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March 14, 2017
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Adventures with God

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  • - Darren Wilson: For ten years,
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  • I've traveled the world in an
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  • attempt to film God touching
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  • people's lives, and I've
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  • captured some of the most
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  • incredible moments of faith and
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  • miracles ever caught on film,
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  • but I've discovered that faith
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  • is as much about questions as it
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  • is answers, as much mystery as
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  • it is certainty, so I want to
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  • take you on a new adventure.
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  • Together, we'll wrestle with big
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  • questions about God, but we'll
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  • also se faith in its purest
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  • form.
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  • It's time to face our questions.
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  • It's time to see proof that God
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  • exists.
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  • It's time for adventures
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  • - Darren Wilson: I think it's
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  • one of the first questions I
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  • ever asked myself after I became
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  • a Christian.
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  • Who chose who in this
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  • relationship?
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  • Did I choose God?
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  • Or did he choose me and it was
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  • all just inevitable?
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  • No matter where you fall in this
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  • question, there is no denying
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  • that choice plays some role in a
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  • person's salvation; after all,
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  • you can't have true love without
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  • the possibility of rejection, so
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  • our choice for a relationship
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  • with God certainly comes into
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  • play at some point.
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  • I've seen many different
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  • situations while filming around
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  • the world that show people
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  • caught in the moment of having
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  • Sometimes they choose God, and
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  • sometimes they don't.
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  • But it brings up an interesting
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  • question that I often ponder
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  • after these moments.
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  • When all is said and done, what
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  • role does our own choice play in
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  • - Darren Wilson: Okay.
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  • Well, we're in the Plaza, is it
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  • Del?
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  • Yeah?
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  • Plaza Del Toros, the main
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  • bullfighting ring in Madrid.
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  • It's like a gladiator fight.
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  • It's just you know the ending.
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  • Some people find it fun; some
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  • people don't.
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  • - Male: I'm not exited about
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  • seeing the bloodletting of the
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  • bull.
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  • - Darren Wilson: Yeah.
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  • You're probably hoping for a
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  • mistake on the matador's part?
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  • - Male: I'd like to see a
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  • matador fly about 25 feet in the
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  • air, break a couple ribs.
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  • I know Nuno is not really
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  • excited about the whole fight.
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  • Excited about the bullfight, not
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  • about the bull dying.
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  • - Nuno: Yeah.
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  • - Male: He doesn't like to be
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  • - Darren Wilson: I went to
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  • Madrid, and I encountered a
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  • ministry called Betel.
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  • Their focus is heroin addicts,
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  • and nearly everyone who works
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  • there is a former addict
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  • themself.
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  • I heard many testimonies from
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  • men who have been changed, made
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  • whole through the power of God's
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  • love and forgiveness.
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  • But then, I went with Jose and
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  • Manolo here to a place that
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  • was perhaps the worst place
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  • I'd ever been.
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  • The city dump in Madrid has been
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  • sectioned off as a place where
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  • heroin addicts can come to deal
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  • and do drugs without fear.
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  • I saw junkies shooting up in
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  • broad daylight and dirty needles
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  • laid everywhere.
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  • People would come with their
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  • children in the backseat of
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  • their cars, and fights were
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  • breaking out.
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  • This was hell on earth.
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  • Jose and Manolo come here
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  • every day, sometimes twice a
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  • day, to hand out food and milk
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  • to all who need it.
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  • Their goal is to find someone
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  • willing to leave with them so
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  • that God's love can begin its
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  • healing process.
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  • Ironically, a church stands
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  • right in the middle of all this.
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  • At one point, a man approached
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  • us who had just overdosed.
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  • He was white as a ghost and
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  • could barely walk.
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  • He was taken to a government
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  • medical bus that comes every day
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  • and was given treatment.
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  • Thirty minutes later, he was
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  • back looking for dirty needles
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  • that may still contain a little
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  • heroin so he could shoot up once
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  • again,
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  • Jose and Manolo struck
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  • - male: I fell in love with
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  • these people, and then I felt in
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  • my heart this is where I could
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  • be Jesus.
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  • I have a, really when I was the
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  • first time there, I feel that
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  • whatever you did to one of these
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  • - Jaime: I think the people
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  • outside are looking for a, a
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  • savior, but the savior they
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  • want, not Jesus, is the Savior
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  • because they don't want to
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  • change nothing in their own
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  • lives, so, they want a savior
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  • where they could do everything
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  • they want, and that's not
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  • [music]
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  • - Darren Wilson: He made
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  • him stop.
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  • He didn't want to go any further
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  • with this because it meant
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  • change, but I couldn't help but
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  • notice the obvious clash of
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  • kingdoms at play and God's
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  • hovering presence just behind
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  • him, waiting for him to
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  • turn around.
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  • The choice was and always has
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  • - Bill Johnson: Religious
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  • spirit wants punishment, some
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  • measure of punishment.
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  • It was the religious spirit that
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  • had the priests, the Pharisees,
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  • with stones in their hand,
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  • wanting to kill.
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  • Jesus is right there with a
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  • woman caught in adultery.
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  • His interest wasn't my image.
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  • What are people going to think?
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  • That wasn't his image.
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  • The interest was here's a person
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  • that's redeemable.
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  • And he wasn't going to get her
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  • - Darren Wilson: This one, the
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  • big question we're asking here
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  • is what role does choice make in
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  • our salvation?
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  • And, because I know for me
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  • personally, like, it always felt
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  • like I was the one who was
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  • making the decision, but then I
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  • would be told later, "No, God
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  • actually chose you."
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  • And just to me, it was very
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  • confusing, so I want to, like,
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  • try to pull a little bit of that
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  • confusion out and just give a
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  • little bit of context of what
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  • exactly we're talking about
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  • here, so you and I were talking
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  • right before we started.
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  • So, you come from a kind of a
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  • Calvinistic background.
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  • - Chad Norris: Not kind of.
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  • No kind of.
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  • - Darren Wilson: Okay.
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  • So, you come from a Calvinistic
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  • background that says what?
