN, EVEN WITHIN THE
  • 00:06:24.170 --> 00:06:26.110
  • CHURCH, THERE IS A MAJOR
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  • CONTROVERSY, UH, THAT SAYS:
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  • WELL, DO WE HAVE TO BLEND
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  • ATHEISTIC SCIENCE WITH WHAT WE
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  • READ IN OUR BIBLES?
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  • IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE HAVE TO
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  • TRY TO STICK IN BILLIONS OF
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  • YEARS, AND EVOLUTION, AND ALL
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  • OF THESE CONCEPTS INTO
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  • OUR BIBLES?
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  • UH, SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE TELL
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  • US THAT EVOLUTION TOOK PLACE,
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  • IT MUST BE TRUE.
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  • SO, THEREFORE, IF WE WANNA BE A
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  • CHRISTIAN AND BE A SCIENCE
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  • BELIEVER, WE HAVE TO
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  • TRY TO DO THAT.
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  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, EXCEPT
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  • THAT THAT'S CONFUSING.
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  • EVOLUTION AND CREATION ARE
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  • CLAIMS ABOUT THE PAST.
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  • THEREFORE, THEY'RE MATTERS OF
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  • HISTORY -- REAL OPERATIONAL
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  • SCIENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT PUT MEN
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  • ON THE MOON, CURED DISEASES,
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  • BUILDS TECHNOLOGY -- THAT'S
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  • THINGS THAT WE CAN TEST AND
  • 00:07:07.130 --> 00:07:08.130
  • REPEAT IN THE PRESENT.
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  • AND, SEE, THERE'S NO SCIENCE
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  • THAT CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE.
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  • CERTAINLY, EVOLUTIONARY CLAIMS
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  • CONTRADICT IT, BUT WHY SHOULD
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  • WE ADOPT THEIR CLAIMS?
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  • AND THE BIBLE'S VERY CLEAR.
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  • CREATION IS SIX ORDINARY
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  • 24-HOUR DAYS.
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  • AROUND ABOUT 6.000 YEARS AGO,
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  • THERE WAS A GLOBAL FLOOD.
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  • AND, ANY-- OF COURSE, THE OTHER
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  • MAIN POINT WE WANNA GET ACROSS
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  • IS IF YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF
  • 00:07:27.170 --> 00:07:28.250
  • YEARS, YOU HAVE DEATH AND
  • 00:07:28.250 --> 00:07:30.070
  • SUFFERING BEFORE SIN.
  • 00:07:30.070 --> 00:07:31.280
  • BUT THE BIBLE'S VERY CLEAR:
  • 00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:32.290
  • THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.
  • 00:07:32.290 --> 00:07:34.020
  • DEATH IS A RESULT OF SIN.
  • 00:07:34.020 --> 00:07:34.270
  • SO, YOU CAN'T PUT DEATH AND
  • 00:07:34.270 --> 00:07:36.240
  • SUFFERING BEFORE ADAM'S SIN.
  • 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:38.000
  • THAT'S A KEY REASON WHY YOU
  • 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.230
  • CAN'T MIX THE MILLIONS OF YEARS
  • 00:07:39.230 --> 00:07:40.150
  • WITH THE BIBLE.
  • 00:07:40.150 --> 00:07:42.170
  • - DAVID: BECAUSE IT AFFECTS
  • 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:43.070
  • THE GOSPEL MESSAGE ITSELF?
  • 00:07:43.070 --> 00:07:43.260
  • - DR. SARFATI: THE GOSPEL.
  • 00:07:43.260 --> 00:07:44.230
  • YOU LOOK AT 1 CORINTHIANS 15.
  • 00:07:44.230 --> 00:07:45.140
  • VERY CLEAR.
  • 00:07:45.140 --> 00:07:47.110
  • ADAM BROUGHT DEATH.
  • 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:48.060
  • THEREFORE, JESUS BROUGHT LIFE,
  • 00:07:48.260 --> 00:07:51.260
  • DIED ON THE CROSS FOR
  • 00:07:51.260 --> 00:07:52.130
  • OUR SINS.
  • 00:07:52.130 --> 00:07:53.070
  • 'CAUSE DEATH IS A POWER TO
  • 00:07:53.070 --> 00:07:53.260
  • THE SIN.
  • 00:07:53.260 --> 00:07:54.110
  • THEN HE ROSE PHYSICALLY
  • 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:55.090
  • FROM THE DEAD.
  • 00:07:55.090 --> 00:07:55.230
  • SO, PHYSICAL RESURRECTION,
  • 00:07:55.230 --> 00:07:56.250
  • BECAUSE HE DIED PHYSICALLY ON
  • 00:07:56.250 --> 00:07:57.220
  • THE CROSS TO THE DEATH THAT
  • 00:07:57.220 --> 00:07:59.040
  • ADAM BROUGHT, WHICH, MAY,
  • 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:00.140
  • THEREFORE, MUST BE PHYSICAL.
  • 00:08:00.140 --> 00:08:01.230
  • BUT ALL THE MILLIONS OF YEARS
  • 00:08:01.230 --> 00:08:02.290
  • PUTS DEATH OF HUMANS AND
  • 00:08:02.290 --> 00:08:04.230
  • ANIMALS BEFORE ADAM SINNED.
  • 00:08:04.230 --> 00:08:06.070
  • SO, WHAT DOES HAPPENS TO THE
  • 00:08:06.070 --> 00:08:07.010
  • GOSPEL WHEN YOU DO THAT?
  • 00:08:07.010 --> 00:08:09.230
  • - DAVID: IT'S AN EXCELLENT
  • 00:08:09.230 --> 00:08:11.080
  • POINT AND IT'S VERY VALID.
  • 00:08:11.080 --> 00:08:11.270
  • WE LIKE GETTING OTHER
  • 00:08:11.270 --> 00:08:13.070
  • PEOPLE'S OPINION.
  • 00:08:13.070 --> 00:08:13.260
  • - DR. SARFATI: SURE.
  • 00:08:13.260 --> 00:08:14.210
  • - DAVID: SO, WE WILL GO OUT ON
  • 00:08:14.210 --> 00:08:15.140
  • THE STREET AND ASK
  • 00:08:15.140 --> 00:08:16.120
  • THEM QUESTIONS.
  • 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.170
  • - DR. SARFATI: YES.
  • 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:18.030
  • - DAVID: WE WENT OUT AND WE
  • 00:08:18.030 --> 00:08:20.010
  • ASKED PEOPLE: DOES SCIENCE AND
  • 00:08:20.010 --> 00:08:21.050
  • RELIGION -- DO THEY CONTRADICT
  • 00:08:21.050 --> 00:08:21.260
  • EACH OTHER?
  • 00:08:21.260 --> 00:08:24.060
  • AND WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS
  • 00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:25.170
  • OF THAT?
  • 00:08:25.170 --> 00:08:26.200
  • AND, HERE'S THE RESPONSE
  • 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:28.160
  • THAT WE GOT.
  • 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.160
  • - VOICE OF WOMAN: I WANNA
  • 00:08:33.160 --> 00:08:34.050
  • - INTERVIEWEE: NO...NOT
  • 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:36.230
  • NECESSARILY.
  • 00:08:36.230 --> 00:08:37.060
  • 'CAUSE THEY SAY THAT
  • 00:08:37.060 --> 00:08:37.280
  • SCIENTISTS, A LOT OF THEM, ARE
  • 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:38.250
  • REALLY INTO, LIKE, THE OCCULT
  • 00:08:38.250 --> 00:08:40.180
  • AND EVERYTHING AND THAT SCIENCE
  • 00:08:40.180 --> 00:08:42.050
  • JUST KINDA...PROVES THAT THERE
  • 00:08:42.050 --> 00:08:43.090
  • IS...SOMETHING MORE?
  • 00:08:43.230 --> 00:08:46.230
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I THINK SCIENCE
  • 00:08:46.230 --> 00:08:47.240
  • IS ITS OWN THING.
  • 00:08:47.280 --> 00:08:50.280
  • THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE
  • 00:08:50.280 --> 00:08:51.170
  • FOR SCIENCE.
  • 00:08:51.170 --> 00:08:52.140
  • RELIGION -- I THINK IT'S VERY
  • 00:08:52.140 --> 00:08:53.050
  • PERSONAL, VERY CULTURAL.
  • 00:08:53.050 --> 00:08:54.200
  • I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO
  • 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:55.090
  • CROSS AT ANY TIME.
  • 00:08:55.090 --> 00:08:57.170
  • THEY'RE JUST-- THEY'RE VERY TWO
  • 00:08:57.170 --> 00:08:58.090
  • DIFFERENT THINGS.
  • 00:08:58.090 --> 00:08:59.140
  • - INTERVIEWEE: IN ABSOLUTE
  • 00:08:59.140 --> 00:09:00.110
  • TERMS, NO.
  • 00:09:00.110 --> 00:09:01.250
  • - INTERVIEWEE: AT TIMES, YES.
  • 00:09:01.250 --> 00:09:02.250
  • AT TIMES, NO.
  • 00:09:02.250 --> 00:09:04.160
  • I THINK THEY'RE NOT MUTUALLY
  • 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:05.260
  • EXCLUSIVE.
  • 00:09:05.260 --> 00:09:06.120
  • - INTERVIEWEE: SOMETIMES, YES,
  • 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:07.280
  • BUT, MOST OF THE TIME, NO.
  • 00:09:07.280 --> 00:09:09.290
  • - INTERVIEWEE: I THINK
  • 00:09:09.290 --> 00:09:10.260
  • SOMETIMES THEY CONTRADICT
  • 00:09:10.260 --> 00:09:11.150
  • EACH OTHER.
  • 00:09:11.150 --> 00:09:12.060
  • I THINK, SOMETIMES, THEY MAY
  • 00:09:12.060 --> 00:09:13.020
  • COME TO THE EXACT SAME ANSWER
  • 00:09:13.020 --> 00:09:14.260
  • OR THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT
  • 00:09:14.260 --> 00:09:16.020
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SEPARATE.
  • 00:09:16.020 --> 00:09:17.000
  • - INTERVIEWEE: IT'S ALL,
  • 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.040
  • LIKE-- THEY'RE ALL, LIKE--
  • 00:09:18.040 --> 00:09:19.240
  • THEY'RE ALL TRYIN' TO KNOCK AT
  • 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:20.150
  • THE SAME DOOR.
  • 00:09:20.150 --> 00:09:21.090
  • - INTERVIEWEE: YOU
  • 00:09:21.090 --> 00:09:22.030
  • CAN...RECONCILE THEM.
  • 00:09:22.030 --> 00:09:24.100
  • BUT...I THINK THEY NEED TO BE--
  • 00:09:24.100 --> 00:09:25.240
  • THEY'RE SEPARATE.
  • 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.010
  • UM...IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN'T
  • 00:09:27.010 --> 00:09:28.270
  • BELIEVE IN ONE IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:09:28.270 --> 00:09:29.280
  • - DAVID: INTERESTING.
  • 00:09:36.050 --> 00:09:36.270
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:09:36.270 --> 00:09:37.150
  • IT IS A BIT, RATHER,
  • 00:09:37.150 --> 00:09:38.290
  • ESPECIALLY THIS COMMON IDEA
  • 00:09:38.290 --> 00:09:39.220
  • THAT THEY'RE A TOTALLY
  • 00:09:39.220 --> 00:09:40.090
  • SEPARATE THING.
