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Tom Newman hosts Caylin Moore from Los Angeles, CA

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August 7, 2019
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Tom Newman hosts Caylin Moore from Los Angeles, CA

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  • - Welcome to today's presentation of Behind The Scenes
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  • with my very special guest Caylin Moore.
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  • Caylin, welcome.
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  • - Thank you.
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  • - Now, Caylin, you wrote a book: A Dream Too Big,
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  • and your journey brings you out of Compton.
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  • - Yes, sir.
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  • - Now, Compton's been in the news a lot
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  • because of a feature film recently out of Compton.
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  • But a lot of people when we hear those things,
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  • if you're not from Compton,
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  • you don't really understand Compton.
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  • So when I ask you, for you to come out of Compton,
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  • to write this is a big deal, tell me why.
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  • - Yeah sure, it was nearly impossible.
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  • You're swimming against the tide of gangs, violence, crime,
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  • and a lot of policy decisions that are out of your control,
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  • and you know, for me to come from where I came from,
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  • to be where I am today
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  • it was almost something that didn't even happen,
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  • it almost didn't come to fruition,
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  • so it's an incredible blessing to be here today.
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  • - So, you didn't always live in Compton?
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  • - Right.
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  • - You went through a situation
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  • where your mom went through a divorce,
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  • while your mom's studying to be a lawyer
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  • finishing law school,
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  • and you guys move in with your grandmother.
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  • So tell me about your transition to that.
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  • - Sure, it was a stark contrast,
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  • I remember, at my elementary school in Moreno Valley,
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  • you know, it was very well resourced and funded
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  • then when I went to school in the Compton,
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  • I remember, one of the first conversations
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  • that we had on the school yard, it was one young boy,
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  • he said, you know, "One day when I go to prison,
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  • "I'm gonna become a gang member."
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  • Another kid said, "One day when I go to prison,
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  • "I'll pretend to be religious,"
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  • then when it came my turn to say what I would do
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  • when I went to prison one day, I didn't know how to respond.
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  • And I don't think those kids at that time knew about,
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  • you know, all the things that caused them
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  • to be in that situation, or in that state of mind.
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  • But I knew really, very quickly that there was something
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  • you know, crazy going on in this area,
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  • something much different.
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  • - So the expectation
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  • for young boys having a playground conversation,
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  • was when I go to prison
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  • rather than when I go to college--
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  • - Precisely. - Or when I get
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  • into my future.
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  • - Absolutely, it's almost as if everything around them,
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  • orients them into a certain, you know, type of pathway.
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  • - So that's what Compton is?
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  • - I would say, unfortunately, yes.
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  • And you do have bright spots in Compton, don't get me wrong.
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  • But I would say overwhelmingly,
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  • there's things that still need to be addressed,
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  • you know, as it pertains to crime
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  • and poverty and inequality.
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  • - Caylin what is A Dream Too Big.
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  • - I think, A Dream Too Big, you know, reference to my book,
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  • it talks about, you know, a story of somebody
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  • that's coming from a place where it seems like
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  • there was no soil and there were no boots,
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  • and someone that was still able to climb and,
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  • you know, rise to the top,
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  • you know, against insurmountable odds.
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  • So, it was a dream that was almost too big
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  • for me to accomplish, and from me chasing down that dream,
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  • I got to realize bigger dreams
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  • of things that I never thought were possible.
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  • - So how old were you and you when you were having
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  • this conversation on the schoolyard?
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  • - I was six years old.
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  • - Six years old, and you're how old today?
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  • - Now, I'm 25.
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  • - So, almost a 20 year span. - Right.
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  • - From talking about what would happen
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  • when somebody went to prison,
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  • to where you're a published author.
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  • And tell us a little bit of your journey through school
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  • because you don't just write a book like this
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  • when you're sitting in Compton from elementary school.
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  • So tell me your journey that got you
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  • to be able to write this book.
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  • - Sure, so I went to high school in Watts,
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  • and by the grace of God,
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  • I was able to go to university in New York.
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  • I did a couple of fellowships and you know,
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  • at the University of Bristol in England
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  • through the Fulbright Program,
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  • then I went in, I studied at Princeton University
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  • in public policy, and it eventually,
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  • my journey took me to Texas Christian University,
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  • and then most recently at the University of Oxford,
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  • in England on a Rhodes Scholarship.
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  • So, I've had a crazy academic journey,
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  • but I've learned so much in the process.
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  • - Okay, now,
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  • your mom's an attorney,
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  • or she at least got her degree
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  • though, she's not a practicing attorney.
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  • Now, you actually told me your mom is now a football coach.
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  • - Right, right (laughs). - That's a whole nother
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  • half hour, we're not gonna spend too much time there.
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  • But your mom's educated.
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  • She's thinking she loves her boy.
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  • How do you start applying even for,
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  • how do you find these opportunities?
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  • Why did you want them?
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  • You're in Compton, you're not thinking like Compton people,
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  • why are you not thinking that way?
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  • Is it because of your mother's?
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  • Tell me your influences that changed you.
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  • - That's super good.
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  • So, I would say Compton people,
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  • just like myself are incredibly industrious,
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  • and given the opportunity like myself,
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  • they'll take advantage of it to the fullest extent.
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  • So when I went to university, I walked around campus,
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  • I put it on a shirt and tie,
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  • a suit similar to yours, actually.
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  • And I walked into each building on campus,
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  • and I introduced myself,
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  • my name is Caylin Moore, I'm from the inner city,
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  • do you have any opportunities for me to better myself?
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  • And a lot of times, you know, people laughed at me,
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  • 'cause they weren't used to having any students
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  • that are that hungry, you know, but I'm coming from Compton,
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  • so it's a different type of hunger
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  • when you get an opportunity.
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  • So eventually, you know,
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  • people started handing me applications to apply to,
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  • and that's how I was apprised of all these opportunities.
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  • - All right.
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  • (chuckles) Who coached you?
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  • Who trained you?
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  • Who said, Caylin put on suit,
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  • and start walking and asking about?
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  • I mean, where did that come from, is that you?
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  • - I would say I was trained by life.