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  • What do they, what's that belief
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  • system?
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  • - Chad: I went to, I got my
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  • masters at Beeson Divinity
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  • School and loved it.
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  • Beeson is a very respected
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  • reform seminary, which is going
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  • to lean heavily into Calvinism.
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  • - Darren Wilson: Okay.
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  • What do they believe?
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  • Like, for people don't know what
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  • Calvinism, like, the major
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  • tenants?
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  • - Chad: God is doing the
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  • choosing, okay?
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  • Not just for salvation.
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  • For everything.
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  • - Darren Wilson: Okay.
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  • - Darren Davis: With the joke,
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  • you know, the guy, I guess falls
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  • and trips and hurts himself real
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  • bad.
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  • Then he gets up and goes, "Man,
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  • I'm glad I got that out of the
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  • way," you know?
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  • That was like the Calvinistic
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  • joke, you know?
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  • Poof, you know?
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  • "Got that one out of the way.
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  • We're done with that one now,"
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  • you know?
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  • - Chad: The most fun
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  • conversation I've ever had in
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  • this context was I was preaching
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  • one time, and this guy just got
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  • really offended because I was
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  • preaching on healing and was
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  • talking about our role in this.
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  • The Holy Spirit told me to
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  • slap him.
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  • True story.
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  • So, I reached across the table
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  • and slapped him as hard as I
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  • could.
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  • This is at a cafeteria with tons
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  • of teenagers in there.
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  • He was so offended, and he said,
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  • "Why did you do that?"
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  • And I said, "I didn't."
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  • And that actually, it's a true
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  • story.
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  • It actually led to a friendship
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  • and long conversations on these
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  • questions.
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  • - Darren Wilson: So, if that's
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  • one end, what's the other end?
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  • What's the far side of the other
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  • end?
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  • - Robby Dawkins: Yeah.
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  • I would think open theism would
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  • be probably the more further
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  • even than Arminianism, I would
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  • think, you know, from that
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  • perspective, but.
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  • So, open theism is just, it's
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  • everything's open.
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  • The future's not set.
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  • It's all open.
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  • We're deciding.
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  • - Gary Wilson: You know, I kind
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  • of feel like a lightweight in
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  • this thing, but I'm looking at
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  • this from a little bit different
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  • perspective because I don't know
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  • which of those two things, in
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  • fact, I don't think either of
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  • them is completely correct.
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  • I believe that there's a great
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  • amount of ambiguity in the
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  • Scriptures, and I believe God
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  • intended it to be that way
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  • because, if we think we've got
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  • it all down, then we're bigger
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  • than he is.
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  • You know how the Scriptures
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  • talked about God hardened
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  • Pharaoh's heart.
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  • And I've looked at that passage,
  • 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:50.260
  • and I said to myself, "Man,
  • 00:10:50.260 --> 00:10:51.290
  • that's weird, man."
  • 00:10:51.290 --> 00:10:52.270
  • I mean, did this guy have a
  • 00:10:52.270 --> 00:10:54.280
  • chance?
  • 00:10:54.280 --> 00:10:55.190
  • Was he just made to have his
  • 00:10:55.190 --> 00:10:57.090
  • heart hardened and now, where is
  • 00:10:57.090 --> 00:10:58.170
  • his place in eternity?
  • 00:10:58.170 --> 00:11:01.040
  • And I'm thinking to myself, "Is
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  • God unjust?"
  • 00:11:02.140 --> 00:11:03.100
  • That's really kind of weird, you
  • 00:11:03.100 --> 00:11:04.050
  • know?
  • 00:11:04.050 --> 00:11:04.240
  • To use some guy like that is a
  • 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:05.210
  • little manipulative in my mind,
  • 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:07.030
  • but then I began to think about
  • 00:11:07.030 --> 00:11:08.120
  • this born again.
  • 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:09.090
  • I think in a metaphoric mind.
  • 00:11:09.090 --> 00:11:10.130
  • And one day, I was working with
  • 00:11:10.130 --> 00:11:11.260
  • clay, and I had some wax next to
  • 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:13.110
  • me, and I began to see these two
  • 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:14.200
  • things, and I began to see this
  • 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.060
  • metaphor in my mind.
  • 00:11:16.060 --> 00:11:17.130
  • And you know, it's interesting.
  • 00:11:17.130 --> 00:11:18.210
  • If you take--if I take clay,
  • 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:21.140
  • and I put it under a lot
  • 00:11:21.140 --> 00:11:22.090
  • of heat, It gets very,
  • 00:11:22.090 --> 00:11:24.050
  • very hard, you know,
  • 00:11:24.050 --> 00:11:25.130
  • under that heat.
  • 00:11:25.130 --> 00:11:26.270
  • If I take wax, and I put it
  • 00:11:26.270 --> 00:11:28.180
  • under a lot of heat, it will
  • 00:11:28.180 --> 00:11:30.070
  • melt and be soft.
  • 00:11:30.070 --> 00:11:31.200
  • Let's say a woman loses a child
  • 00:11:31.260 --> 00:11:34.260
  • or a man or woman loses a child.
  • 00:11:34.260 --> 00:11:36.150
  • I have seen some people, in
  • 00:11:36.150 --> 00:11:37.280
  • losing that child, get so hard
  • 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:39.270
  • and get so bitter toward God,
  • 00:11:39.270 --> 00:11:41.280
  • blaming God for these things.
  • 00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:43.120
  • And, on the other hand, I see
  • 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.190
  • someone else who has lost a
  • 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:46.040
  • child, and they push into God
  • 00:11:46.040 --> 00:11:48.080
  • because of this thing, you know?
  • 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:49.170
  • So, when they do this thing,
  • 00:11:49.170 --> 00:11:51.280
  • their heart gets soft.
  • 00:11:51.280 --> 00:11:53.090
  • Their heart gets tender.
  • 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:54.160
  • One person that said, "We become
  • 00:11:54.160 --> 00:11:56.030
  • the sum total of all our
  • 00:11:56.030 --> 00:11:56.290
  • choices."