  • 00:09:40.090 --> 00:09:41.160
  • BUT, LET'S FACE IT: BOTH
  • 00:09:41.160 --> 00:09:42.040
  • SCIENCE AND CHRISTIANITY DEAL
  • 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:43.180
  • WITH THE REAL WORLD.
  • 00:09:43.180 --> 00:09:44.130
  • AS I'VE SAID IN ANOTHER SHOW,
  • 00:09:44.130 --> 00:09:47.050
  • THAT, IN FACT, WITHOUT THE
  • 00:09:47.050 --> 00:09:48.140
  • ASSUMPTIONS OF THE BIBLE, LIKE
  • 00:09:48.140 --> 00:09:50.290
  • AN OBJECTIVELY REAL UNIVERSE
  • 00:09:50.290 --> 00:09:53.020
  • AND AN ORDERLY CREATION,
  • 00:09:53.020 --> 00:09:54.210
  • SCIENCE ITSELF WOULD
  • 00:09:54.210 --> 00:09:56.090
  • NOT BE POSSIBLE.
  • 00:09:56.090 --> 00:09:57.060
  • SO, IN FACT, SCIENCE CAN'T
  • 00:09:57.060 --> 00:09:58.200
  • JUSTIFY ITS OWN EXISTENCE.
  • 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.130
  • SEE, SCIENCE CAN'T PROVE THE
  • 00:10:00.130 --> 00:10:01.240
  • UNIVERSE IS ORDERLY BECAUSE
  • 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.230
  • YOU'D HAVE TO ASSUME ORDER IN
  • 00:10:03.230 --> 00:10:05.050
  • THE EXPERIMENT YOU USED TO
  • 00:10:05.050 --> 00:10:06.060
  • TRY TO PROVE IT.
  • 00:10:06.060 --> 00:10:06.280
  • - DAVID: AH!
  • 00:10:06.280 --> 00:10:07.190
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, YOU CAN'T
  • 00:10:07.190 --> 00:10:08.100
  • PROVE IT.
  • 00:10:08.100 --> 00:10:08.210
  • AND THAT ASSUMPTION COMES FROM
  • 00:10:10.130 --> 00:10:11.040
  • THE BIBLE.
  • 00:10:11.040 --> 00:10:11.250
  • IT DOESN'T COME FROM EVOLUTION
  • 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:12.160
  • AND IT DOESN'T COME FROM
  • 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:13.040
  • SCIENCE ITSELF.
  • 00:10:13.040 --> 00:10:13.250
  • YOU CAN'T EMPIRICALLY TEST THE
  • 00:10:13.250 --> 00:10:16.110
  • CLAIM THAT EVERYTHING MUST BE
  • 00:10:16.110 --> 00:10:18.000
  • TESTED EMPIRICALLY.
  • 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:18.160
  • - DAVID: WELL...DR. WERNHER
  • 00:10:18.160 --> 00:10:21.060
  • VON BRAUN, WHO BASICALLY SENT
  • 00:10:21.060 --> 00:10:23.070
  • MEN TO THE MOON...
  • 00:10:23.070 --> 00:10:24.240
  • - DR. SARFATI: YES, INDEED.
  • 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:25.140
  • - DAVID: ...A VERY BRILLIANT
  • 00:10:25.140 --> 00:10:26.050
  • SCIENTIST -- HE SAID THAT A LOT
  • 00:10:26.050 --> 00:10:26.270
  • OF PEOPLE LOOK AT SCIENCE AND
  • 00:10:26.270 --> 00:10:27.210
  • RELIGION AS COMPLETELY OPPOSING
  • 00:10:27.210 --> 00:10:30.060
  • EACH OTHER.
  • 00:10:30.060 --> 00:10:32.030
  • - DR. SARFATI: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:10:32.030 --> 00:10:32.220
  • - DAVID: HE SAID THEY'RE
  • 00:10:34.270 --> 00:10:35.160
  • SISTERS.
  • 00:10:35.160 --> 00:10:35.260
  • WHILE SCIENCE TRIES TO BETTER
  • 00:10:35.260 --> 00:10:37.130
  • UNDERSTAND THE CREATION, THE
  • 00:10:37.130 --> 00:10:38.180
  • WORLD AROUND US, RELIGION TRIES
  • 00:10:38.180 --> 00:10:40.020
  • TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE
  • 00:10:40.020 --> 00:10:41.090
  • CREATOR, WHO IS THE ONE WHO
  • 00:10:41.090 --> 00:10:43.000
  • MADE THE UNIVERSE, RIGHT?
  • 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.040
  • AND, I MEAN, IT'S EVEN MORE
  • 00:10:44.170 --> 00:10:47.170
  • CLEAR WHEN YOU GO OUT INTO
  • 00:10:47.170 --> 00:10:49.050
  • SPACE AND YOU LOOK DOWN
  • 00:10:49.050 --> 00:10:49.230
  • UPON THE EARTH, YOU SEE
  • 00:10:49.230 --> 00:10:50.110
  • HOW SPECTACULAR--
  • 00:10:52.050 --> 00:10:55.050
  • IT'S ALMOST LIKE A JEWEL THAT
  • 00:10:55.050 --> 00:10:55.260
  • APPEARS TO BE DESIGNED
  • 00:10:55.260 --> 00:10:58.120
  • FOR LIFE.
  • 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.140
  • - DR. SARFATI: IT IS.
  • 00:11:00.140 --> 00:11:01.070
  • - DAVID: CAN YOU TALK TO US
  • 00:11:01.070 --> 00:11:02.050
  • ABOUT THAT?
  • 00:11:02.050 --> 00:11:02.190
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, IT'S
  • 00:11:02.190 --> 00:11:03.210
  • INTERESTING.
  • 00:11:03.210 --> 00:11:04.030
  • WE HAVE A FRIEND OF THE
  • 00:11:04.030 --> 00:11:04.270
  • MINISTRY CALLED DR. HENRY
  • 00:11:04.270 --> 00:11:05.260
  • RICHTER WHO IS, NOW, ABOUT OVER
  • 00:11:05.260 --> 00:11:06.260
  • 90 YEARS OLD.
  • 00:11:06.260 --> 00:11:07.150
  • BUT HE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH
  • 00:11:07.150 --> 00:11:08.100
  • WERNHER VON BRAUN.
  • 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:09.250
  • - DAVID: AH!
  • 00:11:09.250 --> 00:11:10.130
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, HE WAS PART
  • 00:11:10.130 --> 00:11:11.050
  • OF THE PIONEERING SPACE
  • 00:11:11.050 --> 00:11:11.240
  • PROGRAM.
  • 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:12.110
  • AND HE'S A BIBLICAL CREATIONIST
  • 00:11:12.110 --> 00:11:14.070
  • WHO HE JUST SAYS EXACTLY WHAT
  • 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:16.090
  • YOU SAY: THE EARTH IS
  • 00:11:16.090 --> 00:11:16.260
  • ESPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR LIFE.
  • 00:11:16.260 --> 00:11:18.010
  • THERE'S EVEN A BOOK HE'S CALLED
  • 00:11:18.010 --> 00:11:19.010
  • "SPACECRAFT EARTH."
  • 00:11:19.010 --> 00:11:19.250
  • IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN THE
  • 00:11:19.250 --> 00:11:21.160
  • UNIVERSE KNOWN TO HAVE ANY SORT
  • 00:11:21.160 --> 00:11:22.250
  • OF LIFE.
  • 00:11:22.250 --> 00:11:24.200
  • IT'S PERFECTLY DESIGNED IN SO
  • 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:25.150
  • MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
  • 00:11:25.150 --> 00:11:26.170
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:11:26.170 --> 00:11:29.030
  • WELL, THAT'S NOT THE THEORY OF
  • 00:11:29.030 --> 00:11:31.020
  • MOST SCIENTISTS TODAY.
  • 00:11:31.020 --> 00:11:33.260
  • THEY'LL SAY THAT WE'RE
  • 00:11:33.260 --> 00:11:34.130
  • INSIGNIFICANT.
  • 00:11:34.130 --> 00:11:37.050
  • AND, IN FACT, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T
  • 00:11:37.050 --> 00:11:38.250
  • EVEN-- THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR
  • 00:11:38.250 --> 00:11:40.150
  • PHDS IN SCIENCE, PEOPLE WHO
  • 00:11:40.150 --> 00:11:41.220
  • HAVE POPULARIZED SCIENCE,
  • 00:11:41.220 --> 00:11:43.260
  • THEY TEACH THIS AS WELL --
  • 00:11:43.260 --> 00:11:45.110
  • PEOPLE LIKE, UM...BILL NYE,
  • 00:11:45.110 --> 00:11:47.170
  • FOR INSTANCE.
  • 00:11:47.170 --> 00:11:48.150
  • - DR. SARFATI: OH, BILL NYE
  • 00:11:48.150 --> 00:11:49.050
  • WHO PLAYED A SCIENCE GUY ON
  • 00:11:49.050 --> 00:11:49.260
  • CHILDREN'S TELEVISION, ONCE.
  • 00:11:49.260 --> 00:11:50.160
  • YEAH.
  • 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:51.210
  • [CLIFTON LAUGHS]
  • 00:11:51.210 --> 00:11:52.140
  • OKAY, BUT THE THING IS HE'S
  • 00:11:52.140 --> 00:11:53.050
  • ALSO A STAUNCH ATHEIST.
  • 00:11:53.050 --> 00:11:54.170
  • AND HE WAS GIVEN "HUMANIST
  • 00:11:54.170 --> 00:11:55.160
  • OF THE YEAR" AWARD,
  • 00:11:55.160 --> 00:11:56.190
  • IT SHOWS HOW-- HOW STAUNCH AN
  • 00:11:56.190 --> 00:11:58.080
  • ATHEIST HE IS.
  • 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:58.290
  • HE SAYS: "I'M INSIGNIFICANT...
  • 00:11:58.290 --> 00:12:00.220
  • I'M JUST ANOTHER SPECK OF SAND.
  • 00:12:00.220 --> 00:12:01.140
  • AND THE EARTH IS JUST ANOTHER
  • 00:12:01.140 --> 00:12:02.110
  • SPECK AND THE SUN AN
  • 00:12:02.110 --> 00:12:03.220
  • UNREMARKABLE STAR.
  • 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:05.210
  • THE GALAXY'S A SPECK.
  • 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:07.020
  • I'M A SPECK ON A SPECK,
  • 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:08.100
  • ORBITING A SPECK AMONG
  • 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:08.270
  • OTHER SPECKS.
  • 00:12:08.270 --> 00:12:10.210
  • AMONGST THE OTHER SPECKS, IN
  • 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:11.260
  • THE MIDDLE OF SPECKLESSNESS,
  • 00:12:11.260 --> 00:12:12.290
  • I SUCK!"
  • 00:12:12.290 --> 00:12:14.080
  • OKAY, HE SAID IT NOT ME, OKAY?
  • 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:15.160
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:16.080
  • - DR. SARFATI: THE POINT IS
  • 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:17.070
  • THE EARTH IS-- IS TINY INSIDE.