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  • Life was my teacher, God was my teacher,
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  • and God was my father.
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  • And everything that I had been through up to that point,
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  • it just culminated in me knowing that I would have
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  • so few opportunities back home,
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  • that I have to go the extra mile,
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  • because there's so few opportunities to go around.
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  • So, I can't say anyone in particular told me that
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  • I just, I credit God, I credit, you know, just hunger.
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  • - Who's on the inside of you
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  • that's doing and that driving that?
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  • - The Lord, I'm not quite sure I--
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  • - Tell me about your journey how do you know Jesus?
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  • Tell me about your journey with your faith.
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  • - Oh, sure.
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  • So I found, when I was, you know, we always went to church,
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  • my mom is a very religious,
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  • very spiritual individual, right, she's a Christian.
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  • And I remember, you know, finding a comic book
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  • in a Kmart parking lot one time, and I picked it up,
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  • and the comic book, it was the only one I owned,
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  • it was about the life of Jesus.
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  • And I remember, you know, talking about miracles
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  • and these different things.
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  • And at that time period of my life,
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  • I was in need of a miracle.
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  • My mom had a tumor on one of the chambers of her heart,
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  • so she went in for open-heart surgery.
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  • So I needed one of those miracles,
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  • and I remember, you know, really praying really hard
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  • during that time period.
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  • That's when I adopted faith as my own.
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  • So for me, I adopted faith not as something that was routine
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  • or something I do, 'cause that's what we do,
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  • I adopted it as something that was my own, very early on,
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  • around the age of nine.
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  • - Wow, so when that happened,
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  • tell me exactly how that flushed out,
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  • was it a prayer for you?
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  • I mean, tell me how you got in touch with that.
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  • - Sure so, just a combination of,
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  • you know, we are always raised in the church.
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  • And I just, you know, I just picked up,
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  • I started paying attention, I started taking notes,
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  • I was so you know, wrapped up in the idea that,
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  • you know, I needed God and I needed a savior,
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  • and I was in need of a miracle at that particular time.
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  • - Wow!
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  • Caylin A Dream Too Big,
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  • let's watch a little bit of you talking about your book.
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  • Let's go there.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - I Googled the words Compton and Oxford,
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  • and I couldn't find anything
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  • that associated those two places,
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  • unless it was related to my own name.
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  • And for me, that's not a source of pride,
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  • but a place of great anguish,
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  • and something that I will endeavor to change.
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  • Where I come from, the word traumatized is an understatement
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  • to describe the experiences of young black men.
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  • But even in places like this,
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  • miracles, and marvelous things still can happen.
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  • One of my primary hopes is that my book can bridge the gap
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  • between those two places, between Compton and Oxford,
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  • places in which have almost zero interaction
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  • up to this point.
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  • But while illuminating my own story,
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  • my hope ultimately, is that it can inspire someone else
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  • to chase down a dream
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  • that appears to be too big to accomplish.
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  • My name is Caylin Moore,
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  • I'm the author of A Dream Too Big.
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  • The story of an improbable journey from Compton to Oxford.
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  • - Wow, my guest Caylin Moore, A Dream Too Big,
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  • available everywhere in Christian bookstores
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  • curated by Thomas Nelson, it's all over.
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  • I wanna encourage you to get this book.
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  • It's an amazing journey of a young man
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  • that we're gonna hear a lot more from in the future,
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  • I've got a big feeling.
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  • Caylin, how do you write a book?
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  • I mean, why are you thinking your story
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  • is something to be told?
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  • Who's helping you along the way with that?
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  • And I mean, you're 25 did you say?
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  • - Yes, sir.
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  • - 25 years old, and you've already written a book.
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  • You've been in college, when did you graduate from college?
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  • - Two years ago from undergraduate,
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  • and then this year from graduate school?
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  • - So, you've just been in school the whole time?
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  • - Yes, sir (chuckles).
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  • - And what's next?
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  • - I'll be applying to PhD programs in the fall.
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  • So more school, I'm hoping to become a professor.
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  • - Why?
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  • - For me, so, I wanna study all these issues
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  • that we talk about in Compton, and I wanna really,
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  • you know, dive deep in some policy solutions
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  • to change and ameliorate these problems over time.
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  • So that's why I want to become a sociologist,
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  • to really, you know, dive deep into these things.
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  • - So do you think being a teacher and passing on those ideas
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  • is more important than being a policy maker?
  • 00:10:04.040 --> 00:10:06.220
  • - It's funny, you say that, and I thought deeply about this.
  • 00:10:06.220 --> 00:10:09.250
  • There's a quote, and I forget who said it, they said,
  • 00:10:09.250 --> 00:10:12.060
  • "Whatever happens on the college campus
  • 00:10:12.060 --> 00:10:14.110
  • "takes root in society five years later."
  • 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:16.290
  • And I can guarantee that that's the truth,
  • 00:10:16.290 --> 00:10:18.260
  • you know, all throughout society,
  • 00:10:18.260 --> 00:10:20.120
  • look how, you know, the change in dynamics of the,
  • 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.260
  • you know, American life, it's all influenced by, you know,
  • 00:10:22.260 --> 00:10:25.160
  • academics, you know, for better or for worse.
  • 00:10:25.160 --> 00:10:27.250
  • So it's super important for somebody
  • 00:10:27.250 --> 00:10:29.200
  • that's interested in making a impact on society,
  • 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.010
  • to engage in academia in that way.
  • 00:10:32.010 --> 00:10:34.080
  • - Now Caylin, you've been in some
  • 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:38.100
  • relatively think tank universities,
  • 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:40.200
  • you're not going to the common, everyday college experience
  • 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:44.240
  • that a lot of people are going through.
  • 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.280
  • You're also a Christian with Christian values.
  • 00:10:46.280 --> 00:10:49.080
  • - [Caylin] Yes sir.
  • 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:50.060
  • - What are you finding in those
  • 00:10:50.060 --> 00:10:51.200
  • institutions of higher learning, does it support your faith?
  • 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.120
  • Attack your faith?
  • 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:56.220
  • Where's all that taking you?