  • 00:11:56.290 --> 00:11:58.020
  • In the end, we become exactly
  • 00:11:58.020 --> 00:11:59.140
  • what we want to be.
  • 00:11:59.140 --> 00:12:00.200
  • And so, some people are going to
  • 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:01.220
  • choose to be bitter at
  • 00:12:01.220 --> 00:12:03.270
  • something, and they get hard
  • 00:12:03.270 --> 00:12:04.290
  • like clay, and the same heat is
  • 00:12:04.290 --> 00:12:07.020
  • put on somebody else,
  • 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:07.230
  • - Darren Wilson: Meet Ravi.
  • 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:12.150
  • In my travels around the world,
  • 00:12:12.150 --> 00:12:14.130
  • I get to see many wonderful
  • 00:12:14.130 --> 00:12:15.290
  • things and meet many amazing
  • 00:12:15.290 --> 00:12:17.130
  • people, but few come close to
  • 00:12:17.130 --> 00:12:19.240
  • the sheer unbelievability of my
  • 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:21.260
  • friend, Ravi.
  • 00:12:21.260 --> 00:12:23.220
  • Anyone doubting that God still
  • 00:12:23.220 --> 00:12:26.000
  • speaks to his children today and
  • 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.260
  • that he wants to be intimately
  • 00:12:27.260 --> 00:12:29.020
  • involved in our lives need only
  • 00:12:29.020 --> 00:12:30.230
  • spend a little time with this
  • 00:12:30.230 --> 00:12:32.020
  • loving, humble man.
  • 00:12:32.020 --> 00:12:34.220
  • Ravi has an incredibly unique
  • 00:12:34.220 --> 00:12:37.020
  • gift from God, whom he calls
  • 00:12:37.020 --> 00:12:39.090
  • Daddy.
  • 00:12:39.090 --> 00:12:41.140
  • Ravi, you see, hears the audible
  • 00:12:41.140 --> 00:12:43.280
  • voice of God every day.
  • 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:46.230
  • When Ravi was 17 years old, his
  • 00:12:46.230 --> 00:12:49.170
  • life was a mess, and he was
  • 00:12:49.170 --> 00:12:50.250
  • about to kill himself when God
  • 00:12:50.250 --> 00:12:52.100
  • spoke to him, audibly, and
  • 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:54.210
  • revealed himself to Ravi.
  • 00:12:54.210 --> 00:12:57.120
  • So, ever since then, for 20
  • 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.180
  • years, God wakes Ravi up
  • 00:12:59.180 --> 00:13:02.000
  • at 4 a.m. and gives him his
  • 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:03.160
  • marching orders for the day.
  • 00:13:03.160 --> 00:13:06.080
  • I tried to film with him for my
  • 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:07.170
  • second movie, "Furious Love,"
  • 00:13:07.170 --> 00:13:10.040
  • but, when Ravi asked him if he
  • 00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:11.200
  • could, God said, "Not yet," so,
  • 00:13:12.170 --> 00:13:15.170
  • when God woke him up one day and
  • 00:13:15.170 --> 00:13:17.000
  • told him it was "time to film
  • 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.080
  • with Darren," let's just say it
  • 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.080
  • was a banner day for me and my
  • 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.240
  • team.
  • 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.180
  • The idea was simple yet slightly
  • 00:13:24.180 --> 00:13:26.160
  • terrifying.
  • 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:28.060
  • We fly out to India to meet with
  • 00:13:28.060 --> 00:13:29.220
  • Ravi.
  • 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:30.270
  • He'll ask God what we should do,
  • 00:13:30.270 --> 00:13:32.140
  • and then we'll do whatever God
  • 00:13:32.140 --> 00:13:34.040
  • says.
  • 00:13:34.040 --> 00:13:35.200
  • Seeing as God has been known to
  • 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.120
  • give Ravi GPS, turn by turn
  • 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.110
  • directions to remote villages,
  • 00:13:39.110 --> 00:13:41.110
  • my team and I were more than a
  • 00:13:41.110 --> 00:13:42.190
  • little exited about what we were
  • 00:13:42.190 --> 00:13:44.020
  • about to experience, but
  • 00:13:44.020 --> 00:13:46.200
  • honestly, we had no idea what we
  • 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.280
  • are getting ourselves into.
  • 00:13:48.280 --> 00:13:51.060
  • As we were walking toward where
  • 00:13:51.060 --> 00:13:53.140
  • God told him a village was, Ravi
  • 00:13:53.140 --> 00:13:55.210
  • told me the Lord had shown him a
  • 00:13:55.210 --> 00:13:57.020
  • small bridge with a water pump
  • 00:13:57.020 --> 00:13:58.230
  • nearby, and when we saw that, we
  • 00:13:58.230 --> 00:14:01.150
  • were close.
  • 00:14:01.150 --> 00:14:03.090
  • We turned a corner,
  • 00:14:03.090 --> 00:14:04.100
  • - Ravi: I wish, you know, that
  • 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:11.130
  • God would have told me more
  • 00:14:12.140 --> 00:14:15.140
  • - Darren Wilson: Ravi went
  • 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.020
  • right into the center of the
  • 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:22.010
  • village and began preaching.
  • 00:14:22.010 --> 00:14:24.110
  • While this was going on, a bunch
  • 00:14:24.110 --> 00:14:25.260
  • of men showed up from the nearby
  • 00:14:25.260 --> 00:14:27.080
  • Hindu temple.
  • 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.060
  • We couldn't help but notice the
  • 00:14:29.060 --> 00:14:30.080
  • We were in the middle of
  • 00:14:43.010 --> 00:14:43.240
  • nowhere, preaching of forbidden
  • 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.040
  • Jesus to machete wielding
  • 00:14:45.040 --> 00:14:46.200
  • Hindus, and they didn't seem too
  • 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.130
  • happy with us.