  • 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:19.020
  • BUT HE MAKES OUT THAT THIS IS
  • 00:12:19.020 --> 00:12:20.250
  • SOME SORT OF MODERN DISCOVERY,
  • 00:12:20.250 --> 00:12:21.270
  • WHICH IT CLEARLY IS NOT.
  • 00:12:21.270 --> 00:12:23.090
  • AND, ALSO, THE SUN IS NOT AN
  • 00:12:23.090 --> 00:12:26.000
  • UNREMARKABLE STAR.
  • 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:26.220
  • IT'S IN THE TOP 10 PERCENT OF
  • 00:12:26.220 --> 00:12:27.140
  • ALL STARS.
  • 00:12:27.140 --> 00:12:28.230
  • - DAVID: MAIN SEQUENCE G2.
  • 00:12:28.230 --> 00:12:29.260
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:12:29.260 --> 00:12:30.160
  • G2.
  • 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:31.080
  • BUT THERE'S ALSO EXTREMELY
  • 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:32.150
  • STABLE, EVEN FOR G2 STARS.
  • 00:12:32.150 --> 00:12:33.130
  • IT'S A VERY STABLE STAR.
  • 00:12:33.130 --> 00:12:35.110
  • OTHER STARS OUT THERE
  • 00:12:35.110 --> 00:12:35.290
  • HAVE GIANT FLARES.
  • 00:12:35.290 --> 00:12:38.010
  • THE SUN HAS QUITE TINY FLAIRS.
  • 00:12:38.010 --> 00:12:39.090
  • BUT OTHER STARS ARE VERY
  • 00:12:39.090 --> 00:12:40.130
  • ACTIVE.
  • 00:12:40.130 --> 00:12:41.010
  • SO, OUR SUN IS UNIQUELY
  • 00:12:41.010 --> 00:12:42.290
  • QUIESCENT FOR A STAR, IDEAL FOR
  • 00:12:42.290 --> 00:12:44.170
  • LIFE ON A PLANET.
  • 00:12:44.170 --> 00:12:46.180
  • - DAVID: LET'S TALK ABOUT
  • 00:12:46.180 --> 00:12:48.200
  • THOSE GIANT FLARES
  • 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:49.050
  • FOR A SECOND.
  • 00:12:49.050 --> 00:12:49.250
  • IF OUR SUN HAD THESE GIANT
  • 00:12:49.250 --> 00:12:51.040
  • FLARES, WELL, THOSE FLARES
  • 00:12:51.040 --> 00:12:52.150
  • CARRY RADIATION, SOLAR WIND --
  • 00:12:52.150 --> 00:12:53.270
  • THINGS THAT WOULD BE DAMAGING,
  • 00:12:53.270 --> 00:12:55.290
  • CORRECT?
  • 00:12:55.290 --> 00:12:56.170
  • - DR. SARFATI: THEY'D BLOW OUR
  • 00:12:56.170 --> 00:12:57.110
  • ATMOSPHERE AWAY, YOU SEE?
  • 00:12:57.110 --> 00:12:58.250
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:12:58.250 --> 00:12:59.100
  • - DR. SARFATI: THERE'S A
  • 00:12:59.100 --> 00:12:59.290
  • HUGE PROBLEM.
  • 00:12:59.290 --> 00:13:00.140
  • BUT THE SUN IS A REMARKABLY
  • 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:01.120
  • QUIESCENT, UNIQUE STAR.
  • 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.210
  • IT ALSO-- IT'S NOT A DOUBLE
  • 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:04.110
  • STAR.
  • 00:13:04.110 --> 00:13:04.200
  • LIKE, ALPHA CENTAURI, THE
  • 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:05.090
  • NEAREST STAR TO OUR SYSTEM --
  • 00:13:05.090 --> 00:13:07.230
  • IT'S A DOUBLE STAR.
  • 00:13:07.230 --> 00:13:08.140
  • THAT WOULDN'T BE GOOD FOR
  • 00:13:08.140 --> 00:13:10.110
  • PLANETS.
  • 00:13:10.110 --> 00:13:10.280
  • YOU COULDN'T HAVE A PLANET
  • 00:13:10.280 --> 00:13:11.240
  • GOING AROUND, UH--
  • 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.100
  • - DAVID: TWO STARS.
  • 00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:12.260
  • - DR. SARFATI: --MULTIPLE
  • 00:13:12.260 --> 00:13:13.150
  • STARS.
  • 00:13:13.150 --> 00:13:13.240
  • YOU'D GET HUGELY DIFFERENT
  • 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.130
  • CLIMATES WHEN YOU TRY AND DO
  • 00:13:14.130 --> 00:13:15.030
  • IT, OKAY?
  • 00:13:15.030 --> 00:13:15.140
  • - DAVID: OOOOKAY.
  • 00:13:15.140 --> 00:13:16.050
  • - DR. SARFATI: IT'S A
  • 00:13:16.050 --> 00:13:16.220
  • BAD NEWS.
  • 00:13:16.220 --> 00:13:17.040
  • AND THE RED DWARF STAR -- YOU
  • 00:13:17.040 --> 00:13:18.120
  • HAVE TO GET SO CLOSE TO BE
  • 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.140
  • BRIGHT ENOUGH THAT YOU'D BE
  • 00:13:19.140 --> 00:13:21.270
  • EXPOSED TO THEIR FLARE,
  • 00:13:21.270 --> 00:13:22.240
  • THEIR SUPERFLARES.
  • 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.170
  • AND YOU'D BE TIGHTLY LOCKED,
  • 00:13:24.170 --> 00:13:25.070
  • LIKE THE MOON IS TO EARTH.
  • 00:13:25.070 --> 00:13:25.290
  • OKAY?
  • 00:13:25.290 --> 00:13:26.140
  • - DAVID: AH...
  • 00:13:26.140 --> 00:13:27.050
  • - DR. SARFATI: YOU'D HAVE THE
  • 00:13:27.050 --> 00:13:27.260
  • SAME FACE TOWARDS THE STAR,
  • 00:13:27.260 --> 00:13:28.270
  • WHICH IS NO GOOD.
  • 00:13:28.270 --> 00:13:29.230
  • 'CAUSE YOU HAVE PERMANENT DAY
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:30.140
  • ON ONE SIDE, PERMANENT NIGHT ON
  • 00:13:30.140 --> 00:13:31.100
  • THE OTHER SIDE.
  • 00:13:31.100 --> 00:13:31.260
  • UGH. HOPELESS.
  • 00:13:31.260 --> 00:13:33.160
  • - DAVID: SO, YOU'RE SAYING IF
  • 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:34.130
  • OUR SUN WAS MUCH SMALLER, THEN
  • 00:13:34.130 --> 00:13:35.180
  • THE PLANET WOULD HAVE TO BE
  • 00:13:35.180 --> 00:13:37.290
  • MUCH CLOSER TO STAY WARM ENOUGH
  • 00:13:37.290 --> 00:13:39.210
  • AND THAT WOULD CAUSE
  • 00:13:39.210 --> 00:13:41.090
  • SYNCHRONOUS ROTATION...
  • 00:13:41.090 --> 00:13:41.280
  • - DR. SARFATI: IT WOULD.
  • 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:43.060
  • - DAVID: ...MEANING WE WOULD
  • 00:13:43.060 --> 00:13:43.270
  • HAVE CONSTANT BURNING-UP
  • 00:13:43.270 --> 00:13:45.020
  • SUMMERS ON ONE SIDE, AND
  • 00:13:45.020 --> 00:13:46.100
  • CONSTANT NIGHT, AND FREEZING
  • 00:13:46.100 --> 00:13:47.120
  • COLD ON THE OTHER.
  • 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:48.020
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND FREEZING.
  • 00:13:48.020 --> 00:13:48.230
  • EXACTLY.
  • 00:13:48.230 --> 00:13:49.030
  • - DAVID: THAT'S NOT--
  • 00:13:49.030 --> 00:13:51.180
  • SO, YOU'D HAVE THIS TINY, TINY
  • 00:13:51.180 --> 00:13:52.100
  • RIM AROUND THE-- THE--
  • 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:53.070
  • - DR. SARFATI: THE TERMINATOR,
  • 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:53.290
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:13:53.290 --> 00:13:54.080
  • - DAVID: --THE TERMINATOR,
  • 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:54.280
  • RIGHT?
  • 00:13:54.280 --> 00:13:55.070
  • - DR. SARFATI: MY GOODNESS.
  • 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:55.270
  • - DAVID: THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
  • 00:13:55.270 --> 00:13:56.180
  • OKAY.
  • 00:13:56.180 --> 00:13:56.270
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:13:56.270 --> 00:13:57.140
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:13:57.140 --> 00:13:57.280
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, BUT, ALSO,
  • 00:13:57.280 --> 00:13:58.190
  • THE SUN IS IN A VERY GOOD
  • 00:13:58.190 --> 00:13:59.080
  • POSITION IN OUR GALAXY.
  • 00:13:59.080 --> 00:13:59.260
  • IT'S CALLED THE CO-ROTATION
  • 00:13:59.260 --> 00:14:01.190
  • RADIUS, WHICH MEANS THAT IT
  • 00:14:01.190 --> 00:14:02.100
  • ROTATES THE SAME SPEED AS A
  • 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:04.110
  • SPIRAL ARM, SO IT MEANS IT
  • 00:14:04.110 --> 00:14:05.040
  • STAYS IN THE SAME RELATIVE
  • 00:14:05.040 --> 00:14:06.110
  • POSITION...
  • 00:14:06.110 --> 00:14:07.240
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:08.080
  • - DR. SARFATI: ...SO IT DOES
  • 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:09.020
  • CROSS THE SPIRAL ARMS, AND,
  • 00:14:09.020 --> 00:14:10.280
  • THEREFORE, EXPOSE YOU TO
  • 00:14:10.280 --> 00:14:11.190
  • COLLISIONS WITH OTHER STARS
  • 00:14:11.190 --> 00:14:12.090
  • AND THINGS.
  • 00:14:12.090 --> 00:14:14.140
  • AND THE CO-ROTATION'S THE IDEAL
  • 00:14:14.140 --> 00:14:16.240
  • RADIUS FOR A LIFE-BEARING
  • 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:17.160
  • SOLAR SYSTEM.
  • 00:14:18.030 --> 00:14:21.030
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:14:21.030 --> 00:14:21.160
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, WE WOULDN'T
  • 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:22.080
  • WANT TO BE IN THE CENTER OF
  • 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:22.280
  • THE GALAXY.
  • 00:14:22.280 --> 00:14:23.100
  • THERE'S A BLACK HOLE THERE,
  • 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.000
  • WHICH WOULD SWALLOW US UP,
  • 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:24.190
  • WHICH IS NO FUN.
  • 00:14:24.190 --> 00:14:25.240
  • [DAVID LAUGHS]
  • 00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:26.210
  • WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION.
  • 00:14:26.210 --> 00:14:27.100
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:14:27.100 --> 00:14:28.050
  • - DR. SARFATI: BUT THE OTHER
  • 00:14:28.050 --> 00:14:29.180
  • THING THAT HE DOESN'T SEEM TO
  • 00:14:29.180 --> 00:14:31.090
  • REALIZE IS THAT THE TININESS OF
  • 00:14:31.090 --> 00:14:32.010
  • THE EARTH IN SIZE WAS WELL
  • 00:14:32.010 --> 00:14:33.170
  • KNOWN TO THE MEDIEVAL CHURCH.