  • 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:58.080
  • - Yeah, I think,
  • 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.230
  • you know, so for me, as an African American individual,
  • 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:02.120
  • the people that I usually run into on these campuses
  • 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.250
  • are people of faith. But I would say a lot of times
  • 00:11:04.250 --> 00:11:07.010
  • from people of other backgrounds,
  • 00:11:07.010 --> 00:11:08.210
  • they don't have such a positive disposition on faith,
  • 00:11:08.210 --> 00:11:11.170
  • you know, in academic institutions,
  • 00:11:11.170 --> 00:11:13.050
  • you know, praying over your food,
  • 00:11:13.050 --> 00:11:14.200
  • people kinda laugh at you, they might make fun of you,
  • 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.160
  • they might not have a belief system theirselves,
  • 00:11:17.160 --> 00:11:19.220
  • and especially, you know, may not be Christians at all.
  • 00:11:19.220 --> 00:11:22.000
  • So a lot of times, they're not very welcoming
  • 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:23.210
  • to these things, but I can attest
  • 00:11:23.210 --> 00:11:25.190
  • to the fact that people use the,
  • 00:11:25.190 --> 00:11:27.000
  • you know, from my same demographic background
  • 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.110
  • of African American people or people from the inner city,
  • 00:11:29.110 --> 00:11:31.220
  • they use their pretty strong faith backgrounds,
  • 00:11:31.220 --> 00:11:33.280
  • even at these elite spaces.
  • 00:11:33.280 --> 00:11:35.210
  • - Okay, speaking of the book, A Dream Too Big.
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  • When people read this book, what do they walk away with?
  • 00:11:40.180 --> 00:11:43.220
  • - They walk away with hope.
  • 00:11:43.220 --> 00:11:45.130
  • If nothing else, you know, my personal hope
  • 00:11:45.130 --> 00:11:48.140
  • is that this book can give somebody hope
  • 00:11:48.140 --> 00:11:50.150
  • that's having a hard time holding on to it.
  • 00:11:50.150 --> 00:11:52.190
  • - You seem to have a great deal of self motivation.
  • 00:11:54.020 --> 00:11:57.050
  • Now, you know, you're on the playground,
  • 00:11:57.050 --> 00:12:00.040
  • and some people are talking about, when they go to prison
  • 00:12:00.040 --> 00:12:02.250
  • what they're gonna become part of.
  • 00:12:02.250 --> 00:12:05.050
  • Those words didn't come out of you.
  • 00:12:05.050 --> 00:12:06.240
  • You never said when I go to prison, I'm going to, did you?
  • 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:10.110
  • You didn't join, and you were in the conversation
  • 00:12:10.110 --> 00:12:14.000
  • but you probably were saying,
  • 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.160
  • when I go to college, I'm going to, instead of that.
  • 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:19.140
  • Where does that, what was the difference?
  • 00:12:19.140 --> 00:12:21.280
  • - Yeah, I would like to say, for that time period,
  • 00:12:21.280 --> 00:12:24.150
  • having moved from Moreno Valley to you know, to that area,
  • 00:12:24.150 --> 00:12:28.240
  • I hadn't been indoctrinated yet to think a certain way,
  • 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.270
  • you know, I hadn't gone through the indoctrination
  • 00:12:31.270 --> 00:12:34.030
  • that those other young boys did, that made them, you know,
  • 00:12:34.030 --> 00:12:36.190
  • not value themselves and not love themselves,
  • 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:38.270
  • and not see great things in themselves.
  • 00:12:38.270 --> 00:12:40.230
  • So I had a much different upbringing,
  • 00:12:40.230 --> 00:12:42.120
  • up to that point of six years, that, you know,
  • 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.170
  • it didn't have me thinking like that.
  • 00:12:44.170 --> 00:12:46.030
  • That's why when they asked me, when it was my turn to speak,
  • 00:12:46.030 --> 00:12:48.230
  • I had never even thought about it yet,
  • 00:12:48.230 --> 00:12:50.140
  • which I could tell they've given a lot of thoughts of this
  • 00:12:50.140 --> 00:12:52.230
  • and a lot of mental preparation up to that point.
  • 00:12:52.230 --> 00:12:55.120
  • So I'll say both of us could have been the same,
  • 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.170
  • given the same opportunities or the different opportunities.
  • 00:12:57.170 --> 00:12:59.150
  • - So what did you say, when it was your turn to talk?
  • 00:12:59.150 --> 00:13:02.250
  • - I remember, I just stood there quietly,
  • 00:13:02.250 --> 00:13:05.010
  • and I just thought about it like, prison, hmm, where's that?
  • 00:13:05.010 --> 00:13:10.010
  • I didn't really know much about it.
  • 00:13:11.050 --> 00:13:12.030
  • And then they told us some rumor
  • 00:13:12.030 --> 00:13:13.170
  • that they were talking about, they started talking about
  • 00:13:13.170 --> 00:13:16.010
  • that private prisons were built based off
  • 00:13:16.010 --> 00:13:18.210
  • a third grade test scores.
  • 00:13:18.210 --> 00:13:20.070
  • And that's when in my head, I was like, okay, I need to get,
  • 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:22.110
  • you know, in better classes,
  • 00:13:22.110 --> 00:13:23.160
  • 'cause I don't wanna go to prison.
  • 00:13:23.160 --> 00:13:24.230
  • I didn't know what private prison was,
  • 00:13:24.230 --> 00:13:26.080
  • but I know, I don't want anything to do with that.
  • 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.080
  • So that's what I remember,
  • 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:29.230
  • I didn't really say much during that conversation.
  • 00:13:29.230 --> 00:13:31.140
  • - So, from your time in Compton,
  • 00:13:31.140 --> 00:13:33.100
  • have you stayed in touch with any of your classmates,
  • 00:13:33.100 --> 00:13:35.150
  • and do you still have friends from the Compton area,
  • 00:13:35.150 --> 00:13:38.130
  • and are you talking to them,
  • 00:13:38.130 --> 00:13:39.130
  • or you send them your book or?
  • 00:13:39.130 --> 00:13:41.030
  • Tell me your journey with that.