  • 00:14:48.130 --> 00:14:50.080
  • I didn't know whether to keep
  • 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:51.010
  • Of all the men, one in
  • 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.010
  • particular, that man on the left
  • 00:15:07.010 --> 00:15:09.070
  • there, seemed quite interested
  • 00:15:09.070 --> 00:15:11.070
  • in what Ravi had to say.
  • 00:15:11.070 --> 00:15:13.240
  • He listened intently as Ravi
  • 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:14.260
  • talked about his Daddy, the God
  • 00:15:14.260 --> 00:15:16.200
  • of the Bible.
  • 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.180
  • When Ravi asked if anyone wanted
  • 00:15:18.180 --> 00:15:20.030
  • to accept this God as their own,
  • 00:15:20.030 --> 00:15:22.070
  • this man revealed this heart
  • 00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:23.230
  • - Darren Wilson: Soon after,
  • 00:15:44.010 --> 00:15:45.050
  • Ravi prayed for the man, and it
  • 00:15:45.050 --> 00:15:47.070
  • was only after this that we
  • 00:15:47.070 --> 00:15:48.150
  • found out who this guy actually
  • 00:15:48.150 --> 00:15:50.010
  • was.
  • 00:15:50.010 --> 00:15:52.140
  • Every five years, there's a
  • 00:15:52.140 --> 00:15:54.130
  • major festival held at the local
  • 00:15:54.130 --> 00:15:55.240
  • temple, the same temple that our
  • 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.010
  • machete friends had just come
  • 00:15:58.010 --> 00:15:59.090
  • from.
  • 00:15:59.090 --> 00:16:00.230
  • This man in this village by this
  • 00:16:01.260 --> 00:16:04.260
  • water pump was the man in charge
  • 00:16:04.260 --> 00:16:07.040
  • of that festival.
  • 00:16:07.040 --> 00:16:09.080
  • Over 10.000 people show up
  • 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.080
  • at this festival, and it just so
  • 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:12.260
  • happened that it was to take
  • 00:16:12.260 --> 00:16:14.040
  • place in 2 months' time.
  • 00:16:14.040 --> 00:16:16.070
  • But of course, now, the man in
  • 00:16:16.070 --> 00:16:18.060
  • charge had just encountered the
  • 00:16:18.060 --> 00:16:19.200
  • Father, and well, that changes a
  • 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.130
  • - Ravi: He's saying, "There's a
  • 00:16:41.070 --> 00:16:41.260
  • peace in right here."
  • 00:16:41.260 --> 00:16:44.140
  • - Darren Wilson: Ravi just
  • 00:16:44.140 --> 00:16:45.180
  • brought the light of the Father
  • 00:16:45.180 --> 00:16:46.240
  • to this man, and now, that light
  • 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.270
  • will come upon thousands more.
  • 00:16:48.270 --> 00:16:51.090
  • This was a simple taste of
  • 00:16:51.090 --> 00:16:52.290
  • mind-boggling events yet to
  • 00:16:52.290 --> 00:16:54.140
  • come.
  • 00:16:54.140 --> 00:16:56.190
  • These kinds of events are
  • 00:16:56.190 --> 00:16:57.140
  • commonplace for Ravi because he
  • 00:16:57.140 --> 00:16:59.050
  • - Reinhard Bonnke: When I stand
  • 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:03.260
  • up to preach the Gospel, I often
  • 00:17:03.260 --> 00:17:06.260
  • preach to people who have no
  • 00:17:06.260 --> 00:17:08.270
  • idea who God is because they
  • 00:17:08.270 --> 00:17:11.140
  • worship idols,
  • 00:17:11.140 --> 00:17:13.290
  • very terrible idols.
  • 00:17:16.080 --> 00:17:19.080
  • They spread the table
  • 00:17:20.180 --> 00:17:23.180
  • for their gods.
  • 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.000
  • And I tell them that the
  • 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.290
  • Christian God doesn't gather
  • 00:17:31.120 --> 00:17:34.120
  • around.
  • 00:17:34.120 --> 00:17:36.070
  • He spreads the table for his
  • 00:17:36.070 --> 00:17:38.070
  • children.
  • 00:17:38.270 --> 00:17:41.270
  • And in the other religions,
  • 00:17:43.070 --> 00:17:46.070
  • people always seek God.
  • 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.160
  • In the Christian faith,
  • 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:54.100
  • - Chad: I read Ephesians 2:8,
  • 00:17:58.270 --> 00:18:00.060
  • and I've read it a hundred
  • 00:18:00.060 --> 00:18:01.030
  • times; but when I read Paul, and
  • 00:18:01.030 --> 00:18:03.130
  • he said, "It is by grace you are
  • 00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:05.020
  • saved through faith," for the
  • 00:18:05.020 --> 00:18:07.240
  • first time in my life, I felt
  • 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:09.140
  • like I stood in the middle of
  • 00:18:09.140 --> 00:18:10.260
  • these two ditches.
  • 00:18:10.260 --> 00:18:12.230
  • I've chosen to read the Bible
  • 00:18:12.230 --> 00:18:14.130
  • through paradox.
  • 00:18:14.130 --> 00:18:15.130
  • It's really helped me.
  • 00:18:15.130 --> 00:18:17.060
  • These two tensions, instead of
  • 00:18:17.060 --> 00:18:18.180
  • trying to find which one I'm
  • 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:19.180
  • most comfortable in, your
  • 00:18:19.180 --> 00:18:21.020
  • question was, "Does he choose
  • 00:18:21.020 --> 00:18:22.010
  • us, or do we choose him?"
  • 00:18:22.010 --> 00:18:24.010
  • And when I read Ephesians 2:8,
  • 00:18:24.010 --> 00:18:25.200
  • the answer to that question is
  • 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:26.140
  • yes.
  • 00:18:26.140 --> 00:18:28.170
  • - Robby: I remember one time,
  • 00:18:28.170 --> 00:18:29.220
  • we were, I was with a, you know,
  • 00:18:29.250 --> 00:18:32.250
  • a mom who, in our church, you
  • 00:18:32.250 --> 00:18:35.050
  • know, a lot of gang stuff, and,
  • 00:18:35.050 --> 00:18:37.270
  • you know, this, her son had been
  • 00:18:37.270 --> 00:18:40.110
  • killed, and, you know,
  • 00:18:40.110 --> 00:18:42.190
  • tragically tortured beforehand.