  • 00:14:33.170 --> 00:14:34.190
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:14:34.190 --> 00:14:37.060
  • - DR. SARFATI: I MEAN, BECAUSE
  • 00:14:37.060 --> 00:14:37.280
  • YOU GO TO PTOLEMY, WHO WROTE
  • 00:14:37.280 --> 00:14:40.100
  • THE ASTRONOMY TEXTBOOK
  • 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:43.250
  • THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
  • 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:44.120
  • MIDDLE AGE.
  • 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:45.110
  • UNTIL GALILEO -- SO, 1500 YEARS
  • 00:14:45.110 --> 00:14:47.020
  • -- THIS WAS THE STANDARD
  • 00:14:47.020 --> 00:14:47.280
  • - DAVID: UH-HUH.
  • 00:14:50.220 --> 00:14:51.170
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND IT SAID THE
  • 00:14:51.170 --> 00:14:52.160
  • EARTH IN RELATION TO THE
  • 00:14:52.160 --> 00:14:53.080
  • DISTANCE OF THE FIXED STARS HAS
  • 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:54.000
  • NO APPRECIABLE SIZE.
  • 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:54.180
  • IT MUST BE TREATED AS A
  • 00:14:54.180 --> 00:14:55.100
  • MATHEMATICAL POINT.
  • 00:14:55.100 --> 00:14:55.290
  • EVERYONE KNEW THIS IN THE
  • 00:14:55.290 --> 00:14:56.180
  • MIDDLE AGES.
  • 00:14:56.180 --> 00:14:57.280
  • BECAUSE ASTRONOMY WAS A
  • 00:14:57.280 --> 00:14:58.200
  • COMPULSORY SUBJECT FOR THE
  • 00:14:58.200 --> 00:14:59.160
  • UNIVERSITIES, BY THE WAY, BUT
  • 00:14:59.160 --> 00:15:00.130
  • ALSO INVENTED IN THE MIDDLE
  • 00:15:00.130 --> 00:15:03.070
  • AGES, MODELED ON THE
  • 00:15:03.070 --> 00:15:04.000
  • THEOLOGICAL COLLEGES.
  • 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:05.210
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:06.270
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO,
  • 00:15:06.270 --> 00:15:07.270
  • THE SO-CALLED DARK AGES
  • 00:15:07.270 --> 00:15:08.150
  • INVENTION -- THEY INVENTED THE
  • 00:15:08.150 --> 00:15:09.060
  • UNIVERSITY, FOR GOODNESS' SAKE.
  • 00:15:09.060 --> 00:15:10.020
  • - DAVID: OH, WOW!
  • 00:15:10.020 --> 00:15:10.170
  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY?
  • 00:15:10.170 --> 00:15:12.110
  • AND THIS WAS-- ASTRONOMY WAS
  • 00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:13.010
  • TAUGHT TO ALL THE CLERGYMEN.
  • 00:15:13.010 --> 00:15:13.210
  • THEY HAD TO STUDY ASTRONOMY.
  • 00:15:13.210 --> 00:15:14.110
  • AND SO, THEY WOULD HAVE LEARNED
  • 00:15:14.110 --> 00:15:15.070
  • ABOUT THE TININESS OF THE
  • 00:15:15.070 --> 00:15:16.150
  • EARTH IN SIZE.
  • 00:15:16.150 --> 00:15:16.280
  • OKAY?
  • 00:15:16.280 --> 00:15:17.260
  • IN FACT, ARISTARCHUS, BEFORE
  • 00:15:17.260 --> 00:15:19.170
  • CHRIST, PROVED THE SUN WAS MUCH
  • 00:15:19.170 --> 00:15:20.160
  • BIGGER THAN THE EARTH.
  • 00:15:20.160 --> 00:15:21.100
  • - DAVID: OH, REALLY?
  • 00:15:21.100 --> 00:15:22.170
  • OKAY.
  • 00:15:22.170 --> 00:15:22.290
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, HE PROVED
  • 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:23.280
  • THAT.
  • 00:15:23.280 --> 00:15:24.090
  • HE SAID IT WAS COMMON
  • 00:15:24.090 --> 00:15:24.260
  • KNOWLEDGE.
  • 00:15:24.260 --> 00:15:25.070
  • - DAVID: UH-HUH.
  • 00:15:25.070 --> 00:15:25.250
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND THEN, THEY
  • 00:15:25.250 --> 00:15:26.210
  • REALIZED SINCE THE STARS ARE SO
  • 00:15:26.210 --> 00:15:27.260
  • FAR AWAY FROM US, THEY MUST BE
  • 00:15:27.260 --> 00:15:30.230
  • VERY BIG FOR US TO BE ABLE TO
  • 00:15:30.230 --> 00:15:32.160
  • SEE THEM.
  • 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:33.120
  • SO, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT EVEN
  • 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.170
  • THE TINIEST STAR WE SEE IN
  • 00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:36.100
  • THE SKY IS BIGGER
  • 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:36.270
  • THAN THE EARTH.
  • 00:15:36.270 --> 00:15:37.230
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:15:37.230 --> 00:15:38.170
  • - DR. SARFATI: THEY ALL KNEW
  • 00:15:38.170 --> 00:15:39.090
  • THAT, YOU SEE.
  • 00:15:39.090 --> 00:15:39.230
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:15:39.230 --> 00:15:40.090
  • THIS WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE?
  • 00:15:40.090 --> 00:15:41.050
  • - DR. SARFATI: IT WAS COMMON
  • 00:15:41.050 --> 00:15:41.280
  • KNOWLEDGE, RIGHT THROUGHOUT
  • 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:43.000
  • THE CHURCH ERA, YOU SEE, THE
  • 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:43.240
  • SO-CALLED DARK AGES.
  • 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:44.230
  • SO, I'D SAY THIS IS A CASE OF A
  • 00:15:47.170 --> 00:15:48.090
  • BUSTED MYTH THAT THE UNIVERSE
  • 00:15:48.090 --> 00:15:49.050
  • THOUGHT-- THEY THOUGHT THE
  • 00:15:49.050 --> 00:15:50.260
  • EARTH WAS BIG AND THE UNIVERSE
  • 00:15:50.260 --> 00:15:52.150
  • WAS POKY AND SMALL.
  • 00:15:52.150 --> 00:15:54.060
  • I MEAN, NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON
  • 00:15:54.060 --> 00:15:55.230
  • SAID THAT ON HIS
  • 00:15:55.230 --> 00:15:56.130
  • IT'S COMPLETE IGNORANCE OF
  • 00:15:59.040 --> 00:15:59.290
  • HISTORY WHICH THESE
  • 00:15:59.290 --> 00:16:00.220
  • GUYS PROMULGATE.
  • 00:16:00.220 --> 00:16:01.210
  • UNFORTUNATELY, OUR GOVERNMENT
  • 00:16:01.210 --> 00:16:02.120
  • SCHOOLS DON'T DO A GOOD JOB OF
  • 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:03.250
  • TEACHING PROPER HISTORY.
  • 00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:04.130
  • - DAVID: NO.
  • 00:16:04.130 --> 00:16:05.050
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:16:05.050 --> 00:16:06.090
  • - DAVID: IT'S REVISION--
  • 00:16:06.090 --> 00:16:07.130
  • REVISED HISTORY, IN MANY CASES.
  • 00:16:07.130 --> 00:16:08.230
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:16:08.230 --> 00:16:09.200
  • - DAVID: AND REVISED HISTORY,
  • 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:10.270
  • IN SO MANY WAYS.
  • 00:16:10.270 --> 00:16:12.040
  • AND WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE
  • 00:16:12.040 --> 00:16:13.010
  • FLAT EARTH PERIOD A BIT.
  • 00:16:13.010 --> 00:16:14.090
  • - DR. SARFATI: YES.
  • 00:16:14.090 --> 00:16:15.170
  • - DAVID: BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN I
  • 00:16:15.170 --> 00:16:16.200
  • WAS TAUGHT IN...SCHOOL
  • 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.200
  • TEXTBOOKS THAT GALILEO-- I
  • 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:20.090
  • MEAN, THAT COLUMBUS THOUGHT HE
  • 00:16:20.090 --> 00:16:22.020
  • WAS GONNA FALL OFF THE EDGE OF
  • 00:16:22.020 --> 00:16:23.080
  • FLAT EARTH.
  • 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:23.220
  • - DR. SARFATI: OH, MY
  • 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:24.090
  • GOODNESS.
  • 00:16:24.090 --> 00:16:24.200
  • - DAVID: RIDICULOUS THINGS,
  • 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:25.100
  • WHERE, LONG BEFORE, PEOPLE KNEW
  • 00:16:25.100 --> 00:16:26.230
  • ABOUT THESE THINGS.
  • 00:16:26.230 --> 00:16:27.150
  • AND...
  • 00:16:27.150 --> 00:16:29.150
  • - DR. SARFATI: MMH...
  • 00:16:29.150 --> 00:16:30.130
  • - DAVID: ...CHRISTIANS, MANY
  • 00:16:30.130 --> 00:16:31.140
  • TIMES, HAD THE UPPER HAND.
  • 00:16:31.140 --> 00:16:32.210
  • WHY DID THEY HAVE THE
  • 00:16:32.210 --> 00:16:33.230
  • UPPER HAND?
  • 00:16:33.230 --> 00:16:34.130
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, BECAUSE
  • 00:16:34.130 --> 00:16:35.100
  • THEY BELIEVE IN A FAITHFUL
  • 00:16:35.100 --> 00:16:37.200
  • CREATOR GOD-- CREATOR GOD, WHO
  • 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.160
  • IS A GOD OF ALL.
  • 00:16:40.160 --> 00:16:41.060
  • HE WASN'T THE GOD OF CONFUSION.
  • 00:16:41.060 --> 00:16:42.110
  • HE'D GIVEN US THE DOMINION
  • 00:16:42.110 --> 00:16:43.150
  • MANDATE, IN GENESIS 1:28.
  • 00:16:43.150 --> 00:16:44.160
  • BEFORE THE FALL.
  • 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:45.130
  • AND, THEREFORE, WE'RE SUPPOSED
  • 00:16:45.130 --> 00:16:47.150
  • TO INVESTIGATE,
  • 00:16:47.150 --> 00:16:48.020
  • WHICH MEANS THE UNIVERSE MUST
  • 00:16:48.020 --> 00:16:49.100
  • BE ORDERLY, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED
  • 00:16:49.100 --> 00:16:51.030
  • TO FIND OUT HOW IT WORKS.
  • 00:16:51.030 --> 00:16:52.030
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:16:52.030 --> 00:16:52.180
  • - DR. SARFATI: GOD HASN'T
  • 00:16:52.180 --> 00:16:53.240
  • REVEALED CERTAIN THINGS
  • 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:54.210
  • IN THE BIBLE.
  • 00:16:54.210 --> 00:16:56.150
  • THE ONLY WAY WE FIND OUT HOW IT
  • 00:16:56.150 --> 00:16:57.090
  • WORKS IS TO GO AND DO
  • 00:16:57.090 --> 00:16:57.260
  • TESTS ON IT.