  • 00:13:41.030 --> 00:13:42.190
  • - Absolutely, so I still have a lot of friends from Compton,
  • 00:13:42.190 --> 00:13:45.030
  • I went to high school in Watts,
  • 00:13:45.030 --> 00:13:47.000
  • you know, which is a even tougher community.
  • 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.000
  • So I still have a lot of friends but I see stark contrast,
  • 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.220
  • you know, in their life outcomes.
  • 00:13:52.220 --> 00:13:54.140
  • For some of my friends that got into like the magnet
  • 00:13:54.140 --> 00:13:57.030
  • or the highly gifted programs,
  • 00:13:57.030 --> 00:13:58.260
  • Cornell, Yell, Dartmouth, Brown,
  • 00:13:58.260 --> 00:14:02.110
  • but some of my friends that weren't able to get
  • 00:14:02.110 --> 00:14:04.080
  • those extra classes and those better teachers,
  • 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.230
  • you know, you see 'em on the five o'clock news.
  • 00:14:06.230 --> 00:14:09.280
  • - Wow, have you really seen some of your friends
  • 00:14:09.280 --> 00:14:12.070
  • on the five o'clock news?
  • 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:13.140
  • - I actually have, I can tell you a story.
  • 00:14:13.140 --> 00:14:15.180
  • I remember, I was walking home with one of my friends,
  • 00:14:15.180 --> 00:14:20.080
  • my cousin and my brother,
  • 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.220
  • and there were some gang members in my neighborhood,
  • 00:14:21.220 --> 00:14:24.120
  • and they asked us if any of us
  • 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.060
  • wanted to get initiated into the gang.
  • 00:14:26.060 --> 00:14:28.170
  • And for me, you know, I had my football with me
  • 00:14:28.170 --> 00:14:30.240
  • so I was like oh, no, I'm good I play football.
  • 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.250
  • But one of my friends, you know,
  • 00:14:32.250 --> 00:14:34.180
  • he walked into the garage with the gang members.
  • 00:14:34.180 --> 00:14:37.000
  • I haven't seen him since that day.
  • 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.110
  • And I can, you know, I can only imagine
  • 00:14:39.110 --> 00:14:41.040
  • the life outcomes that he's had,
  • 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:42.220
  • were much different educational opportunities,
  • 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:45.130
  • much different, you know, mentorship opportunities,
  • 00:14:45.130 --> 00:14:47.210
  • much more family different,
  • 00:14:47.210 --> 00:14:49.050
  • you know, much different family opportunities than I've had.
  • 00:14:49.050 --> 00:14:51.070
  • So, it's just crazy, it's sad almost
  • 00:14:51.070 --> 00:14:53.120
  • to see how our lives can take a different trajectory
  • 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.240
  • just because of a couple of different decisions?
  • 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.070
  • - Yeah, the last few weeks, you've been on
  • 00:14:58.070 --> 00:15:01.010
  • Good Morning America. - Yes, sir.
  • 00:15:01.010 --> 00:15:03.030
  • - You've been on 700 Club.
  • 00:15:03.030 --> 00:15:04.210
  • - [Caylin] Yeah, I loved it.
  • 00:15:04.210 --> 00:15:05.270
  • - You are talking and sharing your story
  • 00:15:05.270 --> 00:15:08.100
  • about A Dream Too Big with audiences around this country
  • 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:13.000
  • and around the world.
  • 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:14.140
  • You're applying, you just graduated from Oxford.
  • 00:15:14.140 --> 00:15:17.080
  • - [Caylin] Yes, sir.
  • 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:18.070
  • - That's not in this country.
  • 00:15:18.070 --> 00:15:19.260
  • - Right, it's in England. - A lot of people
  • 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:21.030
  • don't even know that's in England.
  • 00:15:21.030 --> 00:15:22.090
  • So you're traveling internationally,
  • 00:15:22.090 --> 00:15:24.140
  • you're writing your books going around the world,
  • 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:26.190
  • you're being interviewed everywhere.
  • 00:15:26.190 --> 00:15:28.190
  • Out of that experience, what is God speaking to you?
  • 00:15:30.010 --> 00:15:33.250
  • - To be humble, to be humble in the face of accomplishments,
  • 00:15:33.250 --> 00:15:37.100
  • the face of adversity, the face of negativity,
  • 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:40.000
  • just to be humbled through it all.
  • 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:41.190
  • And to know that, you know, it's not about me, it's about,
  • 00:15:41.190 --> 00:15:45.010
  • you know, it's about God more so than it is about myself.
  • 00:15:45.010 --> 00:15:47.230
  • And about whom I'm uplifting.
  • 00:15:47.230 --> 00:15:49.140
  • You know, and for me, I'm uplifting the voice
  • 00:15:49.140 --> 00:15:51.180
  • of the voiceless, in this case, the people from Compton
  • 00:15:51.180 --> 00:15:54.240
  • that may never be able to tell their story,
  • 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.290
  • and people usually will speak about them,
  • 00:15:56.290 --> 00:15:59.260
  • but never allowed them to speak for themselves.
  • 00:15:59.260 --> 00:16:02.190
  • - So tell me your journey to get a book contract.
  • 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:05.160
  • - Right. - Who are you talking to
  • 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:08.000
  • at Thomas Nelson, or who comes to you and says,
  • 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.220
  • you outta write a book?
  • 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:11.270
  • How does it go from there to here?
  • 00:16:11.270 --> 00:16:15.000
  • - That's a great question.
  • 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.080
  • So, it first started off in high school,
  • 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.260
  • I started to write what I call the Book of Wisdom,
  • 00:16:18.260 --> 00:16:21.140
  • and I'll write down little quotes
  • 00:16:21.140 --> 00:16:22.270
  • of everything that I learned,
  • 00:16:22.270 --> 00:16:24.200
  • I just had it in my mind that, you know,
  • 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.050
  • God could teach me from anyone,
  • 00:16:26.050 --> 00:16:27.250
  • I can learn from the homeless man,
  • 00:16:27.250 --> 00:16:29.070
  • I can learn from the man that was in prison,
  • 00:16:29.070 --> 00:16:31.080
  • I can learn from a woman that doesn't have much,
  • 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.120
  • I can learn from anybody.