  • 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:44.240
  • And then the mom calls me,
  • 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.110
  • you know, to go with her to the
  • 00:18:47.110 --> 00:18:48.180
  • morgue and to, you know,
  • 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:50.120
  • identify the body.
  • 00:18:50.120 --> 00:18:52.080
  • And I remember, in that moment,
  • 00:18:52.080 --> 00:18:54.010
  • and then she started weeping,
  • 00:18:54.010 --> 00:18:55.260
  • and she said, "Why did God
  • 00:18:55.260 --> 00:18:57.140
  • choose to take him home?"
  • 00:18:57.140 --> 00:18:59.160
  • And I was like, and every time,
  • 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.200
  • we've all been, as ministers, in
  • 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.070
  • those settings where those
  • 00:19:03.070 --> 00:19:04.210
  • questions come, and you're like,
  • 00:19:04.210 --> 00:19:06.130
  • "That's not what happened here.
  • 00:19:06.130 --> 00:19:08.290
  • This is not what happened here.
  • 00:19:08.290 --> 00:19:10.290
  • This was a clear plot of the
  • 00:19:10.290 --> 00:19:12.080
  • enemy.
  • 00:19:12.080 --> 00:19:13.260
  • It's been really hard to stop
  • 00:19:13.260 --> 00:19:14.270
  • and to have to look at, you
  • 00:19:14.270 --> 00:19:16.020
  • know, again, these parents in
  • 00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:17.220
  • these times and go, "Hey, wait a
  • 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:19.060
  • minute.
  • 00:19:19.060 --> 00:19:20.180
  • That's not what's happening
  • 00:19:20.180 --> 00:19:21.100
  • here.
  • 00:19:21.100 --> 00:19:22.160
  • But I feel like it's important
  • 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.010
  • to sort of identify and to say,
  • 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:26.090
  • you know, "Choices were made
  • 00:19:26.090 --> 00:19:28.160
  • that lead to this point, and
  • 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:29.250
  • that come to this," and that's
  • 00:19:29.250 --> 00:19:32.000
  • not to be harsh.
  • 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:33.090
  • That's actually to be gracious
  • 00:19:33.090 --> 00:19:34.150
  • because that invitation.
  • 00:19:34.150 --> 00:19:35.280
  • Now, the, here's what I've
  • 00:19:35.280 --> 00:19:37.160
  • learned though.
  • 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:38.200
  • The beauty of it is God is
  • 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.050
  • redemptive.
  • 00:19:40.050 --> 00:19:42.010
  • And so, God's not making the
  • 00:19:42.010 --> 00:19:42.240
  • ugly things happen to
  • 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.290
  • bring himself glory.
  • 00:19:44.290 --> 00:19:46.210
  • God can take the ugliest thing
  • 00:19:46.220 --> 00:19:49.220
  • and turn it around and bring
  • 00:19:49.220 --> 00:19:51.280
  • himself glory.
  • 00:19:51.280 --> 00:19:53.080
  • - Chad: That's what Romans 8:28
  • 00:19:53.080 --> 00:19:53.290
  • thing.
  • 00:19:53.290 --> 00:19:55.070
  • - Darren Davis: You know, we
  • 00:19:55.070 --> 00:19:55.250
  • live in hurricane-ville down in
  • 00:19:55.250 --> 00:19:57.040
  • Miami, right, you know?
  • 00:19:57.040 --> 00:19:58.150
  • And what's interesting.
  • 00:19:58.150 --> 00:19:59.260
  • We had one come right over our
  • 00:19:59.260 --> 00:20:01.020
  • house when we first moved down
  • 00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:02.160
  • there, and what was amazing
  • 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:03.280
  • is there's this thing called
  • 00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:06.130
  • the eye, right?
  • 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:07.200
  • And, in the eye of the storm,
  • 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.290
  • there's perfect, total peace.
  • 00:20:08.290 --> 00:20:11.040
  • It was the most profound thing.
  • 00:20:11.040 --> 00:20:12.050
  • I walked out right in the middle
  • 00:20:12.050 --> 00:20:13.050
  • of it; and, in the midst of that
  • 00:20:13.050 --> 00:20:15.160
  • experience, God said, "This is
  • 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:17.230
  • what I'm doing on the earth with
  • 00:20:17.230 --> 00:20:19.070
  • my people.
  • 00:20:19.070 --> 00:20:20.040
  • In the midst of the whirlwind,
  • 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:22.020
  • in the midst of the storm, in
  • 00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:23.260
  • the midst of all the brokenness,
  • 00:20:23.260 --> 00:20:25.000
  • I'm raising up this Jerusalem,
  • 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.160
  • which literally means house of
  • 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.000
  • peace.
  • 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:29.180
  • - Gary: See, I mean, I've often
  • 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:30.130
  • wondered, "God, why did you even
  • 00:20:30.130 --> 00:20:32.000
  • let Lucifer challenge you in the
  • 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:33.280
  • beginning?
  • 00:20:33.280 --> 00:20:34.240
  • In the first place?"
  • 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:35.170
  • - Darren Wilson: Why even put
  • 00:20:35.170 --> 00:20:36.050
  • the tree in the garden that they
  • 00:20:36.050 --> 00:20:37.020
  • couldn't eat from?
  • 00:20:37.020 --> 00:20:37.250
  • Just remove it, you know, right?
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  • - Gary: Yeah.
  • 00:20:39.190 --> 00:20:40.120
  • You have all these questions.
  • 00:20:40.120 --> 00:20:41.090
  • Why did you do these kinds of
  • 00:20:41.090 --> 00:20:43.140
  • things?
  • 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:44.030
  • But you know.