  • 00:16:57.260 --> 00:16:58.240
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:59.090
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND THAT'S
  • 00:16:59.090 --> 00:17:00.210
  • WHERE THE FOUNDATION OF
  • 00:17:00.210 --> 00:17:01.250
  • EXPERIMENTAL SCIENCE GREW UP,
  • 00:17:01.250 --> 00:17:02.190
  • IN THE CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW, AND
  • 00:17:02.190 --> 00:17:03.260
  • WAS STILL BORN IN ANCIENT
  • 00:17:03.260 --> 00:17:05.060
  • GREECE, ANCIENT CHINA, ANCIENT
  • 00:17:05.060 --> 00:17:06.150
  • ROME, BUT ONLY REALLY
  • 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:07.140
  • FLOURISHED IN MEDIEVAL
  • 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:08.280
  • EUROPE -- THEN, EVEN MORE ON
  • 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:10.210
  • THE REFORMATION PERIOD.
  • 00:17:10.210 --> 00:17:12.070
  • - DAVID: FASCINATING.
  • 00:17:12.070 --> 00:17:13.160
  • LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MOTION OF
  • 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.100
  • THE EARTH, THE SUN, AND
  • 00:17:15.100 --> 00:17:17.000
  • ALL OF THAT.
  • 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:18.010
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, OKAY,
  • 00:17:18.010 --> 00:17:19.090
  • IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT WHEN
  • 00:17:19.090 --> 00:17:20.090
  • YOU GO BACK TO THE MEDIEVAL
  • 00:17:20.090 --> 00:17:21.200
  • TIME, YOU SEE, BECAUSE THEY
  • 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:22.260
  • UNDERSTOOD THE STARS WERE SO
  • 00:17:22.260 --> 00:17:25.030
  • FAR AWAY, THEY'RE IN SOME SORT
  • 00:17:25.030 --> 00:17:26.230
  • OF CELESTIAL SPHERE WHICH MUST
  • 00:17:26.230 --> 00:17:27.200
  • BE MASSIVE, AND THE EARTH IS
  • 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.120
  • TINY BY COMPARISON--
  • 00:17:29.120 --> 00:17:30.090
  • OR, MAYBE, THE EARTH'S WHAT'S
  • 00:17:30.090 --> 00:17:32.050
  • ROTATING AND NOT THE COSMOS.
  • 00:17:32.050 --> 00:17:33.290
  • - DAVID: AH.
  • 00:17:33.290 --> 00:17:34.260
  • - DR. SARFATI: YOU SEE, THIS
  • 00:17:34.260 --> 00:17:35.210
  • WAS PROPOSED BY NICOLE ORESME,
  • 00:17:35.210 --> 00:17:36.120
  • WHO WAS A BISHOP IN GOOD
  • 00:17:36.120 --> 00:17:37.190
  • STANDING IN THE CHURCH.
  • 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:38.280
  • PROBABLY THE GREATEST OF ALL
  • 00:17:38.280 --> 00:17:40.080
  • THE MEDIEVAL SCIENTISTS.
  • 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:42.030
  • IN FACT, HE ANTICIPATED SOME OF
  • 00:17:42.030 --> 00:17:43.220
  • THE THINGS THAT GALILEO WAS
  • 00:17:43.220 --> 00:17:45.140
  • SUPPOSED TO HAVE DISCOVERED 250
  • 00:17:45.140 --> 00:17:46.060
  • YEARS LATER.
  • 00:17:46.060 --> 00:17:47.170
  • AND THE THING IS, OKAY, IF
  • 00:17:47.170 --> 00:17:48.250
  • WE'RE ON THE EARTH AND IT'S
  • 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:50.250
  • MOVING, WHY DON'T WE FEEL IT?
  • 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:52.030
  • IT'S BECAUSE, HE SAID, THAT
  • 00:17:52.030 --> 00:17:52.290
  • EVERYTHING IS GONNA MOVE
  • 00:17:52.290 --> 00:17:54.230
  • WITH THE EARTH.
  • 00:17:54.230 --> 00:17:55.290
  • SO, THE EARTH IS SHARING THIS
  • 00:17:55.290 --> 00:17:57.060
  • MOTION WITH EVERYTHING ON IT --
  • 00:17:57.060 --> 00:17:58.130
  • THE ATMOSPHERE, THE
  • 00:17:58.130 --> 00:17:58.290
  • HYDROSPHERE.
  • 00:17:58.290 --> 00:17:59.280
  • I MEAN, MOST OF US HERE HAVE
  • 00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:02.040
  • BEEN ON AIRPLANES, RIGHT?
  • 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:03.170
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:04.230
  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY, WE GO,
  • 00:18:04.230 --> 00:18:05.130
  • SAY, 500 MILES AN HOUR.
  • 00:18:05.130 --> 00:18:06.010
  • BUT WHEN THE HOSTESS POURS THE
  • 00:18:06.010 --> 00:18:07.080
  • DRINK FOR YOU, IT COMES
  • 00:18:07.080 --> 00:18:08.270
  • VERTICALLY, DOESN'T IT?
  • 00:18:08.270 --> 00:18:10.020
  • - DAVID: THE DRINK...DOESN'T
  • 00:18:10.020 --> 00:18:10.230
  • FLY 500 MILES AN HOUR DOWN TO
  • 00:18:10.230 --> 00:18:11.190
  • THE BACK OF THE PLANE.
  • 00:18:11.190 --> 00:18:12.090
  • - DR. SARFATI: EXACTLY.
  • 00:18:12.090 --> 00:18:12.270
  • NOW, IF YOU WERE LOOKING-- LIKE
  • 00:18:12.270 --> 00:18:13.190
  • WONDER WOMAN, A TRANSPARENT
  • 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:15.030
  • PLANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
  • 00:18:15.030 --> 00:18:16.060
  • YOU LOOKED AT IT, YOU SEE
  • 00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:16.270
  • EVERYTHING MOVING AT 500 MILES
  • 00:18:16.270 --> 00:18:18.010
  • AN HOUR.
  • 00:18:18.010 --> 00:18:18.150
  • BUT IF YOU'RE ON THE PLANE, YOU
  • 00:18:18.150 --> 00:18:20.030
  • THINK YOU'RE SITTING STILL AND
  • 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:21.070
  • EVERYTHING ELSE IS
  • 00:18:21.070 --> 00:18:21.260
  • MOVING WITH YOU.
  • 00:18:21.260 --> 00:18:22.290
  • THAT'S WHAT THEY REALIZED IN
  • 00:18:22.290 --> 00:18:24.180
  • THE MIDDLE AGES.
  • 00:18:24.180 --> 00:18:25.030
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:18:25.150 --> 00:18:28.150
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND THEN, YOU
  • 00:18:28.150 --> 00:18:29.060
  • LOOK TO GALILEO, WHICH IS
  • 00:18:29.060 --> 00:18:30.160
  • SUPPOSEDLY THE MOST FAMOUS OF
  • 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.170
  • THE CONTROVERSIES.
  • 00:18:32.170 --> 00:18:33.130
  • AND, IN FACT, LOTS OF THE
  • 00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:34.020
  • OPPOSITION CAME FROM THE
  • 00:18:34.020 --> 00:18:34.260
  • SECULAR SCIENCE OF THE DAY.
  • 00:18:34.260 --> 00:18:37.050
  • WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:18:37.050 --> 00:18:38.070
  • THERE WERE--
  • 00:18:38.070 --> 00:18:39.060
  • - DAVID: OOH! OKAY.
  • 00:18:39.060 --> 00:18:40.030
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:18:40.030 --> 00:18:40.200
  • BUT, BECAUSE, I MEAN, LISTEN --
  • 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:41.240
  • WE SHOULDN'T FALL FOR THE
  • 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.040
  • FALLACY OF PRESENTISM THAT WE
  • 00:18:43.040 --> 00:18:44.230
  • JUDGE THE PAST BY WHAT WE
  • 00:18:44.230 --> 00:18:45.120
  • KNOW TODAY.
  • 00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:45.240
  • WE HAVE TO JUDGE THE PAST BY
  • 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:46.220
  • WHAT WAS AVAILABLE TO THEM.
  • 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:48.080
  • AND, LET'S FACE IT --
  • 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:50.100
  • IN THOSE DAYS, IT REALLY
  • 00:18:50.100 --> 00:18:51.140
  • WASN'T A SLAM DUNK FOR THE
  • 00:18:51.140 --> 00:18:54.030
  • GALILEO SIDE.
  • 00:18:54.030 --> 00:18:55.060
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:18:55.060 --> 00:18:55.230
  • - DR. SARFATI: I THINK THE
  • 00:18:55.230 --> 00:18:56.260
  • EVIDENCE KNOWN TO THEM WAS
  • 00:18:56.260 --> 00:18:57.260
  • PROBABLY IN FAVOR OF A
  • 00:18:57.260 --> 00:18:58.240
  • STATIONERY EARTH.
  • 00:18:58.240 --> 00:18:59.210
  • - DAVID: OKAY...
  • 00:18:59.210 --> 00:19:00.150
  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY, BACK
  • 00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:01.040
  • THEN.
  • 00:19:01.040 --> 00:19:01.190
  • I THINK, NOW, OF COURSE, WE'VE
  • 00:19:01.190 --> 00:19:03.010
  • GOT VERY GOOD EVIDENCE OF THE
  • 00:19:03.010 --> 00:19:03.240
  • SUN MOVING.
  • 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:04.190
  • OR THE EARTH MOVING AROUND THE
  • 00:19:04.190 --> 00:19:05.160
  • SUN AND ROTATING ONCE A DAY.
  • 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:06.060
  • I AGREE WITH THAT.
  • 00:19:06.060 --> 00:19:07.120
  • BUT, BACK THEN, DID THEY HAVE
  • 00:19:07.120 --> 00:19:08.200
  • THE KNOWLEDGE DO TO THAT?
  • 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:09.270
  • NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
  • 00:19:09.270 --> 00:19:10.140
  • - DAVID: HMMH...
  • 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:11.110
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO.
  • 00:19:11.110 --> 00:19:12.170
  • AND, ALSO, THEY HAD A LOT OF
  • 00:19:12.170 --> 00:19:13.170
  • THE-- THE PROBLEM WAS THE
  • 00:19:13.170 --> 00:19:15.000
  • ARISTOTELIAN PHILOSOPHY.
  • 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.000
  • OKAY?
  • 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:17.280
  • SO, ARISTOTLE SAID THE EARTH
  • 00:19:18.220 --> 00:19:21.220
  • HAD TO BE STATIONARY.
  • 00:19:21.220 --> 00:19:22.130
  • THAT WAS THE DOGMA OF THE DAY,
  • 00:19:22.130 --> 00:19:23.140
  • WHILE ALL OF THE CHURCH,
  • 00:19:23.140 --> 00:19:25.280
  • ACTUALLY, WAS IN FAVOR OF
  • 00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:26.220
  • GALILEO'S IDEA.
  • 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:27.200
  • THEY THOUGHT IT WAS
  • 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.020
  • PRETTY GOOD.