  • 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.260
  • So I just started writing down all these quotes,
  • 00:16:34.260 --> 00:16:36.180
  • and then after a time,
  • 00:16:36.180 --> 00:16:38.040
  • you know, it morphed into me like writing down my story,
  • 00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:40.250
  • thinking about details of what has shaped me.
  • 00:16:40.250 --> 00:16:42.270
  • And then when I was in high school,
  • 00:16:42.270 --> 00:16:44.240
  • I had the Children's Defense Fund,
  • 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.170
  • you know, filmed a little documentary on me.
  • 00:16:46.170 --> 00:16:48.150
  • And I was really, you know, I was really hesitant--
  • 00:16:48.150 --> 00:16:50.210
  • - How old?
  • 00:16:50.210 --> 00:16:51.160
  • - When I was 17.
  • 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:53.260
  • - Okay. - Right, and I was really
  • 00:16:53.260 --> 00:16:55.020
  • hesitant about sharing my story,
  • 00:16:55.020 --> 00:16:57.020
  • you know, I don't want, you don't want people to know
  • 00:16:57.020 --> 00:16:58.140
  • that you're poor, that you don't have much
  • 00:16:58.140 --> 00:17:00.130
  • that, you know, who wants that as a kid, right?
  • 00:17:00.130 --> 00:17:02.110
  • - It'd be embarrassing to your mother.
  • 00:17:02.110 --> 00:17:04.130
  • - Right, it's extremely embarrassing to you,
  • 00:17:04.130 --> 00:17:06.040
  • you're going to school, you know.
  • 00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:07.240
  • And you assume that a lot of people have the same struggles,
  • 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.200
  • but out of that documentary, a lot of people were inspired
  • 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.150
  • and it inspired me like, wow, you know,
  • 00:17:14.150 --> 00:17:16.010
  • there's actual value in my story,
  • 00:17:16.010 --> 00:17:18.080
  • people can actually take something from it.
  • 00:17:18.080 --> 00:17:20.020
  • So from that point forward, I kinda had it in my mind that,
  • 00:17:20.020 --> 00:17:22.180
  • you know, I wanted to write a book,
  • 00:17:22.180 --> 00:17:24.030
  • I think people will be able to benefit and learn something
  • 00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:26.080
  • just like you learned something from,
  • 00:17:26.080 --> 00:17:28.030
  • from the Hillbilly Elegy, by J.D. Vance,
  • 00:17:28.030 --> 00:17:30.120
  • or you learned something from Educated, by Tara Westover.
  • 00:17:30.120 --> 00:17:33.160
  • You know, it takes you into a different world
  • 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:35.130
  • and allows you to see a perspective from you know,
  • 00:17:35.130 --> 00:17:37.180
  • from something that you may have never seen.
  • 00:17:37.180 --> 00:17:39.040
  • So you can have a greater level of empathy.
  • 00:17:39.040 --> 00:17:41.170
  • So that's kind of where my journey towards writing a book,
  • 00:17:41.170 --> 00:17:44.030
  • and then you have literary agents and, you know,
  • 00:17:44.030 --> 00:17:46.250
  • you meet literary agents, you know, publishers
  • 00:17:46.250 --> 00:17:49.020
  • and things like that, more of the technical details.
  • 00:17:49.020 --> 00:17:51.020
  • - Who did you meet that put this in motion for you?
  • 00:17:51.020 --> 00:17:54.040
  • - Oh, man, I don't wanna say her name.
  • 00:17:54.040 --> 00:17:55.200
  • - Come on. - I don't know if she,
  • 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.050
  • I don't know if she will like that, man, I'm sorry.
  • 00:17:57.050 --> 00:17:58.250
  • - That's all right, but,
  • 00:17:58.250 --> 00:18:00.210
  • how long has the book been out?
  • 00:18:02.280 --> 00:18:04.200
  • - The book has been out since June 4th.
  • 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.290
  • - [Tom] Okay, so relatively new release.
  • 00:18:06.290 --> 00:18:08.280
  • - [Caylin] Right.
  • 00:18:08.280 --> 00:18:09.280
  • - My guest today is Caylin Moore,
  • 00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:11.270
  • he wrote a book called A Dream Too Big.
  • 00:18:11.270 --> 00:18:14.140
  • It's an amazing, improbable journey from Compton to Oxford,
  • 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:19.140
  • to God only knows what's next.
  • 00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:21.280
  • It's gonna be fun to watch you on your journey.
  • 00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:24.100
  • So, you said you're getting ready to apply to PhD programs.
  • 00:18:24.100 --> 00:18:28.280
  • - [Caylin] Yes, sir.
  • 00:18:28.280 --> 00:18:30.060
  • - And you're study's going to be social.
  • 00:18:30.060 --> 00:18:32.050
  • - [Caylin] Ah, sociology.
  • 00:18:32.050 --> 00:18:33.130
  • - Sociology. - Yes, sir, urban sociology.
  • 00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:35.030
  • poverty studies, gang violence,
  • 00:18:35.030 --> 00:18:36.250
  • those are the things I'm gonna study.
  • 00:18:36.250 --> 00:18:38.030
  • - Do you care to share where you're applying?
  • 00:18:38.030 --> 00:18:39.280
  • - Sure, I'm gonna apply, you know, to all the elite schools,
  • 00:18:39.280 --> 00:18:43.100
  • I guess, you know, all those Ivy League schools,
  • 00:18:43.100 --> 00:18:46.010
  • all those types of places.
  • 00:18:46.010 --> 00:18:47.280
  • And Stanford too, you know (chuckles).
  • 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:50.050
  • - So when that journey's over,
  • 00:18:50.050 --> 00:18:52.200
  • you fully intend to go into some type of
  • 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.060
  • Associate Professor program?
  • 00:18:55.060 --> 00:18:56.250
  • - Oh, surely, yes, my goal is to be
  • 00:18:56.250 --> 00:18:58.240
  • a tenured faculty member,
  • 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.130
  • and become a professor integral part of,
  • 00:19:00.130 --> 00:19:02.250
  • you know, whatever research community, whatever university.