  • 00:20:44.030 --> 00:20:44.250
  • How can we know
  • 00:20:44.250 --> 00:20:45.140
  • love unless we see its opposite
  • 00:20:45.140 --> 00:20:48.120
  • so that we can understand
  • 00:20:48.120 --> 00:20:49.150
  • - Banning Liebscher: In
  • 00:20:53.050 --> 00:20:54.030
  • America, there's a generation
  • 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.160
  • that is experiencing more
  • 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:59.270
  • options than any generation in
  • 00:20:59.270 --> 00:21:02.120
  • So, the tendency to materialism
  • 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:06.230
  • or distraction is so available.
  • 00:21:08.250 --> 00:21:11.250
  • I mean, the ability, the instant
  • 00:21:11.250 --> 00:21:13.270
  • access to entertainment and
  • 00:21:13.270 --> 00:21:16.040
  • social networks and internet and
  • 00:21:16.040 --> 00:21:18.290
  • travel, and, I mean, there's so
  • 00:21:18.290 --> 00:21:20.250
  • many options and choices in this
  • 00:21:20.250 --> 00:21:22.280
  • generation.
  • 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:24.020
  • that choices
  • 00:21:26.030 --> 00:21:28.130
  • are powerful in the midst of
  • 00:21:28.130 --> 00:21:29.240
  • options, not in the midst of no
  • 00:21:29.260 --> 00:21:32.260
  • options.
  • 00:21:32.260 --> 00:21:34.080
  • And I think we're going to see
  • 00:21:34.080 --> 00:21:35.140
  • the most powerful generation the
  • 00:21:35.140 --> 00:21:36.270
  • world's ever seen come out of
  • 00:21:36.270 --> 00:21:38.220
  • an environment that gives them
  • 00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:40.060
  • options, and a generation's
  • 00:21:40.060 --> 00:21:41.190
  • going to rise that their yes in
  • 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:44.190
  • their spirit will be so loud, it
  • 00:21:46.230 --> 00:21:49.230
  • - Banning: Love is not a better
  • 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:52.200
  • program or a slicker
  • 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:53.200
  • presentation, and it
  • 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:55.020
  • doesn't care about talking
  • 00:21:55.020 --> 00:21:56.040
  • anybody into anything.
  • 00:21:56.040 --> 00:21:58.140
  • It is given freely, and it is
  • 00:21:58.140 --> 00:21:59.260
  • only found in the heart of a
  • 00:21:59.260 --> 00:22:01.120
  • Father who desperately wants to
  • 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:03.090
  • embrace his children.
  • 00:22:03.090 --> 00:22:05.270
  • He showed me this unbridled
  • 00:22:05.270 --> 00:22:07.020
  • pursuit of his kids when I went
  • 00:22:07.020 --> 00:22:08.180
  • to a New Age festival in Mount
  • 00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:10.030
  • Shasta, California.
  • 00:22:10.030 --> 00:22:12.040
  • I brought a team with me who
  • 00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:13.200
  • simply wanted to pray for people
  • 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.080
  • and show them what God's heart
  • 00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:16.200
  • looked like.
  • 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.220
  • The last time I was in a
  • 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:19.240
  • situation like this, I went
  • 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:21.070
  • looking for a fight.
  • 00:22:21.070 --> 00:22:23.120
  • This time, the fight found me.
  • 00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:26.170
  • The team began praying for
  • 00:22:26.170 --> 00:22:28.030
  • people, and many were getting
  • 00:22:28.030 --> 00:22:29.140
  • touched by the Father's love for
  • 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:30.240
  • them.
  • 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:32.150
  • One woman approached Robby for
  • 00:22:32.150 --> 00:22:33.170
  • prayer and shortly after he
  • 00:22:33.170 --> 00:22:34.270
  • started, she began to manifest
  • 00:22:34.270 --> 00:22:36.200
  • like a snake.
  • 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:39.020
  • Robby commanded it to stop, and
  • 00:22:39.020 --> 00:22:40.240
  • he later explained
  • 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:41.120
  • why he does that.
  • 00:22:41.120 --> 00:22:43.280
  • - Robby: One of the reasons why
  • 00:22:43.280 --> 00:22:44.270
  • is for me is I don't like giving
  • 00:22:44.270 --> 00:22:47.010
  • a place, a stage for the enemy,
  • 00:22:47.010 --> 00:22:49.090
  • and I don't want to give this,
  • 00:22:49.090 --> 00:22:50.230
  • and then the other thing is that
  • 00:22:50.230 --> 00:22:52.150
  • it's an abuse to the person.
  • 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:55.050
  • That type of manifestation is
  • 00:22:55.050 --> 00:22:56.230
  • the enemy really trying to abuse
  • 00:22:56.230 --> 00:22:58.110
  • the individual, and that's my
  • 00:22:58.110 --> 00:22:59.170
  • take on it.
  • 00:22:59.170 --> 00:23:00.230
  • And when I see those kinds of
  • 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:02.190
  • things happening, it really
  • 00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:03.230
  • makes me angry because I see the
  • 00:23:03.230 --> 00:23:06.030
  • manipulation of the individual,
  • 00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:08.190
  • the abuse of the individual, and
  • 00:23:08.190 --> 00:23:10.190
  • the humiliating them, but also,
  • 00:23:10.190 --> 00:23:12.280
  • it's Satan trying to demonstrate
  • 00:23:12.280 --> 00:23:15.270
  • his power and trying to minister
  • 00:23:15.270 --> 00:23:18.200
  • fear to everyone around, and
  • 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.260
  • that's the reason why that
  • 00:23:20.260 --> 00:23:22.080
  • love is so powerful a tool
  • 00:23:22.080 --> 00:23:23.290
  • against the work of the enemy
  • 00:23:23.290 --> 00:23:25.130
  • because when fear is something
  • 00:23:25.130 --> 00:23:27.240
  • that he can control with,
  • 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:29.050
  • the best thing to combat
  • 00:23:29.050 --> 00:23:30.090
  • that is love because
  • 00:23:30.090 --> 00:23:32.260
  • immediately, that overcomes
  • 00:23:32.260 --> 00:23:35.030
  • fear, and the Scripture says
  • 00:23:35.030 --> 00:23:37.080
  • that God hasn't given us the
  • 00:23:37.080 --> 00:23:38.190
  • spirit of fear but of power and
  • 00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:41.000
  • of love and of a sound mind, and
  • 00:23:41.150 --> 00:23:44.150
  • I believe that those things, the
  • 00:23:44.150 --> 00:23:45.260
  • power comes, our power comes
  • 00:23:45.260 --> 00:23:48.100
  • from the love of Christ, and
  • 00:23:48.100 --> 00:23:50.160
  • even Paul makes a statement
  • 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.210
  • where he said, "The love of
  • 00:23:51.210 --> 00:23:52.120
  • Christ compels me to go places I
  • 00:23:52.120 --> 00:23:55.040
  • would never normally want to go
  • 00:23:55.040 --> 00:23:57.110
  • and do things I would never
  • 00:23:57.110 --> 00:23:58.220
  • naturally want to do."