  • 00:19:29.020 --> 00:19:29.270
  • THEY THOUGHT NOTHING WRONG WITH
  • 00:19:29.270 --> 00:19:30.250
  • IT FROM A THEOLOGICAL
  • 00:19:30.250 --> 00:19:32.040
  • PERSPECTIVE.
  • 00:19:32.040 --> 00:19:33.230
  • AND THEY THOUGHT: WELL, GO
  • 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:34.190
  • AHEAD AND PUBLISH IT.
  • 00:19:34.190 --> 00:19:35.060
  • - DAVID: WE DON'T HEAR THIS!
  • 00:19:35.060 --> 00:19:35.270
  • WE HEAR THAT THE CHURCH WAS--
  • 00:19:35.270 --> 00:19:36.180
  • WAS SO OPPOSED TO ANY NEW
  • 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.070
  • SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
  • 00:19:38.110 --> 00:19:41.110
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, IN FACT,
  • 00:19:41.110 --> 00:19:43.040
  • THE CHURCH WAS ACTUALLY THE
  • 00:19:43.040 --> 00:19:44.180
  • FOUNDATION OF A LOT OF THE
  • 00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:45.240
  • SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
  • 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:46.170
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:19:46.170 --> 00:19:47.010
  • - DR. SARFATI: THEY EVEN HAD
  • 00:19:47.010 --> 00:19:48.030
  • THEIR CATHEDRALS USED AS
  • 00:19:48.030 --> 00:19:49.100
  • GIANT OBSERVATORY.
  • 00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:50.220
  • THEY'RE CALLED THE MERIDIANA.
  • 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:52.260
  • YOU HAD A HOLE IN THE ROOF FOR
  • 00:19:52.260 --> 00:19:54.130
  • THE SUN, SO IT'S LIKE A GIANT,
  • 00:19:54.130 --> 00:19:55.240
  • REVERSE SUNDIAL.
  • 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:56.250
  • THEY PLOTTED THE PATH
  • 00:19:56.250 --> 00:19:57.270
  • OF THE SUN.
  • 00:19:57.270 --> 00:19:58.140
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:19:58.140 --> 00:19:59.000
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, IT'S
  • 00:19:59.000 --> 00:19:59.180
  • ACTUALLY BETTER THAN THE
  • 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:00.080
  • TELESCOPES OF THE DAY-- WAS
  • 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:01.010
  • THERE-- THE GIANT OBSERVATORIES
  • 00:20:01.010 --> 00:20:01.230
  • THAT THEY USED THEIR
  • 00:20:01.230 --> 00:20:02.190
  • CATHEDRALS FOR.
  • 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:03.170
  • 'CAUSE THEY WERE STABLE,
  • 00:20:03.170 --> 00:20:04.050
  • GOOD-QUALITY BUILDINGS.
  • 00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:06.090
  • THEY DID NOT ROT.
  • 00:20:06.090 --> 00:20:07.220
  • SO, VERY GOOD FOR MAKING
  • 00:20:07.220 --> 00:20:09.000
  • MEASUREMENTS OF...OF THE WAY
  • 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.010
  • THE SUN MOVED.
  • 00:20:11.010 --> 00:20:11.170
  • AND THEY ACTUALLY PROVED-- KEPT
  • 00:20:11.170 --> 00:20:13.070
  • THOSE LAWS FROM THE MERIDIANA.
  • 00:20:13.070 --> 00:20:14.070
  • THEY COULD TELL THE SUN...SIZE
  • 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:14.280
  • APPEARED TO BE GETTING SMALLER
  • 00:20:14.280 --> 00:20:17.090
  • OR LARGER, WHICH IS CONSISTENT
  • 00:20:17.090 --> 00:20:18.240
  • WITH US MOVING IN AN ELLIPTICAL
  • 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.130
  • ORBIT AROUND THE SUN.
  • 00:20:20.130 --> 00:20:21.010
  • OKAY, SO, THEY ACTUALLY WERE AT
  • 00:20:21.010 --> 00:20:23.050
  • THE FOREFRONT OF SCIENTIFIC
  • 00:20:23.050 --> 00:20:24.180
  • ASTRONOMICAL ADVANCES.
  • 00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:25.110
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:20:25.110 --> 00:20:26.290
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, YOU JUST
  • 00:20:26.290 --> 00:20:28.010
  • MENTIONED SOMETHING A
  • 00:20:28.010 --> 00:20:28.290
  • MOMENT AGO.
  • 00:20:28.290 --> 00:20:29.160
  • YOU SAID THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT
  • 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.200
  • PAST SCIENTISTS, WE HAVE TO
  • 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.000
  • JUDGE THEM BASED ON THE SCIENCE
  • 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:34.150
  • THAT THEY HAD.
  • 00:20:34.150 --> 00:20:35.220
  • - DR. SARFATI: YES.
  • 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:36.080
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:36.290
  • IF I COULD DIVERGE FOR JUST A
  • 00:20:36.290 --> 00:20:38.260
  • SECOND AND TALK ABOUT
  • 00:20:38.260 --> 00:20:39.290
  • CHARLES DARWIN.
  • 00:20:39.290 --> 00:20:40.240
  • CHARLES DARWIN...
  • 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:41.220
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:43.150
  • - DAVID: ...WAS USING
  • 00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:44.190
  • ANTIQUATED INFORMATION
  • 00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:45.100
  • 150 YEARS AGO.
  • 00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:46.260
  • HE WAS USING MICROSCOPES WHERE
  • 00:20:46.260 --> 00:20:49.140
  • HE COULD SEE SOMETHING, BUT HE
  • 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:50.200
  • THOUGHT THAT THE CELL WAS A
  • 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:51.240
  • SIMPLE BAG OF ENZYMES.
  • 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:52.280
  • AND, HE COMES UP WITH ALL OF
  • 00:20:52.280 --> 00:20:55.020
  • THESE THEORIES -- RIGHT? --
  • 00:20:55.020 --> 00:20:56.170
  • WHICH SEEM TO BE TO
  • 00:20:56.170 --> 00:20:58.030
  • HIM SCIENTIFIC.
  • 00:20:58.030 --> 00:20:59.180
  • BUT, WITH THE INFORMATION WE
  • 00:20:59.180 --> 00:21:01.220
  • HAVE NOW, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S
  • 00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:03.160
  • ENTIRELY RIDICULOUS.
  • 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:04.220
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, I THINK
  • 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:05.210
  • HE DID KNOW SOME ORGANELLES.
  • 00:21:05.210 --> 00:21:07.110
  • 'CAUSE THEY HAD DEVELOPED LIGHT
  • 00:21:07.110 --> 00:21:08.030
  • MICROSCOPY TO A
  • 00:21:08.030 --> 00:21:09.010
  • REASONABLE LEVEL.
  • 00:21:09.010 --> 00:21:11.090
  • OF COURSE, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE
  • 00:21:11.090 --> 00:21:12.010
  • MICRO MACHINES THAT WE HAVE--
  • 00:21:12.010 --> 00:21:13.010
  • - DAVID: RIGHT!
  • 00:21:13.010 --> 00:21:13.150
  • - DR. SARFATI: --WHICH I'M
  • 00:21:13.150 --> 00:21:14.050
  • TALKING ABOUT IN ANOTHER
  • 00:21:14.050 --> 00:21:14.230
  • EPISODE, ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE
  • 00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:15.140
  • MICRO MACHINES HE DIDN'T
  • 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:16.020
  • HAVE A CLUE ABOUT!
  • 00:21:16.020 --> 00:21:18.000
  • IN FACT, A LOT OF THE STUFF
  • 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.220
  • THAT WAS BELIEVED EVEN AT THE
  • 00:21:18.220 --> 00:21:20.070
  • SCOPES TRIAL, 1925, MOST
  • 00:21:20.070 --> 00:21:21.090
  • EVOLUTIONISTS HAVE REJECTED.
  • 00:21:21.090 --> 00:21:22.190
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:23.140
  • - DR. SARFATI: I MEAN, SOME OF
  • 00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:24.060
  • THE EVIDENCE I LEARNED IN
  • 00:21:24.060 --> 00:21:26.020
  • HIGH SCHOOL FOR EVOLUTION,
  • 00:21:26.020 --> 00:21:26.240
  • RAMAPITHECUS WAS
  • 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.090
  • SUPPOSED TO BE A
  • 00:21:27.090 --> 00:21:28.040
  • HUMAN ANCESTOR.
  • 00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:28.190
  • NO EVOLUTIONIST BELIEVES
  • 00:21:28.190 --> 00:21:29.070
  • THAT NOW.
  • 00:21:29.070 --> 00:21:30.050
  • - DAVID: YES!
  • 00:21:30.050 --> 00:21:30.180
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, I MEAN, IF
  • 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:31.220
  • YOU MARRY YOUR THEOLOGY TO
  • 00:21:31.220 --> 00:21:33.030
  • TODAY'S SCIENCE, YOU'D BE
  • 00:21:33.030 --> 00:21:34.130
  • WIDOWED TOMORROW WHEN THE
  • 00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:35.080
  • SCIENCE CHANGES.
  • 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:36.260
  • THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
  • 00:21:36.260 --> 00:21:37.130
  • - DAVID: YES.
  • 00:21:37.130 --> 00:21:37.260
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND WE SEE
  • 00:21:37.260 --> 00:21:38.160
  • CHRISTIANS HAVE MADE THE SAME
  • 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:39.080
  • MISTAKE OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
  • 00:21:39.080 --> 00:21:40.210
  • AND, BY THE WAY, THEY MADE THE
  • 00:21:40.210 --> 00:21:41.280
  • SAME MISTAKE IN GALILEO.
  • 00:21:41.280 --> 00:21:42.240
  • THEY TRIED TO READ THE
  • 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.050
  • ARISTOTLE VIEW INTO THE BIBLE
  • 00:21:44.050 --> 00:21:45.250
  • AND TRIED TO MAKE THE BIBLE SAY
  • 00:21:45.290 --> 00:21:48.290
  • WHAT IT DIDN'T, LIKE: THE WORLD
  • 00:21:48.290 --> 00:21:50.150
  • CANNOT BE MOVED.
  • 00:21:50.150 --> 00:21:51.070
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:51.070 --> 00:21:51.240
  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY, THEY
  • 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:52.260
  • POINT TO THE SAME VERB THAT'S
  • 00:21:52.260 --> 00:21:53.250
  • USED WHEN THE PSALMIST SAYS, "I
  • 00:21:53.250 --> 00:21:55.150
  • SHALL NOT BE MOVED," OKAY?
  • 00:21:55.150 --> 00:21:56.040
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:21:56.040 --> 00:21:56.180
  • - DR. SARFATI: IT'S NOT
  • 00:21:56.180 --> 00:21:57.190
  • REFERRING TO PHYSICAL MOVEMENT.
  • 00:21:57.190 --> 00:21:58.270
  • IT'S NOT TEACHING ANYTHING
  • 00:21:58.270 --> 00:21:59.170
  • ABOUT COSMOLOGY.
  • 00:21:59.170 --> 00:22:00.070
  • THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE WORLD
  • 00:22:00.070 --> 00:22:01.170
  • WILL NOT FALTER FROM THE PATH
  • 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:03.110
  • THAT GOD HAS PUT OUT FOR IT.
  • 00:22:03.110 --> 00:22:05.020
  • IT'S NOT SAYING THE PSALMIST IS
  • 00:22:05.020 --> 00:22:06.030
  • IN A STRAIGHTJACKET.