  • 00:19:02.250 --> 00:19:05.080
  • - And when I talked to you earlier about
  • 00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:08.080
  • going into being a professor,
  • 00:19:08.080 --> 00:19:10.200
  • being in the college profession versus going into politics,
  • 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:14.010
  • and shaping politics, your response was,
  • 00:19:14.010 --> 00:19:17.120
  • you believe it's better there,
  • 00:19:17.120 --> 00:19:18.180
  • because what's happening on the campus now,
  • 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:21.170
  • four or five years from then,
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  • it's going to be manifest in society.
  • 00:19:23.180 --> 00:19:25.170
  • - Certainly. - So you believe this the,
  • 00:19:25.170 --> 00:19:27.220
  • it's basically the for runner
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  • to what's going to happen? - Oh, for sure.
  • 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.180
  • - But let's just look at college campuses in recent months,
  • 00:19:32.180 --> 00:19:37.160
  • there's been a lot of controversies,
  • 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.200
  • things at Berkeley and other places
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  • where there's been anti-hate speech
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  • or whatever you wanna call,
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  • there's a lot of conservative voices
  • 00:19:45.290 --> 00:19:47.210
  • have been shut down on campuses--
  • 00:19:47.210 --> 00:19:48.290
  • - [Caylin] Censorship is what they call it.
  • 00:19:48.290 --> 00:19:51.030
  • - What are you seeing in that, and what are you seeing
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  • for the future of colleges and freedom of expression
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  • and freedom of speech?
  • 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.020
  • - Yeah, for myself, I think I'm probably
  • 00:19:58.020 --> 00:19:59.260
  • in the same camp as you.
  • 00:19:59.260 --> 00:20:01.120
  • I'm against, you know, censorship of any type,
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  • and this is, you know, in the extreme version,
  • 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:06.030
  • where, you know, if you wanna bring in
  • 00:20:06.030 --> 00:20:07.290
  • people like Martin Luther King, or Malcolm X,
  • 00:20:07.290 --> 00:20:11.010
  • you know, you also have to let in, you know, David Duke,
  • 00:20:11.010 --> 00:20:14.160
  • and you have to let in Richard Spencer.
  • 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.240
  • And the reason why I believe in this,
  • 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.220
  • is that, you know, you need to allow,
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  • you know, you shouldn't have any type of censorship
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  • for allowing people to express their ideas,
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  • as much as I may disagree with those ideas,
  • 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:27.160
  • very strongly mind you,
  • 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.020
  • you still need to allow them to the opportunity to do that.
  • 00:20:29.020 --> 00:20:31.180
  • That's democracy, that's the nature of democracy.
  • 00:20:31.180 --> 00:20:33.260
  • - So when you feel like ideas are expressed,
  • 00:20:33.260 --> 00:20:38.150
  • do you feel like the good ideas win,
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  • or the most volatile ideas win?
  • 00:20:42.010 --> 00:20:44.230
  • - It's difficult to say sometimes,
  • 00:20:44.230 --> 00:20:46.150
  • because sometimes the most,
  • 00:20:46.150 --> 00:20:48.020
  • the ideas that are, you know,
  • 00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:49.270
  • are more undergirding a populist movement,
  • 00:20:49.270 --> 00:20:52.210
  • sometimes they went out.
  • 00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:53.290
  • You know, because if you have a populace
  • 00:20:53.290 --> 00:20:56.050
  • that's, you know, not politically literate,
  • 00:20:56.050 --> 00:20:58.170
  • you know, we don't read a lot of a lot of things that,
  • 00:20:58.170 --> 00:21:01.050
  • you know, really, we would take like little sound bites
  • 00:21:01.050 --> 00:21:03.290
  • of this person said this, this person says that,
  • 00:21:03.290 --> 00:21:06.050
  • but no one's really, you know,
  • 00:21:06.050 --> 00:21:07.080
  • blowing the dust off those books
  • 00:21:07.080 --> 00:21:08.260
  • to see how these problems actually started.
  • 00:21:08.260 --> 00:21:11.040
  • Sometimes the best ideas don't seem to win,
  • 00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:13.100
  • to be honest with you. - Yeah.
  • 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:14.170
  • - So I think there's a difficulty in that.
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  • But I don't wanna get into the territory
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  • of censoring people, because then if you censor,
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  • you know, certain groups, then you can't have Angela Davis,
  • 00:21:21.110 --> 00:21:24.080
  • you know, come speak, then you can't have
  • 00:21:24.080 --> 00:21:27.020
  • you know, whoever else it is that has controversial views,
  • 00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:30.200
  • then they get censored too.
  • 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.030
  • And I wanna hear what Angela Davis and bell hooks
  • 00:21:32.030 --> 00:21:34.050
  • and whoever else has what they had to say as well.
  • 00:21:34.050 --> 00:21:36.130
  • - You think people are responsible enough,
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  • when they open themselves up to hear people share,
  • 00:21:38.260 --> 00:21:41.240
  • that they'll adapt the idea that's the better idea,
  • 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.090
  • you think the better ideas will win in our marketplace?
  • 00:21:44.090 --> 00:21:47.020
  • - Hmm, that's a good point.
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  • I think there's a certain component that ties into what if,
  • 00:21:49.190 --> 00:21:52.260
  • you know, who which ideas get propagated the most, right?
  • 00:21:52.260 --> 00:21:56.010
  • So the propaganda machine on all sides
  • 00:21:56.010 --> 00:21:58.220
  • of the political spectrum is massive in the United States.
  • 00:21:58.220 --> 00:22:01.170
  • So, if one of the best ideas is a minority idea,
  • 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:04.150
  • and it's not getting, you know,
  • 00:22:04.150 --> 00:22:06.120
  • it's not getting blasted over everywhere, it might,
  • 00:22:06.120 --> 00:22:08.130
  • most people might not even get exposed to the idea.