  • 00:23:58.220 --> 00:24:00.140
  • But it's driven and propelled
  • 00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:03.140
  • by the love of Christ.
  • 00:24:03.140 --> 00:24:05.290
  • I began to just pray, "Father, I
  • 00:24:05.290 --> 00:24:07.110
  • pray that you would just love
  • 00:24:07.110 --> 00:24:08.270
  • her and just invade her
  • 00:24:08.270 --> 00:24:11.110
  • with your love.
  • 00:24:11.110 --> 00:24:12.100
  • Invade her with your peace,
  • 00:24:12.100 --> 00:24:14.260
  • with your joy,
  • 00:24:14.260 --> 00:24:16.230
  • and let her know that you're,
  • 00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:18.100
  • that this is really you
  • 00:24:18.100 --> 00:24:19.240
  • and that this is you inviting
  • 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:20.250
  • her to a relationship," and
  • 00:24:20.250 --> 00:24:22.140
  • about that time, this one woman
  • 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:24.220
  • came from across the room and
  • 00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:26.270
  • began to speak to her and say,
  • 00:24:26.270 --> 00:24:28.120
  • "Tell them to stop this.
  • 00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:30.130
  • Do you need me to help you?
  • 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:31.200
  • Do you need me to help
  • 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.010
  • center you?"
  • 00:24:33.010 --> 00:24:35.080
  • - Banning: She began trying to
  • 00:24:35.080 --> 00:24:36.110
  • counteract Robby's prayers.
  • 00:24:36.110 --> 00:24:38.070
  • Her attempts went nowhere
  • 00:24:38.070 --> 00:24:39.130
  • though, and she finally gave up
  • 00:24:39.130 --> 00:24:41.010
  • - Robby: And as she began
  • 00:24:45.210 --> 00:24:46.190
  • to do this, it was very clear
  • 00:24:46.190 --> 00:24:48.020
  • nothing was happening.
  • 00:24:48.020 --> 00:24:50.110
  • Nothing was coming back because
  • 00:24:50.110 --> 00:24:51.200
  • the presence of God was there
  • 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.090
  • and the presence of God was
  • 00:24:53.090 --> 00:24:54.130
  • there because we were there, and
  • 00:24:54.130 --> 00:24:56.100
  • we, having Christ in us, the
  • 00:24:56.100 --> 00:24:58.090
  • hope of glory, the hope for
  • 00:24:58.090 --> 00:24:59.150
  • change, the hope, you know, for
  • 00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:01.190
  • her change and her deliverance,
  • 00:25:01.190 --> 00:25:03.100
  • was present.
  • 00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:04.240
  • And so, the enemy wanted to be
  • 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.020
  • nowhere near that, and so,
  • 00:25:06.020 --> 00:25:08.060
  • - Banning: And then there was
  • 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:11.220
  • Sammy.
  • 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:12.280
  • He was one of the many people
  • 00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:14.170
  • who came up to us wondering what
  • 00:25:14.170 --> 00:25:16.000
  • we were doing, and Robby was
  • 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:17.190
  • given the privilege
  • 00:25:17.190 --> 00:25:18.200
  • to pray for him.
  • 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.140
  • What happened next
  • 00:25:20.140 --> 00:25:21.100
  • - Robby: He came, and he was in
  • 00:25:24.100 --> 00:25:27.100
  • my line for prayer, and I asked
  • 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.240
  • him if I could pray for him, and
  • 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.060
  • he said, "Yeah."
  • 00:25:32.060 --> 00:25:33.020
  • And then he asked me the
  • 00:25:33.020 --> 00:25:34.010
  • question everybody was asking.
  • 00:25:34.010 --> 00:25:35.060
  • "Who's your medium?"
  • 00:25:35.060 --> 00:25:36.120
  • And I said, "Well, the Bible
  • 00:25:36.120 --> 00:25:38.150
  • says you can only go to the
  • 00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:40.090
  • Father through Jesus, and so
  • 00:25:40.090 --> 00:25:41.290
  • we're going through Jesus.
  • 00:25:41.290 --> 00:25:43.030
  • So, Jesus is our medium."
  • 00:25:43.030 --> 00:25:44.180
  • And he said, "That's cool."
  • 00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:47.130
  • And so, we started praying for
  • 00:25:47.130 --> 00:25:48.090
  • him, and I began to see this, a
  • 00:25:48.090 --> 00:25:51.060
  • lot of personal abuse, and to
  • 00:25:51.060 --> 00:25:54.000
  • protect his dignity, I won't go
  • 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.130
  • into the details, but just a lot
  • 00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:57.100
  • of things that were happening
  • 00:25:57.100 --> 00:25:58.180
  • personal in his life, and I
  • 00:25:58.180 --> 00:25:59.180
  • remember a woman coming over and
  • 00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:00.270
  • saying, "This has got to stop,"
  • 00:26:00.270 --> 00:26:02.270
  • and telling him, "Tell them to
  • 00:26:02.270 --> 00:26:04.290
  • stop this."
  • 00:26:04.290 --> 00:26:06.200
  • And he turned, and he looked at
  • 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.150
  • her, and she said,
  • 00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:09.280
  • "This is bad."