  • 00:22:06.030 --> 00:22:07.100
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:08.020
  • - DR. SARFATI: OBVIOUSLY.
  • 00:22:08.020 --> 00:22:08.240
  • - DAVID: MM-HMM.
  • 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:09.120
  • - DR. SARFATI: SO, IT'S
  • 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:10.060
  • CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:22:10.060 --> 00:22:10.230
  • FALTERING.
  • 00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:11.100
  • - DAVID: INTERESTING.
  • 00:22:11.100 --> 00:22:12.020
  • OKAY.
  • 00:22:12.020 --> 00:22:12.200
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND SO, THE
  • 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:13.120
  • THING IS IF YOU TRY TO READ THE
  • 00:22:13.120 --> 00:22:14.110
  • SCIENCE OF THE DAY INTO THE
  • 00:22:14.110 --> 00:22:15.250
  • PSALMS, YOU GET GEOCENTRISM.
  • 00:22:15.250 --> 00:22:16.280
  • AND I THINK A LOT OF THE CHURCH
  • 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:18.150
  • TODAY IS TRYING TO READ MODERN
  • 00:22:18.150 --> 00:22:20.250
  • EVOLUTION AND LONG AGES INTO
  • 00:22:20.250 --> 00:22:21.210
  • THE BIBLE.
  • 00:22:21.210 --> 00:22:24.170
  • AND THAT'S THE SAME MISTAKE THE
  • 00:22:24.170 --> 00:22:25.230
  • CHURCH MADE WITH GALILEO.
  • 00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:26.290
  • SO, IT'S THE OPPOSITE LESSON
  • 00:22:26.290 --> 00:22:28.040
  • THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT US TO
  • 00:22:28.040 --> 00:22:29.050
  • LEARN FROM THAT.
  • 00:22:29.050 --> 00:22:29.250
  • - DAVID: SO, THAT'S EISEGESIS,
  • 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:32.060
  • NOT EXEGESIS.
  • 00:22:32.060 --> 00:22:32.200
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH,
  • 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:33.120
  • DEFINITELY EISEGESIS, YES.
  • 00:22:33.120 --> 00:22:34.010
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:34.010 --> 00:22:34.160
  • - DR. SARFATI: AND, IN FACT,
  • 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:35.100
  • JUST A SIMPLE LITTLE THING,
  • 00:22:35.100 --> 00:22:36.120
  • HERE.
  • 00:22:36.120 --> 00:22:36.260
  • THERE'S ACTUALLY A PASSAGE
  • 00:22:36.260 --> 00:22:38.000
  • IN THE BOOK OF ACTS
  • 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:39.120
  • WHICH IT SAYS:
  • 00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:41.010
  • "...TOWARD THE MIDDLE OF THE
  • 00:22:41.010 --> 00:22:41.280
  • NIGHT, THE SAILORS BEGAN
  • 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:43.090
  • SENSING SOME LAND TO BE DRAWING
  • 00:22:43.090 --> 00:22:44.250
  • NEAR TO THEM."
  • 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:45.180
  • ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?
  • 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:46.110
  • THAT'S WHAT THE GREEK
  • 00:22:46.110 --> 00:22:47.090
  • TELLS YOU.
  • 00:22:47.090 --> 00:22:47.240
  • - DAVID: HUH!
  • 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:48.080
  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY?
  • 00:22:48.080 --> 00:22:48.270
  • - DAVID: BUT THE LAND
  • 00:22:48.270 --> 00:22:49.160
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH, SO, IT'S
  • 00:22:52.020 --> 00:22:52.230
  • SAYING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW
  • 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:53.140
  • OF THE SAILORS, THE LAND SEEMS
  • 00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:54.050
  • TO BE MOVING.
  • 00:22:54.050 --> 00:22:54.220
  • SO, THE BIBLE ITSELF SAYS YOU
  • 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:55.200
  • CAN USE WHATEVER REFERENCE
  • 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:56.090
  • POINT YOU WANT.
  • 00:22:56.090 --> 00:22:57.230
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:22:57.230 --> 00:22:58.080
  • - DR. SARFATI: NOW, I MEAN,
  • 00:22:58.080 --> 00:22:59.060
  • I'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED
  • 00:22:59.060 --> 00:22:59.270
  • IT'S CALLED-- IT'S A...A
  • 00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:03.080
  • CONSTRUCTION CALLED ACCUSATIVE
  • 00:23:03.080 --> 00:23:03.290
  • INFINITIVES.
  • 00:23:03.290 --> 00:23:04.240
  • SO, I'VE CHECKED THAT THAT IS
  • 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:05.150
  • WHAT THE LITERAL-- THE BEREAN
  • 00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:06.140
  • LITERAL BIBLE IS ACTUALLY
  • 00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:07.030
  • CORRECT, HERE.
  • 00:23:07.030 --> 00:23:07.160
  • THIS IS WHAT IT'S TEACHING.
  • 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:08.250
  • AND MOST BIBLE TRANSLATIONS
  • 00:23:08.250 --> 00:23:09.240
  • DON'T HAVE THAT.
  • 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:10.160
  • 'CAUSE IT HAS THAT WE SENSED
  • 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:12.190
  • WE'D BE DRAWING NEAR
  • 00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:13.270
  • TO THE LAND.
  • 00:23:13.270 --> 00:23:14.140
  • BUT THE GREEK SAYS THE LAND
  • 00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:15.250
  • DRAWING NEAR TO THEM.
  • 00:23:15.250 --> 00:23:17.020
  • - DAVID: TO THEM.
  • 00:23:17.020 --> 00:23:17.170
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH.
  • 00:23:17.170 --> 00:23:18.050
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:23:18.050 --> 00:23:18.210
  • AND THE REFERENCE POINT,
  • 00:23:18.210 --> 00:23:20.000
  • WHATEVER REFERENCE POINT YOU
  • 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.060
  • WANT TO USE, EINSTEIN SORT OF
  • 00:23:22.060 --> 00:23:24.020
  • COMPLETED THAT PICTURE, AS
  • 00:23:24.020 --> 00:23:24.210
  • WELL, DIDN'T HE?
  • 00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:26.040
  • - DR. SARFATI: YEAH, THAT'S
  • 00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:26.240
  • THE POINT.
  • 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:27.080
  • YOU CAN'T SAY, UM, THE EARTH IS
  • 00:23:27.080 --> 00:23:28.110
  • ABSOLUTELY MOVING OR
  • 00:23:28.110 --> 00:23:29.250
  • ABSOLUTELY STATIONARY.
  • 00:23:29.250 --> 00:23:31.140
  • IT DEPENDS ON WHAT REFERENCE
  • 00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:32.040
  • FRAME YOU WANT TO US.
  • 00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:32.270
  • AND THE BIBLE USUALLY USES THE
  • 00:23:32.270 --> 00:23:33.230
  • EARTH AS A REFERENCE.
  • 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:35.220
  • SO, JUST AS YOU AND
  • 00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:36.090
  • I WOULD TODAY.
  • 00:23:36.090 --> 00:23:36.290
  • - DAVID: UH-HUH.
  • 00:23:36.290 --> 00:23:37.280
  • - DR. SARFATI: THE SUN-- "GOT
  • 00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:38.190
  • A BEAUTIFUL SUNSET."
  • 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:39.050
  • WE SAY THAT.
  • 00:23:39.050 --> 00:23:39.260
  • - DAVID: YEAH.
  • 00:23:39.260 --> 00:23:40.180
  • - DR. SARFATI: IT DOESN'T MEAN
  • 00:23:40.180 --> 00:23:41.100
  • WE'RE GEOCENTRISTS.
  • 00:23:41.100 --> 00:23:41.260
  • IT MEANS WE'RE JUST USING IT AS
  • 00:23:41.260 --> 00:23:42.280
  • A REFERENCE FRAME.
  • 00:23:42.280 --> 00:23:44.080
  • SO, HERE'S A PRECEDENT FROM THE
  • 00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:46.070
  • BIBLE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY
  • 00:23:46.070 --> 00:23:47.130
  • CHANGE YOUR REFERENCE FRAME,
  • 00:23:47.130 --> 00:23:48.260
  • JUST AS GALILEO WAS DOING.
  • 00:23:48.260 --> 00:23:50.240
  • - DAVID: ALL RIGHT.
  • 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:53.050
  • UH, LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER
  • 00:23:53.050 --> 00:23:53.240
  • QUESTION THAT WE ASK PEOPLE ON
  • 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:54.150
  • THE STREET.
  • 00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:55.100
  • - DR. SARFATI: OH, YEAH.
  • 00:23:55.100 --> 00:23:55.290
  • - DAVID: AND THIS ONE,
  • 00:23:55.290 --> 00:23:56.170
  • PARTICULARLY INTERESTING, ON
  • 00:23:56.170 --> 00:23:57.070
  • THE FLAT EARTH.
  • 00:23:57.070 --> 00:23:59.150
  • "DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE EARTH
  • 00:23:59.150 --> 00:24:00.080
  • IS FLAT OR ROUND?"
  • 00:24:00.080 --> 00:24:01.030
  • - DR. SARFATI: OH, MY
  • 00:24:01.030 --> 00:24:01.200
  • GOODNESS.
  • 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:02.010
  • OKAY.
  • 00:24:02.010 --> 00:24:03.050
  • [INDISTINCT CHATTER]
  • 00:24:03.050 --> 00:24:05.130
  • - FEMALE VOICE: I WANNA BRING
  • 00:24:05.130 --> 00:24:06.040
  • - INTERVIEWEE: MAN, I'VE BEEN
  • 00:24:07.260 --> 00:24:08.170
  • HEARING SOME WEIRD STUFF
  • 00:24:08.170 --> 00:24:09.050
  • ABOUT THAT.
  • 00:24:09.050 --> 00:24:09.170
  • - INTERVIEWEE: IT'S NEITHER.
  • 00:24:09.170 --> 00:24:10.080
  • IT'S WHOPSIDED.
  • 00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:11.120
  • THE EARTH IS NOT
  • 00:24:11.120 --> 00:24:12.160
  • PERFECTLY ROUND.
  • 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.070
  • UH...IT'S GOT BULGES ALL
  • 00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:15.120
  • OVER IT.
  • 00:24:15.120 --> 00:24:16.210
  • - INTERVIEWEE: OH, MY GOD.
  • 00:24:16.210 --> 00:24:17.210
  • IT'S ROUND.
  • 00:24:17.210 --> 00:24:18.210
  • FOR PETE'S SAKE.
  • 00:24:18.210 --> 00:24:19.190
  • [LAUGHS]
  • 00:24:19.190 --> 00:24:20.280
  • - INTERVIEWEE: [LAUGHS]
  • 00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.260
  • IT'S ROUND.
  • 00:24:21.260 --> 00:24:23.280
  • - INTERVIEWEE: IT'S ROUND.
  • 00:24:23.280 --> 00:24:24.270
  • (LAUGHING) IT'S ROUND.
  • 00:24:24.270 --> 00:24:25.220
  • - INTERVIEWER: ...OR ROUND?
  • 00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:28.140
  • - INTERVIEWEE: IT'S ROUND.