  • 00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:10.290
  • So there's a component to it, also of like, you know,
  • 00:22:10.290 --> 00:22:13.220
  • which ideas you know, come to the forefront
  • 00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:16.070
  • of the discussion, because hopefully the best idea will win,
  • 00:22:16.070 --> 00:22:18.270
  • but sometimes you don't see that as the case,
  • 00:22:18.270 --> 00:22:20.280
  • 'cause they don't have the equal platform.
  • 00:22:20.280 --> 00:22:23.030
  • - Caylin you are part of Snoop Dogg's football program.
  • 00:22:23.030 --> 00:22:27.110
  • - [Caylin] Yes, sir.
  • 00:22:27.110 --> 00:22:28.100
  • - [Tom] Tell me about that.
  • 00:22:28.100 --> 00:22:29.250
  • - Absolutely, Snoop Dogg, being a true man of his community,
  • 00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:33.060
  • he came back to the area.
  • 00:22:33.060 --> 00:22:34.270
  • He's from Long Beach, originally,
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  • he started the youth football program,
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  • you know, to give kids an opportunity,
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  • you know, a positive outlet.
  • 00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:41.220
  • You know, like I say, in those areas,
  • 00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:43.140
  • you don't see Kumon Mathematics Centers.
  • 00:22:43.140 --> 00:22:46.170
  • I've never seen a Montessori School for young black boys.
  • 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:49.100
  • So in these under-resourced and underfunded areas,
  • 00:22:49.100 --> 00:22:52.090
  • sports actually play a pivotal role,
  • 00:22:52.090 --> 00:22:54.100
  • a greater role than probably perhaps they should.
  • 00:22:54.100 --> 00:22:56.220
  • So I was blessed enough to be able to partake
  • 00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:59.180
  • in that athletics thing.
  • 00:22:59.180 --> 00:23:02.120
  • - And how has athletics played into your life pathway?
  • 00:23:02.120 --> 00:23:06.030
  • - Yeah, sure so, you know, it's taught me
  • 00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:08.020
  • a healthy lifestyle, it's taught me discipline,
  • 00:23:08.020 --> 00:23:10.160
  • taught the exercise, taught me grit, tenacity.
  • 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:14.100
  • Many different things that you know, you can earn,
  • 00:23:14.100 --> 00:23:17.050
  • you can, you know, pick up through athletics
  • 00:23:17.050 --> 00:23:19.050
  • that are translatable to other fields.
  • 00:23:19.050 --> 00:23:20.280
  • You know, that's why a lot of times,
  • 00:23:20.280 --> 00:23:22.100
  • employers are very excited to see
  • 00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:24.070
  • that someone was a collegiate athlete
  • 00:23:24.070 --> 00:23:26.050
  • on a application or something like that,
  • 00:23:26.050 --> 00:23:27.290
  • because they know that person will show up on time
  • 00:23:27.290 --> 00:23:29.160
  • 'cause they always had to.
  • 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.020
  • - Have you ever met Snoop Dogg?
  • 00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:32.140
  • - I have, I have.
  • 00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:33.210
  • - Have you got to say thanks, man?
  • 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:34.250
  • - I did, I said, thanks, man.
  • 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:36.010
  • We took a picture.
  • 00:23:36.010 --> 00:23:37.070
  • I told him my story and how he impacted me.
  • 00:23:37.070 --> 00:23:38.260
  • This was like a year ago, so, yes, I have, yap.
  • 00:23:38.260 --> 00:23:42.020
  • - That's awesome.
  • 00:23:42.020 --> 00:23:43.000
  • So tell me how the book's doing.
  • 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:44.140
  • I know it's out there.
  • 00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:45.190
  • It's on shelves everywhere right now.
  • 00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:48.000
  • That's gotta, when you walk into a store, and you see,
  • 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.170
  • wait a minute, I wrote that book.
  • 00:23:50.170 --> 00:23:52.110
  • Tell me how that feels.
  • 00:23:52.110 --> 00:23:53.260
  • - That's amazing, man.
  • 00:23:53.260 --> 00:23:55.030
  • I went in into a Barnes and Nobles,
  • 00:23:55.030 --> 00:23:57.100
  • and I was just looking around.
  • 00:23:57.100 --> 00:23:58.260
  • I was like, will they have my book? And of course they did.
  • 00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:00.260
  • I just didn't, I didn't know how everything works.
  • 00:24:00.260 --> 00:24:02.200
  • - [Tom] Thompson Nelson's doing their job.
  • 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:04.010
  • - Oh, yeah, oh, they're great, great publisher,
  • 00:24:04.010 --> 00:24:05.210
  • great publisher, by the way.
  • 00:24:05.210 --> 00:24:06.280
  • But yeah, I he walked in, I saw my books,
  • 00:24:06.280 --> 00:24:08.190
  • I saw like five copies sitting on the shelf,
  • 00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:11.010
  • and I was just like, wow,
  • 00:24:11.010 --> 00:24:12.250
  • I was overwhelmed with emotion, I don't know.
  • 00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:14.270
  • I just, so early in my journey so young,
  • 00:24:14.270 --> 00:24:17.160
  • I don't think I ever expected to have
  • 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.100
  • these types of successes so early on,
  • 00:24:19.100 --> 00:24:21.100
  • so I just felt incredibly blessed.
  • 00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:23.190
  • - That's awesome.
  • 00:24:23.190 --> 00:24:24.230
  • So usually when somebody writes a book,
  • 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:27.160
  • now, I've got a couple of good friends
  • 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.120
  • Thomas Nelson, a couple of writers there Max Lucado,
  • 00:24:30.120 --> 00:24:32.260
  • he's a guy whose been a dear friend of the network
  • 00:24:32.260 --> 00:24:35.160
  • and I think we've done five or six maybe seven or eight
  • 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.290
  • television series with Max Lucado.
  • 00:24:38.290 --> 00:24:41.020
  • - He's a great man. - We loved to do that.
  • 00:24:41.020 --> 00:24:43.170
  • But usually when I find an author,
  • 00:24:43.170 --> 00:24:45.200
  • there's usually another book coming.
  • 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.290
  • What's coming up?
  • 00:24:47.290 --> 00:24:49.170
  • What's in you?