  • 00:26:09.280 --> 00:26:10.250
  • And she said, "They're from the
  • 00:26:10.250 --> 00:26:12.050
  • other side."
  • 00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:14.090
  • And he turned, and he looked at
  • 00:26:14.090 --> 00:26:15.200
  • her, and he said, "No, this is
  • 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.050
  • not bad.
  • 00:26:17.050 --> 00:26:18.030
  • This is good."
  • 00:26:18.030 --> 00:26:19.220
  • And he said, "The one who rides
  • 00:26:19.220 --> 00:26:21.060
  • the white horse and carries a
  • 00:26:21.060 --> 00:26:22.240
  • sword in his hand is driving
  • 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.180
  • dark figures from me, and this
  • 00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:27.170
  • is good," and immediately I knew
  • 00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:30.080
  • something very, very powerful
  • 00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:32.010
  • was happening.
  • 00:26:32.010 --> 00:26:33.070
  • I knew that he was going through
  • 00:26:33.070 --> 00:26:35.110
  • some real deliverance, and the
  • 00:26:35.110 --> 00:26:36.260
  • whole time, the only thing that
  • 00:26:36.260 --> 00:26:38.250
  • I was pronouncing over him was
  • 00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:41.120
  • the Father's embrace and the
  • 00:26:41.120 --> 00:26:43.190
  • Father loving him, which was the
  • 00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:45.260
  • exact opposite of what he had
  • 00:26:45.260 --> 00:26:47.140
  • experienced from these other
  • 00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:49.040
  • people that had been abusive to
  • 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:50.140
  • him, and he acknowledged that,
  • 00:26:50.140 --> 00:26:52.110
  • and he acknowledged who it was
  • 00:26:52.110 --> 00:26:53.160
  • that had been abusive, and that
  • 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.110
  • was actually the entrance to all
  • 00:26:55.110 --> 00:26:57.020
  • And I leaned down,
  • 00:26:59.060 --> 00:27:00.210
  • and I knelt down beside him.
  • 00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:01.250
  • I put my arm around him, and I
  • 00:27:01.250 --> 00:27:03.210
  • just heard him saying, "Jesus is
  • 00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.090
  • Lord.
  • 00:27:05.090 --> 00:27:06.120
  • Jesus is Lord.
  • 00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:07.190
  • I said, "Sammy do you want to
  • 00:27:10.100 --> 00:27:11.180
  • accept Christ into your life?"
  • 00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:13.100
  • And he turned, and he looked at
  • 00:27:13.100 --> 00:27:14.190
  • me with this huge smile, and he
  • 00:27:14.190 --> 00:27:16.180
  • - Darren: And as I stood there
  • 00:27:19.290 --> 00:27:21.040
  • watching this pure moment, where
  • 00:27:21.040 --> 00:27:22.280
  • a man, for the first time in his
  • 00:27:22.280 --> 00:27:24.220
  • life, comes face-to-face with
  • 00:27:24.220 --> 00:27:27.030
  • the furious love of the Father,
  • 00:27:27.030 --> 00:27:29.130
  • The war has brought us pain,
  • 00:27:33.070 --> 00:27:35.130
  • fear, and doubt and abuse, but
  • 00:27:38.070 --> 00:27:41.070
  • there's one who fights for us
  • 00:27:41.070 --> 00:27:43.050
  • still, one who stands against
  • 00:27:43.050 --> 00:27:45.100
  • the darkness,
  • 00:27:45.100 --> 00:27:46.190
  • he rides a white horse,
  • 00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:48.020
  • and carries a sword in his hand.
  • 00:27:48.020 --> 00:27:50.000
  • He is our defender, our God,
  • 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.260
  • - Banning: And I saw that when
  • 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.130
  • you encounter the full brunt
  • 00:28:12.130 --> 00:28:14.050
  • of the love of our Daddy,
  • 00:28:15.190 --> 00:28:18.190
  • when all falls away, you are
  • 00:28:18.190 --> 00:28:20.250
  • alone, and only love stands in
  • 00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:22.240
  • front of you.
  • 00:28:24.290 --> 00:28:27.290
  • You can do nothing else but bow
  • 00:28:27.290 --> 00:28:30.020
  • - Darren Wilson: Whether our
  • 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:43.040
  • choice is completely ours or
  • 00:28:43.040 --> 00:28:44.190
  • predetermined is not a question
  • 00:28:44.190 --> 00:28:46.110
  • we'll find an answer to anytime
  • 00:28:46.110 --> 00:28:47.160
  • soon, but maybe that question is
  • 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.000
  • ultimately beside the point.
  • 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.150
  • When I look at these stories,
  • 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:54.010
  • and I see the people
  • 00:28:54.010 --> 00:28:55.110
  • encountering a loving Father who
  • 00:28:55.110 --> 00:28:56.230
  • is offering a relationship with
  • 00:28:56.230 --> 00:28:58.200
  • him, even though they don't
  • 00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.220
  • deserve it and I realize that he
  • 00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:02.030
  • made the same offer to me when
  • 00:29:02.030 --> 00:29:03.250
  • I didn't deserve it,
  • 00:29:03.250 --> 00:29:05.130
  • the question changes a bit.
  • 00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:07.140
  • No longer is it, "Where does my
  • 00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:08.290
  • choice fit into all this?"
  • 00:29:08.290 --> 00:29:10.280
  • Instead, the bigger question is
  • 00:29:10.280 --> 00:29:12.110
  • why God would make us such an
  • 00:29:12.110 --> 00:29:14.090
  • offer at all.
  • 00:29:14.090 --> 00:29:16.000
  • The answer, of course, is
  • 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.050
  • because he is love, and it is
  • 00:29:17.050 --> 00:29:18.280
  • The only question left at that
  • 00:29:21.010 --> 00:29:22.100
  • point is whether or not we will
  • 00:29:22.100 --> 00:29:24.030
  • say yes to such a scandalous
  • 00:29:24.030 --> 00:29:26.000