  • 00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.220
  • [LAUGHS]
  • 00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:30.220
  • IT'S ROUND, I PROMISE.
  • 00:24:30.220 --> 00:24:31.220
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT): ROUND.
  • 00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:32.270
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): IT'S
  • 00:24:32.270 --> 00:24:34.050
  • ROUND.
  • 00:24:34.050 --> 00:24:35.240
  • - INTERVIEWEE: IS THE MOON
  • 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:36.140
  • RECTANGLE?
  • 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:37.160
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE: COME ON,
  • 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:38.210
  • MAN.
  • 00:24:38.210 --> 00:24:39.060
  • - INTERVIEWEE: THERE IS A
  • 00:24:39.060 --> 00:24:39.250
  • HORIZON.
  • 00:24:39.250 --> 00:24:40.250
  • AND THERE IS-- THERE IS A BEND
  • 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:42.010
  • THAT WE CAN CALCULATE
  • 00:24:42.010 --> 00:24:44.000
  • AND...WE'VE HAD GUYS FLY INTO
  • 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.290
  • SPACE AND TOOK PICTURES
  • 00:24:45.290 --> 00:24:46.230
  • OF THE PLANET.
  • 00:24:46.230 --> 00:24:47.130
  • I MEAN...
  • 00:24:47.130 --> 00:24:48.200
  • OH! AND THE SCRIPTURES IN
  • 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:49.180
  • PSALMS SAY THE WHOLE
  • 00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:51.080
  • ROUND EARTH.
  • 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:53.240
  • SO, THEY KNEW ABOUT THE EARTH
  • 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:55.090
  • BEING ROUND BEFORE THE
  • 00:24:55.090 --> 00:24:56.040
  • GREEKS DID.
  • 00:24:56.040 --> 00:24:56.230
  • - INTERVIEWEE: WELL, WE HAVE
  • 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:58.200
  • SATELLITES AND IT SHOWS IT
  • 00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:59.160
  • TO BE ROUND.
  • 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.180
  • - INTERVIEWEE: LET'S SEE...THE
  • 00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:03.080
  • OCEANS ARE EVIDENCE, FOR ONE.
  • 00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:05.040
  • WE'VE SEEN THE EARTH
  • 00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:06.170
  • FROM SPACE.
  • 00:25:06.170 --> 00:25:08.180
  • THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD
  • 00:25:08.180 --> 00:25:09.110
  • INDICATION.
  • 00:25:09.110 --> 00:25:10.110
  • - INTERVIEWEE: BUT IT'S
  • 00:25:10.110 --> 00:25:10.290
  • NOT FLAT.
  • 00:25:10.290 --> 00:25:11.100
  • BECAUSE THE SUN MOVES AROUND,
  • 00:25:11.100 --> 00:25:12.140
  • I GUESS.
  • 00:25:12.140 --> 00:25:12.280
  • AND BECAUSE SCIENCE TOLD ME SO.
  • 00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:14.180
  • [LAUGHTER]
  • 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:16.210
  • - INTERVIEWEE (RIGHT): SEE
  • 00:25:16.210 --> 00:25:17.200
  • THEM PICTURES FROM SPACE --
  • 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.100
  • RIGHT? -- THAT WERE--
  • 00:25:19.100 --> 00:25:19.270
  • - INTERVIEWEE (LEFT): PICTURES
  • 00:25:19.270 --> 00:25:20.190
  • FROM SPACE.
  • 00:25:20.190 --> 00:25:21.010
  • HAS ANYBODY FOUND THIS EDGE
  • 00:25:21.010 --> 00:25:21.210
  • OF THE EARTH THAT THEY'RE...
  • 00:25:21.210 --> 00:25:23.200
  • - INTERVIEWEE: BECAUSE I HAVE
  • 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.000
  • ALSO FLOWN ABOVE IT AND NOTICED
  • 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.030
  • THAT THERE'S A CURVATURE.
  • 00:25:28.030 --> 00:25:29.120
  • - INTERVIEWEE: YEAH,
  • 00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:29.290
  • I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE
  • 00:25:29.290 --> 00:25:30.220
  • FLAT-EARTHERS ARE SERIOUS,
  • 00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:31.280
  • TO BE HONEST.
  • 00:25:31.280 --> 00:25:33.160
  • OR SOME OF ARE, BUT MOST OF 'EM
  • 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:34.080
  • - DAVID: IS IT FLAT, OR ROUND,
  • 00:25:37.020 --> 00:25:39.180
  • OR IS IT A SPHERE?
  • 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:41.280
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, IT'S A
  • 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:42.180
  • SPHERE WITHIN .3 PERCENT.
  • 00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:45.050
  • SO, IT'S A PERFECT SPHERE.
  • 00:25:45.050 --> 00:25:45.240
  • COMPARED TO THE DIAMETER, ALL
  • 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.180
  • THE BULGES, AND THE
  • 00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:47.240
  • IRREGULARITIES, IT'S A PERFECT
  • 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.040
  • SPHERE TO WITHIN .3 PERCENT,
  • 00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:51.170
  • OKAY?
  • 00:25:51.170 --> 00:25:52.130
  • SO, IT'S VERY SPHERICAL.
  • 00:25:52.130 --> 00:25:55.050
  • - DAVID: VERY, VERY SPHERICAL.
  • 00:25:55.050 --> 00:25:55.270
  • NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON WOULD SAY
  • 00:25:55.270 --> 00:25:56.180
  • IT'S A OBLATE SPHEROID.
  • 00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:57.140
  • BUT IT'S NEARLY SPHERICAL.
  • 00:25:57.140 --> 00:25:59.220
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, EVEN NEIL
  • 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:00.160
  • DEGRASSE TYSON SAID YOU CAN
  • 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:01.060
  • CALL IT PERFECTLY SPHERICAL,
  • 00:26:01.060 --> 00:26:01.260
  • 'CAUSE THE OBLATENESS IS ONLY
  • 00:26:01.260 --> 00:26:02.240
  • .3 PERCENT.
  • 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.210
  • AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST
  • 00:26:03.210 --> 00:26:04.110
  • DEVIATION FROM SPHERICITY AS
  • 00:26:04.110 --> 00:26:06.190
  • THE OBLATENESS BECAUSE OF
  • 00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:07.240
  • ITS ROTATION.
  • 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.070
  • - DAVID: OKAY.
  • 00:26:08.070 --> 00:26:09.040
  • - DR. SARFATI: OKAY?
  • 00:26:09.040 --> 00:26:10.060
  • BUT THE POINT IS THE ROUNDNESS
  • 00:26:10.060 --> 00:26:12.060
  • OF THE EARTH WAS SO OBVIOUS TO
  • 00:26:12.060 --> 00:26:12.270
  • THE MEDIEVAL CHURCH THAT WHEN
  • 00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:13.290
  • THOMAS AQUINAS WROTE HIS MAGNUM
  • 00:26:13.290 --> 00:26:15.180
  • OPUS, SUMMA THEOLOGIAE, HE WAS
  • 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:17.040
  • TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES
  • 00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:18.150
  • OF PROVING THINGS.
  • 00:26:18.150 --> 00:26:19.200
  • AND HE USED SOMETHING OBVIOUS
  • 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.150
  • TO EVERYONE -- THAT THE EARTH
  • 00:26:21.150 --> 00:26:22.060
  • IS ROUND.
  • 00:26:22.060 --> 00:26:22.230
  • - DAVID: WOW.
  • 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:23.270
  • - DR. SARFATI: HE DIDN'T HAVE
  • 00:26:23.270 --> 00:26:24.180
  • TO EXPLAIN IT.
  • 00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.020
  • HE ASSUMED EVERYONE WOULD
  • 00:26:25.020 --> 00:26:25.210
  • KNOW IT.
  • 00:26:25.210 --> 00:26:26.070
  • I THINK THAT THE MEDIEVAL
  • 00:26:26.070 --> 00:26:26.260
  • STUDENTS WOULD DO A BETTER JOB
  • 00:26:26.260 --> 00:26:27.220
  • THAN MOST OF THOSE GUYS ON THE
  • 00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:30.010
  • STREET IN TELLING YOU WHY IT
  • 00:26:30.010 --> 00:26:30.210
  • WAS ROUND, TOO.
  • 00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:31.050
  • I THINK MOST PEOPLE TODAY KNOW
  • 00:26:31.050 --> 00:26:32.080
  • IT'S ROUND, BUT THEY DON'T
  • 00:26:32.080 --> 00:26:32.270
  • REALLY KNOW WHY.
  • 00:26:32.270 --> 00:26:33.220
  • THEY COULDN'T TELL YOU.
  • 00:26:33.220 --> 00:26:34.250
  • THEY WOULD HAVE TROUBLE ARGUING
  • 00:26:34.250 --> 00:26:35.230
  • WITH IT WITH A FLAT-EARTHER,
  • 00:26:35.230 --> 00:26:37.000
  • I THINK.
  • 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.010
  • - DAVID: TEN SECONDS,
  • 00:26:39.010 --> 00:26:39.230
  • BOTTOM LINE.
  • 00:26:39.230 --> 00:26:40.200
  • - DR. SARFATI: WELL, THE
  • 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:41.240
  • BOTTOM LINE IS THE EARTH
  • 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.020
  • DEFINITELY IS A SPHERE.
  • 00:26:43.020 --> 00:26:44.210
  • THE EARLY CHURCH HAS ALWAYS
  • 00:26:44.210 --> 00:26:46.080
  • KNOWN IT'S A SPHERE.
  • 00:26:46.080 --> 00:26:47.080
  • THE BIBLE DOESN'T CONTRADICT
  • 00:26:47.080 --> 00:26:48.090
  • THAT.
  • 00:26:48.090 --> 00:26:49.190
  • AND, I THINK THE FLAT-EARTH
  • 00:26:49.190 --> 00:26:52.030
  • MOVEMENT IS JUST REALLY
  • 00:26:52.030 --> 00:26:53.080
  • RIDICULOUS, TO BE HONEST.
  • 00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:54.050
  • - DAVID: AND THE BIBLE HAS
  • 00:26:54.050 --> 00:26:55.090
  • STOOD THE TEST OF TIME.
  • 00:26:55.090 --> 00:26:57.080
  • - DR. SARFATI: ABSOLUTELY,
  • 00:26:57.080 --> 00:26:57.280
  • IT HAS.
  • 00:26:57.280 --> 00:26:58.080
  • - DAVID: EVERY TIME.
  • 00:26:58.080 --> 00:26:58.250
  • - DR. SARFATI: ABSOLUTELY.
  • 00:26:58.250 --> 00:26:59.150
  • - DAVID: THANK YOU,
  • 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:00.030
  • THANK YOU FOR JOINING US,
  • 00:27:02.110 --> 00:27:03.090
  • TODAY, ON "CREATION IN THE 21ST
  • 00:27:03.090 --> 00:27:04.010
  • CENTURY."
  • 00:27:04.010 --> 00:27:04.240
  • I HOPE YOU'LL JOIN US NEXT
  • 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:05.130
  • WEEK.
  • 00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:06.080
  • I'M DAVID RIVES.
  • 00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:06.250
  • KEEP LOOKING UP.
  • 00:27:06.250 --> 00:27:08.000
  • TRULY, THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE
  • 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.130