  • 00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:50.240
  • - I might have to be more, how do you say?
  • 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:53.260
  • Clandestine about this.
  • 00:24:53.260 --> 00:24:55.020
  • I have to be a little bit more low key.
  • 00:24:55.020 --> 00:24:57.200
  • The idea is still pretty nebulous in my mind at this point,
  • 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:00.130
  • so I'm trying to be low key about it.
  • 00:25:00.130 --> 00:25:01.270
  • - If your publishers start throwing things at me,
  • 00:25:01.270 --> 00:25:03.020
  • just at ease Thomas Nelson.
  • 00:25:03.020 --> 00:25:04.230
  • But the next time I see your name on a book
  • 00:25:05.290 --> 00:25:08.050
  • it's probably gonna have a doctor in front of it, ain't it?
  • 00:25:08.050 --> 00:25:11.130
  • - Yes, sir. - You're gonna do this,
  • 00:25:11.130 --> 00:25:12.170
  • aren't you? - Perhaps, yes, sir.
  • 00:25:12.170 --> 00:25:14.040
  • Yes, sir, I mean, maybe who knows
  • 00:25:14.040 --> 00:25:15.190
  • if we crank out a book in between then, but yes, sir.
  • 00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:18.070
  • - [Tom] Aha, right--
  • 00:25:18.070 --> 00:25:19.190
  • - But yes certainly though,
  • 00:25:19.190 --> 00:25:20.260
  • that that is certainly my goal, I wanna write,
  • 00:25:20.260 --> 00:25:22.270
  • you know, just like I wanna write memoirs
  • 00:25:22.270 --> 00:25:24.190
  • and things they give concepts and backgrounds
  • 00:25:24.190 --> 00:25:26.210
  • to the individual experience
  • 00:25:26.210 --> 00:25:28.090
  • I also wants to write books with footnotes in it
  • 00:25:28.090 --> 00:25:30.160
  • and you know, complicated academic language.
  • 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.240
  • - Hardest thing you wrote in here is what?
  • 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.000
  • - Hmm, I think writing about my mom's sexual assault.
  • 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.060
  • My mom, after, you know, by the grace of God she was,
  • 00:25:40.060 --> 00:25:43.280
  • the open heart surgery was successful
  • 00:25:43.280 --> 00:25:46.010
  • removing a tumor from one of the chambers--
  • 00:25:47.070 --> 00:25:48.210
  • - Which lead you deeper into your faith.
  • 00:25:48.210 --> 00:25:50.170
  • - Precisely. - It made your faith
  • 00:25:50.170 --> 00:25:51.170
  • real to you. - Uh-huh.
  • 00:25:51.170 --> 00:25:52.250
  • But as my mom recovered from open heart surgery
  • 00:25:52.250 --> 00:25:55.170
  • in the hospital bed, one of the workers came
  • 00:25:55.170 --> 00:25:57.230
  • and he turned up the morphine
  • 00:25:57.230 --> 00:25:59.040
  • and he own sexually assaulted my mom.
  • 00:25:59.040 --> 00:26:01.100
  • So for me, that's one of the hardest,
  • 00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:03.200
  • you know, parts of the book to write about,
  • 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.160
  • to think about, to read over, to hear in the audio book.
  • 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:09.010
  • It's so tough to deal with, you know, especially--
  • 00:26:09.010 --> 00:26:11.130
  • - [Tom] Did you read the audio book yourself?
  • 00:26:11.130 --> 00:26:13.130
  • - Oh, yes, I did, yes, I narrated the audio book.
  • 00:26:13.130 --> 00:26:15.280
  • It's just, it's super tough,
  • 00:26:15.280 --> 00:26:17.130
  • every single time it bothers me to the core,
  • 00:26:17.130 --> 00:26:19.250
  • because there are a lot of times where,
  • 00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:22.200
  • you know, these discussions of sexual assault,
  • 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.240
  • you know, they kinda get swept under the rug,
  • 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.190
  • and there's a lot of women that deal with these things,
  • 00:26:26.190 --> 00:26:28.210
  • and I know how touching that could be for somebody
  • 00:26:28.210 --> 00:26:31.200
  • or how, you know, how that can affect someone.
  • 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.270
  • - Caylin, I've got about 35, 40 seconds left.
  • 00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:37.140
  • I want you just to turn to that camera,
  • 00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:39.110
  • and I want to encourage somebody just like you
  • 00:26:39.110 --> 00:26:42.070
  • and you tell them to keep going.
  • 00:26:42.070 --> 00:26:44.040
  • - Absolutely, I wanna encourage someone just like me,
  • 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:47.130
  • someone that is much different than me,
  • 00:26:47.130 --> 00:26:49.080
  • and I wanna tell you that,
  • 00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:50.260
  • you know, it's incredibly important to hold on to hope
  • 00:26:50.260 --> 00:26:53.160
  • when it seems like all else is lost,
  • 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.210
  • and it seems like there's no opportunity
  • 00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:57.110
  • or there's no way up.
  • 00:26:57.110 --> 00:26:58.270
  • I say look up, I say continue to hold on to a strong faith.
  • 00:26:58.270 --> 00:27:02.070
  • And you have to believe no matter what,
  • 00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:04.210
  • that there is a better tomorrow.
  • 00:27:04.210 --> 00:27:06.250
  • - Amen, Caylin Moore, A Dream Too Big,
  • 00:27:06.250 --> 00:27:08.240
  • go out and get that book.
  • 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:10.010
  • It's available at bookstores everywhere.
  • 00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:11.220
  • It's on Amazon, you can find it,
  • 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:13.170
  • and you're gonna hear a lot more from this guy.
  • 00:27:13.170 --> 00:27:15.270
  • I'm gonna watch his journey very carefully myself.
  • 00:27:15.270 --> 00:27:18.100
  • Caylin, it was a pleasure.
  • 00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:19.150
  • - Wow, thank you, sir. - God bless you.
  • 00:27:19.150 --> 00:27:21.060
  • - God bless you as well, thank you.
  • 00:27:21.060 --> 00:27:23.020
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